Did D.O.s match less this year?

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I know at USC which in recent hx had a mix of DOs, this year said: "Thanks, but no thanks." I'm in an M.D. track but personally think it's wrong to shut the door on a whole group after that group in the past saved their asses from not filling. There most've been at least 100 DO students that rotated through USC anesthesiology this past year, played the politics, worked-their asses off only to get shot down and specifically put at the end of the list.

I'm just curious if there are numbers out that show the anesthesiology match-rate for DOs for recent years.

 

[Hockeyguy]

I know at USC which in recent hx had a mix of DOs, this year said: "Thanks, but no thanks." I'm in an M.D. track but personally think it's wrong to shut the door on a whole group after that group in the past saved their asses from not filling. There most've been at least 100 DO students that rotated through USC anesthesiology this past year, played the politics, worked-their asses off only to get shot down and specifically put at the end of the list.

I'm just curious if there are numbers out that show the anesthesiology match-rate for DOs for recent years.

How many MDs matched to any DO program - any DO residency at all not just Anesthesiology? Zero right? I don't feel too bad for a group that has there own match they won't let MDs participate in. I have nothing at all against DOs but don't feel sorry for them they have their own residencies. If they want to come to an allopthic residency fine but I don't feel bad for ones that get passed on they should easily be able to secure aspot at an osteopathic residency.

 

[hermione]

How many MDs matched to any DO program - any DO residency at all not just Anesthesiology? Zero right? I don't feel too bad for a group that has there own match they won't let MDs participate in. I have nothing at all against DOs but don't feel sorry for them they have their own residencies. If they want to come to an allopthic residency fine but I don't feel bad for ones that get passed on they should easily be able to secure aspot at an osteopathic residency.

Good in theory, except there are only 11 osteopathic anesthesia programs in the whole country. So it may not be as easy as you make it sound...

 

[OldManDave]

How many MDs matched to any DO program - any DO residency at all not just Anesthesiology? Zero right? I don't feel too bad for a group that has there own match they won't let MDs participate in. I have nothing at all against DOs but don't feel sorry for them they have their own residencies. If they want to come to an allopthic residency fine but I don't feel bad for ones that get passed on they should easily be able to secure aspot at an osteopathic residency.

First, Hermione is correct in that there is a severely limited number of gas programs in AOA post-grad training & they tend to be smaller, community-styled facilities, FWIW.

Second, I totally agree with you that it is a load of $hit that MDs are not allowed to participate in the AOA match. For that matter, the fact there is even two general matches (ACGME & AOA) is ludicrous. There should be a single general match & all slots, AOA & ACGME, available to all MD & DO graduates. Even more so, there should be a single accrediting body to ensure adequate quality across all sites.

 

[Idiopathic]

How many MDs matched to any DO program - any DO residency at all not just Anesthesiology? Zero right? I don't feel too bad for a group that has there own match they won't let MDs participate in. I have nothing at all against DOs but don't feel sorry for them they have their own residencies. If they want to come to an allopthic residency fine but I don't feel bad for ones that get passed on they should easily be able to secure aspot at an osteopathic residency.

Just find me the MD that would want anything more than a chance to cherrypick a derm, ent or ortho spot out of a DO residency. Im all for opening them up to MD's.

As far as DO's matching this year, it seems that we got squeezed out a little due to increased competitiveness from USMD's and FMG's, to a lesser extent. I know of some that matched, but I am the only one in my resident class and I didnt meet a single DO on the interview trail.

 

[hermione]

From the student-gathered match list from LECOM, there were four students who responded that matched in anesthesia, and all four were to MD programs. The list was not all-inclusive since not everyone in our class responded.

 

[Idiopathic]

From the student-gathered match list from LECOM, there were four students who responded that matched in anesthesia, and all four were to MD programs. The list was not all-inclusive since not everyone in our class responded.

My school had 6 that matched MD, 1 that matched DO and 1 that didnt match (out of 88 total in the class).

 

[Steel_City]

I do think that a significant number of the DO applicants this year got shut out. I personally didn't meet ANY on my interview trail. The ones that matched this year generally had pretty good numbers and ended up at traditionally-DO-friendly programs. I, personally, ended up with 12 interviews and ultimately matched high on my list with decent numbers so it can be done. I think the key is going the extra mile to first get the interview and then rock the interview. Many of the MD students I met along the trail were very reserved and didn't seem to "go for it" on interview day. I approached every interview as if I were trying to sell an '87 subaru to Donald Trump and it seemed to work. Only once did I get pushed in a corner on interview day for being a DO. It turned me off and I ended up ranking the program low despite getting great feedback from them. Really though, my numbers are decent but not exceptional and I matched into an MD spot, so it's not impossible by any stretch. Doing well on the USMLE definatley helps though.

I know one guy who is a DO and a complete tool-bag who matched at a program in Chicago. He dressed up in vests and bow ties for the first two years of med school, granted I do go to a school with a pretty/very strict dress code.

 

[hermione]

Oh lord...now I know where you go to school, and also EXACTLY who you're talking about...and all I can say is that when that match list came out...where he was going was one of the first things I checked. Thank god I'm not going anywhere near chicago!!!


Also...I didn't take usmle but think I would have gotten more interviews if I had...

 

[Just_Curious]

From the student-gathered match list from LECOM, there were four students who responded that matched in anesthesia, and all four were to MD programs. The list was not all-inclusive since not everyone in our class responded.

Where did Troy A. match? I think he wanted Buffalo or West PA. Any idea about where he's going?

 

[smgilles]

Oh lord...now I know where you go to school, and also EXACTLY who you're talking about...and all I can say is that when that match list came out...where he was going was one of the first things I checked. Thank god I'm not going anywhere near chicago!!!


Also...I didn't take usmle but think I would have gotten more interviews if I had...

Too funny...I am a not even in your class and I know who he is referring too.

 

[me454555]

Idio,

You're probably not meeting many DOs on the interview trail b/c its a numbers game. There are more than 10x the # of USMDs as DOs graduating every year and thats not even counting FMGs. If you go on an interview w/12 other people, you really wouldn't expect to see any other DOs. To make the numbers even worse, remember that half the DOs don't even apply to the allo match and that anesthesia is not the most natural field to align w/the "DO philosophy" cutting the # of DO applicants down even further.

I don't think its really a sign of the times that you didn't meet many DOs b/c most of the feedback from people I've talked to and those that post here on the forum are that its pretty similar for MDs and DOs. If you have good board scores, LORs, and grades you shouldn't have a problem matching whehter your an MD or DO

 

[Beck928]

As for AZCOM, the list isn't out yet, but I know for sure about 10 people, plus there's probably another 10 that I'm absolutely sure matched. For the ones who did match, several were at some of the top programs in the country (CCF, JH, UAB). So, we're still not too shabby!

 

[cubs3canes]

For that matter, the fact there is even two general matches (ACGME & AOA) is ludicrous. There should be a single general match & all slots, AOA & ACGME, available to all MD & DO graduates. Even more so, there should be a single accrediting body to ensure adequate quality across all sites.

This would never happen. I went to a DO school for two years and an MD school for two years...there is very little difference in the students and the quality of education. However, there is a huge difference in the administration. DO adminstrators want the be different. They are proud of being DOs (as they should be). They do not want to be MDs. The idea of combining the two accredidation bodies is ludicrous. What if a DO had a hearing for his/her license and it involved a performing a OMT technique, how could an MD panel be able to decide the outcome of this physician?

Theoretically an MD could not last in a DO residency. What would they do when they are asked to perform OMT? DO Attending: Excuse me, could you HVLA the lower thoracics of this patient. MD resident: What is HVLA?

I realize that not very many DOs actually use OMT, but they still had to learn it to pass the boards.

While the students, residents, and patients will never care about the difference (at least I hope), the DO governing bodies like the difference and like being separate. I really could care less, but it does sort of make sense to be separate.

Cubs

PS. I always have to say this. I transferred for Personal reasons. I am very proud of my DO education and I would not trade it in for anything. Do not question me on this because I guarantee you that my reasons are sound.

 

[Idiopathic]

I wish you were coming to Nashville, you POS.

 

[Hockeyguy]

Theoretically an MD could not last in a DO residency. What would they do when they are asked to perform OMT? DO Attending: Excuse me, could you HVLA the lower thoracics of this patient. MD resident: What is HVLA?

Ya becasue the DO radiologist and the DO anesthesiologist I have worked with are doing OMT everyday. Again if you are so proud of your OMT stuff why not stay in a DO residency that requires it? We won't - if its so special and makes you such a unique valuable doctor why not go somewhwere that uses it? Again no problem with DOs at all. The best Anesthesiologist at Denver Health is a DO - I have learned tons from him.

But the whole "we are so much more unique - you'll never understand how much better and diverse our education is" then put your money where your mouth is - support your DO degree and participate in your own residency!

MC

 

[Heeed!]

While the students, residents, and patients will never care about the difference (at least I hope), the DO governing bodies like the difference and like being separate.

Unfortunately, this is so true. The majority of students with whom I've interacted (MD and DO) don't care about any supposed differences. It's the old-school leadership that wants to maintain our "uniqueness." I prefer homogeny. Why can't we all just get along??!! 👍

 

[Heeed!]

But the whole "we are so much more unique - you'll never understand how much better and diverse our education is" then put your money where your mouth is - support your DO degree and participate in your own residency!

MC

Relax.

Who is telling you this stuff? I don't know any DOs that espouse this drivel, except the older ones who prefer to maintain the "uniqueness." And if DO residencies were open to MD applicants, maybe some allo grads would match into osteo programs. But don't hate the players who are trying to get an education...hate the game.

 

[Idiopathic]

Ya becasue the DO radiologist and the DO anesthesiologist I have worked with are doing OMT everyday. Again if you are so proud of your OMT stuff why not stay in a DO residency that requires it? We won't - if its so special and makes you such a unique valuable doctor why not go somewhwere that uses it? Again no problem with DOs at all. The best Anesthesiologist at Denver Health is a DO - I have learned tons from him.

But the whole "we are so much more unique - you'll never understand how much better and diverse our education is" then put your money where your mouth is - support your DO degree and participate in your own residency!

MC

Look, he said 'theoretically' and it was only about OMT and that an MD wouldnt know how to do it, based on med school curriculum. Certainly has nothing to do with you last paragraph. Lighten up.

 

[cubs3canes]

Ya becasue the DO radiologist and the DO anesthesiologist I have worked with are doing OMT everyday. Again if you are so proud of your OMT stuff why not stay in a DO residency that requires it? We won't - if its so special and makes you such a unique valuable doctor why not go somewhwere that uses it? Again no problem with DOs at all. The best Anesthesiologist at Denver Health is a DO - I have learned tons from him.

But the whole "we are so much more unique - you'll never understand how much better and diverse our education is" then put your money where your mouth is - support your DO degree and participate in your own residency!

MC

I am not a DO. I do not qualify for a DO residency.

 

[DrRobert]

I'm just curious if there are numbers out that show the anesthesiology match-rate for DOs for recent years.

The only way to tell the match rate would be for students from each DO school to list how many of their classmates applied for MD anesthesia and how many matched.

 

[Idiopathic]

The only way to tell the match rate would be for students from each DO school to list how many of their classmates applied for MD anesthesia and how many matched.

5/6 here (this year at least)

 

[cubs3canes]

5/6 here (this year at least)

My old school was 2MD and 1 DO residency. I have no idea what they ranked.

 

[James20062]

There were 10 or 11 from AZCOM.
http://mwunet.midwestern.edu/academic/AZCOM/Docs/azcom06Match.pdf

 

[KCOM2006]

KCOM had 7 students of the class of 2006 select anesthesia. Below is where they matched.

Allopathic
Case Western Reserve University (MetroHealth)
Johns Hopkins
Wayne State University
Medical College of Wisconsin
University of Washington

Millitary
Brooke Army Medical Center

Osteopathic
South Pointe Hospital

 

[Taus]

Don't have the data in front of me...but word is PCOM matched 12 into anesthesiology this year

 

[VentdependenT]

There were 10 or 11 from AZCOM.
http://mwunet.midwestern.edu/academic/AZCOM/Docs/azcom06Match.pdf

Solid anes match for the alma mater.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

Met a lot of those dudes(ettes) on the trail... Solid peeps. Solid.

 

[PCOM06]

Went on 11 interviews in the northeast, and there was at least one other DO at every one. I think it just depends on where you interview whether you'll see them, but the interviews are there for us.

I know of 11 PCOMers that matched, all of us allopathic.