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Interventional Pain Medicine saw the consequences. “Elective” became “unnecessary,” while pain, disability, opioid escalation, deconditioning, and loss of function became acceptable collateral damage. Independent offices and ASCs that could preserve care and hospital capacity were sidelined by blanket rules focused on a single endpoint. The lesson is not to reject science. It is to reject centralized certainty that erases competing risks and individualized judgment.

If experts can suspend necessary pain care without measuring the harm caused, is that public health or rationing suffering?
 
Actively suppressing dissent seems to be the most important issue. "I think the media can be a very positive influence by essentially holding people to task about the importance of high quality medical care. And when the media is scrutinizing you, then I think that's a very good, positive thing for the field of medicine." A.F.
 
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Actively suppressing dissent seems to be the most important issue. "I think the media can be a very positive influence by essentially holding people to task about the importance of high quality medical care. And when the media is scrutinizing you, then I think that's a very good, positive thing for the field of medicine." A.F.

What specific instance(s) of suppression bothers you the most?
 
My patient concealed from our screeners that he might have Covid. When we did our post procedure call a week later his wife told us he was in the hospital. A month later he died.
 
I think this sums it up well:
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What specific instance(s) of suppression bothers you the most?
"The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2" paper has been a central focus of congressional investigations, culminating in the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic's December 2024 final report which concluded that Dr. Anthony Fauci prompted the publication to suppress the lab-leak hypothesis. This exact phrase is featured prominently on official government channels, including updated messaging on the White House website and House Oversight Committee releases. [1, 2]

Findings From the Congressional Investigation
  • The February 2020 Conference Call: Investigators highlighted a February 1, 2020, conference call where evolutionary biologist Dr. Kristian Andersen voiced early concerns to Dr. Fauci that the virus might be engineered. According to committee findings, Dr. Fauci suggested drafting a paper on the virus's origins twice during that call, which ultimately "prompted" the authors to write the piece. [1, 2]
  • The Narrative Shift: Within days of the call, the authors shifted away from the lab-leak possibility. They drafted and later published "The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2" in Nature Medicine, which argued strongly against a laboratory origin. [1, 2, 3]
  • Public and Intelligence Citations: Dr. Fauci later cited this paper from the White House briefing podium to downplay the lab-leak theory without explicitly disclosing his role in suggesting its creation. The intelligence community also relied heavily on the publication in the early months of the pandemic to guide its initial assessments. [1, 2]
 
What specific instance(s) of suppression bothers you the most?
The biggest beef most people have Fauci, well there are lots as he caused significant harm, is he directly funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of virology, pouring millions of dollars, our tax dollars, into this dangerous research. The lab had very little oversight and poor quality control measures, which resulted in a lab leak ultimately killing millions of people. Fauci understandably wanted a distance himself from this and did everything in his power to cover up, obfuscate and frankly lie about his involvement and the resulting lab leak. He’s complicit in the death of millions of people. That’s my problem with him
 
This does not prove Fauci is to blame for anything but I find it fascinating in light of what (maybe) later happened.

Dr. Anthony Fauci co-authored a 2012 policy discussion paper published in mBio (American Society for Microbiology) titled "Research on Highly Pathogenic H5N1 Influenza Virus" that addressed the benefits and risks of gain-of-function experiments involving the modification of viruses. [1, 2]

The 2012 Article Details
    • Publication Date: October 9, 2012 (in mBio) [1, 2]
    • Co-authors: Anthony S. Fauci, along with other health officials/colleagues. [1, 2]
    • Core Subject: Discussed the temporary moratorium on certain gain-of-function (GoF) studies that make avian influenza (H5N1) more transmissible or virulent. [1, 2, 3]
    • Stance in Paper: Argued that the potential benefits of understanding pathogen evolution and preparing for pandemics outweighed the inherent biosecurity and biosafety risks, provided strong oversight measures were implemented. [1, 2]
 
I will say this much though. I think the anger the Republicans have towards Fauci and the way COVID led towards Trump losing to Biden is directly responsible for all the attacks on academia and the systemic dismantling of the CDC, FDA, NIH, etc etc to replace intellect with boot-licking. It’s why we have to deal with WISer and all the painful Medicare cuts coming our way.
 
This does not prove Fauci is to blame for anything but I find it fascinating in light of what (maybe) later happened.

Dr. Anthony Fauci co-authored a 2012 policy discussion paper published in mBio (American Society for Microbiology) titled "Research on Highly Pathogenic H5N1 Influenza Virus" that addressed the benefits and risks of gain-of-function experiments involving the modification of viruses. [1, 2]

The 2012 Article Details
    • Publication Date: October 9, 2012 (in mBio) [1, 2]
    • Co-authors: Anthony S. Fauci, along with other health officials/colleagues. [1, 2]
    • Core Subject: Discussed the temporary moratorium on certain gain-of-function (GoF) studies that make avian influenza (H5N1) more transmissible or virulent. [1, 2, 3]
    • Stance in Paper: Argued that the potential benefits of understanding pathogen evolution and preparing for pandemics outweighed the inherent biosecurity and biosafety risks, provided strong oversight measures were implemented. [1, 2]
Fauci repeatedly said in his journal entries that the potential benefits of gain of function research outweighed the inherent biosecurity and biosafety risks. Unfortunately, internal investigations showed strong oversight measures were not implemented in Wuhan

 
I will say this much though. I think the anger the Republicans have towards Fauci and the way COVID led towards Trump losing to Biden is directly responsible for all the attacks on academia and the systemic dismantling of the CDC, FDA, NIH, etc etc to replace intellect with boot-licking. It’s why we have to deal with WISer and all the painful Medicare cuts coming our way.
The Guv is broke. Every USA citizen has over 100K share of federal debt. Both parties are unable to affect any of this because each party is constrained by the other party. The Right wants to cut expenses, the Left wants to raise taxes. The last president to figure out a way to balance the budget was Clinton. My solution is for the Guv to raise taxes each year to cover the previous year's spending (or lower taxes if there was a surplus). Make the taxpayers feel the pain of unbalanced Guv spending. Trump is trying to cut spending. The USA devotes 8% more GDP to healthcare (20%) than the closest nation (Germany at about 12% of GDP). The Dem solution is universal healthcare which means mandatory rationing to control costs which is probably inevitable unless spending is controlled.. Which is worse, Trump decimating federal programs or mandatory single payer rationing of health care. Pick one.
 
Our strong federal programs were part of what made living in America great for the average person. What cost savings did we make by replacing top leadership with unqualified *****s?
 
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Our strong federal programs were part of what made living in America great for the average person. What cost savings did we make by replacing top leadership with unqualified *****s?
They’re also what bankrupted us to the tune of 38T
 
The Guv is broke. Every USA citizen has over 100K share of federal debt. Both parties are unable to affect any of this because each party is constrained by the other party. The Right wants to cut expenses, the Left wants to raise taxes. The last president to figure out a way to balance the budget was Clinton. My solution is for the Guv to raise taxes each year to cover the previous year's spending (or lower taxes if there was a surplus). Make the taxpayers feel the pain of unbalanced Guv spending. Trump is trying to cut spending. The USA devotes 8% more GDP to healthcare (20%) than the closest nation (Germany at about 12% of GDP). The Dem solution is universal healthcare which means mandatory rationing to control costs which is probably inevitable unless spending is controlled.. Which is worse, Trump decimating federal programs or mandatory single payer rationing of health care. Pick one.
I like that idea. I also like what Buffet said

"You just pass a law that says that any time there's a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election,"
 
My patient concealed from our screeners that he might have Covid. When we did our post procedure call a week later his wife told us he was in the hospital. A month later he died.
Patients conceal things from us a lot.
They’re also what bankrupted us to the tune of 38T
And yet we find ourselves in Iran spending more money and using up all of our missiles.

Russia and China are popping popcorn and watching
 
I like that idea. I also like what Buffet said

"You just pass a law that says that any time there's a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election,"
Exactly...

If Congress was punished financially or by being unable to run a lot if not all of our problems would be solved.
 
The biggest beef most people have Fauci, well there are lots as he caused significant harm, is he directly funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of virology, pouring millions of dollars, our tax dollars, into this dangerous research. The lab had very little oversight and poor quality control measures, which resulted in a lab leak ultimately killing millions of people. Fauci understandably wanted a distance himself from this and did everything in his power to cover up, obfuscate and frankly lie about his involvement and the resulting lab leak. He’s complicit in the death of millions of people. That’s my problem with him
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What specific instance(s) of suppression bothers you the most?
The long term negative ramifications of his actions are still being felt today @Agast . 𝗠𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗹𝗲𝘀 𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘂𝗽 𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗽𝗹𝘆: Canada, the U.K., Spain, the U.S. and other countries lost their measles-free status last year. Cases are at a 35-year high in the U.S. Why? Several reasons.

Vaccination rates were falling before Covid, but between 2020 and 2022, vaccinations plummeted. The share of 2-year-olds in Canada with at least one measles dose dropped from about 90% in 2019 to about 82% in 2022 and 2023. That's below the roughly 95% threshold epidemiologists say is needed for herd immunity.

Kathryn H. Jacobsen, a global health epidemiologist and professor at the University of Richmond in Virginia, explains that routine childhood immunization visits got disrupted or deprioritized during lockdowns.

During the pandemic, with lockdowns and health systems experiencing additional strain, many children did not receive their routine vaccinations on time. Jacobsen says some children still aren’t up to date on their vaccinations, which “creates an environment where measles can spread even among parents who want to vaccinate their kids on time.”

In addition, Jacobsen says that the way vaccines were rolled out during the pandemic – notably the accelerated timeframe to develop the vaccines – led to widespread hesitancy regarding vaccine safety.

Parents were told by Dr. Fauci to mask their young children and vaccinate them, even though everyone knew by early fall that children weren't particularly affected, and many schools, as well as day cares, in red states were open for business as usual.

Parents were told masks weren't effective. Then all masks were effective. Then only N95s were effective. Some poor kids wore the same dirty cloth mask on their face for days at a time, because it was "policy."

Natural immunity from past infection in kids was written off as "not real," while the fast-tracked vaccine was pushed as the only real protection.

In 2022 a CDC estimate found 86.8% of 0–4 year-olds, 93.5% of 5–11 year-olds, and 93% of 12–17 year-olds had prior-infection antibodies.

Yet Fauci wanted every kid to have the vaccine for "real" immunity. (Initially the vaccine was only offered to 16+, then 12+, then 5+ and by mid-2022, the recommendation was for 6 mos+.)

Everyone who's ever had a flu shot knows it's not even close to being 100% effective, and often not effective at all.

People suspected they were being lied to.

Then in 2022 CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said the vaccine 𝘄𝗮𝘀𝗻'𝘁 𝗲𝗳𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗮𝘁 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗶𝗻 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘀𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻. And this month we learned that Walensky was pressured by Fauci into "softening" her statement. We also learned that the six-foot rule was made up.

Parents knew they were absolutely lied to.

Fauci encouraged the lockdowns that led to a two-year gap in childhood vaccinations.

He then accelerated the environment in which parents are doubting the efficacy of childhood vaccinations.

And he absolutely created the environment in which many will never trust public health officials again.

That's a lot of damage for one person.

I suspect he would do a lot of things differently if he could have a do-over. I believe he's a very intelligent man, and while he's hurt and angry at his treatment, he understands why others are so hurt, angry and frustrated with him.

On May 22, 2020, on CNBC, he warned that staying closed too long risked "irreparable damage," including unintended consequences for health, and gave that as the reason the reopening guidelines were being issued in the first place. He's already said several times that keeping schools closed for over a year was wrong, and besides, that blame should be placed squarely on teachers' unions and their blue state governor enablers.

By late May 2020, the Democrats were already three months into weaponizing Covid as a campaign issue against Trump, and Fauci was their darling. If he had tried to tell the truth that it was time to end restrictions, he would have been punished mercilessly, and he loved the attention and fame too much to risk that.

 
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Ok, anyone who actually has kids knows that the reason people don’t want to vaccinate their kids is because they think it will make them autistic or “vaccine injured”

Now, I wonder what influential people out there are trying to convince parents that it’s true 🤔
 
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Ok, anyone who actually has kids knows that the reason people don’t want to vaccinate their kids is because they think it will make them autistic or “vaccine injured”

Now, I wonder what influential people out there are trying to convince parents that it’s true 🤔
That’s a strawman. Fortunately we’re maybe starting to figure out what’s really behind the radical surge in autism cases

 
That’s a strawman. Fortunately we’re maybe starting to figure out what’s really behind the radical surge in autism cases

Just like any of these population studies, they raise questions but don’t answer them because they generally lack the ability to discriminate between the reason the med was prescribed and the med itself. Not criticizing the research, just that you shouldn’t be putting it out there as actually figuring anything out. Several of those drugs are associated with conditions linked to conditions that cause or are linked to systemic inflammation, which does alter microglial function and synaptic pruning during development.

Also, how is that a strawman argument? RFK Jr has consistently pushed an anti vaccine narrative and done almost everything he can to increase vaccine hesitancy.
 


he invoked the fifth because this is nothing abut a witch hunt. him talking is not going to do him any good when paul already says hhis goal is to put fauci in jail. thats why his lawyers advised him to not answer any questions. He did the best he could with the info he was given. I mean this guy literally co-authored the book on medicine (Harrisons). DO you really think his goal after studying viruses for 50 years was to force you to wear a mask so he can control you? come on dude give me a break.
 
They’re also what bankrupted us to the tune of 38T

The math is out there. Estimated ~40% of that is due to tax cuts under the last two republication presidents and covid stimulus.

Social security, Medicare, and military make the debt. Everything else is just peanuts. That's why DOGE served no useful purpose and just pissed people off.

By most reasonable accounts, DOGE probably cost us more than it saved. Not a shocker that MAGA has gone quiet about them.
 
"The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2" paper has been a central focus of congressional investigations, culminating in the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic's December 2024 final report which concluded that Dr. Anthony Fauci prompted the publication to suppress the lab-leak hypothesis. This exact phrase is featured prominently on official government channels, including updated messaging on the White House website and House Oversight Committee releases. [1, 2]

Findings From the Congressional Investigation
  • The February 2020 Conference Call: Investigators highlighted a February 1, 2020, conference call where evolutionary biologist Dr. Kristian Andersen voiced early concerns to Dr. Fauci that the virus might be engineered. According to committee findings, Dr. Fauci suggested drafting a paper on the virus's origins twice during that call, which ultimately "prompted" the authors to write the piece. [1, 2]
  • The Narrative Shift: Within days of the call, the authors shifted away from the lab-leak possibility. They drafted and later published "The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2" in Nature Medicine, which argued strongly against a laboratory origin. [1, 2, 3]
  • Public and Intelligence Citations: Dr. Fauci later cited this paper from the White House briefing podium to downplay the lab-leak theory without explicitly disclosing his role in suggesting its creation. The intelligence community also relied heavily on the publication in the early months of the pandemic to guide its initial assessments. [1, 2]

The long term negative ramifications of his actions are still being felt today @Agast . 𝗠𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗹𝗲𝘀 𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘂𝗽 𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗽𝗹𝘆: Canada, the U.K., Spain, the U.S. and other countries lost their measles-free status last year. Cases are at a 35-year high in the U.S. Why? Several reasons.

Vaccination rates were falling before Covid, but between 2020 and 2022, vaccinations plummeted. The share of 2-year-olds in Canada with at least one measles dose dropped from about 90% in 2019 to about 82% in 2022 and 2023. That's below the roughly 95% threshold epidemiologists say is needed for herd immunity.

Kathryn H. Jacobsen, a global health epidemiologist and professor at the University of Richmond in Virginia, explains that routine childhood immunization visits got disrupted or deprioritized during lockdowns.

During the pandemic, with lockdowns and health systems experiencing additional strain, many children did not receive their routine vaccinations on time. Jacobsen says some children still aren’t up to date on their vaccinations, which “creates an environment where measles can spread even among parents who want to vaccinate their kids on time.”

In addition, Jacobsen says that the way vaccines were rolled out during the pandemic – notably the accelerated timeframe to develop the vaccines – led to widespread hesitancy regarding vaccine safety.

Parents were told by Dr. Fauci to mask their young children and vaccinate them, even though everyone knew by early fall that children weren't particularly affected, and many schools, as well as day cares, in red states were open for business as usual.

Parents were told masks weren't effective. Then all masks were effective. Then only N95s were effective. Some poor kids wore the same dirty cloth mask on their face for days at a time, because it was "policy."

Natural immunity from past infection in kids was written off as "not real," while the fast-tracked vaccine was pushed as the only real protection.

In 2022 a CDC estimate found 86.8% of 0–4 year-olds, 93.5% of 5–11 year-olds, and 93% of 12–17 year-olds had prior-infection antibodies.

Yet Fauci wanted every kid to have the vaccine for "real" immunity. (Initially the vaccine was only offered to 16+, then 12+, then 5+ and by mid-2022, the recommendation was for 6 mos+.)

Everyone who's ever had a flu shot knows it's not even close to being 100% effective, and often not effective at all.

People suspected they were being lied to.

Then in 2022 CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said the vaccine 𝘄𝗮𝘀𝗻'𝘁 𝗲𝗳𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗮𝘁 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗶𝗻 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘀𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻. And this month we learned that Walensky was pressured by Fauci into "softening" her statement. We also learned that the six-foot rule was made up.

Parents knew they were absolutely lied to.

Fauci encouraged the lockdowns that led to a two-year gap in childhood vaccinations.

He then accelerated the environment in which parents are doubting the efficacy of childhood vaccinations.

And he absolutely created the environment in which many will never trust public health officials again.

That's a lot of damage for one person.

I suspect he would do a lot of things differently if he could have a do-over. I believe he's a very intelligent man, and while he's hurt and angry at his treatment, he understands why others are so hurt, angry and frustrated with him.

On May 22, 2020, on CNBC, he warned that staying closed too long risked "irreparable damage," including unintended consequences for health, and gave that as the reason the reopening guidelines were being issued in the first place. He's already said several times that keeping schools closed for over a year was wrong, and besides, that blame should be placed squarely on teachers' unions and their blue state governor enablers.

By late May 2020, the Democrats were already three months into weaponizing Covid as a campaign issue against Trump, and Fauci was their darling. If he had tried to tell the truth that it was time to end restrictions, he would have been punished mercilessly, and he loved the attention and fame too much to risk that.


Perhaps the most idiotic error in the covid response was their initial messaging on masks. It didn't even come close to passing the face-validity test.

Fauci isn't perfect and made mistakes. Trump too. But, when I put myself in their shoes in early 2020 in the face of a looming pandemic of which nobody had a clear understanding of the potential magnitude ...IMHO they deserve some grace comes to Monday morning quarterbacking on this one. Everybody is a genius in hindsight. Though it is ironic that we now have some of the most unserious and incompetent public health leaders currently holding power in DC who refuse to utilize the benefit of hindsight when it comes to public health messaging, vaccine science, physician reimbursement, etc.
 
The long term negative ramifications of his actions are still being felt today @Agast . 𝗠𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗹𝗲𝘀 𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘂𝗽 𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗽𝗹𝘆: Canada, the U.K., Spain, the U.S. and other countries lost their measles-free status last year. Cases are at a 35-year high in the U.S. Why? Several reasons.

Vaccination rates were falling before Covid, but between 2020 and 2022, vaccinations plummeted. The share of 2-year-olds in Canada with at least one measles dose dropped from about 90% in 2019 to about 82% in 2022 and 2023. That's below the roughly 95% threshold epidemiologists say is needed for herd immunity.

Kathryn H. Jacobsen, a global health epidemiologist and professor at the University of Richmond in Virginia, explains that routine childhood immunization visits got disrupted or deprioritized during lockdowns.

During the pandemic, with lockdowns and health systems experiencing additional strain, many children did not receive their routine vaccinations on time. Jacobsen says some children still aren’t up to date on their vaccinations, which “creates an environment where measles can spread even among parents who want to vaccinate their kids on time.”

In addition, Jacobsen says that the way vaccines were rolled out during the pandemic – notably the accelerated timeframe to develop the vaccines – led to widespread hesitancy regarding vaccine safety.

Parents were told by Dr. Fauci to mask their young children and vaccinate them, even though everyone knew by early fall that children weren't particularly affected, and many schools, as well as day cares, in red states were open for business as usual.

Parents were told masks weren't effective. Then all masks were effective. Then only N95s were effective. Some poor kids wore the same dirty cloth mask on their face for days at a time, because it was "policy."

Natural immunity from past infection in kids was written off as "not real," while the fast-tracked vaccine was pushed as the only real protection.

In 2022 a CDC estimate found 86.8% of 0–4 year-olds, 93.5% of 5–11 year-olds, and 93% of 12–17 year-olds had prior-infection antibodies.

Yet Fauci wanted every kid to have the vaccine for "real" immunity. (Initially the vaccine was only offered to 16+, then 12+, then 5+ and by mid-2022, the recommendation was for 6 mos+.)

Everyone who's ever had a flu shot knows it's not even close to being 100% effective, and often not effective at all.

People suspected they were being lied to.

Then in 2022 CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said the vaccine 𝘄𝗮𝘀𝗻'𝘁 𝗲𝗳𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗮𝘁 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗶𝗻 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘀𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻. And this month we learned that Walensky was pressured by Fauci into "softening" her statement. We also learned that the six-foot rule was made up.

Parents knew they were absolutely lied to.

Fauci encouraged the lockdowns that led to a two-year gap in childhood vaccinations.

He then accelerated the environment in which parents are doubting the efficacy of childhood vaccinations.

And he absolutely created the environment in which many will never trust public health officials again.

That's a lot of damage for one person.

I suspect he would do a lot of things differently if he could have a do-over. I believe he's a very intelligent man, and while he's hurt and angry at his treatment, he understands why others are so hurt, angry and frustrated with him.

On May 22, 2020, on CNBC, he warned that staying closed too long risked "irreparable damage," including unintended consequences for health, and gave that as the reason the reopening guidelines were being issued in the first place. He's already said several times that keeping schools closed for over a year was wrong, and besides, that blame should be placed squarely on teachers' unions and their blue state governor enablers.

By late May 2020, the Democrats were already three months into weaponizing Covid as a campaign issue against Trump, and Fauci was their darling. If he had tried to tell the truth that it was time to end restrictions, he would have been punished mercilessly, and he loved the attention and fame too much to risk that.

There is a lot of nonsense on this site but this solilioquy is unquestionably the most uneducated, slanted, nonsense that has ever been posted.

The sad thing is that its coming from a physician. You are better than this.
 
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And then there’s this

a case report only suggests the need for further study because is just 1 case report out of billions who received the vaccine. surveillance data have more strongly suggested improved overall mortality in those who have been vaccinated.

of note, she had leukopenia on her blood tests in april 2021 before she got her first dose of Cominraty vaccine June 2021, and no symptoms until after her second dose in July 2021.
 
your president invoked it 400+ times.

That’s a strawman. Fortunately we’re maybe starting to figure out what’s really behind the radical surge in autism cases

you know what else has increased concurrently with rates of autism?

data centers.

new car prices.

people playing World of Warcraft.


therefore, according to supposed logic, autism must be caused by people buying new cars who are playing World of Warcraft in them.
The long term negative ramifications of his actions are still being felt today @Agast . 𝗠𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗹𝗲𝘀 𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘂𝗽 𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗽𝗹𝘆: Canada, the U.K., Spain, the U.S. and other countries lost their measles-free status last year. Cases are at a 35-year high in the U.S. Why? Several reasons.

Vaccination rates were falling before Covid, but between 2020 and 2022, vaccinations plummeted. The share of 2-year-olds in Canada with at least one measles dose dropped from about 90% in 2019 to about 82% in 2022 and 2023. That's below the roughly 95% threshold epidemiologists say is needed for herd immunity.
causation is not correlation.

yes, the reason vaccination rates went down during covid is because doctors were a little too busy treating covid and patients parents were not going to the offices for routine treatment.


but why are kids not being vaccinated now?

the lies told by the wellness community and the right wing of the political spectrum are the most damaging aspect and those - including those parrotted on this forum - has lead to measles vaccination hesitation irrespective of covid vaccination.




FWIW, this is from the article you posted:

In a highly connected world, an infectious disease such as measles does not stop at the community level. As Mazzulli points out, changes to U.S. public health leadership, including weakened capacity at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), also have implications for Canada. Any increased measles activity south of the border poses a direct risk due to frequent cross-border travel, he notes.

He adds that the CDC historically played a central role in tracking global measles cases and identifying outbreak hotspots, meaning that diminished global surveillance undermines early warning systems and increases the likelihood that outbreaks will spread undetected. In Canada, surveillance of measles remains strong, says Mazzulli.

PAHO has recommended, however, that Canada strengthen vaccine coverage in areas with low uptake and improve data collection to better identify high-risk pockets, says Galanis. Enhanced monitoring of suspected cases based on clinical presentation or travel history, rather than laboratory confirmation alone, is also critical.

Ultimately, even the strongest surveillance systems cannot compensate if gaps in vaccine coverage continue to grow.
ie the need for more measles vaccination not less.
 
The local mom groups have posts full of moms looking for “Good Pediatricians” who don’t require vaccinations. They basically can pick between one family medicine group and a bevy of nurse practitioners.
 
Tell us more about your beef with Trump/Fauci’s response to Covid and how, a priori, you would have done it perfectly?
Should have:

Locked down those who were at high risk, letting low risk groups develop herd immunity while keeping the economy going.

Determined the At-Risk groups with ACTUAL evidence, not BS hand waving.

Modulated lock downs based on local hospital bed/medical resource availability.

Kept schools open, smfh... what a tragedy...

Never forced or coerced people into getting a medical treatment. Period.

Explored alternative/adjuvant therapies, and fast tracked research pertaining to them.

NEVER censored discourse and disagreement.

Never lied to congress and the public (over embellishing the vaccine's efficacy, underplaying its side effect profile, while also over embellishing the mortality of the virus)

Never made **** up regarding masks, social distancing, lock downs, etc....

Only implemented forced policies when actual evidence existed.

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This db when from "I am the science" to "I plead the 5th." Foolish Americans and foolish doctors learned a lesson.
 
Ok, anyone who actually has kids knows that the reason people don’t want to vaccinate their kids is because they think it will make them autistic or “vaccine injured”

Now, I wonder what influential people out there are trying to convince parents that it’s true 🤔
The main concern is autoimmunity, and the unknown long term risk of vaccine preservative exposure, and immunomodulation.

Why exactly do you think pharma has legal immunity against vaccine related side effects? Why were so many in the industry requiring immunity before agreeing to continue developing vaccines? Reagan signed this into law in 1986.
 
Should have:

Locked down those who were at high risk, letting low risk groups develop herd immunity while keeping the economy going.

Determined the At-Risk groups with ACTUAL evidence, not BS hand waving.

Modulated lock downs based on local hospital bed/medical resource availability.

Kept schools open, smfh... what a tragedy...

Never forced or coerced people into getting a medical treatment. Period.

Explored alternative/adjuvant therapies, and fast tracked research pertaining to them.

NEVER censored discourse and disagreement.

Never lied to congress and the public (over embellishing the vaccine's efficacy, underplaying its side effect profile, while also over embellishing the mortality of the virus)

Never made **** up regarding masks, social distancing, lock downs, etc....

Only implemented forced policies when actual evidence existed.

_________

This db when from "I am the science" to "I plead the 5th." Foolish Americans and foolish doctors learned a lesson.

Some of these things, which I’ve already said, I of course agree with. Other are obtusely impractical in a data-light yet high-stakes rapidly evolving environment where there were seldom “obviously good” decisions...only decisions that probably seemed like the least bad option.

People on here who clutch their all-powerful retrospectoscopes—and their pearls—should work solo shifts in an rural emergency department for a year or two and then come back and regale us about what they’ve learned about the power of hindsight after having to make plenty of hard decisions with limited information.
 
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Some of these things, which I’ve already said, I of course agree with. Other are obtusely impractical in a data-light yet high-stakes rapidly evolving environment where there were seldom “obviously good” decisions...only decisions that probably seemed like the least bad option.

People on here who clutch their all-powerful retrospectoscopes—and their pearls—should work solo shifts in an rural emergency department for a year or two and then come back and regale us about what they’ve learned about the power of hindsight after having to make plenty of hard decisions with limited information.
Agree 100 percent

Public health is not the enemy in these situations. Too many people are selfish and dont care about their fellow American.

The thing that should have people outraged is the obscenely large number of fellow Americans who died during the COVID pandemic. For a country with our wealth and resources, it is total a failure.

We had the most COVID deaths in the world and we were a full 500K cases more than second. We are the only country in the world with over 1 million COVID deaths. Why aren't we talking about this?
 
The main concern is autoimmunity, and the unknown long term risk of vaccine preservative exposure, and immunomodulation.

Why exactly do you think pharma has legal immunity against vaccine related side effects? Why were so many in the industry requiring immunity before agreeing to continue developing vaccines? Reagan signed this into law in 1986.
You can choose vaccine risks or you can choose the disease.

The data is not even close on which one is more dangerous.
 
Agree 100 percent

Public health is not the enemy in these situations. Too many people are selfish and dont care about their fellow American.

The thing that should have people outraged is the obscenely large number of fellow Americans who died during the COVID pandemic. For a country with our wealth and resources, it is total a failure.

We had the most COVID deaths in the world and we were a full 500K cases more than second. We are the only country in the world with over 1 million COVID deaths. Why aren't we talking about this?
Because, freedom. We don't exactly have a homogenous, compliant population. Also, a death rate or % of population is probably a lot more objective number to compare.
 
hindsight is 100%.

initial published reports based on best available data at the time suggested 2.2 million deaths from covid.

there ended up being 1.1 million dead. part of the difference is due to interventions - such as vaccines, masking, social distancing.

here is an interesting graph looking at case fatality rates and implementation of public policy measures.

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notice the drop in case fatality rate after point b - when masking was put in place.

notice the drop in case fatality rate after point d - when covid vaccination started.
 
Because, freedom. We don't exactly have a homogenous, compliant population. Also, a death rate or % of population is probably a lot more objective number to compare.
from wikipedia, the US was 16h in deaths per million.

the problem with this data is that certain countries did not report or test sufficiently, so diagnosis numbers can be markedly inaccurate (India is a good example)


comparing the US to other countries, on this list, the US is tops (ie worst) at 16th in terms of deaths per million.

UK 19
Italy 21
Belgium 29
EU 32
Sweden 33
France 40
Spain 42
Germany 57
Finland 58
Canada 87

countries worse than the US based on these numbers? Peru, Bulgaria, Hungary, North Macedonia, Croatia, Montenegro....

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the US had the most deaths as an individual country; it was similar to the entire EU in terms of total deaths.

but there are 338 million americans vs 452 million EU citizens

deaths per million population was worse for the US (3626) vs EU (2832)

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The local mom groups have posts full of moms looking for “Good Pediatricians” who don’t require vaccinations. They basically can pick between one family medicine group and a bevy of nurse practitioners.

Always fun to look at these practices history and forward the juicy bits into the chat - state board actions, specialty board actions, terminated for cause, loss of academic position, med mal claims, etc.
 
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That’s a strawman. Fortunately we’re maybe starting to figure out what’s really behind the radical surge in autism cases

So statins are pretty much contraindicated in pregnancy and have been as long as I've been in medicine (21 years now, but who is counting). They were Category X before we did away with the Category system.

Beta-blockers are definitely not preferred in pregnancy. Outside of arrhythmias and heart failure, they are not something that really get used.

The mental health stuff is a little different as we know that untreated psychiatric conditions during pregnancy can have catastrophic outcomes, and no one is giving out anti-psychotics without a damned good reason in pregnant patients in any case.

Its definitely worth more study though and why most of us who deal with pregnant women follow the old mantra of "the fewer medications you take the better" with the caveat of "without sacrificing your own health".
 
Huh? The primary outpatient patient treatment for hypertension during pregnancy is literally labetalol
Anecdotally, I'm seeing much more nifedipine these days and statements from the cardiologist and the OBGYNs say that labetalol and nifedipine are both first line options.

But I treat labetalol and carvedilol slightly differently from other beta blockers due to the alpha activity. Whether that has any pregnancy impact, I do not know but it definitely has a different side effect profile in adults.

You are correct however. That said, labetalol is the only beta blocker that I looked up which included the three mentioned in this study (The fourth being atenolol) that didn't have a warning that beta blockers were not the preferred choice in pregnancy. So there's something about labetalol that makes it different from most of the other commonly used beta blockers.
 
The Guv is broke. Every USA citizen has over 100K share of federal debt. Both parties are unable to affect any of this because each party is constrained by the other party. The Right wants to cut expenses, the Left wants to raise taxes. The last president to figure out a way to balance the budget was Clinton. My solution is for the Guv to raise taxes each year to cover the previous year's spending (or lower taxes if there was a surplus). Make the taxpayers feel the pain of unbalanced Guv spending. Trump is trying to cut spending. The USA devotes 8% more GDP to healthcare (20%) than the closest nation (Germany at about 12% of GDP). The Dem solution is universal healthcare which means mandatory rationing to control costs which is probably inevitable unless spending is controlled.. Which is worse, Trump decimating federal programs or mandatory single payer rationing of health care. Pick one.

Honestly, I just want the system to ride along as it is now long enough for me to pay everything off, build a large nest egg, and know that I’ll be ok. And even if the whole “American experiment” fails at that point, I can decamp to some country in Asia or Europe or whatever and live as an expat.

Not even joking.

I have put up with so much in the way of blood, sweat, tears and bull**** in this profession. There is no way that I’m ok with having my pay slashed after all I’ve put into this. America is broken beyond belief - I get it - and it may not even be repairable. I’m not ok with the fix being something that personally ****s me over. I’m in full “get mine” mode at this point, and I think most doctors should be.
 
The local mom groups have posts full of moms looking for “Good Pediatricians” who don’t require vaccinations. They basically can pick between one family medicine group and a bevy of nurse practitioners.
They may not have to look very far as Trump uses his scientific expertise to slash vaccines:


AAP doesn't seem to agree with him. Maybe they will be indicted in Congress like Fauci: