Dilemma: Acceptance/deposit/decline

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So here is my dilemma. I was told that we have to deposit about close to $2,000 within one month of acceptance letter, but I want to weigh all options before I get to finalize on my decision. For example, I received the secondary from Touro-NY and have yet to complete. The reason being that I have yet to receive secondary from NYCOM, which is higher on my list since it is closer to my hometown. So I cannot just submit the Touro-NY secondary which equates to an interview offer, and which subsequently might lead to an accpetance, and a deposite.

I can't just pay for a deposit to a school that I may never attend. I also applied to many allopathic schools as well. Does anyone know if there is a way to avoid the problem? Should I apply Osteopathic schools in November and December? but my chance would decrease due to rolling admission and I can't afford to lose another year. Any thought would be greatly appreciated
 
Most DO schools follow the trafficking guidelines suggested by AACOMAS. That is, a deposit isn't due until 12/15. If I were you, I'd apply DO like you did, but not apply to TUCOM. Your stats are great, so not applying to TUCOM probably won't hurt you in the end.
 
Apply to all schools you would go to ASAP. Just because you have an interview doesn't mean you will get accepted (you could be rejected or waitlisted). Furthermore, just because you get 1 interview at school X, does not mean any other school will give you an interview.

If everyone knew they were going to be at their #1-2 choice, why would people apply to 20 schools?
 
Apply to all schools you would go to ASAP. Just because you have an interview doesn't mean you will get accepted (you could be rejected or waitlisted). Furthermore, just because you get 1 interview at school X, does not mean any other school will give you an interview.

If everyone knew they were going to be at their #1-2 choice, why would people apply to 20 schools?


I agree with this completely. I went into the application cycle last year with a 3.6/31 and NYCOM (one of my top picks) still didn't give me an interview. OP, your GPA is about the same as mine and your MCAT score is a bit lower, so I wouldn't consider an NYCOM interview to be a sure thing. Furthermore, are NYCOM and TUCOM the only two osteopathic schools you applied to? If so, I would certainly consider applying to more. This year's admissions cycle is certain to be more competitive than ever, and you might find that getting allopathic interviews with your MCAT score is a bit challenging. Overall, I would definitely complete the TUCOM secondary, apply to more osteopathic schools, and possibly consider retaking the MCAT if your heart is really set on getting into an allopathic school.
 
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I agree with this completely. Last year, I went into the application cycle with a 3.6/31 and NYCOM (one of my top picks) still didn't give me an interview. OP, your GPA is about the same as mine and your MCAT score is a bit lower, so I wouldn't consider an NYCOM interview to be a sure thing, and getting allopathic interviews might be even more challenging with stats like those. I would definitely complete the TUCOM secondary and possibly consider retaking the MCAT.

your out of state altho still weird that you didnt get an interview with excellent stats like that. but bad advice on retaking the MCAT, especially now. His mcat score is fine for D.O. and unless the OP is hell-bent on M.D. (in which case idk why you would apply D.O.), a retake would most certainty require delay until 2011 cycle.
 
I agree with this completely. I went into the application cycle last year with a 3.6/31 and NYCOM (one of my top picks) still didn't give me an interview. OP, your GPA is about the same as mine and your MCAT score is a bit lower, so I wouldn't consider an NYCOM interview to be a sure thing. Furthermore, are NYCOM and TUCOM the only two osteopathic schools you applied to? If so, I would certainly consider applying to more. This year's admissions cycle is certain to be more competitive than ever, and you might find that getting allopathic interviews with your MCAT score is a bit challenging. Overall, I would definitely complete the TUCOM secondary, apply to more osteopathic schools, and possibly consider retaking the MCAT if your heart is really set on getting into an allopathic school.

Actually, I have already gotten an interview to an allopathic school. Still, NYCOM is one of my top choices. My problem is the deposit that we have to pay for osteopathic schools, which I thought is outrageous considering that most of us won't have the time to weigh on all the options.
 
I know some people at Tauro in NY and some serious stuff is going down, then i find this letter.

August 13, 2009
Dr. Bernard Lander
27-33 West 23rd Street
NY, NY 10010
Dear Dr. Lander,
The ESMA is appreciative of the response received from the interim Dean at Touro COM, Dr. Robert Goldberg. However, there are serious concerns that the membership of ESMA and the greater Harlem community have regarding your institution which we would like further investigated. Clearly, given the population of Harlem and the mission of our Association, the membership of the ESMA is specifically interested in the numbers of African-Americans when defining minority. Below are the twelve concerns that we have received from multiple reliable sources whom we received complaints from especially in light of the stated mission of your institution:

* Touro COM in Harlem has 0 minority chairs of department.* Touro COM in Harlem has 0 dollars dedicated for scholarships for students with financial needs who desire to become physicians.* Touro COM in Harlem has 0 dollars dedicated for recruitment at historically black colleges.* Touro COM in Harlem has 0 hospital rotations in Harlem or communities like Harlem.* Touro COM has 1 minority administrator/director.* Touro COM in Harlem has 1 full time minority faculty or professor on your faculty. Particularly disturbing are the following :

* Only 2 remaining full time faculty members from an original 13+ remain on staff. The other 11 have resigned or been fired.* In merely two years of existence, Touro COM in Harlem has 2 ACLU complaints regarding discrimination.* Touro COM of Harlem has received >30 accrediting body complaints or concerns regarding academics, the mission, and other concerns regarding the schools operation and overall functioning. We were informed of the following events witnessed by the previous Clinical Dean

who resigned:
• After being presented high quality minority faculty for consideration, administration officials stated that "the quality of the candidates is secondary to being able to control them." In response to hiring and other concerns presented to white Touro administrators, minority faculty and staff were advised to "(not) rock the boat, and just do what you are told." In fact, to give the impression that significant numbers of minority faculty were being hired, many minority faculty were offered only adjunct positions instead of full time positions and given very limited hours. Adjunct faculty were not reimbursed for mentoring to students, advising students and participating on various educational committees.
• Other faculty members and staff have also complained to us that minority faculty members seeking to make recommendations regarding students, the community or the school's educational curriculum were criticized as "not being a team player" and were threatened to "get with the program and join our point of view or else."
• Another top official has been reported saying that the school's Director of Admissions, who is a person of color, needs a "collar around him to control him like an animal."Dr. Goldberg has previously boasted that Touro COM has 19% underrepresented minorities in its student body. Touro COM clearly does not have a student body which is reflective of the nearly 90% Black and Hispanic community members of Harlem. The number of Black and Hispanic Students at Touro COM do not appear to be anywhere near its stated 19% of underrepresented minorities.Dr. Goldberg stated "We recruit aggressively to meet our mission, and have notcome across any referrals from the Empire State Medical Association in response to our advertised campaigns." Please note that the Empire State Medical Association has not received any funding from Touro to advertise, contract with,or work with Touro to meet its mission. The Empire State Medical Association has given Touro free publicity with email announcements of the school initial opening, initial announcements for faculty search and students Some of our members completed applications and were never subsequently contacted. Many of our expert physicians are listed on the website at www.nyesma.org. I coincidentally am one of those individuals whom completed a faculty application and submitted a CV and was never contacted as the status of faculty appointment.Dr. Ron Davis, past-president of the American Medical Association, stated"The medical profession must have diversity in the physician workforce-equivalent to that in the general population…..attaining equality of opportunity in medicine may seem an audacious goal, but is not optional for the medical profession."The current treatment of minority faculty at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine and a paucity of African American students and Hispanic students based on the above is unacceptable in light of its stated mission. With respect to students please also note that admission should not be based on academic achievement alone, but also on the exhibition of the intellectual,personal and social traits considered most desirable in a doctor of medicine.The Empire State Medical Association feels that the student and faculty at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem should be more reflective of the community in which it is situated.
Sincerely,

Daniel Laroche MD, President, Empire State Medical Association www.nyesma.orgCc, Dr. Goldberg 230 West 125th Street, NY, NY 10027, ESMA List serve, Open letter
 
Actually, I have already gotten an interview to an allopathic school. Still, NYCOM is one of my top choices. My problem is the deposit that we have to pay for osteopathic schools, which I thought is outrageous considering that most of us won't have the time to weigh on all the options.

TUCOM is one of only a few DO schools that requires such a big deposit...if I remember correctly, UMDNJ only asked for $100 or so.
 
I just want to clarify that this thread is not in any way against tuoro-NY nor Osteopathic schools. I totally agree with their teaching philosophy: holistic medicine and patient care. I would be happy with an acceptance. My only concern is a deposit after an acceptance which would prevent me from weighing all other options.
 
Add in some more established DO schools.... PCOM, UMDNJ, CCOM, DMU, AZCOM, NSU, Western. There may be other established schools, but these are just off the top of my head. Before you apply to these schools you might also consider which environment you like best (rural vs urban) or what climate you like (warm temps vs cool). Also, if any of these places is close to friends or family. You'll be living in the place for 4 years, so it matters.

I'm at AZCOM and the deposit here was $1,000, though I believe they had some provisions for a full or partial refund. You might want to check with the school's admissions office on their refund policy in case you end up not matriculating at the school.
 
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I just want to clarify that this thread is not in any way against tuoro-NY nor Osteopathic schools. I totally agree with their teaching philosophy: holistic medicine and patient care. I would be happy with an acceptance. My only concern is a deposit after an acceptance which would prevent me from weighing all other options.

p.s. the acceptance deposit for Western COMP is also $2,000 (non-refundable) and for Touro Nevada it is either $1,000 or $2,000 but it is refundable (as per NV state law)... unfortunately DO schools are not cheap :\
 
p.s. the acceptance deposit for Western COMP is also $2,000 (non-refundable) and for Touro Nevada it is either $1,000 or $2,000 but it is refundable (as per NV state law)... unfortunately DO schools are not cheap :\

Again, deposits are only that large at a handful of DO schools. OUCOM's deposit is $100. UMDNJ-SOM's is $185. TCOM doesn't have a deposit altogether (although that's largely because of the unique TMSDAS application system used in Texas). Browse the AACOM member colleges pages (http://www.aacom.org/people/colleges/Pages/default.aspx) and see for yourself.
 
Touro-NV's deposit is hefty ($2000), but all except $100 is refundable. Not exactly fun to have them sitting on $1900, but an acceptance is an acceptance!
 
I've heard horror stories from some of my fellow CCOM classmates that went to Touro College in NY for an interview. You have good stats, try better established schools.
 
I know some people at Tauro in NY and some serious stuff is going down, then i find this letter.

August 13, 2009
Dr. Bernard Lander
27-33 West 23rd Street
NY, NY 10010
Dear Dr. Lander,
The ESMA is appreciative of the response received from the interim Dean at Touro COM, Dr. Robert Goldberg. However, there are serious concerns that the membership of ESMA and the greater Harlem community have regarding your institution which we would like further investigated. Clearly, given the population of Harlem and the mission of our Association, the membership of the ESMA is specifically interested in the numbers of African-Americans when defining minority. Below are the twelve concerns that we have received from multiple reliable sources whom we received complaints from especially in light of the stated mission of your institution:

* Touro COM in Harlem has 0 minority chairs of department.* Touro COM in Harlem has 0 dollars dedicated for scholarships for students with financial needs who desire to become physicians.* Touro COM in Harlem has 0 dollars dedicated for recruitment at historically black colleges.* Touro COM in Harlem has 0 hospital rotations in Harlem or communities like Harlem.* Touro COM has 1 minority administrator/director.* Touro COM in Harlem has 1 full time minority faculty or professor on your faculty. Particularly disturbing are the following :

* Only 2 remaining full time faculty members from an original 13+ remain on staff. The other 11 have resigned or been fired.* In merely two years of existence, Touro COM in Harlem has 2 ACLU complaints regarding discrimination.* Touro COM of Harlem has received >30 accrediting body complaints or concerns regarding academics, the mission, and other concerns regarding the schools operation and overall functioning. We were informed of the following events witnessed by the previous Clinical Dean

who resigned:
• After being presented high quality minority faculty for consideration, administration officials stated that "the quality of the candidates is secondary to being able to control them." In response to hiring and other concerns presented to white Touro administrators, minority faculty and staff were advised to "(not) rock the boat, and just do what you are told." In fact, to give the impression that significant numbers of minority faculty were being hired, many minority faculty were offered only adjunct positions instead of full time positions and given very limited hours. Adjunct faculty were not reimbursed for mentoring to students, advising students and participating on various educational committees.
• Other faculty members and staff have also complained to us that minority faculty members seeking to make recommendations regarding students, the community or the school's educational curriculum were criticized as "not being a team player" and were threatened to "get with the program and join our point of view or else."
• Another top official has been reported saying that the school's Director of Admissions, who is a person of color, needs a "collar around him to control him like an animal."Dr. Goldberg has previously boasted that Touro COM has 19% underrepresented minorities in its student body. Touro COM clearly does not have a student body which is reflective of the nearly 90% Black and Hispanic community members of Harlem. The number of Black and Hispanic Students at Touro COM do not appear to be anywhere near its stated 19% of underrepresented minorities.Dr. Goldberg stated “We recruit aggressively to meet our mission, and have notcome across any referrals from the Empire State Medical Association in response to our advertised campaigns.” Please note that the Empire State Medical Association has not received any funding from Touro to advertise, contract with,or work with Touro to meet its mission. The Empire State Medical Association has given Touro free publicity with email announcements of the school initial opening, initial announcements for faculty search and students Some of our members completed applications and were never subsequently contacted. Many of our expert physicians are listed on the website at www.nyesma.org. I coincidentally am one of those individuals whom completed a faculty application and submitted a CV and was never contacted as the status of faculty appointment.Dr. Ron Davis, past-president of the American Medical Association, stated“The medical profession must have diversity in the physician workforce-equivalent to that in the general population…..attaining equality of opportunity in medicine may seem an audacious goal, but is not optional for the medical profession.”The current treatment of minority faculty at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine and a paucity of African American students and Hispanic students based on the above is unacceptable in light of its stated mission. With respect to students please also note that admission should not be based on academic achievement alone, but also on the exhibition of the intellectual,personal and social traits considered most desirable in a doctor of medicine.The Empire State Medical Association feels that the student and faculty at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem should be more reflective of the community in which it is situated.
Sincerely,

Daniel Laroche MD, President, Empire State Medical Association www.nyesma.org Cc, Dr. Goldberg 230 West 125th Street, NY, NY 10027, ESMA List serve, Open letter

Interesting.
 
LECOM's is 1500; non-refundable
 
$2000 deposit?! That's pretty ridiculous and on the same disgusting level as Caribbean medical schools. Nearly all the MD schools have just a $100 refundable deposit.
 
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Seriously man. Take it from a TouroCOM student: DO NOT COME HERE. EVER. If you have any choice in the matter whatsoever, (This includes doing a masters or PhD first) STAY AWAY. The discrimination is unbearable, the harassment really exceptional, the intimidation quite unbelievable, and the deceit is intolerable. If you have any hope of getting in anywhere else, even if it takes you extra years, STAY AWAY!!! If you're willing to accept losing all your rights as a human being and being part of a giant money making operation, then go for it.

Are you talking about all the Touro's? Nev., Cal, and NewYork? Can you go into more detail as to why you said the things you did? I'm interviewing at all three schools next month and the month after. If I get an acceptance to a school prior to these should I just save my money and not even travel to all three states?
 
Are you talking about all the Touro's? Nev., Cal, and NewYork? Can you go into more detail as to why you said the things you did? I'm interviewing at all three schools next month and the month after. If I get an acceptance to a school prior to these should I just save my money and not even travel to all three states?

I'm also wondering the same thing because I'm interested in Touro NV solely because of the location, but I was hoping that its not that bad of a school.😕
 
I can only speak for Touro NY, although I have heard similar things about California. The administrators at our school don't particularly care for women or people of color. Women are repeatedly harassed in the hallways and administration changed the attendance policy this year and forced a woman to leave because she became pregnant. If you're an overweight woman, you'll most likely be harassed as well and told you won't get certain rotations. That letter from ESMA is accurate. Students are repeadetly threatened with expulsion if the protest unfair and illegal policies. The handbook was ammended this year to facilitate easy expulsion of students who disagree with administrators (they removed student representation). One student was told to get a lawyer because Touro was willing to follow matters into the legal system for years to come. It's not a condusive atmosphere for learning and I live in constant fear of expulsion. I'm scared even writing this will lead to potential discipline. Did I mention they fingerprinted us this year? I'm now in my second year and I'm reapplying to start over. Don't make my mistake.

Wow. That is really interesting...I haven't heard anything like that from the NV campus..The only thing I have heard was that the rotations are sorta a hit or miss.
 
I've been wondering about this, too. I have an interview at Nova in a month, and I hear they accept about 70% of their interviewees with a very rapid turnaround. That means two months from now, I could be forced to drop $2000 to hold an acceptance while I still have applications out to 24 other schools. It's not that I wouldn't want to go to Nova- I didn't apply anywhere I didn't want to go- but I would like to be able to see where else I get in before making a decision about where I'm spending the next four years of my life.

How are you folks planning on handling this cost? Is delaying the application process a wise decision if you feel you're competetive enough to get in? Should you be open about your desire to keep your options open during interviews?
 
I've been wondering about this, too. I have an interview at Nova in a month, and I hear they accept about 70% of their interviewees with a very rapid turnaround. That means two months from now, I could be forced to drop $2000 to hold an acceptance while I still have applications out to 24 other schools. It's not that I wouldn't want to go to Nova- I didn't apply anywhere I didn't want to go- but I would like to be able to see where else I get in before making a decision about where I'm spending the next four years of my life.

How are you folks planning on handling this cost? Is delaying the application process a wise decision if you feel you're competetive enough to get in? Should you be open about your desire to keep your options open during interviews?
Nova follows the AACOMAS trafficking guidelines, I believe. That gives you until at least December 10 to 16.
 
Nova follows the AACOMAS trafficking guidelines, I believe. That gives you until at least December 10 to 16.

I'd actually not heard of those guidelines before (and have now checked them using the above link), but the point still remains. Mid-December, I'm still not going to know what all of my options are.
 
I was done by mid-October. You should have a good selection of choices by then if you have strong stats and got your application in early. This is also the issue you have for applying to osteopathic schools. I'm assuming you didn't apply to just 24 DO schools so it does suck for MD schools that may interview you after the deadline. Regardless, this is the schools' game and we're just players.
 
I was done by mid-October. You should have a good selection of choices by then if you have strong stats and got your application in early. This is also the issue you have for applying to osteopathic schools. I'm assuming you didn't apply to just 24 DO schools so it does suck for MD schools that may interview you after the deadline. Regardless, this is the schools' game and we're just players.

Agreed, just unfortunate. It's a shame this whole process is so expensive... hurray, economy and your lack of jobs for me 🙁

In the end, though, you really don't need to hold more than one DO acceptance. So worst case scenario, you just put down your two grand and consider it a sunk cost. If a better offer comes along later, go for it. You're gonn be massively in debt anyway...

And yes, I'm applying to 8 DO schools and 17 MD schools. The number of DO schools is lower specifically for this reason.
 
I just received my acceptance letter to LECOM Erie - Their deposit is $1500 this year, due 30-days after you're accepted. They're not giving matriculants until mid-December per the AACOMAS guidelines. My deposit is due by October 1st.
 
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I just received my acceptance letter to LECOM Erie - Their deposit is $1500 this year, due 30-days after you're accepted. They're not giving matriculants until mid-December per the AACOMAS guidelines. My deposit is due by October 1st.

Wow, that's really early for an acceptance. Were you early decision or something? I can imagine the rules would be different for that...

Oh, and congratulations!
 
Wow, that's really early for an acceptance. Were you early decision or something? I can imagine the rules would be different for that...

Oh, and congratulations!
Nope - I just had my secondary in the first week of July 😛
 
one thing I don't like about some DO school is how they cleverly extract money from people.
 
one thing I don't like about some DO school is how they cleverly extract money from people.

They should drop the DO letter requirement and stop trying to alienate themselves w/ these weird $$ practices. As mentioned by someone on here before, MD vs DO is like comparing apples to apples yet the DO schools have such weird policies that turn so many people away. Everyone would be better off if they stopped this crap. I hate used car dealers.
 
The more people that turn away the better my chances get for getting in.😀 (Well of course not til next cycle.)
 
I visited the new William Carey COM Hattiesburg, Mississippi in mid August. The COM opens August 2010 admitting its first class. AACOMAS will add the school to the list of schools for applications in mid to late September provided acreditation is received.

The class deposit will be $3,000. No, this is not a misprint - $3,000 wins the prize don't you think? The point of such a high amount is to weed out the not so serious applicant.

😍
 
I visited the new William Carey COM Hattiesburg, Mississippi in mid August. The COM opens August 2010 admitting its first class. AACOMAS will add the school to the list of schools for applications in mid to late September provided acreditation is received.

The class deposit will be $3,000. No, this is not a misprint - $3,000 wins the prize don't you think? The point of such a high amount is to weed out the not so serious applicant.

😍


But they also forget we are students, not doctors yet lol.
 
Handy338, If you're a strong applicant its not a problem. Now as seeing as you go to Columbia P&S I don't see why you need to comment.
 
Handy338, If you're a strong applicant its not a problem. Now as seeing as you go to Columbia P&S I don't see why you need to comment.

I couldn't agree with you more.😡
 
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I just received my acceptance letter to LECOM Erie - Their deposit is $1500 this year, due 30-days after you're accepted. They're not giving matriculants until mid-December per the AACOMAS guidelines. My deposit is due by October 1st.
I wonder if this 30-days deposit time will also be implemented for LECOM-B this year?
 
I wonder if this 30-days deposit time will also be implemented for LECOM-B this year?
I would assume Bradenton would follow along with it like the Seton Hill campus is, but then again, they're a lot more independent from LECOM-Erie than the Seton Hill campus is.
 
I can only speak for Touro NY, although I have heard similar things about California. The administrators at our school don't particularly care for women or people of color. Women are repeatedly harassed in the hallways and administration changed the attendance policy this year and forced a woman to leave because she became pregnant. If you're an overweight woman, you'll most likely be harassed as well and told you won't get certain rotations. That letter from ESMA is accurate. Students are repeadetly threatened with expulsion if the protest unfair and illegal policies. The handbook was ammended this year to facilitate easy expulsion of students who disagree with administrators (they removed student representation). One student was told to get a lawyer because Touro was willing to follow matters into the legal system for years to come. It's not a condusive atmosphere for learning and I live in constant fear of expulsion. I'm scared even writing this will lead to potential discipline. Did I mention they fingerprinted us this year? I'm now in my second year and I'm reapplying to start over. Don't make my mistake.

I'm going to address this as another female Touro NY student:

I LOVE MY SCHOOL. I'm a first year, so I'm not going to speak about what might have happened last year. It's out of my territory. However, things have changed since last year. We have a new anatomy professor, awesome lady who bought the class a shot of liquid happiness post-first exam. How many other medical schools will also let you practice thoracotomies (and removal of the tubes!), sutures, and lumbar punctures with anatomy cadavers? I hate sounding like such a fanatic, but it's a pretty sweet fit for me.

Harassment: I don't know what hallway people are supposedly harassing you in. There's not much room to loiter, and people tend to either just be in class or shuttled off in a study room. The only time I've seen mobs of people in the hallway are after lectures. If you're talking about your own classmates harassing you, you bring it up to administration. However, I have never been harassed by teachers, staff, or anyone else. The only time I've felt violated was when I was too lazy to change inside the bathroom stall for anatomy, and then one of my anatomy teachers walked in the bathroom while my pants were down. It was highly awkward and I'm going back to changing in the stalls.

Women of color: I've toured quite a few MD and DO schools, and I don't think half have as many women or men of color as our most recent class, c/o 2013. The only black person I've seen once at Stony Brook Med was a dance major at Princeton. Accept the fact that yes, they're an UNDERREPRESENTED minority, but Touro wasn't started as a medical school just for people of color. If you read the mission, it's to recruit people to work in the underserved area. I didn't think you had to be a person of color to work in Harlem.

As far as pregnant women, I haven't heard of anyone being "forced" into anything. I can see how the administration could have strongly encouraged the woman to defer for a year (happened last year to a newly accepted student), but that issue is more complex than you might think. Administration might have been worried about formaldehyde fumes from anatomy lab, or being sued at a later time if anything happened to the baby either due from stress of medical school or from exposure in the anatomy lab.

We have big people in our class too, and I think they have no complaints and are pretty happy. 70% mandatory attendance? We're not the only school with mandatory attendance. God forbid, the school actually wants you to learn. Yes, we use fingerprint scanners to enforce the attendance policy, but how is that so much more different than swiping in with cards at other schools? Fingerprinting at the MCAT? It's honestly more of an annoyance than anything else. And if you haven't been paying attention, SGA IS trying to get it changed, and I don't think they're being threatened with any sort of expulsion. Otherwise, I have faith that our president wouldn't keep quiet about it.

Constant fear of expulsion? I think this is a little melodramatic, but if you really feel like that, maybe you should speak to the counselor, and I mean that in the most non-judgmental way possible. I know of no one else who feels like that.

Letter from ESMA: I'm only going to say that it seems like the squabble is more political than anything seriously wrong with Touro.

Money: Med school is expensive. Accept this now. Even getting out of med school is expensive. You will be paying to apply to residencies, and each residency you apply to has a fee. They will charge you fees upon fees. The whole process is expensive. But you do it b/c they have a policy set up like that. What else can you do about it? Sue AMSA? Personally, it's a gamble to get into any medical school, and I don't care if you're from an Ivy league or not. Why not just put the deposit down and rest assured that you will still have somewhere to go rather than bank on "I'm so frigging awesome, I'll get in ANYWHERE else and be happy"? And make the decision about attending Touro yourself by touring the place and seeing how YOU feel about it, and make your OWN opinions. Don't let a few voices discourage you from completely overlooking a great school.
 
I'm going to address this as another female Touro NY student:

I LOVE MY SCHOOL. I'm a first year, so I'm not going to speak about what might have happened last year. It's out of my territory. However, things have changed since last year. We have a new anatomy professor, awesome lady who bought the class a shot of liquid happiness post-first exam. How many other medical schools will also let you practice thoracotomies (and removal of the tubes!), sutures, and lumbar punctures with anatomy cadavers? I hate sounding like such a fanatic, but it's a pretty sweet fit for me.

Harassment: I don't know what hallway people are supposedly harassing you in. There's not much room to loiter, and people tend to either just be in class or shuttled off in a study room. The only time I've seen mobs of people in the hallway are after lectures. If you're talking about your own classmates harassing you, you bring it up to administration. However, I have never been harassed by teachers, staff, or anyone else. The only time I've felt violated was when I was too lazy to change inside the bathroom stall for anatomy, and then one of my anatomy teachers walked in the bathroom while my pants were down. It was highly awkward and I'm going back to changing in the stalls.

Women of color: I've toured quite a few MD and DO schools, and I don't think half have as many women or men of color as our most recent class, c/o 2013. The only black person I've seen once at Stony Brook Med was a dance major at Princeton. Accept the fact that yes, they're an UNDERREPRESENTED minority, but Touro wasn't started as a medical school just for people of color. If you read the mission, it's to recruit people to work in the underserved area. I didn't think you had to be a person of color to work in Harlem.

As far as pregnant women, I haven't heard of anyone being "forced" into anything. I can see how the administration could have strongly encouraged the woman to defer for a year (happened last year to a newly accepted student), but that issue is more complex than you might think. Administration might have been worried about formaldehyde fumes from anatomy lab, or being sued at a later time if anything happened to the baby either due from stress of medical school or from exposure in the anatomy lab.

We have big people in our class too, and I think they have no complaints and are pretty happy. 70% mandatory attendance? We're not the only school with mandatory attendance. God forbid, the school actually wants you to learn. Yes, we use fingerprint scanners to enforce the attendance policy, but how is that so much more different than swiping in with cards at other schools? Fingerprinting at the MCAT? It's honestly more of an annoyance than anything else. And if you haven't been paying attention, SGA IS trying to get it changed, and I don't think they're being threatened with any sort of expulsion. Otherwise, I have faith that our president wouldn't keep quiet about it.

Constant fear of expulsion? I think this is a little melodramatic, but if you really feel like that, maybe you should speak to the counselor, and I mean that in the most non-judgmental way possible. I know of no one else who feels like that.

Letter from ESMA: I'm only going to say that it seems like the squabble is more political than anything seriously wrong with Touro.

Money: Med school is expensive. Accept this now. Even getting out of med school is expensive. You will be paying to apply to residencies, and each residency you apply to has a fee. They will charge you fees upon fees. The whole process is expensive. But you do it b/c they have a policy set up like that. What else can you do about it? Sue AMSA? Personally, it's a gamble to get into any medical school, and I don't care if you're from an Ivy league or not. Why not just put the deposit down and rest assured that you will still have somewhere to go rather than bank on "I'm so frigging awesome, I'll get in ANYWHERE else and be happy"? And make the decision about attending Touro yourself by touring the place and seeing how YOU feel about it, and make your OWN opinions. Don't let a few voices discourage you from completely overlooking a great school.
The above is fine and all, but what is going on with 3rd year rotations? This is the first time Touro-NY is rotating students, right? Have all the kinks been worked out? Last I've heard, they weren't completely set up/settled.
 
The above is fine and all, but what is going on with 3rd year rotations? This is the first time Touro-NY is rotating students, right? Have all the kinks been worked out? Last I've heard, they weren't completely set up/settled.

I agree, this is the bigger issue. I also think it is telling that eleven of the original thirteen faculty have either quit or been fired in the last two years. I can understand a young school having some issues, but from what I keep hearing, Touro has some pretty significant problems.

Snurpy, I appreciate you stepping up to provide the other half of the picture here. I know that there are many like you who are enjoying their time at Touro, and that you will all emerge as competent doctors. But right now, at least for me, I don't think that Touro is worth it. Plenty of other places that can equip me to be a good doc without the issues they're dealing with right now.
 
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