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I was reading a Forbes magazine article today. I don't know whether this was an old edition or not, but the general topic of the article was disabilities and professional school admission tests. The article was talking about how a group of lawyers was sueing AAMC and the AMA because if for example you have a mental disability and require unlimited time on the MCAT or a separate room, it is noted at the bottom of your score sheet. They say this is discrimination. The article went on to comment though, why would anyone who cannot finish a test in a certain amount of time with a lot of people surrounding them want to go into a school where the end product is to place you in a high stress situation with a lot of people and little time to think and read. In other words it presented the argument that why are you choosing to be a doctor if you can't handle being around people, quick action, etc.

What are your thoughts on this? Is it fair for someone to take all the time in the world on the MCAT, but not have it noted on their score sheet? Or is this practice discrimination?
 
ku06 said:
I was reading a Forbes magazine article today. I don't know whether this was an old edition or not, but the general topic of the article was disabilities and professional school admission tests. The article was talking about how a group of lawyers was sueing AAMC and the AMA because if for example you have a mental disability and require unlimited time on the MCAT or a separate room, it is noted at the bottom of your score sheet. They say this is discrimination. The article went on to comment though, why would anyone who cannot finish a test in a certain amount of time with a lot of people surrounding them want to go into a school where the end product is to place you in a high stress situation with a lot of people and little time to think and read. In other words it presented the argument that why are you choosing to be a doctor if you can't handle being around people, quick action, etc.

What are your thoughts on this? Is it fair for someone to take all the time in the world on the MCAT, but not have it noted on their score sheet? Or is this practice discrimination?

Our society has certainly become hypersensitive to the possibility of discrimination. There is no question that this instance is discrimination. The only real question is whether that discrimination is appropriate. For instance, medical schools discriminate when they choose their applicants on the basis of, say, their MCAT scores.

I am inclined to make the judgement that this is acceptable. Just as it is acceptable to discriminate against an otherwise brilliant blind doctor (is such a thing possible?) when doing admissions for a surgery residency, it is acceptable to prevent a mentally handicapped individual from becoming a doctor at all, because this would potentially jeopardize the security and health of his patients.

But that isn't really the issue here. The issue is whether it's appropriate to note special testing conditions during the MCAT on the scoring record. I would say two things. First, I think this is totally legal since I don't really think this is technically discrimination. You're just noting information. To make an extreme example, if a student cheated on his MCAT, that might be noted on his record. Second, I think it's quite moral and appropriate. This simply provides more information to an admissions committee to make a judgement as to the applicant's fitness to enter medical school. The entire interview process is designed to make subjective judgements on the same fitness, and this is just another tool to make those decisions.

Finally, if an applicant is allowed unlimited time, for handicap or whatever reason, this is fundamentally unfair to those who do have a time limit. If the test-taker is, say, three times as slow as a normal applicant, but receives ten times the time, that is unfair.

Anyway, sorry for the long, rambling post. I am totally open to others' opinions on this, and what I just said is just that: opinion. 😀

EDIT: I assume a severe mental handicap, but the arguments RE: the notation appearing on the score sheet remain the same.
 
On a side note, since medical schools must comply with the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act), does this mean that they have to give them extra time in medical school as well for exams and the like?
 
It is completely fair to indicate that a completely standardized test was issued under non-standard conditions. In those situations, med schools try to look at other scores before they consider the MCAT (unless it's really bad).
 
this happened to a person i know. AAMC had this person take
two tests, both standardized. one timed, one untimed. since
they scored extremely high on the untimed, the problem was
concluded not to be a mental disability and they were given no
addtional time on the MCAT. i doubt the tests were given by
directly by AAMC but perhaps by an outside party.
 
DrYo12 said:
On a side note, since medical schools must comply with the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act), does this mean that they have to give them extra time in medical school as well for exams and the like?

Hi there,
People with disabilties that are covered under the ADA Act are given special accomodations in medical school. This may be examination in a separate room; unlimited time, Braille tests or an interpreter for a person who is deaf. I have no problems with the special accomodations any more than I have a problem with placing ramps and elevators that will accomodate wheelchairs. If you are in need of these things to get through school then by all means they should be provided.

All I ask for is a warm room with plenty of light so I can see those little bubbles that need to be colored in. When the room is chilly, I have difficulty holding those #2 pencils.

njbmd 🙂
 
njbmd said:
Hi there,
People with disabilties that are covered under the ADA Act are given special accomodations in medical school. This may be examination in a separate room; unlimited time, Braille tests or an interpreter for a person who is deaf. I have no problems with the special accomodations any more than I have a problem with placing ramps and elevators that will accomodate wheelchairs. If you are in need of these things to get through school then by all means they should be provided.
Braille tests?? pardon my ignorance, but how does a blind person conduct themselves during anatomy or histology labs? could they dissect? what specialties are conducive to a lack of sight? wouldn't insurance companies charge astronomical malpractice insurance in the case of a blind doctor?

i'm not trying to be a jerk, but i'm pretty confused about this. do you know of any specific cases where a blind person went through med school (and what did he/she go on to do)?
 
njbmd said:
Hi there,
People with disabilties that are covered under the ADA Act are given special accomodations in medical school. This may be examination in a separate room; unlimited time, Braille tests or an interpreter for a person who is deaf. I have no problems with the special accomodations any more than I have a problem with placing ramps and elevators that will accomodate wheelchairs. If you are in need of these things to get through school then by all means they should be provided.
Um, no, I don't think so. Med schools can discriminate based on whether or not you are physically capable of doing your rotations and such, and a blind or deaf person really won't be able to do those things.
 
TheProwler said:
Um, no, I don't think so. Med schools can discriminate based on whether or not you are physically capable of doing your rotations and such, and a blind or deaf person really won't be able to do those things.

Hi there,
GWU graduated a blind student and several severely hearing impaired students. You do not have to be able to see to learn anatomy or histology. Granted, these folks did not go into surgery but were able to go into residencies and on to excellent careers.

GT has graduated students who were wheelchair bound and JHU has graduated students who were physically impaired (achrondroplastia) who did go on to do Orthopedic surgery and neurosurgery.

Most medical schools do not 'discriminate' based on physical impairments and students with many challenges have successfully navigated the curriculums and gone on to great careers.

njbmd 🙂
 
TheProwler said:
It is completely fair to indicate that a completely standardized test was issued under non-standard conditions.

Agreed- how med schools deal with that is upto them- on a similar note, I think patients should have the right to know if their doctor is impaired in any way.
 
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