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Nevada could be getting its 1st veterinary school
A university in the Las Vegas Valley has submitted a letter of intent to the American Veterinary Medical Association Council on Education to begin planning for a veterinary medicine school.
Yet another one…
What bill are you talking about?
The Big Beautiful Bill that is proposing to limit graduate students to 150 or 200k of federal loans, which is like half of the current costs for veterinary (and medical and dental) schools.
I worry the latter will happen as well. There are already students who take private loans to go over current federal maximums (or if they don't qualify). Especially considering the response to already declining undergraduate admissions at many universities has been to raise tuition...
Bingooooo, I think this would make school even more expensive. Sure, maybe the smaller ones would die off but I don’t see state schools reducing tuition.
i read that earlier. i dont exactly know what that means?Idk where to put this but this thread seems reasonable but I just saw this:
Lincoln Memorial University sues American Veterinary Medical Association
The university claims in its lawsuit that the AVMA is in violation of the US antitrust laws.www.dvm360.com
Looks like they don’t meet the research standards for accreditation and are suing because of it, claiming that it’s in the AVMAs interest to have fewer accredited schools so they just found a reason to put them on probation. At least that’s how I interpreted it.
right but how does what does this mean now? while this lawsuit unfolds will schools waiting on accrediation have to wait to get their letter of reasonable assurance incase they DO change the requirements? CAN the requirements be changed?
Current LMU student here - how screwed are my peers and I? I went out on a limb and turned down an acceptance at my top choice school (LMU was significantly cheaper) and now I’m starting to regret my life choices :/Idk where to put this but this thread seems reasonable but I just saw this:
Lincoln Memorial University sues American Veterinary Medical Association
The university claims in its lawsuit that the AVMA is in violation of the US antitrust laws.
If they’re accredited, even provisionally, when you start, you should be allowed to sit NAVLE like any other graduate from an accredited college. And honestly their NAVLE pass rates are average/decent (high 80s low 90s recently when other more established schools have been lower) so they seem to be doing fine in that regard for now at least.
All the schools get site visits on a rotating schedule. Ross had one in March. Schools also have to fill out an annual report.
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Thank you for this!! I’ve heard that we get grandfathered in since it was accredited when we started, it just makes me nervous to see my school trying to go head to head with AVMA😅
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but that’s 2 new schools in Arkansas ? Opening around the same time? I know one was very focused on in state Arkansas students which is awesome but otherwise… why open BOTHLyon College breaks ground on a new veterinary school
The animal health campus in Cabot, Arkansas, will feature more than 100,000 square feet of educational and clinical space.
i know why i just dont wanna say it out loud. rhymes with shmoney
You’re not wrong. Both Arkansas State and Lyon are in Arkansas and planning to seat their first classes in fall 2026 provided they pass all the approvals.
As Jayna mentioned it's not uncommon for schools to go on probationary for many reasons and visits are done and more focused site visits are done prn for deficiencies. There is ALOT of work that goes into the site visits and the deficiencies schools are given. Those decisions are not made lightly. Also being placed on probationary accreditation a school is still far away from terminal accreditation.
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This is an....interesting take.
Does anyone have any rough numbers on who leaves Carib schools due to academics vs. on their own volition (transferring, can't handle island living, other)?
AVMA should require attrition numbers to be published. Ross is a school that is expanding class sizes with questionable ability to provide adequate resources which is why I don’t understand how COE doesn’t notice that on their site visit. Did Ross know their facilities were in need of repair/replacement prior to 2021 since student housing was suppose to be completed in 2021?
No one here is going to disagree about publishing attrition rates, as long as we can get detail on academic dismissals vs. other dismissals/dropping out.
This is pretty much what happened to Oklahoma State recently too. Facilities weren’t their only deficiency when they were more recently put on probation, but they sorted out the others pretty quickly. Probation continued because of facilities concerns and they had to basically start a public/legislature campaign that essentially said, ‘we need money for a new hospital to be built or we’re going to lose accreditation and have to close’ because renovating/expanding the current wasn’t very feasible. And luckily they were given at least most of the money, so now they can start planning and building and maybe in a few years there’ll be a new facility.
I started typing up a thing on UofI, but there's honestly so much to unpack on what happened between 2018 and 2020. And a lottttt of opinions (and a conspiracy theory or two) about what really happened, why it happened, and in what order. I tend to bite my tongue on it because my anonymity is loose at best. University of Illinois reports largest veterinary class
*insert my monthly rant about parking at UF*
Quick side note- are the deficiencies in “outcomes” defined as NAVLE pass rates/student retention/attrition or like placement in jobs post grad etc..?
I linked the guidelines a few posts above, and the guidelines and grading rubric (pages 184-187 are what you’re interested in for this) do have points saying skill competencies and stuff must be assessed (which is probably why I had to get out those silly skill check sheets signed every rotation all those years ago). There is a question on the rubric about attrition and employment where they just explain and list corrective measures if attrition and unemployment rate rise. But I’m sure NAVLE pass rate is the biggest factor since that’s a relatively objective number all the other things are so subjective.
Thank you! Just saw the guidelines post and it’s very helpful 😋
You are probably right, but again, the CoE is not a building inspector. It seems you have more qualms with the idea of a university funneling funds in seemingly dumb ways than you do with the actual vet school?
I would hope so, unless they changed something recently, LMU is a school that gives like 3 weeks of dedicated NAVLE study time as a part of their clinical year where completion of a NAVLE prep course as well as at least one full length practice test is required…
Historically NAVLE pass rate, but apparently things are changing as the AVMA is pushing towards a competency based veterinary education, so outcomes assessment will supposedly move to include ensuring schools will have metrics that look at how competent their students are in all of the domains of competency
Definitely some schools do a better job with this than others, especially in recent years, but it really should be a more defined outcome requirement.
Can we talk about which schools do a better job with this?
