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Review of the past 72 hours: morning rounds, eat, golf 18, eat, sleep..... morning rounds, eat, golf 18, eat, sleep.... morning rounds, eat, golf 17.5, get called in for the first time in three days, eat, and planning on sleeping good tonight.
I could get use to this OB/GYN on call stuff.

 

[luckystar]

my stuff is still there, that indicates "dibs"

I guess you make a good point. Alright, I'll go back to making out with him on weekends...😳

 

[Portier]

I guess you make a good point. Alright, I'll go back to making out with him on weekends...😳

and ME during the week!!!

WOO HOO 👍

 

[luckystar]

and ME during the week!!!

WOO HOO 👍

That would be, like, incest.

 

[Old_Mil]

Hello. I'd just like to take a moment to say that I hate Neuroanatomy.

Thank you.

 

[Portier]

Hello. I'd just like to take a moment to say that I hate Neuroanatomy.

Thank you.

That's good...because it hates you, too. JK

Good luck with all that.

 

[luckystar]

Hello. I'd just like to take a moment to say that I hate Neuroanatomy.

Thank you.

Who's teaching it now? And does her voice get progressively higher towards the end of lecture when time is running out? Actually, I liked her quite a bit...but who can concentrate when the lecturer's voice goes up 6 octaves every minute?

 

[Portier]

Who's teaching it now? And does her voice get progressively higher towards the end of lecture when time is running out? Actually, I liked her quite a bit...but who can concentrate when the lecturer's voice goes up 6 octaves every minute?

Dont' make fun of grandma.....

I had to help her find her car once after the DO-05 graduation ceremony. She'd lost it.

 

[Old_Mil]

Who's teaching it now? And does her voice get progressively higher towards the end of lecture when time is running out? Actually, I liked her quite a bit...but who can concentrate when the lecturer's voice goes up 6 octaves every minute?

Someone who must enjoy word puzzles immensely, if the handouts are any indication.

 

[Dr Krank]

Someone who must enjoy word puzzles immensely, if the handouts are any indication.

Nothing will ever touch Dr Meetz's copy of a copy spinal cord pictures for his exam questions. It was like looking at a black blob and he would ask several detailed questions on this crappy pic. Glad he is gone.

 

[luckystar]

If I remember correctly, High Yield Neuroanatomy was my saving grace for that class. BRS Neuro has the exact same pictures, but gets way too detailed in the text.

 

[cremaster2007]

I used BRS for neuroanatomy and it was probably one of my overall higher med school grades. Just learn the circle of willis, and understand what lesions cause and you will get by.

I have been to Providence off and on for the past week or so checking out there neurosurgery program and it is fantastic. It is a little weird because it is the only DO residency at an allopathic instituition. I also went to Sinai Grace in the D (around 6 mile) where all our patients who were just minding their own business had gun shot wounds to the head and beating head trauma.

I also got to see a glomus jugulare tumor removal today or at least part of it because its like an 8 hour surgery. It was pretty sweet though they had from the tip of the pinna down to the clavicle with the it all open and most of the anatomy identified. It actually brought back the days of me being hungover and lucky doing all the dissection.

Anyways 1 year 1 month and like 12 days until we graduate...........bitches.

 

[Krazykritter]

Has Path always been the worst taught class at DMU?? These frickin docs really should be sitting in front of a microscope instead of lecturing...Actually, it would probably be best if most of them never spoke...ever.

 

[javandane]

i'd say that whomever designs the curriculum here at DMU has got their priorities ****ed up. path = arguably the most important course in medical school, and yet is one of the most poorly-taught subjects here.

and i'll echo old mil's sentiments re: neuroanatomy--not only are the lectures convoluted (hey, anyone can memorize a chinese menu, but do they really understand it?), but the exams--atleast the first--are pathetic. not one clinically-relevant question out of 64. where were the lesion questions? are the profs just that lazy that they can't write good questions?

how are any of these exams testing comprehension? board-prep? wtf?

 

[RasputinDO]

Honestly, it's not necessarily DMU. I will admit the Path course is not great here, but that really is the nature of a BASIC Path course. It is very dry material. The big stuff with path is really pathophys, which you will get in your second year systems. I've had path courses at a couple of schools and it's always very dry......it's just a tough subject to teach......That's just my opinion though....

 

[luckystar]

The path parts in the systems classes for 2nd year are MUCH better. I thought it all came together quite nicely...and you don't even have to go to class!

*Disclaimer: The apparent promotion for not attending classes is only an optical illusion in this post.

PS - The Robbins Review of Path question book was by far the best source of prep material for boards...especially the USMLE. An extremely worthwhile investment, in my opinion.

 

[Old_Mil]

i'd say that whomever designs the curriculum here at DMU has got their priorities ****ed up. path = arguably the most important course in medical school, and yet is one of the most poorly-taught subjects here.

I have to agree...That having been said, between Dr. Neoplasm and Dr. Immunity the second half of this course has been about a thousand times better than the first half.

and i'll echo old mil's sentiments re: neuroanatomy--not only are the lectures convoluted (hey, anyone can memorize a chinese menu, but do they really understand it?), but the exams--atleast the first--are pathetic. not one clinically-relevant question out of 64. where were the lesion questions? are the profs just that lazy that they can't write good questions?

how are any of these exams testing comprehension? board-prep? wtf?

I don't know. I noticed that about the first Path exam - it was very much unlike the Robbins Review material. While a few questions were lifted from it directly, the majority were unlike anything in there.

 

[babyruth]

Question for everyone:
Does doing a traditional internship make you look bad if you then apply for IM residency somewhere else? I was thinking about doing a traditional rotating AOA one in Michigan and then Looking at residency somewhere else. Should I just go ahead and apply for all of it all at once, if that makes sense?

 

[luckystar]

I think you should apply for it all at once. Are you then looking for an IM residency that's PGY 2-3 and would approve your AOA internship? Or would you do a 1-3 program and repeat intern year? Personally, I don't think it would make you look bad at all. If I remember correctly, the rank order list for prelim/TYs are separate than the one for residencies. At least that's how it is for the couple's match.

 

[Portier]

1 week to 3rd block, B!TCHES!

Make sure you sink your handheld....in something. Motor Oil? Water? Transmission Fluid?

Personally I'm going to synchronize mine.

 

[babyruth]

I think you should apply for it all at once. Are you then looking for an IM residency that's PGY 2-3 and would approve your AOA internship? Or would you do a 1-3 program and repeat intern year? Personally, I don't think it would make you look bad at all. If I remember correctly, the rank order list for prelim/TYs are separate than the one for residencies. At least that's how it is for the couple's match.

Well, I would either need to do a internship, and then apply to places that have open PGY-2 spots or repeat my internship year over when restarting a new program at PGY-1. I guess all I am asking is that if I apply to an ACGME program (not AOA) that has a IM internship that goes with it, will it look bad if I do my internship somewhere else or repeat a year? (does that make sense?)

 

[babyruth]

So I would be doing my intership in one state and then the rest somewhere else if they'll take me; or I would have to repeat my internship all over again somewhere else...

 

[babyruth]

Anybody else getting sick of the emails that tell you that you haven't synched your pda in one week yet? It seems that all of the effort it takes to do that could be used somewhere else, like securing 4th year rotation spots... just a thought.

 

[luckystar]

I haven't gotten mine to sync since the server went down...and do they seriously think that those of us who put in one patient x 3 days a week do that in real life? How would we pull off decent evals if we just saw one patient a day, three days a week? Stupid logs...I haven't gotten an email....yet...and for once, I actually am doing more accurate logging this month!

 

[luckystar]

Well, I would either need to do a internship, and then apply to places that have open PGY-2 spots or repeat my internship year over when restarting a new program at PGY-1. I guess all I am asking is that if I apply to an ACGME program (not AOA) that has a IM internship that goes with it, will it look bad if I do my internship somewhere else or repeat a year? (does that make sense?)

I see what you're saying.

So what do we have figured out? You can:
A) Apply to AOA internships this ERAS cycle for 2007. Apply for ACGME categorical IM residencies the next ERAS cycle for start in 2008, and end up doing 4 years and 2 application cycles.
B) Apply to both AOA internships and ACGME this ERAS cycle, let the ACGME programs know that you intend on doing an AOA transitional year, and then starting with them PGY-2.
C) Same as A, but applying only for advanced (PGY-2) positions for 2008, if there are any, possibly having to do 2 application cycles as well.

Hmm...I would probably do B. Many programs have a lot of prelim medicine spots for people going into other specialties, so maybe they can fill up your internship spot with somebody who needs it anyway.

As for looking bad, the only way to find out is probably to contact the programs you're interested in. I'm not sure you'd be at a disadvantage if you went with A, because as a DO, you're already an independent applicant (as are MDs who have already graduated and are participating in the match). And the letter of rec you could get as an intern can hold more weight than ones received as a med student.

Choice C is probably the least favorable, in my opinion, because you are then limited to programs that actually have openings for PGY-2.

Tough question, babyruth!!

 

[Portier]

Motorcycle verus Truck at high speed. (DONORCYCLE)

All I've got to say is that CPR is way too much like hard work.

...and since I'm 30 (not 24), why am I still considered a "strapping young lad"?

 

[luckystar]

OMG, that's like, the third motorcycle vs truck this week. Every time the weather changes, people go nuts! Like, the dorks who still speed when it gets icy at the beginning of winter, and then now with warmer weather and the crazy biking...

Because you look like a strapping young lad, Mr. Navy! 😉

 

[Portier]

Have I told you that I love you?

I do. 😍

And I'm going to miss you and the big hairy Serbian something terrible. 🙁

 

[luckystar]

Awww. We'll miss you and your Cajun arse too...I love how it reverberates to the slap of my hand...dayam...

Ahem. 😳

Anyway, yes...we'll miss you too! 😀

 

[Portier]

OMG, that's like, the third motorcycle vs truck this week. Every time the weather changes, people go nuts! Like, the dorks who still speed when it gets icy at the beginning of winter, and then now with warmer weather and the crazy biking...

Because you look like a strapping young lad, Mr. Navy! 😉

More Story:

This guy was engaged.
The fiance is preggo.
He went down to the bike dealership and picked up the bike to test it.
He took it home to show the fiance.
She told him to take it back because she didn't want him to hurt himself.

So, he killed himself on the way back to drop off the bike.

 

[luckystar]

Ohhh...that's not right. Wow.

 

[Krazykritter]

Something else that just isn't right:

Thursday: Path Exam II
Friday: Neuro Exam II (2 of the 8 lectures on Thurs. the day before the exam)
Monday: OMM Written II
Tuesday: Phys Exam V
Wednesday: Neuro Quiz

Not that I am equating a bad test schedule w/ some poor guy's horrible luck.

 

[luckystar]

Damn, now I remember why I like 3rd year so much. After surgery, just one more post-rotation exam to go!

We had a few incidences where we had test schedules like yours, during our first 2 years. It totally sucks, and sometimes you wonder if the scheduling people just do not like your letter group.

Are you a first year, Krazy? I'm just guessing from the classes you're in. How do you like DMU so far?

 

[Krazykritter]

Yep, first year. I really like DMU. It is definitely the place that I would rather be to go through crazy **** like this.

I have to say though I am w/ everyone else here when I say that I wish the Boz wasn't leaving. I think we are all worried about not only losing probably the best and most enthusiastic prof we have, but about Boards.

 

[luckystar]

That's great that you like DMU!

I hear you about the Boz leaving. He was one of the bigger assets that the school had. What is it exactly that are you guys worried about boards? Are you talking about the OMM part of it? Because I'd agree with that...however, your class is lucky to have already had a year with him. I'd say most of the OMM on level 1 was first year material, and viscerosomatics. He did a fantastic job with the OMM classes, didn't he?

 

[Krazykritter]

It was definitely the OMM portion. Good to hear that it is mostly the stuff he gave us a good foundation on this year. I was hoping that I could smoke that portion of the boards to help boost the COMLEX score.

Damn, I have to quit reading these posts and get some more studying in. Stupid SDN!

 

[luckystar]

Yeah, this can get addictive. It does make for a nice study break, though.

Question for the '07ers: Have you guys that have decided on what specialty you'll be applying for started telling people that ask? I still find it hard to say anything other than, "oh, I don't know yet...I still have some time to figure it out". Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling each attending that I want to go into their field, I'm just saying that I haven't made a decision yet. Thoughts?

 

[Portier]

As a backup plan, I have to think about an non-military one year internship.

How the hell does one even begin thinking about this?

How are you all deciding?

 

[luckystar]

I plan on having a mixed list of categorical and advanced positions, so I have to look at internships too. I've been told a transitional year is good, but if I have any plans to do vascular/interventional, a surgical prelim isn't a bad idea. So yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. Basically, I just want to do my year close to or at the same place as my four other years.

There are cushier internship places out there...just search the residency forums.

 

[Dartos Vader]

I know what you mean Lucky. I hate saying "I think I'm going to do this" and then change my mind. Seems so flaky. I have started setting up rotations for fourth year though so.....I'm pretty much committing to FM. I still have moments where I think about doing medicine instead, but then I go to noon lecture and get really bored. The hardest part of choosing one field is turning down every other field, they all have so much cool stuff.

 

[luckystar]

Hmm. Winterset. How quaint. Good fried mushrooms. Why is everything better when it's fried? You know, like, Twinkies, Oreos, Snickers bars.....*barf*

8 more weeks of long distance lovin'!! I can't wait to go on rotations with my man. It'll be like a year-long roadtrip the way we have things set up...with a wedding at the end! And a graduation...which is probably the more exciting thing to us, haha!

 

[Portier]

Living in West Des Moines now that Lucky broke it off with me.....I don't think I'll ever recover.

For the record, Warren House has a great location, but is a little scary...and kind of dumpish. Well, it's a dump compared the the Imperial...HA!

It is good, however, to have access to all those tokens and printers at DMU. I'm going to, "Cry Havok! and loose the dogs of war!!"

As for the question, I say Peds. I've pretty much committed to it: 4 Navy rotations in it. If I don't go Peds I have to go Transitional...which isn't bad, but...

I guess I say Peds when people ask because for me it's all that makes sense...Peds with the fellowship eventually. I don't like the FM/ER/IM stuff that is all really Psych: dealing with people who don't actually have ailments but rather need a BFF. I always feel like even if the kid isn't sick, at least they're a kid and didn't bring themselves in...easy to feel my countertransferrence.

Then the cancer is all the things I'm interested in: Immunology, Drugs/Mechanisms, Research, really really sick patients, death.

I don't feel flakey saying it since my tune is constant, and I've done all the footwork I can to get my residency in it.

 

[luckystar]

Ah yes, the "Affordable Luxury" of the Imperial.

I think I'm gonna start telling the truth now about what my career plans are. The main reason I didn't before was because I wanted to get a fair experience with all my rotations. I think it made a difference especially with surgery. And we'll be applying soon anyway, so it makes sense to have chosen something at this point.

 

[gagolden]

what happens if you miss 3 days in a week? My wifes grandfather died last night and the funeral is going to be Wed/Thurs in Colorado. So. If its Wed. Ill miss 3 days in this week. Do I fail the rotation? Isn't there some kind of clause where you can make up hours?

Thanks, let me know. Im kinda on a time crunch.

 

[cremaster2007]

what happens if you miss 3 days in a week? My wifes grandfather died last night and the funeral is going to be Wed/Thurs in Colorado. So. If its Wed. Ill miss 3 days in this week. Do I fail the rotation? Isn't there some kind of clause where you can make up hours?

Thanks, let me know. Im kinda on a time crunch.

Talk to your attending and see if he'll "assign you something to read". Then you can log it on your pda for that day and count it. It's not your fault that you have to go to a funeral, and I don't think it would be an issue with most attendings.

Lucky, I have been telling people what I"m interested in going into and when they ask where I'll be applying. I also say I don't want to be a ****ty intern so I am still trying to learn everything I can, which most seem to appreciate. I'm back at St. Joe's for 2 months of FP. Dartos I think I am with the FP doc you had your first month, so let me know what you thought about him. I don't think I"ll make it back to Stephanie and Dan's wedding, I have to fly home the weekend before that for my cousin's graduation, and again in July for a wedding, and I don't think the pocket book can take the abuse I have been handing it lately.

Well I suppose I could read until my day starts at 10. Keep on trucking everyone, and just a few more months until fantasy football!

 

[Old_Mil]

That's great that you like DMU!

What is it exactly that are you guys worried about boards?

I guess what concerns me the most is the spectre of them promoting from within to replace him. Which is really more of a concern about next year than about step 1...

 

[Old_Mil]

Something else that just isn't right:

Thursday: Path Exam II
Friday: Neuro Exam II (2 of the 8 lectures on Thurs. the day before the exam)
Monday: OMM Written II
Tuesday: Phys Exam V
Wednesday: Neuro Quiz

Not that I am equating a bad test schedule w/ some poor guy's horrible luck.

Tuesday: Neuro Quiz
Thursday: Path Exam II
Friday: Neuro Exam II
Monday: Neuro Quiz & OMM Written II
Tuesday Phys Exam V

I'm not, but I am starting to feel like roadkill.

 

[luckystar]

Alright, so I told my FP doc that I am applying to radiology this September. Later on, he started in about Holter monitors, and said, "Well, I guess you don't have to care about them". That's exactly what I was afraid of happening, so I ended up telling him all I know about Holters and now I feel like I have to make an extra effort to let him know that yes, I do know and care about diabetes, hypertension, etc. I guess it's different when you're going into a more direct patient care field. However, he's a nice guy, good teacher, and we got into some fun talks about liberal Californians, jihad bombers, and how stupid the PE exam really is. I think I'm gonna have a good bit of fun here. FP is so laid back. And the patients make me laugh.

Old_Mil: Who are they pushing for to replace Boz? That's a trend at DMU, it appears. Like how they replaced somebody in Admissions last year. Shady shady...

 

[luckystar]

what happens if you miss 3 days in a week? My wifes grandfather died last night and the funeral is going to be Wed/Thurs in Colorado. So. If its Wed. Ill miss 3 days in this week. Do I fail the rotation? Isn't there some kind of clause where you can make up hours?

Thanks, let me know. Im kinda on a time crunch.

Agree w/ cremaster. Like my attendings always said, "if we don't let your school know, they won't find out." 😉

 

[gagolden]

Agree w/ cremaster. Like my attendings always said, "if we don't let your school know, they won't find out." 😉

I talked to my attending today, explained the situation and he said. "Ill give you the patient schedule for that day.. you can f@#$ing pretend you were here."

......problem solved.