Do/dds?

[kdizzy]

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What does this program set one up to do? I think it's nova that has eat

 

[Octagonecology]

What does this program set one up to do? I think it's nova that has eat

Theoretically you could do a cavity filling as well as a pelvic exam during the same visit.

 

[CardioPlus]

Theoretically you could do a cavity filling as well as a pelvic exam during the same visit.

Yeah, it would be a combination of "drop your pants" and "open your mouth." 😎

OP, you could pretty much do anything a dentist and a DO could do at the same time lol if that interests you

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Yeah, it would be a combination of "drop your pants" and "open your mouth." 😎

OP, you could pretty much do anything a dentist and a DO could do at the same time lol if that interests you

I like that idea.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Aren't these for people who want to be oral surgeons?

 

[ceftazidime]

Yup, it's for those who want to go into oral maxillofacial surgery.

 

[kdizzy]

Yup, it's for those who want to go into oral maxillofacial surgery.

So would this make you more competitive for that residency spot? I guess one would get accepted into the "program" and then still have to match for oral maxillofacial surgery?

 

[drdion]

I am a DMD 20+ yrs...It seems the website is not specific about the reason for the dual degree, ie oral surgery etc. It does mention rural practitioners as the basis. I think it is geared toward anyone who wants the dual degree. EX: Case has a dual degree DMD,MD. That program is not geared toward oral surgery at all. It is geared toward a new type of dental practitioner with a stronger emphasis on medicine. There is some debate at this time about the possibility of making dentistry a sub-specialty of medicine. This is being fed by current research that is showing connections between oral health and diseases like diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

 

[kdizzy]

I am a DMD 20+ yrs...It seems the website is not specific about the reason for the dual degree, ie oral surgery etc. It does mention rural practitioners as the basis. I think it is geared toward anyone who wants the dual degree. EX: Case has a dual degree DMD,MD. That program is not geared toward oral surgery at all. It is geared toward a new type of dental practitioner with a stronger emphasis on medicine. There is some debate at this time about the possibility of making dentistry a sub-specialty of medicine. This is being fed by current research that is showing connections between oral health and diseases like diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

Very interesting. Do you think this combined degree will give the physician a leg up on applying to the maxillofacial surgery specialty or even to the otolaryngolgy surgery specialty?

 

[drdion]

yes..I would suspect it would make a DO more competitive to gain admission to an ENT specialty. ....It would also make a GP dentist more competitive to an OMFS residency. Keep in mind though that many OMFS residencies are 6 years with the 2nd and 3rd yr med school and 1 yr general surgery.

 

[kdizzy]

yes..I would suspect it would make a DO more competitive to gain admission to an ENT specialty. ....It would also make a GP dentist more competitive to an OMFS residency. Keep in mind though that many OMFS residencies are 6 years with the 2nd and 3rd yr med school and 1 yr general surgery.

Hmmm this presents an interesting situation then since the DO/DMD woudl have already gone through a 2nd and 3rd year of medi school so OMFS residencies might become shorter?

 

[TXDO]

Yeah, it would be a combination of "drop your pants" and "open your mouth." 😎

OP, you could pretty much do anything a dentist and a DO could do at the same time lol if that interests you

👍.

 

[drdion]

yes. KDIZZY..if all DMD/DDS programs granted a DO/MD degree in some fashion that would eliminate the need for OMFS residencies to be six yrs and would shorten it to 4 yrs across the board

 

[swamprat]

that curriculum looks rough

 

[JanikeyDoc]

That program is for people who want to become Maxillofacial Surgeons, which is a very lucrative field. Its also extremely difficult, you have to get both Medical and Dental Degrees and then go through a MaxFac surgical residency, this is one of the longest training programs in Medicine.

 

[NK1Positive]

I have always been told that Nova's program is geared towards the rural practitioner who finds themselves in a town where both medical and dental care are severely lacking. The Nova rep who visited the U of M even said this.

 

[drdion]

Yes, I agree. The Nova website explains it is intended for practitioners in a rural area where medical and dental services are lacking. This program is not geared toward the oral and maxillofacial speciality.

 

[kdizzy]

Sounds great guys thanks for all the help

 

[armorshell]

Note: A medical degree is in no way required to be an oral and maxillofacial surgeon. Some programs require it, but many programs are similar to other DDS specialties in that they only grant a certificate of completion. All OMFS programs integrate general surgery training.

 

[kdizzy]

Note: A medical degree is in no way required to be an oral and maxillofacial surgeon. Some programs require it, but many programs are similar to other DDS specialties in that they only grant a certificate of completion. All OMFS programs integrate general surgery training.

With both degrees would i be able to apply to both specialities in the medical field and dental field?

 

[armorshell]

With both degrees would i be able to apply to both specialities in the medical field and dental field?

Yes, but I presume you'd have to pass the relevant Step/COMLEX/NBDE exams to qualify for them.

 

[xflipx]

I know that this thread is old, but I figured it's better to resurrect an old thread than to clutter the site with a new one.

Here's the deal. I've been shadowing an MD/DDS OMS and have really loved it. He told me that the majority of Ortho & Maxillofacial Surgeons start in dental school and then do an OMS residency from dental school which includes part of med school year 2 and then years three and four can either be done separately, each in a typical year, or be combined in one year and then what would typically be considered the curriculum for a med residency would start with general surgery, neurosurgery, and then ortho & maxillofacial surgery.

When I asked him if one had to do the DDS degree first and then the medical training, he said no, there are a minority of OMS who do the "reverse route," starting with medical training and then doing dental training, but he had never heard of a DO/DDS before. Every search I've contrived to do on various search engines has proven fruitless. What I'm wondering is - has anyone ever heard of a DO/DDS before, would this be one of the residencies that would prefer to see USMLE scores instead of COMLEX scores? If anyone has any practical information for one who is seriously considering this path, I would be very grateful.

 

[GlimmerGlass]

I know that this thread is old, but I figured it's better to resurrect an old thread than to clutter the site with a new one.

Here's the deal. I've been shadowing an MD/DDS OMS and have really loved it. He told me that the majority of Ortho & Maxillofacial Surgeons start in dental school and then do an OMS residency from dental school which includes part of med school year 2 and then years three and four can either be done separately, each in a typical year, or be combined in one year and then what would typically be considered the curriculum for a med residency would start with general surgery, neurosurgery, and then ortho & maxillofacial surgery.

When I asked him if one had to do the DDS degree first and then the medical training, he said no, there are a minority of OMS who do the "reverse route," starting with medical training and then doing dental training, but he had never heard of a DO/DDS before. Every search I've contrived to do on various search engines has proven fruitless. What I'm wondering is - has anyone ever heard of a DO/DDS before, would this be one of the residencies that would prefer to see USMLE scores instead of COMLEX scores? If anyone has any practical information for one who is seriously considering this path, I would be very grateful.

I know several people who are doing this right now and all of them got their DDS first. I don't think many people do it reverse, if any?! Basically you have to complete all 4 years of dental school then apply and get accepted to the OMS program. Most schools with the program have only a few spots. Then you do 1 year gen surgery residency. Then complete the last 2 years of med school (MD) then do the OMS residency for several years. Completing the last 2 years of MD school is not usually mandatory, it is optional. But it IS mandatory to have a DDS/DMD degree. I have never heard of DDS/DO b/c to apply to the maxillo programs you have to already have your DDS and the program then grants you the MD through their affiliated medical school. If you are serious about this route I would strongly suggest you apply to and attend dental school first and you must do extremely well in class and on your boards (>90 percentile) since this is a very competitive specialty. If you went to medical school first then you would likely have to complete the 4 years of medical school and then separately apply to and be accepted to dental school and attend for 4 years (mind you repeating all your sciences). This route is much longer since you are tacking on 2 extra years of med school and then if you do not get into the specialty you have just spent your last years in dental school instead of doing a medical residency like your peers so you would undoubtedly be forced into being a dentist. Of course this is just my understanding of the topic from what I know from those in the field and perhaps others can share their knowledge if they have seen this done in "reverse" as you mentioned.

You could also go to DO school and go into ENT. If you have shadowed an OMS in surgery in a hospital then you may have noticed that they work with ENT's a lot since many times the injuries to the face also happen to the areas the ENT is responsible for. Starting as a DO this may be a good option.

Hope that helps 🙂

 

[DrMediterranean]

FYI Nova's program is not a DO/DDS program, it is a DO/DMD program. But the DMD/DDS degrees are equivalent, just like DO/MD are.

 

[drgioiadds]

DDS 2002 DO - c/o 2016 OMM is useful for TMJ patients; also the health of the oral cavity is influenced by your overall health. I'm not planning to use dentistry with my DO degree, but you could.