DO in US or MD in Carribeans

[MisterMagoo]

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Hello Everyone,
I was hoping to get some input on something that I have been trying to get some answers or more information on for awhile now. I was wondering how does getting your DO in an American school compare to getting an MD from a foreign medical school such as those found in the Carribean. I understand that both put you at a disadvantage when applying for residencies, but I was wondering if the MD from a Carribean school is considered to be more competitive than a DO from an American school. Thanks a lot for your help and I appreciate the input. Cheers!

 

[Nate]

Hmmm... get a medical degree in the US or get a medical degree in another country to practice in the US. Tough one, you're on your own sorry.

 

[supersash]

i am not sure about the competitive-ness (if that is even a word!) of either program, but i think in applying to DO schools, it is important to really WANT to be a DO.

and in the same case, if you want to be an MD, it makes more sense to go to the carribbean and get your MD.

from what i've learned, how you do in med school, and your boards also have a lot to do with residency. but i am a newbie, so lets see what everyone else has to say! 🙂

good luck!

 

[ambernikel]

I honestly feel that DO's are very delineated especially in the midwest. Realize that the residencies in the US will want doctors from the US. Notice I said doctors not necessarily MDs. I know many DO's and they are excellent doctors with competitive salaries and work side by side with MDs. I'm sure there are programs that prefer MDs or whatever, but I haven't heard any DO's not getting their residency choice just because of being DO. Another thing to check would be to look at the residency match lists for some of the schools you are interested in.

Although I know there are plenty on here who probably have tons to say about DO's not getting into a residency or whatever. I still think that DO's generally match well and definitely better than foreign students. I also think if you look at the facts you'll be pleasantly surprised.

As far as working and being disrespected... I have heard of prejudice between the two sides (mainly in other geographic areas) but I have never ever witnessed it!

If I were you I would shadow a DO and read up on the osteopathic literature. Really consider this before going out of country for school. If you are still unsure go take a tour of an osteopathic school. I think you will find that DO and MD schools are quite similar.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Hello Everyone,
I was hoping to get some input on something that I have been trying to get some answers or more information on for awhile now. I was wondering how does getting your DO in an American school compare to getting an MD from a foreign medical school such as those found in the Carribean. I understand that both put you at a disadvantage when applying for residencies, but I was wondering if the MD from a Carribean school is considered to be more competitive than a DO from an American school. Thanks a lot for your help and I appreciate the input. Cheers!

Foreign Medical Graduates have more disadvantages. Some of these schools don't even require an MCAT score, and a large portion of them have substandard education. All DO schools have certain U.S. standards to abide by.

In addition, you will find USMLE pass rates much greater for DO students than FMG's.

 

[Shodddy18]

Hello Everyone,
I was hoping to get some input on something that I have been trying to get some answers or more information on for awhile now. I was wondering how does getting your DO in an American school compare to getting an MD from a foreign medical school such as those found in the Carribean. I understand that both put you at a disadvantage when applying for residencies, but I was wondering if the MD from a Carribean school is considered to be more competitive than a DO from an American school. Thanks a lot for your help and I appreciate the input. Cheers!

Stinky troll... go away.......AWAY I SAID 👎

 

[Raven Feather]

You know what? I think a lot of premeds make a bigger issue over the MD vs DO than practicing DOs and MDs. In the grand scheme of things, when one is a practicing physician NOBODY CARES. Trust me on this one! I have never heard a patient or a doctor question the earned title. If you are a doctor, you are a doctor.

Now, as far as residency, it may be true for *some* programs to give prefence to MDs (United States MDs anyway)--but I think the majore determining factor is your board scores.

 

[MisterMagoo]

Stinky troll... go away.......AWAY I SAID 👎

I appologize Shodddy18, but I am not trying to incite any conflicts or arguments. I was just hoping to get some input to help guide me. Right now, any advice would be appreciated because this is something that I'm having questions about. Thanks.

 

[supersash]

I have never heard a patient or a doctor question the earned title. If you are a doctor, you are a doctor.

i disagree with this, even though i too am a pre-do student. i work in an OB/GYN office with 5 doctors, and one is a DO, and patients have said they do not want to see the DO, bc they are not a "medical doctor". i know it is because they are uneducated (and if they get me on the phone, they get a huge lesson in osteopathic medicine), but it is true that some people do shy away from physicians that are DO's.

i dont say this to make anyone not want to be a DO, because i want to be a DO! i live right outside of NYC too, so you would think people would be smarter, but there are always closeminded ignorant people!

 

[skypilot]

i disagree with this, even though i too am a pre-do student. i work in an OB/GYN office with 5 doctors, and one is a DO, and patients have said they do not want to see the DO, bc they are not a "medical doctor". i know it is because they are uneducated (and if they get me on the phone, they get a huge lesson in osteopathic medicine), but it is true that some people do shy away from physicians that are DO's.

i dont say this to make anyone not want to be a DO, because i want to be a DO! i live right outside of NYC too, so you would think people would be smarter, but there are always closeminded ignorant people!

Are you saying the DO doesn't have enough patients? I doubt it. There are always a few patients who will discriminate because of your ethnicity, your sex, your race, or because you didn't go to Harvard. Don't worry about it. If they are discriminating because you have a D.O. degree instead of an M.D. you just need to explain to them that the degree is the same. (almost like DMD vs. DDS)

 

[supersash]

Are you saying the DO doesn't have enough patients? I doubt it. There are always a few patients who will discriminate because of your ethnicity, your sex, your race, or because you didn't go to Harvard. Don't worry about it. If they are discriminating because you have a D.O. degree instead of an M.D. you just need to explain to them that the degree is the same. (almost like DMD vs. DDS)

i didnt say anything about the number of patients the doctor has. but there have been multiple patients who have explicitly said they did NOT want to see the DO.

and like i said in the original post, i explain it to them, and some people are stubborn, and don't care what i say.

i am not bashing DO's in anyway, i want to be a DO too! i am just giving some real life experience.

 

[vtrain]

You know what? I think a lot of premeds make a bigger issue over the MD vs DO than practicing DOs and MDs. In the grand scheme of things, when one is a practicing physician NOBODY CARES. Trust me on this one! I have never heard a patient or a doctor question the earned title. If you are a doctor, you are a doctor.

Now, as far as residency, it may be true for *some* programs to give prefence to MDs (United States MDs anyway)--but I think the majore determining factor is your board scores.

Very true. Well said. At the end of the day, NO ONE CARES. But when residencies are concerned, you are at a disadvantage being both a DO and FMG, but to say which is more disadvantageous is impossible to determine. However, DO, do have DO residencies, which I suppose would give more options to apply.

 

[OSUdoc08]

i didnt say anything about the number of patients the doctor has. but there have been multiple patients who have explicitly said they did NOT want to see the DO.

and like i said in the original post, i explain it to them, and some people are stubborn, and don't care what i say.

i am not bashing DO's in anyway, i want to be a DO too! i am just giving some real life experience.

In most cases, patients don't get to choose their physician. In the case of those that are educated about DO's, you will find they more often than not prefer DO's.

Don't speak about matters with which you have no experience.

 

[ambernikel]

i disagree with this, even though i too am a pre-do student. i work in an OB/GYN office with 5 doctors, and one is a DO, and patients have said they do not want to see the DO, bc they are not a "medical doctor". i know it is because they are uneducated (and if they get me on the phone, they get a huge lesson in osteopathic medicine), but it is true that some people do shy away from physicians that are DO's.

i dont say this to make anyone not want to be a DO, because i want to be a DO! i live right outside of NYC too, so you would think people would be smarter, but there are always closeminded ignorant people!

I see more patients who say they PREFER a DO to an MD.

 

[supersash]

In most cases, patients don't get to choose their physician. In the case of those that are educated about DO's, you will find they more often than not prefer DO's.

Don't speak about matters with which you have no experience.

there's no need to be so rude, i was simply stating MY experiences. where i live, you have a huge choice of doctors, so your statement saying patients don't get to choose their physician is ludicrous to me!

many people do choose DO's over MD's, i am just stating that is not always the case. since i want to be a DO too, i was kind of playing devil's advocate for someone who was asking for opinions.

i'm not in this board to argue, so let's just get back to the point of the post 🙂

 

[Raven Feather]

there's no need to be so rude, i was simply stating MY experiences. where i live, you have a huge choice of doctors, so your statement saying patients don't get to choose their physician is ludicrous to me!

many people do choose DO's over MD's, i am just stating that is not always the case. since i want to be a DO too, i was kind of playing devil's advocate for someone who was asking for opinions.

i'm not in this board to argue, so let's just get back to the point of the post 🙂

I'm not gonna bash you, you were reflecting upon your own experience and I was reflecting on mine. I live in the Midwest. Have been a nurse for 6 years and NEVER has any patient questioned about seeing/being seen by a D.O. We have D.O. and M.D. specialists at our hosptial.

Now, yes, if a patient questions it, then it is pretty obvious they just don't know there is hardly a difference. My question is now, I wonder then, if they would refuse an N.P., because MANY docs have them seeing their low complexity patients.

 

[medhacker]

I'm not gonna bash you, you were reflecting upon your own experience and I was reflecting on mine. I live in the Midwest. Have been a nurse for 6 years and NEVER has any patient questioned about seeing/being seen by a D.O. We have D.O. and M.D. specialists at our hosptial.

Now, yes, if a patient questions it, then it is pretty obvious they just don't know there is hardly a difference. My question is now, I wonder then, if they would refuse an N.P., because MANY docs have them seeing their low complexity patients.

shoot, some patients refuse to be seen by P.A.s, believe you me! so go figure!

 

[cfdavid]

i disagree with this, even though i too am a pre-do student. i work in an OB/GYN office with 5 doctors, and one is a DO, and patients have said they do not want to see the DO, bc they are not a "medical doctor". i know it is because they are uneducated (and if they get me on the phone, they get a huge lesson in osteopathic medicine), but it is true that some people do shy away from physicians that are DO's.

i dont say this to make anyone not want to be a DO, because i want to be a DO! i live right outside of NYC too, so you would think people would be smarter, but there are always closeminded ignorant people!

I would have to guess that these are majorily older patients.

 

[DrFeelgoodDO]

there's no need to be so rude, i was simply stating MY experiences. where i live, you have a huge choice of doctors, so your statement saying patients don't get to choose their physician is ludicrous to me!

many people do choose DO's over MD's, i am just stating that is not always the case. since i want to be a DO too, i was kind of playing devil's advocate for someone who was asking for opinions.

i'm not in this board to argue, so let's just get back to the point of the post 🙂

You are talking to the wall in this particular situation, sash. I am a second year IM resident at the Univ. Oklahoma. I was trained at UMDNJ-SOM. I grew up in Jersey. I HAVE experience.....I have seen both situations. People DO choose their docs in many situations - not all, but many. No need to get all fired up; your point was def. well taken.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

shoot, some patients refuse to be seen by P.A.s, believe you me! so go figure!

Im one of them.

I was misdiagnosed by a PA even after I told them what was wrong and what meds I needed (I was 99% sure I had strep) that I ended up landing in the ER due to the pain.


I will never go to a PA

 

[sunnyjohn]

OP,

Since I see you are a new poster, I will be kind and give you the benefit of the doubt.

DO=Doctor
Caribbean MD= Doctor

Please do a search. You will find lots of great threads on this topic.

No need to flog the horse.

Goof fortune.

 

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Hello Everyone,
I was hoping to get some input on something that I have been trying to get some answers or more information on for awhile now. I was wondering how does getting your DO in an American school compare to getting an MD from a foreign medical school such as those found in the Carribean. I understand that both put you at a disadvantage when applying for residencies, but I was wondering if the MD from a Carribean school is considered to be more competitive than a DO from an American school. Thanks a lot for your help and I appreciate the input. Cheers!

I had the same option, I chose MD in overseas school and I am happy with the decision.

Try practicing in states like Texas and PA with a DO.....its tough!

 

[cee]

Hello Everyone,
I was hoping to get some input on something that I have been trying to get some answers or more information on for awhile now. I was wondering how does getting your DO in an American school compare to getting an MD from a foreign medical school such as those found in the Carribean. I understand that both put you at a disadvantage when applying for residencies, but I was wondering if the MD from a Carribean school is considered to be more competitive than a DO from an American school. Thanks a lot for your help and I appreciate the input. Cheers!

if i were you, i'd only apply to foreign medical schools. i'm applying to all the DO schools in 2006 and the less competition for me, the better.. so ya, dont bother with those DO schools (or any school that I apply to, for that matter)

 

[Echinoidea]

I had the same option, I chose MD in overseas school and I am happy with the decision.

Try practicing in states like Texas and PA with a DO.....its tough!

How is it tough? It's an honest question...I'm not trying to flame you. I have a hard time believing that a DO has any difficulty practicing in Texas, which has its own very well regarded state Osteopathic school, and Pennsylvania, which is supersaturated with DO's (2 schools, another on the way)

 

[sunnyjohn]

I had the same option, I chose MD in overseas school and I am happy with the decision.

Try practicing in states like Texas and PA with a DO.....its tough!

Texas has one of the best DO schools in the country right there in DFW. I've worked with more than a few fine DO's at Parkland, St Paul's, Baylor, Children's Medical Center, Zale Lipshy, UTSW and all of the other fine hospitals in the area.

Go to the school where you wil be happiest.

Go to the school that best suits your present needs and future goals.

 

[mizzoudude]

I had the same option, I chose MD in overseas school and I am happy with the decision.

Try practicing in states like Texas and PA with a DO.....its tough!

Try this site http://www.osteopathic.org/directory.cfm

and type in TX....you will find 2014 practicing D.O's in TX

type in PA....you will find 4196 practicing D.O's in PA

 

[Shinken]

Try practicing in states like Texas and PA with a DO.....its tough!

That's such a ludicrous statement I don't even know where to begin dismantling it...

SDN...a nice break from the real world.

 

[EMTLizzy]

Im one of them.

I was misdiagnosed by a PA even after I told them what was wrong and what meds I needed (I was 99% sure I had strep) that I ended up landing in the ER due to the pain.


I will never go to a PA

So if you were misdiagnosed by a doctor once would you stop going to them too? 🙄

 

[BluesClues32]

As a PA resident, I know for sure that there are many DOs that practice in Western PA. In fact, my parents have been patients of DOs on several occasions (and didn't realize it until I pointed it out). I can't speak for the entire state, but if you want to practice near Pittsburgh, you will be surrounded by many other DOs.

On the otherhand, my next door neighbor studied medicine in Italy because he had trouble getting into a US school (probably 35 years ago). He is very successful in his practice.

My advice...you will do well at any school if you are ambitious and take advantage of the opportunies available. Just find a place where you are happy. 🙂

 

[medhacker]

Try this site http://www.osteopathic.org/directory.cfm

and type in TX....you will find 2014 practicing D.O's in TX

type in PA....you will find 4196 practicing D.O's in PA

And not all DOs appear there on top of that

 

[Ski2Doc]

i disagree with this, even though i too am a pre-do student. i work in an OB/GYN office with 5 doctors, and one is a DO, and patients have said they do not want to see the DO, bc they are not a "medical doctor". i know it is because they are uneducated (and if they get me on the phone, they get a huge lesson in osteopathic medicine), but it is true that some people do shy away from physicians that are DO's.

i dont say this to make anyone not want to be a DO, because i want to be a DO! i live right outside of NYC too, so you would think people would be smarter, but there are always closeminded ignorant people!

While some ppl dont know about DO's, most patients dont realize the initials, and they dont care.
However, those that DO know the difference, would prefer DO's. Since, unlike MD's, they have a concrete advantage of being able to treat the patient w/o drugs via manipulation.
Manipulation works, it is a FACT, (NE Journal of Medicine, Nov 4, 1999 - i am not sure about the Nov part). It is MUCH cheaper that pain alleviating drugs and obviously preffered by patients as it has no side effects.
This study focuse on back pain, in particular, it affects ALOT of ppl.
Some DO's say OMM cures everything. This is BS, it cant cure cancer or aids, but it may help your body try to fight these on your own.
Anywyas for alot of chronic pain ppl prefer DO's.

Regarding residency, i have researched this ALOT. Many US residency programs get federal and state funding for US graduates (MD or DO). They dont for FMG's, so they wont take you, period. Not all but many.

Also life is MUCH more of a pain living on a crappy island, even the good ones dont compare to life in the good old us of a.

The only annoying thing with the DO is that you almost HAVE to take both sets of boards (USMLE and COMLEX) to attain a good residency.
This is NOT b/c they dont trust the DO boards but b/c they have no way of comparing you to an MD. The USMLE evens the playing field.


I got in to 2 DO schools, have 4 more interviews at DO, had and had 2 MD interviews (dont know in ornot yet)


Good luck, stay American and be proud of it.

 

[DrFeelgoodDO]

Im one of them.

I was misdiagnosed by a PA even after I told them what was wrong and what meds I needed (I was 99% sure I had strep) that I ended up landing in the ER due to the pain.


I will never go to a PA

Not trying to be a dick, but....

a) how were you sure about the fact that you had strep?

b) did that PA do any type testing like a throat culture and/or rapid strep?

3) If not, was it ever confirmed that you did indeed have strep?

4) You went to the ER b/c of the pain? Really? Wow.

Either you had a REALLY bad PA, or you didn't have strep.

 

[allendo]

Try this site http://www.osteopathic.org/directory.cfm

and type in TX....you will find 2014 practicing D.O's in TX

type in PA....you will find 4196 practicing D.O's in PA

Try practicing in TX as a carrib grad! You can't b/c I have two friends in the carrib right now that know they will not be allowed to. The head of the medical board in TX is a D.O. So your statements are WRONGGGGGG!

 

[bulletproof]

Try practicing in TX as a carrib grad! You can't b/c I have two friends in the carrib right now that know they will not be allowed to. The head of the medical board in TX is a D.O. So your statements are WRONGGGGGG!

The above may pertain to some carribean schools. Ross is not on of them. Last Year it gained approval for licensing graduates in the state of texas. This was the last hold out. Ross graduates can and do practice in every single state in the entire U.S.
To the OP, go the route you are most happy with. I am a third year Ross student and am very happy with my choice. Others would preferentially choose a DO school. You will get out of your medical education what you put into it, and people will judge you moreso based on your personality, professionalism and level of competence. These attributes, generally speaking, are more indicative of your character and your commitment than they are of the BASIC knowledge acquired at any medical school. Good luck in your decisions.
P.s. Anyone who judges anyone based on where they go to school ( ie. not taking their objective qualities/ skills into consideration) is not worth the afterthought anyways.

 

[Raven Feather]

The above may pertain to some carribean schools. Ross is not on of them. Last Year it gained approval for licensing graduates in the state of texas. This was the last hold out. Ross graduates can and do practice in every single state in the entire U.S.
To the OP, go the route you are most happy with. I am a third year Ross student and am very happy with my choice. Others would preferentially choose a DO school. You will get out of your medical education what you put into it, and people will judge you moreso based on your personality, professionalism and level of competence. These attributes, generally speaking, are more indicative of your character and your commitment than they are of the BASIC knowledge acquired at any medical school. Good luck in your decisions.
P.s. Anyone who judges anyone based on where they go to school ( ie. not taking their objective qualities/ skills into consideration) is not worth the afterthought anyways.

My current primary care doc went to Ross, I chose him after my D.O. moved. He is a great doc!

 

[drgreeneatutk]

OP,
I am a medical technology student right now at UT knoxville and my immunology instructor is the head of UT's graduate school of medicine's pathology department. Now this is only one example, but he personally (as I asked him for an LOR) told me that when they matched their residents they did not consider MD or DO any different, matched them based on boards, and LOR's mainly. Their top match this year was a DO from WVSOM. However he did say US grads were far ahead of FMG's. Like I said, it's only I particular example but from my experience and research, a DO is a much better idea than a out of country MD

 

[crys20]

I wonder if the people who ask carib MD vs US DO have ever interviewed at a DO school. I just got back from two; DMU and AZCOM. Both schools were incredible. Beautiful, with amazing board scores and match lists, both with amazing facilities and quality teaching faculty.

After my AZCOM interview, I am pretty sure that's where I'll go. The school was so wonderful, beautiful and I got such a good feeling there for a variety of reasons. I'm almost positivie I'll choose it over any US allo school invites I get. I'm not a great applicant, but I got a 30. DO will definately, for me, be by choice.

If you would really be unhappy studying OMM and having the letters DO after your name, there's your answer. But I think the clear objective choice is obvious, it's been concluded time and time again in all these similar threads.

 

[okayplayer]

I wonder if the people who ask carib MD vs US DO have ever interviewed at a DO school. I just got back from two; DMU and AZCOM. Both schools were incredible. Beautiful, with amazing board scores and match lists, both with amazing facilities and quality teaching faculty.

After my AZCOM interview, I am pretty sure that's where I'll go. The school was so wonderful, beautiful and I got such a good feeling there for a variety of reasons. I'm almost positivie I'll choose it over any US allo school invites I get. I'm not a great applicant, but I got a 30. DO will definately, for me, be by choice.

If you would really be unhappy studying OMM and having the letters DO after your name, there's your answer. But I think the clear objective choice is obvious, it's been concluded time and time again in all these similar threads.

I'm so glad you felt this way too, Crystal! I was extremely impressed by AZCOM. The facilities are all new and very nice, but, more than that, all of the people I met were smart, personable, and, especially, laidback. I also really enjoyed a lot of the people we interviewed with in our group. Just a great group of dedicated and intelligent people with very diverse and interesting backgrounds.

I'm going to be hard-pressed to pick a school over AZCOM at this point, too. I think it would take UW for me, or perhaps OHSU. The combination of staying near the West Coast, and at such a top notch school is really impressive to me.

The board scores at the school really speak for themselves. I was pretty much blown away by how much better the school is than any other DO school as far as board pass rates.

 

[Raven Feather]

I'm so glad you felt this way too, Crystal! I was extremely impressed by AZCOM. The facilities are all new and very nice, but, more than that, all of the people I met were smart, personable, and, especially, laidback. I also really enjoyed a lot of the people we interviewed with in our group. Just a great group of dedicated and intelligent people with very diverse and interesting backgrounds.

I'm going to be hard-pressed to pick a school over AZCOM at this point, too. I think it would take UW for me, or perhaps OHSU. The combination of staying near the West Coast, and at such a top notch school is really impressive to me.

The board scores at the school really speak for themselves. I was pretty much blown away by how much better the school is than any other DO school as far as board pass rates.

I know I am now officially off the topic, but what are the board pass rates for AZCOM?

 

[USArmyDoc]

I know I am now officially off the topic, but what are the board pass rates for AZCOM?

I can't see them blowing away KCUMB. I remember them saying they have a 96% pass rate. Can you get much better than that?

 

[DrMom]

OSU class of 2006 had 100% pass rate and 2007 had 99%

There are other schools with averages well into the 90s.

 

[jwilson.md]

I appologize Shodddy18, but I am not trying to incite any conflicts or arguments. I was just hoping to get some input to help guide me. Right now, any advice would be appreciated because this is something that I'm having questions about. Thanks.

No need to apologize, Magoo. The osteopaths & osteopath-wannabees get very worked up about this topic for no reason whatsoever. I would go DO if I were you. Unless you can get into one of the better Caribbean schools, which tend to have better match lists than the osteopath schools. But if you just want primary care, go to a state DO school. My sister did, and she loves it.

 

[crys20]

COMLEX 1 in October 2004: AZCOM = 100%, all other COMS = 69.1%
COMLEX 1 in June 2005: AZCOM = 96%, all other COMS = 90.5%

2003 school passing rates COMLEX 1: AZCOM = 99%, the next highest school is 97% and they go all the way down to 76%.

COMLEX 2 January 2005: AZCOM = 99%, All other COMS = 91.5%

2003 school passing rates COMLEX 2: AZCOM = 100%, next is 99%, one 98% and then down from there to 86%.

Just a little data from my interview packet 🙂

 

[USArmyDoc]

No need to apologize, Magoo. The osteopaths & osteopath-wannabees get very worked up about this topic for no reason whatsoever. I would go DO if I were you. Unless you can get into one of the better Caribbean schools, which tend to have better match lists than the osteopath schools. But if you just want primary care, go to a state DO school. My sister did, and she loves it.

I don't know if I believe that statement. First off, most DO students want to go into primary care but from knowing many physicians who deal with residencies, they do not look nicely upon FMG's. Sorry

 

[jwilson.md]

OSU class of 2006 had 100% pass rate and 2007 had 99%

There are other schools with averages well into the 90s.

Just FYI, these are probably the osteopath (comlex ?) boards which are scaled to make sure >98% of the osteopaths pass. Not the MD boards, which the osteopaths do very poorly on (~70% pass rate?). My understanding is that if you are an osteopath then don't take the MD boards if you can avoid it, because unless you do very well you probably won't match into a decent MD program anyway.

 

[crys20]

Jwilson, have you seen the AAMC's table showing the pass rates for US MDs, US DOs, and FMGs on Step 1? Take a look. US DOs consistantly perform in the high 70s, whereas FMGs are in the 60s. That's rough.

Your "understanding" is a bit off. 99% of kids pass the USMLEs at allo schools; are they "scaled back" to make sure that allo kids pass?

 

[jwilson.md]

Jwilson, have you seen the AAMC's table showing the pass rates for US MDs, US DOs, and FMGs on Step 1? Take a look. US DOs consistantly perform in the high 70s, whereas FMGs are in the 60s. That's rough.

Your "understanding" is a bit off. 99% of kids pass the USMLEs at allo schools; are they "scaled back" to make sure that allo kids pass?

Yes, actually the allopathic licensing exams are scaled to make sure a certain percentage of allopathic senior pass. It's kind of funny that that's surprising to you. And still only about 70% of the osteopaths pass it. And these are generally the osteopath gunners. The low-level ones don't even bother to take it; otherwise the pass rate for osteopaths would be around ~40%.

FMG's are by far the worse. That's why anyone considering foreign should only even think about the top 3 (big 3) Caribbean schools. They tend to do extremely well on the allopathic boards (~90% pass rate).

And, finally, I've got to give a shout out to my sis Mindy! Doesn't this conversation remind you of our 4th of July family dinner talk girl? Git back to the book🙂 luv ya.

 

[N1DERL&]

Someone asked about doing a DO vs a Carribean MD in our class, pros and cons.

The doctor said there aren't any fellowships in osteopathic medicine. Is that correct?

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Yes, actually the allopathic licensing exams are scaled to make sure a certain percentage of allopathic senior pass. It's kind of funny that that's surprising to you. And still only about 70% of the osteopaths pass it. And these are generally the osteopath gunners. The low-level ones don't even bother to take it; otherwise the pass rate for osteopaths would be around ~40%.

FMG's are by far the worse. That's why anyone considering foreign should only even think about the top 3 (big 3) Caribbean schools. They tend to do extremely well on the allopathic boards (~90% pass rate).

And, finally, I've got to give a shout out to my sis Mindy! Doesn't this conversation remind you of our 4th of July family dinner talk girl? Git back to the book🙂 luv ya.

if you're not a troll, i feel truly sorry for your sister. of course, you are a troll, so whatever.

 

[DrFeelgoodDO]

OSU class of 2006 had 100% pass rate and 2007 had 99%

There are other schools with averages well into the 90s.

I'm sick of seeing these numbers from your school. You guys are all worried about pass rates. Who cares? What is the AVERAGE score from OSU, AZCOM, or any other DO school?

To anyone who reads this, keep this one simple thing in mind....my left nut can get a 405 (which is passing...whooptie f*ckin' doodle DOO!!) on Step I or on any step of COMLEX. But try getting a 605 or better yet a 705. That's a whole different story.