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Is that only for the NY campus or both campuses?NYITCOM match list
Edit: I'm guessing NY campus judging by all these NE matches.
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Is that only for the NY campus or both campuses?NYITCOM match list
Lots of psychiatry on here. Nice. Hope that helps the people wanting to go into it as a lot are saying it’s ultra competitive now.
That's a meme. It's never going to be "ultra-competitive" to the point where it reaches surgery competitiveness, or even something like DR competitiveness. It's just going to be more competitive than what it was before, which was not that competitive...
Gold plated Yeezy’s
Wow...what a match.NYITCOM match list
Psych is not competitive. Some of the weakest, most socially awkward people in my class matched psych this year.Lots of psychiatry on here. Nice. Hope that helps the people wanting to go into it as a lot are saying it’s ultra competitive now.
Wow...what a match.
Dermatology at University of Vermont
IR at Emory and UIowa
Neurosurgery at NYMC/Westchester
Ortho at SUNY HSC Brooklyn
Urology and ENT at Rutgers
Vascular Surgery at Mayo (MN).
I was about to say, 2 MD ortho matches is impressiveAlso General Surgery at Montefiore, Ortho at Atlanta Medical Center (MD program)
Incomplete NSU Matches(Will update as it goes)
Anesthesiology
University of Miami/Jackson Memorial
University of Miami/Jackson Memorial
University of Miami/Jackson Memorial
University of Texas, Houston
UF Jacksonville
Mayo Clinic Florida
Kendall Regional
Ocala Regional Medical Center
Dermatology
Larkin
Beaumont Treton
Diagnostic Radiology
University of South Florida
Cooper
Medical College of Georgia
Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center
Aventura Hospital
Mayo Clinic FL
Hartford Hospital
Emergency Medicine
John Hopkins
Penn State
Medical College of Georgia
UCONN
Albany
Kendall Regional
Morristown Medical Center
Cape Fear Valley
NYC Health + Hospitals/Metropolitan
Mercy Health - St. Rita's Medical Center
Family Medicine
Morristown Medical Center
Broward General
Fort Belvoir Community Hospital
LSU Health Shreveport
Palmetto General Hospital
General Surgery
UT San Antonio
Beaumont Health (not sure which campus yet)
Hackensack Meridian Health Palisades Medical Center
Internal Medicine
Cleveland Clinic Florida
Florida Atlantic Univeristy
Georgetown
Loma Linda
Cooper
Oschner Clinic
UCONN
UTMB
UTMB
Palmetto General
Palmetto General
Palmetto General
Carillion Clinic
Mount Sinai Medical Center
Mount Sinai Medical Center
University of Miami- Holy Cross
Valley Hospital Medical Center
Legacy Emanuel Medical Center
Grand Strand Medical Center
Aventura Hospital
Baylor Scott & White Medical Center - Round Rock
OBGYN
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center
Garden City Hospital
Mount Sinai Medical Center
University of Houston
St. Joseph Mercy Oakland
Ophthalmology
Medical College of Georgia
John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital of Cook County
Ortho
University of Colorado
Broward General
Broward General
Rowan University
Northwell Plainview
Valley Hospital Medical Center
Neurology
OHSU
UF Gainesville
MCW
Pathology
Cornell
MUSC
Pediatrics
University of Southern California
University of Miami/Jackson Memorial
University of Miami/Jackson Memorial
University of Miami/Jackson Memorial
Nicklaus Children's
Nicklaus Children's
Nicklaus Children's
Nicklaus Children's
Nicklaus Children's
University of South Florida
UF Gainesville
PM&R
University of Miami/Jackson Memorial
UT San Antonio
University of South Florida
Memorial Regional
Memorial Health University Medical Center
Psychiatry
UF Gainesville
University Hospital and Medical Center
UCF- Gainesville
Urology
UT San Antonio
Vascular Surgery
University of Arkansas
LOL we dont know if thats the right way of going about this, because there is NO way to know if the people who didn't match at a so called "Top 10 metro area" actually wanted to be in a top 10 metro area, I mean for an example, someone might choose UT dell in austin over JPS in Dallas or a program in Jacksonville over one in miami, i dont think people make their decisions based on if its a "top 10 metro area", there are many other factors that go into this. Also overall there were way more than 125 DO psych matches as the NRMP 2020 match data shows 335 psych matches so overall its prbly on par with the other specialties.Because I literally had nothing to do today...
PURPOSE: To determine how difficult it is for a DO to match into a competitive urban area in psychiatry, as compared to other specialties.
HYPOTHESIS: the difficulty of matching psychiatry in competitive areas is comparable to that of specialties more traditionally thought to be competitive. Results are reported as # of DO applicants who matched that specialty in a competitive area, divided by total reported osteopathic matches in that specialty, (x100). This number is then compared to the % of residency programs of that specialty in major metro areas.
METHODS: All match lists in this first post of this thread were reviewed. “In a competitive city” was defined as: within 35 miles (as the crow flies) of the city center of a city listed in the top 10 metropolitan areas of the USA (approximating a 1 hr drive). This was measured with google maps scale tool. The cities are, as per wiki: NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas/Ft Worth, Houston, DC, Miami, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Boston.
Specialties considered here were Psychiatry, Anesthesia, OB/GYN, Diagnostic Radiology, Orthopedic Surgery, and General Surgery. All residency programs found on match lists which could not be identified given poor naming (e.g. “university hospital,” “Mt Sinai” etc) were counted toward total matches but not toward “competitive metro area matches.” This was also done for military matches, including those that would have fallen within these metro areas. The total number of programs in each specialty in a competitive area were divided by the total number of DO matches reported within that specialty to give a percentage. For total number of programs and their locations, AAMC lists of participating residency programs were reviewed.
LIMITATIONS: Only match lists listed on the first page were used, many of which were highly incomplete and unverified. 35 miles is a relatively arbitrary benchmark and distances were measured using google maps. This does not take into account how many program PGY1 spots are actually located within competitive cities- it was assumed they would average out. No applicant data was used. No statistical analysis was completed.
RESULTS
Psychiatry:
-13 matches in top 10 metro areas.
-125 total matches reported
-10.4% of psych matches fell within in a top-10 metro area.
-236 Psychiatry programs in USA
-72 programs are located in the top 10 cities
-30.5% of psychiatry programs are in top 10 US cities.
Anesthesia
-32 matches in a top 10 metro area
-136 total gas matches reported
-23.5% of gas matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-140 gas programs in USA
-48 gas programs in top 10 metro areas
-34.3% of gas programs are in top 10 areas
Diagnostic Radiology
-16 matches in a top 10 metro area
-49 DR matches reported
-32.6% of DR matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-180 total DR programs in USA
-59 DR programs in top 10 metro areas
-32.8% of DR programs are in top 10 metro areas
General Surgery
-20 matches in a top 10 metro area
-87 GS matches reported
-22.9% of GS matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-282 total GS programs
-87 GS programs in top 10 metro areas
-30.8% of GS programs are in top 10 metro areas
OB/GYN
-18 matches in a top 10 metro area
-99 OB/GYN matches reported
-18.2% of OB/GYN matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-263 OB/GYN programs in USA
-82 programs are located in a top 10 metro area
-31.1% of OB/GYN programs are in a top 10 metro area
Orthopedic Surgery
-14 matches in a top 10 metro area
-56 ortho matches reported
-25% of Ortho matches were in a top 10 metro area
-176 ortho programs in USA
-46 ortho programs in a top 10 metro area
-26.1% of ortho programs in a top 10 metro area
EM
-56 matches in a top 10 metro area
-221 total EM matches reported
-25.3% of EM matches were in a top 10 metro area
-250 total EM programs
-65 EM programs in top 10 areas
-26% of total EM programs in top 10 areas.
DISCUSSION
Despite the seeming ease at which DOs are matching psychiatry, these findings suggest that, moreso than any other specialty considered here, DOs are widely shut out from competitive urban areas for residency. Despite 30.5% of psychiatry residency programs being located in a major metro area, only 10.4% of DOs who matched psychiatry matched in one of these areas, a ratio of approximately 3:1.
OB/GYN showed the next-largest “urban bias,” with 18.2% osteopathic OB/GYN matches occurring in a major metro area, despite 31.1% of OB/GYN programs being located in such an area.
Anesthesia and GS were intermediate.
EM, DR, and Ortho were practically 1:1, suggesting a less regional nature to any bias.
Also overall there were way more than 125 DO psych matches as the NRMP 2020 match data shows 335 psych matches so overall its prbly on par with the other specialties.
That’s quite a statement. Seems like my sample size is over 1/3rd of the total. POP QUIZ: what type of analysis would you use to determine if my findings were statistically significant, or due to sampling error, as you seem to suggest? T-test, Chi square, or ANOVA? Seriously, I don’t know.
LMU-DCOM
IR at MichiganLMU-DCOM
Is UChicago IM match at Nortshore?
Edit: I think its Northshore because the UC IM twitter page doesn't list a DO on their incoming class of residents
DO selection bias. Most of my class doesnt care where they match as long as its the specialty they want. also, most my class isnt from any of those top 10 cities. Most people just want to practice where they came from.Because I literally had nothing to do today...
EDIT: Introduced the “Newport Factor!”
PURPOSE: To determine how difficult it is for a DO to match into a competitive urban area in psychiatry, as compared to other specialties.
HYPOTHESIS: the difficulty of matching psychiatry in competitive areas is comparable to that of specialties more traditionally thought to be competitive. Results are reported as # of DO applicants who matched that specialty in a competitive area, divided by total reported osteopathic matches in that specialty, (x100). This number is then compared to the % of residency programs of that specialty in major metro areas.
METHODS: All match lists in this first post of this thread were reviewed. “In a competitive city” was defined as: within 35 miles (as the crow flies) of the city center of a city listed in the top 10 metropolitan areas of the USA (approximating a 1 hr drive). This was measured with google maps scale tool. The cities are, as per wiki: NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas/Ft Worth, Houston, DC, Miami, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Boston.
Specialties considered here were Psychiatry, Anesthesia, OB/GYN, Diagnostic Radiology, Orthopedic Surgery, and General Surgery. All residency programs found on match lists which could not be identified given poor naming (e.g. “university hospital,” “Mt Sinai” etc) were counted toward total matches but not toward “competitive metro area matches.” This was also done for military matches, including those that would have fallen within these metro areas. For total number of programs and their locations, AAMC lists of participating residency programs were reviewed.
Specialties are graded with a “Newport factor,” which is equivalent to (# of residency programs in a major metro area/# total number of programs) / ( # of DOs matching in a competitive urban area / total # of DOs in that specialty). It will make sense later.
A high Newport factor suggests significant regional bias. NF= 1 suggests no bias. NF<1 means that DOs are overrepresented in such areas.
LIMITATIONS: Only match lists listed on the first page were used, many of which were highly incomplete and unverified. 35 miles is a relatively arbitrary benchmark and distances were measured using google maps. This does not take into account how many program PGY1 spots are actually located within competitive cities- it was assumed they would average out. No applicant data was used. It was assumed that no net geographic preference was present (I.e the ortho cohort as a whole didn’t tend to prefer big cities, the psych cohort as a whole did not prefer rural areas, etc). No statistical analysis was completed.
RESULTS
Psychiatry:
-13 matches in top 10 metro areas.
-125 total matches reported
-10.4% of psych matches fell within in a top-10 metro area.
-236 Psychiatry programs in USA
-72 programs are located in the top 10 cities
-30.5% of psychiatry programs are in top 10 US cities.
Anesthesia
-32 matches in a top 10 metro area
-136 total gas matches reported
-23.5% of gas matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-140 gas programs in USA
-48 gas programs in top 10 metro areas
-34.3% of gas programs are in top 10 areas
Diagnostic Radiology
-16 matches in a top 10 metro area
-49 DR matches reported
-32.6% of DR matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-180 total DR programs in USA
-59 DR programs in top 10 metro areas
-32.8% of DR programs are in top 10 metro areas
General Surgery
-20 matches in a top 10 metro area
-87 GS matches reported
-22.9% of GS matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-282 total GS programs
-87 GS programs in top 10 metro areas
-30.8% of GS programs are in top 10 metro areas
OB/GYN
-18 matches in a top 10 metro area
-99 OB/GYN matches reported
-18.2% of OB/GYN matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-263 OB/GYN programs in USA
-82 programs are located in a top 10 metro area
-31.1% of OB/GYN programs are in a top 10 metro area
Orthopedic Surgery
-14 matches in a top 10 metro area
-56 ortho matches reported
-25% of Ortho matches were in a top 10 metro area
-176 ortho programs in USA
-46 ortho programs in a top 10 metro area
-26.1% of ortho programs in a top 10 metro area
EM
-56 matches in a top 10 metro area
-221 total EM matches reported
-25.3% of EM matches were in a top 10 metro area
-250 total EM programs
-65 EM programs in top 10 areas
-26% of total EM programs in top 10 areas.
DISCUSSION
Despite the seeming ease at which DOs are matching psychiatry, these findings suggest that, moreso than any other specialty considered here, DOs are widely shut out from competitive urban areas for residency. Despite 30.5% of psychiatry residency programs being located in a major metro area, only 10.4% of DOs who matched psychiatry matched in one of these areas, a ratio of approximately 3:1, or a Newport Factor of 2.93.
OB/GYN showed the next-largest “urban bias,” with 18.2% osteopathic OB/GYN matches occurring in a major metro area, despite 31.1% of OB/GYN programs being located in such an area. This gives OB/GYN a Newport Factor of 1.71.
Anesthesia (Newport Factor 1.45) and GS (1.34) were intermediate.
EM (NF= 1.03), DR (1.00), and Ortho (1.04) were practically 1:1, suggesting a less regional nature to any bias.
FINDINGS SHOWN IN PRETTY IMAGE!View attachment 302170
DO selection bias. Most of my class doesnt care where they match as long as its the specialty they want. also, most my class isnt from any of those top 10 cities. Most people just want to practice where they came from.
I usually hear "I just want to match in a city". and when you start factoring in cities that arent top 10 but still sizeable metro places to live (Orlando, Nashville, St Louis, Vegas etc etc) you will find many DOs end up in Cities.
DO schools themselves are for the most part in smaller areas, which attract people from said areas, and people want to stay there. At least in the Midwest.I don’t think we have evidence or data to suggest that DOs as a whole tend toward a true preference toward small cities or rural areas. That’s seems unlikely, given that statistically, the vast majority of med students do come from a top 10 metro area.
There was a moderate regional bias to the match lists, though, in that most matches tended to occur within the broad geographical region that the school was located. Although this could absolutely be a source of confounding, it does not explain the relative lack of geographic bias in other specialties. In fact (and this is just speculation) 2 of these specialties with NF=1 - ortho and EM - are specialties where audition rotations are the norm, which could suggest a true geographic preference given that students choose where to audition. Regardless, I do think the numbers here are strong enough to have identified some type of true pattern.
We do have data tho.I don’t think we have evidence or data to suggest that DOs as a whole tend toward a true preference toward small cities or rural areas. That’s seems unlikely, given that statistically, the vast majority of med students do come from a top 10 metro area.
There was a moderate regional bias to the match lists, though, in that most matches tended to occur within the broad geographical region that the school was located. Although this could absolutely be a source of confounding, it does not explain the relative lack of geographic bias in other specialties. In fact (and this is just speculation) 2 of these specialties with NF=1 - ortho and EM - are specialties where audition rotations are the norm, which could suggest a true geographic preference given that students choose where to audition. Regardless, I do think the numbers here are strong enough to have identified some type of true pattern.
We do have data tho. Over half of all DO matriculants were from a places with a population of less than 49,999 (doesnt even meet AACOMs definition for a "city"). 70% of all DO students are from places with less than 99,999 people. Only 10% are from Urban (>1million) and 19% from "large cities" (>100,00). And there is definetly data showing med students typically prefer to train/practice in areas where they came from. So this is all consistent. Look at the top 20 feeder schools for DO matriculants per AACOM. Almost none of them are in top 10 metro cities (all stillin sizeable metro areas tho)
Source: https://www.aacom.org/docs/default-...profile-summary-report.pdf?sfvrsn=28753a97_14
See my above point. Of course most med students come from these areas, because the majority of the population comes from these areas...especially with that definition you just usedThat’s because they ask about your hometown, not your metro area. My hometown was a non-urban “city” of 25,000 people, but it was within a 10 minute drive from the city center of a top-5 metropolis. Virtually everyone from a metro area will be putting in the data for their mailing address, not their adjacent city. If I live in Mineola, NY, I put in the data for Mineola. I don’t say I live in a city of 8 million, even if I’m only 15 miles away.
See my above point. Of course most med students come from these areas, because the majority of the population comes from these areas...especially with that definition you just used
I thought this was a joke and then I read it. I have an idea how long this took, I'm impressed. This post should end the argument on psych only being 'slightly more competitive' than it was. Psych is a competitive specialty, much more than it used to be, especially in University programs.Because I literally had nothing to do today...
EDIT: Introduced the “Newport Factor!”
PURPOSE: To determine how difficult it is for a DO to match into a competitive urban area in psychiatry, as compared to other specialties.
HYPOTHESIS: the difficulty of matching psychiatry in competitive areas is comparable to that of specialties more traditionally thought to be competitive. Results are reported as # of DO applicants who matched that specialty in a competitive area, divided by total reported osteopathic matches in that specialty, (x100). This number is then compared to the % of residency programs of that specialty in major metro areas.
METHODS: All match lists in this first post of this thread were reviewed. “In a competitive city” was defined as: within 35 miles (as the crow flies) of the city center of a city listed in the top 10 metropolitan areas of the USA (approximating a 1 hr drive). This was measured with google maps scale tool. The cities are, as per wiki: NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas/Ft Worth, Houston, DC, Miami, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Boston.
Specialties considered here were Psychiatry, Anesthesia, OB/GYN, Diagnostic Radiology, Orthopedic Surgery, and General Surgery. All residency programs found on match lists which could not be identified given poor naming (e.g. “university hospital,” “Mt Sinai” etc) were counted toward total matches but not toward “competitive metro area matches.” This was also done for military matches, including those that would have fallen within these metro areas. For total number of programs and their locations, AAMC lists of participating residency programs were reviewed.
Specialties are graded with a “Newport factor,” which is equivalent to (# of residency programs in a major metro area/# total number of programs) / ( # of DOs matching in a competitive urban area / total # of DOs in that specialty). It will make sense later.
A high Newport factor suggests significant regional bias. NF= 1 suggests no bias. NF<1 means that DOs are overrepresented in such areas.
LIMITATIONS: Only match lists listed on the first page were used, many of which were highly incomplete and unverified. 35 miles is a relatively arbitrary benchmark and distances were measured using google maps. This does not take into account how many program PGY1 spots are actually located within competitive cities- it was assumed they would average out. No applicant data was used. It was assumed that no net geographic preference was present (I.e the ortho cohort as a whole didn’t tend to prefer big cities, the psych cohort as a whole did not prefer rural areas, etc). No statistical analysis was completed.
RESULTS
Psychiatry:
-13 matches in top 10 metro areas.
-125 total matches reported
-10.4% of psych matches fell within in a top-10 metro area.
-236 Psychiatry programs in USA
-72 programs are located in the top 10 cities
-30.5% of psychiatry programs are in top 10 US cities.
Anesthesia
-32 matches in a top 10 metro area
-136 total gas matches reported
-23.5% of gas matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-140 gas programs in USA
-48 gas programs in top 10 metro areas
-34.3% of gas programs are in top 10 areas
Diagnostic Radiology
-16 matches in a top 10 metro area
-49 DR matches reported
-32.6% of DR matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-180 total DR programs in USA
-59 DR programs in top 10 metro areas
-32.8% of DR programs are in top 10 metro areas
General Surgery
-20 matches in a top 10 metro area
-87 GS matches reported
-22.9% of GS matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-282 total GS programs
-87 GS programs in top 10 metro areas
-30.8% of GS programs are in top 10 metro areas
OB/GYN
-18 matches in a top 10 metro area
-99 OB/GYN matches reported
-18.2% of OB/GYN matches were in a top 10 metro area.
-263 OB/GYN programs in USA
-82 programs are located in a top 10 metro area
-31.1% of OB/GYN programs are in a top 10 metro area
Orthopedic Surgery
-14 matches in a top 10 metro area
-56 ortho matches reported
-25% of Ortho matches were in a top 10 metro area
-176 ortho programs in USA
-46 ortho programs in a top 10 metro area
-26.1% of ortho programs in a top 10 metro area
EM
-56 matches in a top 10 metro area
-221 total EM matches reported
-25.3% of EM matches were in a top 10 metro area
-250 total EM programs
-65 EM programs in top 10 areas
-26% of total EM programs in top 10 areas.
DISCUSSION
Despite the seeming ease at which DOs are matching psychiatry, these findings suggest that, moreso than any other specialty considered here, DOs are widely shut out from competitive urban areas for residency. Despite 30.5% of psychiatry residency programs being located in a major metro area, only 10.4% of DOs who matched psychiatry matched in one of these areas, a ratio of approximately 3:1, or a Newport Factor of 2.93.
OB/GYN showed the next-largest “urban bias,” with 18.2% osteopathic OB/GYN matches occurring in a major metro area, despite 31.1% of OB/GYN programs being located in such an area. This gives OB/GYN a Newport Factor of 1.71.
Anesthesia (Newport Factor 1.45) and GS (1.34) were intermediate.
EM (NF= 1.03), DR (1.00), and Ortho (1.04) were practically 1:1, suggesting a less regional nature to any bias.
FINDINGS SHOWN IN PRETTY IMAGE!View attachment 302170
Psych is a competitive specialty
It's a legit Emory IM match according to the Emory webpageLoll I guess? Does Emory have any satellite campuses for IM? The list does a poor job differentiating exactly which program it is.
No it’s not.
This is like saying DO schools are more competitive than MD schools because they have a lower acceptance percentage.
It's a legit Emory IM match according to the Emory webpage
You’re ignoring almost the entire argument of location, which is what the argument is based in.
I can't really take an argument seriously when it's saying Psych in a competitive location is harder to match than DR or Ortho.
Psych is not competitive. Psych is selective. There is a difference.
Because we have most all the lists. This is the natural progression of the life cycle of this thread. A few stragglers keep up a random conversation for a couple pages and then it goes gently into that good night.OMG why is this thread still about psych?
I mean maybe people have different definitions of competitive than we do.I can't really take an argument seriously when it's saying Psych in a competitive location is harder to match than DR or Ortho.
Psych is not competitive. Psych is selective. There is a difference.
IR docs I worked with were all very bro but could be isolated case of the bros.Real question: not including ortho, which specialty has the most bro-culture? Or which non-surgical field has it?
Real question: not including ortho, which specialty has the most bro-culture? Or which non-surgical field has it?
IR docs I worked with were all very bro but could be isolated case of the bros.
I'm my experience, correct.I’m assuming psych, OB, and peds are the least broey. Not much experience, just guessing.
One guy I interviewed with was super broey, but he was applying peds as a backup. Stuck out like a sore thumb.I’m assuming psych, OB, and peds are the least broey. Not much experience, just guessing.
One guy I interviewed with was super broey, but he was applying peds as a backup. Stuck out like a sore thumb.
Didn't you see the survey?OMG why is this thread still about psych?
OMG why is this thread still about psych?
This is amazing accomplishment. This DO grad is making history and making matching into big names possible for many coming after him/herSeems to be the only DO out of 44 in the categorical track among the ranks of Yale, Keck, Penn State, Northwestern