DO/MD IM residency?

[tobdr]

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I'm sure this has been asked a million times but I'm really confused/stressed right now.

I'm a third year medical student who went to a DO school. I'm looking into setting up rotations for 4th year and trying to decide if i should only apply DO or only MD or both for residency?

COMLEX I score: 528
USMLE step 1: 225

a little volunteer experience
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what are some of the good DO IM residency programs? and with my scores do I have a good chance at an MD residency program?

any input will be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much 🙂

 

[kdhmed]

ACGME IM Residency Programs that have taken DOs in the past (the list I have is mainly limited to east coast, with some exceptions):

UIC, Rush, Wake Forest, Cleveland Clinic, OSU, Loyola, UPenn, Yale, Temple, OHSU, VCU, GWU, Louisville, Georgetown, UVA, Rutgers-RWJ, UMDNJ, UConn, UF Florida, USF, Emory, Mt. Auburn , JHU-Bayview, UMass, St. Louis, Drexel, Cincinnati, Penn State, MUSC, Brown, UPMC Mercy/Shadyside, Albert Einstein Philly, Pennsylvania Hospital, Abington Memorial, East Carolina, Chicago community programs (Northshore, Advocate hospitals)

Don't waste your time: Duke, MGH, BID, Stanford, Northwestern, UChicago, JHU, Maryland, Tufts, BWH, UNC, UPMC, Vanderbilt, Brown, and likely Yale.


I wouldn't be stressing right now.....focus on honoring your 3rd yr clerkships (especially IM). Prepare for Step 2 (take USMLE and improve your score), pass the PE. My advice would be to do 1-2 auditions (very important for AOA Residency, mild-mod important for MD residency) early-ish 4th yr (July-Oct). If you decide to apply MD, get a letter or two from academic centers if thats what your aiming for (PD/Chairman letter if you can pull it). Over the next few months get something going that makes you stand out that you can add to your app (some type of QI project, a poster presentation, something). PM me if you want to discuss more - I don't have much insight into the DO programs but have a good handle on applying ACGME.

 

[keindo]

ACGME IM Residency Programs that have taken DOs in the past (the list I have is mainly limited to east coast, with some exceptions):

UIC, Rush, Wake Forest, Cleveland Clinic, OSU, Loyola, UPenn, Yale, Temple, OHSU, VCU, GWU, Louisville, Georgetown, UVA, Rutgers-RWJ, UMDNJ, UConn, UF Florida, USF, Emory, Mt. Auburn , JHU-Bayview, UMass, St. Louis, Drexel, Cincinnati, Penn State, MUSC, Brown, UPMC Mercy/Shadyside, Albert Einstein Philly, Pennsylvania Hospital, Abington Memorial, East Carolina, Chicago community programs (Northshore, Advocate hospitals)

Don't waste your time: Duke, MGH, BID, Stanford, Northwestern, UChicago, JHU, Maryland, Tufts, BWH, UNC, UPMC, Vanderbilt, Brown, and likely Yale.


I wouldn't be stressing right now.....focus on honoring your 3rd yr clerkships (especially IM). Prepare for Step 2 (take USMLE and improve your score), pass the PE. My advice would be to do 1-2 auditions (very important for AOA Residency, mild-mod important for MD residency) early-ish 4th yr (July-Oct). If you decide to apply MD, get a letter or two from academic centers if thats what your aiming for (PD/Chairman letter if you can pull it). Over the next few months get something going that makes you stand out that you can add to your app (some type of QI project, a poster presentation, something). PM me if you want to discuss more - I don't have much insight into the DO programs but have a good handle on applying ACGME.

225 plus DO kind of kills a lot of applications, especially to the better programs on that list (OHSU, JHU-Bayview, etc.). There's nothing you can do about that, so just do the best you can in your clerkships.

 

[DrWBD]

With that Step 1 score I'd be surprised if you didn't get interviews for at least some mid-tier IM programs. My opinion: don't waste time with an osteopathic IM residency, especially if you're thinking of fellowship training. Find an ACGME IM program you are interested in and do an away rotation or two, and get to know the faculty there.

 

[keindo]

With that Step 1 score I'd be surprised if you didn't get interviews for at least some mid-tier IM programs. My opinion: don't waste time with an osteopathic IM residency, especially if you're thinking of fellowship training. Find an ACGME IM program you are interested in and do an away rotation or two, and get to know the faculty there.

With a 225 you'd be surprised?

 

[imimimim]

i think 225 is a great score for a mid tier IM residency. FRIEDA now puts
characteristics of current residents so u can see if the prog ur interested in has a hx of accepting DO's.

what have you guys heard about albert einstein in nyc in terms of accepting DO students for IM, any chance of getting a residency there? Thats one of of the programs that didnt put characteristics of current residents so i cant tell.
im debating whether i should do an away rotation there to boost my chances (if i have any in the first place)

 

[keindo]

i think 225 is a great score for a mid tier IM residency. FRIEDA now puts
characteristics of current residents so u can see if the prog ur interested in has a hx of accepting DO's.

what have you guys heard about albert einstein in nyc in terms of accepting DO students for IM, any chance of getting a residency there? Thats one of of the programs that didnt put characteristics of current residents so i cant tell.
im debating whether i should do an away rotation there to boost my chances (if i have any in the first place)

What do you consider mid-tier? Tufts, Einstein, Maryland, etc.? With a DO and a 225 I think you would have a hard time getting an interview at any of those programs.

 

[imimimim]

No I think city of Boston is out of reach. And so is Maryland. I was thinking more along the lines of Loyola, uic, penn state, GW. I don't know who Einstein NYC takes in terms of applicants. Any ideas?

 

[DrWBD]

i think 225 is a great score for a mid tier IM residency. FRIEDA now puts
characteristics of current residents so u can see if the prog ur interested in has a hx of accepting DO's.

what have you guys heard about albert einstein in nyc in terms of accepting DO students for IM, any chance of getting a residency there? Thats one of of the programs that didnt put characteristics of current residents so i cant tell.
im debating whether i should do an away rotation there to boost my chances (if i have any in the first place)

Which Einstein NYC program are you referring to?
Jacobi has mostly FMGs and DOs.
Montefiore has mostly American MD or Sackler graduates.

 

[imimimim]

Damn. I was hoping to get into montefiore..any chance they would take DO?

 

[gutonc]

Damn. I was hoping to get into montefiore..any chance they would take DO?

If I said no, would you apply anyway?

The answer to that question should be "yes".

 

[imimimim]

Fair point. Last thing, I'm going to do a sub-I there. Does it matter that they don't offer one in medicine and instead I have to do a sub specialty?

 

[gutonc]

Fair point. Last thing, I'm going to do a sub-I there. Does it matter that they don't offer one in medicine and instead I have to do a sub specialty?

I did a sub-specialty rotation there. Never once crossed paths with anybody in the IM leadership, even when I tried to make a time to meet with the PD. The rotation was fine but I didn't bother getting a LOR out of it.

 

[imimimim]

Thanks

 

[DrWBD]

Fair point. Last thing, I'm going to do a sub-I there. Does it matter that they don't offer one in medicine and instead I have to do a sub specialty?

When did sub-specialty elective rotations become "sub-I's"?
It used to be that a sub internship could only be in Medicine, Peds, or Surgery (+/- Ob/Gyn).

 

[imimimim]

When did sub-specialty elective rotations become "sub-I's"?
It used to be that a sub internship could only be in Medicine, Peds, or Surgery (+/- Ob/Gyn).

They're not. But when a school does not offer visiting rotations in Medicine, I suppose you can call a rotation in sub-specialty a "sub-I"

 

[DrWBD]

They're not. But when a school does not offer visiting rotations in Medicine, I suppose you can call a rotation in sub-specialty a "sub-I"

We used to call subspecialty rotations 'electives'.
At least when I was a student, the term 'sub-internship' implied your role on the team was functioning at the level of an intern with slightly less responsibility (hence the name).