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From the DOs I've talked to, this hasn't been an issue for a good 20 years.

The degrees are equivalent. There are good and bad DOs and MDs, so you can't make any generalizations.
 
avinash said:
Im just wondering if DO's get crap from MD's out in the workforce?
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No. Why would they?
 
avinash said:
Im just wondering if DO's get crap from MD's out in the workforce?
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The hospital I work at has a combined MD & DO residency program, they have no problems there. My EMS medical director is a DO, he's had no problems from the MD's he works with for being a DO. Also, my biggest supporters are MD's.

If there are crap givers out there in the work forceit probably works more like this: the guy/gal from Harvard looks down on anyone who didn't go Ivy League. The guy from UNC, a top tier school, looks down on the guy who went to ECU, a second tier school etc... In the real world your fellow physicians only want to know that you are competent at medicine. Don't worry if you run into the few arrogant types left out there, they are in the minority now.
 
Static Line said:
Don't worry if you run into the few arrogant types left out there, they are in the minority now.
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avinash said:
Im just wondering if DO's get crap from MD's out in the workforce?
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If there is any 'looking down' upon of DOs by MDs in the workforce, its certainly not face to face-and it doesn't affect a DOs career at all.
 
medic170 said:
No, it is strictly a premed issue.
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Precisely.

Most people who think anything of it are pre-meds, who don't know enough information about anything in the first place.
 
I know some older MD's who still hold DO's in a somewhat lower regard, at least behind closed doors. But when it comes to interacting with DO's in the workplace, there really isn't a problem. Ever heard that phrase "don't **** where you eat?"

Most of the older and all of the younger MD's I've been around don't really care one way or another. They're much more likely to bitch about someone being a poor clinician (in there eyes) than where they went to school/residency.
 
stoic said:
I know some older MD's who still hold DO's in a somewhat lower regard, at least behind closed doors. But when it comes to interacting with DO's in the workplace, there really isn't a problem. Ever heard that phrase "don't **** where you eat?"

Most of the older and all of the younger MD's I've been around don't really care one way or another. They're much more likely to bitch about someone being a poor clinician (in there eyes) than where they went to school/residency.
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Location may play a bit a role in that too. here in Michigan, we have a lot of DO's, more than most states, DO's and MD's often are partners in practice, and it would be a challenge to find an MD around here that looks at DO's any differently than his/her MD colleagues. Even the public in Michigan in pretty well informed about osteopathic medicine, I love it here. It really helps to have a huge state supported university DO school that does research to further the profession. I have noticed that in states with a public DO school the public seems more informed and excited about osteopathic medicine, and the gradutes tend to stick around.
 
medic170 said:
Location may play a bit a role in that too. here in Michigan, we have a lot of DO's, more than most states, DO's and MD's often are partners in practice, and it would be a challenge to find an MD around here that looks at DO's any differently than his/her MD colleagues. Even the public in Michigan in pretty well informed about osteopathic medicine, I love it here. It really helps to have a huge state supported university DO school that does research to further the profession. I have noticed that in states with a public DO school the public seems more informed and excited about osteopathic medicine, and the gradutes tend to stick around.
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I agree with you. My experiences are in Texas and Oklahoma, both with public D.O. schools. I have had only positive experiences in both places.
 
oh wells.. jump on the bandwagon...

It is just a "pre-med" thing and a inferiority complex thing certain physicians have. Lets be honest, discrimination is everywhere regardless of your race, sex, religion, occupation, health status, etc. I am glad that all the people in here have had great experiences... but i am sure there are scarey stories out there.

I am also pretty sure that an MD orthopedic surgeon might look down on his MD family practitioner... though it is rare, but it still happens... so don't exclude it completely. Behind close doors, I'm sure people talk a lot of ****... but why should you be scared ?? They are just jealous of you maybe because your MCAT wasn't as high as theirs, or your GPA was 0.5 lower, or you're a lot younger than they are but YET... YOu are still able to do what they are able to do... lets face the facts... medicine is an art... w/ many years of practice comes experience and better techniques.

What were we talking about again ??? oh yeah... DONT WORRY TOO MUCH about MDs looking down on DOs... I'm sure they look down on each long enough to even notice us there.. hahahaha.
 
When I did my premed committee interview at my undergrad university, the committee chair asked me why I was applying DO only (a reasonable question). I gave her a short and concise answer (because there was an MD on the panel), and then the MD on the panel gave me crap about it. 😡 :meanie:
 
my dad is an MD (family practice), and he only says good things about DO's; my cousin is an OBGYN attending (USC, and and MD), and he said his DO resident is just as good as the others, another cousin is chief of anesthesiology at a major Los Angeles hospital (and an MD), and he's only said good things about DO's; my other cousin's husband is a partner at a 200+ physician group practice in southern california (internist and a DO) and he's one of 4 to do the interviewing for any new physicians being hired..........................only positives here
 
jkhamlin said:
When I did my premed committee interview at my undergrad university, the committee chair asked me why I was applying DO only (a reasonable question). I gave her a short and concise answer (because there was an MD on the panel), and then the MD on the panel gave me crap about it. 😡 :meanie:
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In Missouri, no less.
 
JPHazelton said:
In Missouri, no less.
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Yeah, go figure... 🙄
I was so upset about it that I went to talk to the committee chair later. She laughed and said that she has seen that happen before and assured me that the professors on the committee did not agree with the physician's emotional outburst.
 
I work in a high volume level-1 emergency trauma center. Some of the most influential and respected physicians in our center are D.O.'s. The letters have nothing to do about it. It's about the person.
 
acarson said:
I work in a high volume level-1 emergency trauma center. Some of the most influential and respected physicians in our center are D.O.'s. The letters have nothing to do about it. It's about the person.
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May I ask where that is?
 
jkhamlin said:
May I ask where that is?
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This is true for most trauma centers in Texas and all of the trauma centers in Oklahoma.

(D.O. emergency physicians holding management positions in the emergency department.)
 
OSUdoc08 said:
This is true for most trauma centers in Texas and all of the trauma centers in Oklahoma.

(D.O. emergency physicians holding management positions in the emergency department.)
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I was curious because I noticed he is from Springfield, MO too. There are only 2 medical centers that size here and I work in one of them.
 
For what it's worth, my hockey buddy's dad was the chief of EM at a large hospital in Michigan. He was a DO. Though in fairness, it was an Osteopathic hospital. Although I know there are many MD's that work there too. Maybe about 50/50 even.
I'm from Michigan, and we have MSU College of Osteopathic Medicine. So, in MI, we have a lot of DO's around and in many different fields.
 
I've been out in the workforce for some time now, and the most discrimination I've ever seen has been in the military and on SDN. Otherwise, it seems that most people try to be at least cordial (sp?) to each other to their faces. I wouldn't worry too much what gets said behind closed doors. 🙂
 
Khenon said:
I've been out in the workforce for some time now, and the most discrimination I've ever seen has been in the military and on SDN. Otherwise, it seems that most people try to be at least cordial (sp?) to each other to their faces. I wouldn't worry too much what gets said behind closed doors. 🙂
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What have you seen in the military?

I know quite a few D.O.'s that are successful there.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
What have you seen in the military?

I know quite a few D.O.'s that are successful there.
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Woops! Sorry . . . I didn't mean specifically to medicine, at all. But to answer your question, there was quite a bit of racism and sexual discrimination when I was in the military ('92-'96). It was funny because I came from Idaho, and I didn't learn until I was in the military that Idaho was the home of the KKK. Anyway, I witnessed and suffered harassment while in the military . . . it was definitely the most discrimination-dense environment I had ever been in. It might be better now though. During that time the government was really getting heavy on political correctness, etc, and it seemed to make things worse for minorities and women. Things may have smoothed out since then. And too, I was enlisted. I'm guessing the environment for officers might be more mature/wise/educated, which may curtail some discrimination (which would be the case for DO's, MD's, or anyone with a college education).
 
jkhamlin said:
I was curious because I noticed he is from Springfield, MO too. There are only 2 medical centers that size here and I work in one of them.
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Sorry for the delay in responding...I don't check the ol' email too much during break. I work at St. Johns ETC, although I will be doing an externship at Cox this week!
 
acarson said:
Sorry for the delay in responding...I don't check the ol' email too much during break. I work at St. Johns ETC, although I will be doing an externship at Cox this week!
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Hey, I work at Cox! Who are you doing the externship with?
 
jkhamlin said:
Hey, I work at Cox! Who are you doing the externship with?
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I'll be working with Dr. Kensel(?) I believe. Is that good/bad? 😳
 
acarson said:
I'll be working with Dr. Kensel(?) I believe. Is that good/bad? 😳
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I haven't heard of Dr. Kensel. PM me if you have any more questions or people will get mad at us for carrying on a more private conversation on a public message board.
 
jkhamlin said:
When I did my premed committee interview at my undergrad university, the committee chair asked me why I was applying DO only (a reasonable question). I gave her a short and concise answer (because there was an MD on the panel), and then the MD on the panel gave me crap about it. 😡 :smuggrin:
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Do you mind me asking what your short concise answer was?
 
HealingGrace said:
Do you mind me asking what your short concise answer was?
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That post was 11 years ago.

The person who posted that was last seen active on this forum one year ago and posted their last post 3 years ago.

I wouldn't hold your breath for a response.
 
sullen-burger said:
That post was 11 years ago.

The person who posted that was last seen active on this forum one year ago and posted their last post 3 years ago.

I wouldn't hold your breath for a response.
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Yeah I know, but thought perhaps it wouldn't hurt to ping him/her and ask 🙂
 
I have close family friends who went to prestigious MD schools and are now research faculty at UPenn, Rutgers RWJ, Einstein, and Columbia P+S. (Yes I'm a New York Jew, why do you ask?)

Woman who went to Columbia PS and did IM residency at MGH, now a cardiologist: "My cardiologist is a DO. It's the same thing."

Woman who went to JHU and did residency at Uchicago: "The people I know who think DOs are inferior are usually also the ones who the smart people avoid like the plague."

Man who went to Einstein and did residency at Columbia PS (when asked about DO discrimination): "Dude, no, this is 2016, not 1980."

Woman who is now a fellowship director (is that what they're called?) in an IM subspecialty at one of these schools: "Unless you really want to be an orthopedic surgeon at Harvard, just go to whatever American school you can get into with the least effort."
 
The only people who look down on DOs are ignorant pre-meds, elderly MDs who were aghast at the cult of Still, and a couple of dumb-ass residents in these forums. There is a bias by some PDs, especially at the more prestigious programs or competitive specialties (rightly) over the quality of clinical training DO students get in OMSIII and IV). In this case, the AOA shoots itself in the foot by opening more DO schools without paying attention to the quality for clinical training.

But each year, I have grads go into good, competitive ACGME residencies that have never had a DO student in the past. So the glass doors are getting kicked open more and more.
 
Depending on the state the physician is practicing, seems there is also the public perception to contend with, since not very many people know what a DO is, but everyone certainly knows of an MD. I dont know the climate in other states, but certainly true in California. Are there states that have more DO's than MD's? States where the public sees the caliber of both MD and DO as comparable? I heard Michigan is a state where the public measure of the DO to MD as almost synonymous?
 
Old thread guys lololololol
 
HealingGrace said:
Do you mind me asking what your short concise answer was?
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What sort of necromancy is this?!
 
Goro said:
The only people who look down on DOs are ignorant pre-meds, elderly MDs who were aghast at the cult of Still, and a couple of dumb-ass residents in these forums. There is a bias by some PDs, especially at the more prestigious programs or competitive specialties (rightly) over the quality of clinical training DO students get in OMSIII and IV). In this case, the AOA shoots itself in the foot by opening more DO schools without paying attention to the quality for clinical training.

But each year, I have grads go into good, competitive ACGME residencies that have never had a DO student in the past. So the glass doors are getting kicked open more and more.
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Probably the most encouraging post about this subject I've seen! Gives one hope that with hard work and dedication competitive residencies are possible[emoji1]
 
HealingGrace said:
Depending on the state the physician is practicing, seems there is also the public perception to contend with, since not very many people know what a DO is, but everyone certainly knows of an MD. I dont know the climate in other states, but certainly true in California. Are there states that have more DO's than MD's? States where the public sees the caliber of both MD and DO as comparable? I heard Michigan is a state where the public measure of the DO to MD as almost synonymous?
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As a michigan resident (living here, not a medical resident) and with a brother who is a DO in michigan, i can say this is absolutely true...at least in SE michigan
 
jkhamlin said:
I haven't heard of Dr. Kensel. PM me if you have any more questions or people will get mad at us for carrying on a more private conversation on a public message board.
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MSUCOM has done a lot to promote the DO brand and better known that our MD school and the new MD schools in the state. A lot of alum are PD in the state and they favor towards us .


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