DO School Ranking?

[Dr.TurkandJD]

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I know there is no official ranking but in all of your opinions, what are the top 5 DO schools? and bottom 5?

 

[WildEMDoc]

Newer are lower, Older are higher

 

[TriagePreMed]

It's pretty much agreed that the best ones are the public ones and the older schools.

 

[oms2]

it's safe to pick the ones that are older than you

students at 'top' schools will say better schools are better for you.
students at 'bottom' schools will say all schools are the same.

 

[Dr.TurkandJD]

Can you guys name best 5 and worst 5 in your personal opinions?

 

[WildEMDoc]

Can you guys name best 5 and worst 5 in your personal opinions?

The best IMO only, based on what I've seen on SDN and match lists: DMU, CCOM, UMDNJ, MSU, NYCOM, PCOM

I'm not sure that you could really say any school is the worst. I've heard some not-so-good things about some schools but that doesn't mean they train bad doctors.

Newer schools are unproven but that doesn't mean they are bad.


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[selttiks288]

There are few threads on this already. It could save you some time.

 

[BabyDoc86]

Oh good lord not another one of these

 

[ModernAlchemist]

The best IMO only, based on what I've seen on SDN and match lists: DMU, CCOM, UMDNJ, MSU, NYCOM, PCOM

I'm not sure that you could really say any school is the worst. I've heard some not-so-good things about some schools but that doesn't mean they train bad doctors.

Newer schools are unproven but that doesn't mean they are bad.


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This

 

[FrkyBgStok]

There are few threads on this already. It could save you some time.

Wrong. There are a ridiculous number of these threads already.

OP search.

 

[costales]

Oh good lord not another one of these

What do you have against watching Groundhog Day every day? 😀

 

[BabyDoc86]

What do you have against watching Groundhog Day every day? 😀

LOL nice

 

[Dr.TurkandJD]

Searching gave me a thread from 1999. Sdn is becoming and evil soul sucking machine.

 

[FrkyBgStok]

really? because when i went to the pre-osteo "search this forum" and typed in DO rankings, I got 4 relevant and recent threads on the first page, 2 with almost the exact name. I am not trying to be a dick.



wait, yes I am. i am really good at it.

 

[411309]

I will give you a very nonbiased and legit list.

1. ACOM
2. who cares
3. ??
4. no one wants to be number four.
5. another DO school

I think all DO schools are pretty good though. ACOM is the best for obvious reasons.

 

[Dr.TurkandJD]

Acom has something no one else does... A guy in a white hat.

 

[411309]

Acom has something no one else does... A guy in a white hat.

I thought about making the top 5 based upon the five schools that offered me interviews so far but that would just be biased.

 

[Mosonik]

I thought about making the top 5 based upon the five schools that offered me interviews so far but that would just be biased.

👍

 

[ModernAlchemist]

Recap of old threads:

1. State schools and older schools
2. The one that is in your location of preference
3. The one that is the cheapest (could be #2, depending on your individual situation)
4. The one that interviewed/accepted you
5. A place people have heard of

 

[corpsman33]

Recap of old threads:

1. State schools and older schools
2. The one that is in your location of preference
3. The one that is the cheapest (could be #2, depending on your individual situation)
4. The one that interviewed/accepted you
5. A place people have heard of

I think number 4 and 5 might be out of order........i.e. it's not that great to know about a medical school if they won't/haven't accepted you 🙄

 

[DrMeows]

I understand that there a lot of threads like this out there, but if you don't want to read it then don't. He is looking for a legitimate answer and being sarcastic and mean is not only rude, it's unproductive.

My opinion: older schools and public schools (e.g. CCOM, MSUCOM, AT Still, DMU to name a few). But obviously you are going to get a lot of different opinions depending on people's regional preferences mostly.

 

[Bacchus]

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Astudentdoctor.net+DO+school+ranking Obviously no selection bias against DO vs Do

82 results

 

[Dr.TurkandJD]

Dr. Meow is awesome 🙂

Also, when you search "DO Ranking" all those threads contain no information and are basically just full of douchers (like some of you are) telling the OP to "search for DO Ranking threads"

 

[MedPR]

The top DO school is the one you choose to attend.

 

[DrMeows]

The top DO school is the one you choose to attend.

I like this one 👍

 

[Mehd School]

The top DO school is the one you choose to attend.

Agreed.

I'd just avoid the brand new schools for a couple cycles. They may be the greatest school in the states. More likely they'll be a school that has to drag you through their growing pains.

 

[Dr.TurkandJD]

Agreed.

I'd just avoid the brand new schools for a couple cycles. They may be the greatest school in the states. More likely they'll be a school that has to drag you through their growing pains.

LOVE the signature/avatar.

"This is a house of practicing doctors"

 

[Mehd School]

"This is a house of practicing doctors"

You're the first to comment on it. 👍

 

[Mosonik]

While there are going to be growing pains I have been impressed that all three schools opening are creating a healthy number of residencies affiliated with their programs. Some of the oldest schools in the country don't have more than a few even though they are great schools.
I just say this to point out that older does not equal better in all facets

 

[411309]

Agreed.

I'd just avoid the brand new schools for a couple cycles. They may be the greatest school in the states. More likely they'll be a school that has to drag you through their growing pains.

there is no secret DO school that doesnt have problems with the curriculum, wherever you go is going to have growing pains. Ill bet most people on here don't even know how old some of these schools are.

 

[MedPR]

there is no secret DO school that doesnt have problems with the curriculum, wherever you go is going to have growing pains. Ill bet most people on here don't even know how old some of these schools are.

Not really. Students at schools with established curriculum know what to expect going in. M1 and M2s have older students to get advice from and possibly question banks from years past. The professors there have also likely been teaching together for a year or more and likely work together to complement each other and get the info to students in a more comprehensive manner.

The curriculum issues new schools have are the same as old(er) schools that do a complete curriculum overhaul (like Cincinnati did 2 years ago). It takes a year or more to work out the kinks and the guinea pig year might suffer because of it.

 

[virtuoso735]

Oh, this again.

Let me give this a shot. Top 5:
1) Public schools like UMDNJ, MSUCOM, etc.
2) DMU, CCOM, PCOM, KCUMB, KCOM
3) The one you go to.

 

[MedPR]

Oh, this again.

Let me give this a shot. Top 5:
1) Public schools like UMDNJ, MSUCOM, etc.
2) DMU, CCOM, PCOM, KCUMB, KCOM
3) The one you go to.

Congrats on getting into Oakland!

 

[virtuoso735]

Congrats on getting into Oakland!

Thanks! I've been reading the Loyola thread to see if you get in. Crossing my fingers for you!

 

[ModernAlchemist]

Thanks! I've been reading the Loyola thread to see if you get in. Crossing my fingers for you!

Haha same here! I want everyone to get into their top choice! I think we deserve it 😉

 

[Mehd School]

there is no secret DO school that doesnt have problems with the curriculum, wherever you go is going to have growing pains. Ill bet most people on here don't even know how old some of these schools are.

Are you serious? That isn't true even in the least bit. People at CCOM or KCUMB won't go through what you're about to (maybe, maybe not) at ACOM next year. They're figuring stuff out. It's not their fault, it's just what goes along with blazing a trail.

Not really. Students at schools with established curriculum know what to expect going in. M1 and M2s have older students to get advice from and possibly question banks from years past. The professors there have also likely been teaching together for a year or more and likely work together to complement each other and get the info to students in a more comprehensive manner.

The curriculum issues new schools have are the same as old(er) schools that do a complete curriculum overhaul (like Cincinnati did 2 years ago). It takes a year or more to work out the kinks and the guinea pig year might suffer because of it.

Exactly what I was getting at, just a bit more long winded. New schools won't be able to evade the fact that they are new schools. Whether it is a huge burdon or not to the students is outside the scope of you and me. The three new schools may take off without a hitch, and I sincerely hope they do.

I personally know a med student at WCU-COM that was in their inaugural class, and I hope no one ever has to go through what she did. Awful. With that said, WCU has worked most of the kinks out, and the current MS1's seem much happier than the MS1s of years past.

 

[411309]

Are you serious? That isn't true even in the least bit. People at CCOM or KCUMB won't go through what you're about to (maybe, maybe not) at ACOM next year. They're figuring stuff out. It's not their fault, it's just what goes along with blazing a trail.
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Minor problems, everyone who starts med school probably gets blindsided by how different it is. Most new schools base their curriculum off of schools that have proven results so it's not like they just assign you random classes and say "good luck". New schools will work for you, they want their first class to do as well as possible. My best friend goes to USA, and they just adopted a new curriculum. He says it has some minor problems, but hes always doing quite well.

 

[Mehd School]

Minor problems, everyone who starts med school probably gets blindsided by how different it is. Most new schools base their curriculum off of schools that have proven results so it's not like they just assign you random classes and say "good luck". New schools will work for you, they want their first class to do as well as possible. My best friend goes to USA, and they just adopted a new curriculum. He says it has some minor problems, but hes always doing quite well.

Listen, I'm not trying to get in an argument here. I'm very happy for your acceptance at ACOM, and I hope you have a wonderful experience. You're sort of coming off like no matter what I say you'll deflect it. All I'm saying is that if you get into an established school as well as a new school it would behoove you to attend the school with the better track record all other things aside. What you said above is derailing from the point that I originally made.

Anyway, there's no right answer to this. Even MD schools are ranked in a controversial matter, and there's a thousand ways to spin anything like this.

 

[thepoopologist]

The best one is the one you get into.

If you have a choice between schools, it's the one that has the lowest cost, the most alumni, the most teaching hospitals, the most associated residencies. Secondary is the structure of the curriculum, dress code policies, attendance policies, note service, video lectures, core rotations sites vs setting everything up yourself. Third is dismissal policy, policies on remediation vs repeating a year, number of board failures allowed. The schools that offer all of these in a manner that benefits the student the most is the best school.

Reputation has nothing to do with it. You're headed to a DO school. A DO degree from school X is looked at pretty much the same as a DO degree from school Y after you graduate. We're not talking about the difference between UCSF and NYMC here. All the schools are essentially NYMC.

 

[cliquesh]

The best one is the one you get into.

If you have a choice between schools, it's the one that has the lowest cost, the most alumni, the most teaching hospitals, the most associated residencies. Secondary is the structure of the curriculum, dress code policies, attendance policies, note service, video lectures, core rotations sites vs setting everything up yourself. Third is dismissal policy, policies on remediation vs repeating a year, number of board failures allowed. The schools that offer all of these in a manner that benefits the student the most is the best school.

Reputation has nothing to do with it. You're headed to a DO school. A DO degree from school X is looked at pretty much the same as a DO degree from school Y after you graduate. We're not talking about the difference between UCSF and NYMC here. All the schools are essentially NYMC.

I agree with this. From my experience interviewing so far, most Acgme programs do not know anything about DO schools. Today, during an interview, one of the interviewers said something like, "oh, I see you went to an osteopathic school. One of our residents went to the osteopathic school in Kentucky..or was it the one in Kansas...anyway, he is really good"

 

[411309]

The best one is the one you get into.

If you have a choice between schools, it's the one that has the lowest cost, the most alumni, the most teaching hospitals, the most associated residencies. Secondary is the structure of the curriculum, dress code policies, attendance policies, note service, video lectures, core rotations sites vs setting everything up yourself. Third is dismissal policy, policies on remediation vs repeating a year, number of board failures allowed. The schools that offer all of these in a manner that benefits the student the most is the best school.

Reputation has nothing to do with it. You're headed to a DO school. A DO degree from school X is looked at pretty much the same as a DO degree from school Y after you graduate. We're not talking about the difference between UCSF and NYMC here. All the schools are essentially NYMC.

this is a very good post.

 

[MedPR]

Thanks! I've been reading the Loyola thread to see if you get in. Crossing my fingers for you!

Thank you. Im gonna check my mailbox after work tonight and I hope good news is in there.

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[MedPR]

The best one is the one you get into.

I agree

Reputation has nothing to do with it. You're headed to a DO school. A DO degree from school X is looked at pretty much the same as a DO degree from school Y after you graduate. We're not talking about the difference between UCSF and NYMC here. All the schools are essentially NYMC.

Only if you go ACGME.

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[wooki]

I agree with this. From my experience interviewing so far, most Acgme programs do not know anything about DO schools. Today, during an interview, one of the interviewers said something like, "oh, I see you went to an osteopathic school. One of our residents went to the osteopathic school in Kentucky..or was it the one in Kansas...anyway, he is really good"

i think this is specific to which allopathic program you are at -- was it in the west? because i think if you were in the midwest, they would know the difference say between DMU/CCOM/PCOM and other school X.

 

[michow87]

Public schools and older, more established schools are considered better than the newer schools. The reason is that these schools have had time to build their reputations and have a much larger alumni network.

Although residency placement is based significantly on individual performance, going to a more established school DOES help and as for me, I'll take whatever advantage I can get (excluding cheating and such since the consequences are far too steep).

So, I guess that my list would be as follows (in no particular order):

DMU
CCOM
KCOM
PCOM
MSUCOM
UMDNJ
KCUMB

 

[Mosonik]

I don't know why everyone ignores OU-COM. It's CORE rotation/residency affiliations are bar none the best for the AOA match in the country. Cleveland Clinic anyone?

On second thought, maybe its because everyone (myself included) doesn't want to admit to themselves that the best DO school in the country is virtually impossible to get into as OOS and with a small class size and "contract" it scares SDNers away

 

[cliquesh]

i think this is specific to which allopathic program you are at -- was it in the west? because i think if you were in the midwest, they would know the difference say between DMU/CCOM/PCOM and other school X.

It was on the east coast.

I rotated at a hosptial 2 miles away from my school. An attending there asked me where I went to school. He said he never heard of it.

 

[MedPR]

i think this is specific to which allopathic program you are at -- was it in the west? because i think if you were in the midwest, they would know the difference say between DMU/CCOM/PCOM and other school X.

I don't think this is necessarily true. I'll venture a guess and say that >50% of DO schools are in the midwest. Plus PCOM isn't even in the midwest so I don't know where you're going with that one lol.

I don't know why everyone ignores OU-COM. It's CORE rotation/residency affiliations are bar none the best for the AOA match in the country. Cleveland Clinic anyone?

On second thought, maybe its because everyone (myself included) doesn't want to admit to themselves that the best DO school in the country is virtually impossible to get into as OOS and with a small class size and "contract" it scares SDNers away

If it was truly the best DO school it would want the best students and not have such a strong IS preference.

 

[DrMeows]

if it was truly the best do school it would want the best students and not have such a strong is preference.

+1

 

[scpod]

I know there is no official ranking but in all of your opinions, what are the top 5 DO schools? and bottom 5?

Top 5 or bottom five based on what criteria? And why des it matter? If you suck, then you suck no matter what school you go to. If you pass, you become a doctor, no matter what school you go to.