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The only thing I might change is drop SOMA down to 3rd tier. Other than that, it actually seems fair.

That said, these lists are pointless, and it makes no sense to make a random list every few months, when the difference between the schools is so minimal that personal preference is way more important. To PDs, a DO school is a DO school.

Arent all the DO school averages currently within 4 points of each other now since LECOMS and the other lower tiers jumped up to 27-28 MCAT averages? I think the higher end was like 31-32 for schools like western.

LECOM is the most stereotypical average DO school, and has been that way for years. It wasn't "lower tier" for at least the past decade and its score didn't "jump up", its been there.

The "lower tier" are the schools with averages sitting at 24 and 25. Also, COMP doesn't have a 31-32 matriculant average, it's more like 29-30.
 
The only thing I might change is drop SOMA down to 3rd tier. Other than that, it actually seems fair.

That said, these lists are pointless, and it makes no sense to make a random list every few months, when the difference between the schools is so minimal that personal preference is way more important. To PDs, a DO school is a DO school.



LECOM is the most stereotypical average DO school, and has been that way for years. It wasn't "lower tier" for at least the past decade and its score didn't "jump up", its been there.

The "lower tier" are the schools with averages sitting at 24 and 25. Also, COMP doesn't have a 31-32 matriculant average, it's more like 29-30.

That is true, to the outside world DOs are DOs, but to students some DO schools will be better than others, better facilities, libraries, clinical rotations, the aspects of a school that help students succeed.

Of the newer schools, anything 20 years old or less, many schools have issues.
 
DO TIER LIST 2016:

TIER 1: Wherever you go and bust your ass and kill boards

TIER 2: See tier 1

Sort of true but many schools have serious issues that often impede their students progress. The first two years, all schools are pretty much equal. Some schools have nicer labs, libraries, campus facilities. The thing that separates schools is clinical education, there are a lot of schools that seem to just send their students to wherever they can get spots. Other schools are more consistent in their clinical training.

When you become a student you will become aware of this. People at MD schools for the most part never have to worry about this except for a handful of MD schools.
 
Sort of true but many schools have serious issues that often impede their students progress. The first two years, all schools are pretty much equal. Some schools have nicer labs, libraries, campus facilities. The thing that separates schools is clinical education, there are a lot of schools that seem to just send their students to wherever they can get spots. Other schools are more consistent in their clinical training.

When you become a student you will become aware of this. People at MD schools for the most part never have to worry about this except for a handful of MD schools.

Not sure if this is true anymore, but a few of our family friends who went to Stanford medical school said some of their labs were 3rd world junk.
 
The only thing I might change is drop SOMA down to 3rd tier. Other than that, it actually seems fair.

That said, these lists are pointless, and it makes no sense to make a random list every few months, when the difference between the schools is so minimal that personal preference is way more important. To PDs, a DO school is a DO school.



LECOM is the most stereotypical average DO school, and has been that way for years. It wasn't "lower tier" for at least the past decade and its score didn't "jump up", its been there.

The "lower tier" are the schools with averages sitting at 24 and 25. Also, COMP doesn't have a 31-32 matriculant average, it's more like 29-30.


What are those schools? I honestly cant find any of those averages. (The ones with 24-25)
 
Not sure if this is true anymore, but a few of our family friends who went to Stanford medical school said some of their labs were 3rd world junk.

Never saw Stanford itself, but most people I know would love to trade places with Stanford students or other top tier medical schools.
 
Never saw Stanford itself, but most people I know would love to trade places with Stanford students or other top tier medical schools.
Of course, it sounds silly to me that a school with that much endowment would have poor quality facilities, I am just reiterating what I heard.
 
Of course, it sounds silly to me that a school with that much endowment would have poor quality facilities, I am just reiterating what I heard.

Well who really knows, I knew a few people who went to Stanford for other graduate programs and they raved about the campus being one of the most beautiful in the country. I have not seen the place personally.

The LCME tends to have a higher bar for their schools than COCA, even lower tier MD schools are usually provide quality facilities. Schools like Mercer and Commonwealth have good looking campuses.
 
This list is just nonsense to me...
 
The "lower tier" are the schools with averages sitting at 24 and 25. Also, COMP doesn't have a 31-32 matriculant average, it's more like 29-30.

I wouldn't base school quality on the MCAT scores of those who enter. Although it can correlate, there are definitely schools that don't follow these trends. Schools like WVSOM which have been around for 30+ years and have a 25 MCAT average seem to have a good clinical education and rising board pass rates. I would say this school would be middle of the pack in comparison to other schools. Then you have the Touros that have scores in the 30s with a school that looks terrible, okay quality matches, and clinical education that doesn't standout. I would consider this school also middle of the pack. Most schools that usually are have scores in the 24-25 range are new, so I wouldn't even say they deserve a classification yet. RVU in 2013 (2nd graduating class) had a pretty strong match lists among DO schools and pretty much boosted itself up to middle of the pack school in a couple years after its first graduating class.

I can only think of two schools so far that are not new who have MCAT averages of 24-25.
 
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I wouldn't base school quality on the MCAT scores of those who enter, although it can correlate there are definitely schools that don't follow these trends. Schools like WVSOM which have been around for 30+ years and have a 25 MCAT average seem to have a good clinical education and rising board pass rates. I would say this school would be middle of the pack in comparison to other school. Then you have the Touros that have scores in the 30s with a school that looks terrible, okay quality matches, and clinical education that doesn't standout. Most schools that usually are have scores in the 24-25 range are usually new, so I wouldn't even say they deserve a classification yet. RVU in 2013 (2nd graduating class) had a pretty strong match lists among DO schools and pretty much boosted itself up to middle of the pack school in a couple years.

I can only think of two schools so far that are not new who have MCAT averages of 24-25.

Certain schools have high MCAT scores for two reasons, they tend to be near a very desirable metro area that many young college graduates want to live, and also that school is seen as a backup for MD applicants who had the grades and MCAT scores but did not get into MD schools.
 
Certain schools have high MCAT scores for two reasons, they tend to be near a very desirable metro area that many young college graduates want to live, and also that school is seen as a backup for MD applicants who had the grades and MCAT scores but did not get into MD schools.

Correct. The second part to this is that schools like WVSOM have low MCAT scores because they are a very mission based school. Schools like these can get higher quality candidates, but still choose the more mission oriented.
 
Correct. The second part to this is that schools like WVSOM have low MCAT scores because they are a very mission based school. Schools like these can get higher quality candidates, but still choose the more mission oriented.

Same with Kirksville, they are very mission oriented, but have somewhat lower MCAT scores than DO schools located near major metro areas.

I have said numerous times, if someone opens a DO school in Boston in an abandoned Kmart or JC Penney, it will easily have the highest or one of the highest MCAT averages of any DO school. Boston is a highly desirable city and near many highly prestigious schools.

That being said there probably will never be a DO school there, at least not in the near term.
 
Same with Kirksville, they are very mission oriented, but have somewhat lower MCAT scores than DO schools located near major metro areas.

I have said numerous times, if someone opens a DO school in Boston in an abandoned Kmart or JC Penney, it will easily have the highest or one of the highest MCAT averages of any DO school. Boston is a highly desirable city and near many highly prestigious schools.

That being said there probably will never be a DO school there, at least not in the near term.

Sure. A school that's a former Kmart in an expensive, crowded city where there will be little to no clinical space. It'll be filled wall to wall with people who almost made it into Harvard.
 
I wouldn't base school quality on the MCAT scores of those who enter. Although it can correlate, there are definitely schools that don't follow these trends. Schools like WVSOM which have been around for 30+ years and have a 25 MCAT average seem to have a good clinical education and rising board pass rates. I would say this school would be middle of the pack in comparison to other schools. Then you have the Touros that have scores in the 30s with a school that looks terrible, okay quality matches, and clinical education that doesn't standout. I would consider this school also middle of the pack. Most schools that usually are have scores in the 24-25 range are new, so I wouldn't even say they deserve a classification yet. RVU in 2013 (2nd graduating class) had a pretty strong match lists among DO schools and pretty much boosted itself up to middle of the pack school in a couple years after its first graduating class.

I can only think of two schools so far that are not new who have MCAT averages of 24-25.

Why is it so with Touro then?

I always thought Touro CA was a top notch school because of how hard it is to get in.
 
Why is it so with Touro then?

I always thought Touro CA was a top notch school because of how hard it is to get in.

No. I used to think the same thing but then I did some digging around here and from people from my UG who go there and I've come to the conclusion that it is garbage. For having the highest MCAT average they have really poor board scores and match lists. And I'm not talking about matches in conpetative specialties (which are consistently lacking BTW, but that even in IM/Peds/FM they don't match well) The pure fact that it is used as the CA MD backup is the reason that it is so competative. I would go to Touro NV long before the CA one. Heck I would go to LMU or one of the other "low tier" schools over it.

Disclaimer: this is all my opinion developed from the info I have gathered on my own. The board score thing is real though and comes directly from current students.
 
Seriously though, which schools do you guys truly recommend out of all the DO schools available? I am making my DO list and I only intend on applying to 2-3 first to save some money and time, and I won't have to apply to any more if I get into one of those. Which ones do you guys recommend? I have a strong preference for large cities.
 
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Seriously though, which schools do you guys truly recommend out of all the DO schools available? I am making my DO list and I only intend on applying to 2-3 first to save some money and time. Which ones do you guys recommend? I have a strong preference for large cities.

What are your stats?
 
Seriously though, which schools do you guys truly recommend out of all the DO schools available? I am making my DO list and I only intend on applying to 2-3 first to save some money and time, and I won't have to apply to any more if I get into one of those. Which ones do you guys recommend? I have a strong preference for large cities.

CCOM and Western are two great choices near big cities, one is near Chicago, the other near LA. NSU is near Miami, another good school.

AZCOM is 40 minutes outside of Phoenix. All of these DO schools are pretty solid choices.
 
CCOM and Western are two great choices near big cities, one is near Chicago, the other near LA. NSU is near Miami, another good school.

AZCOM is 40 minutes outside of Phoenix. All of these DO schools are pretty solid choices.

So CCOM and Western aren't actually in their respective cities?

As far as I know only PCOM and TouroNY are actually inside a big city. Are there others?
 
CCOM and Western are two great choices near big cities, one is near Chicago, the other near LA. NSU is near Miami, another good school.

AZCOM is 40 minutes outside of Phoenix. All of these DO schools are pretty solid choices.
Thanks! My original list was CCOM, PCOM and Western (only because I'd love to live in LA). I think I will look into NSU & AZCOM a bit more now.
 
So CCOM and Western aren't actually in their respective cities?

As far as I know only PCOM and TouroNY are actually inside a big city. Are there others?
Western is actually in Pomona, which is a bit east of LA. Not far though, about 40 minutes drive (i studied Western's location extensively before putting it on my list lol)

btw, congrats on your acceptance. Have you moved to your school yet?
 
Western is actually in Pomona, which is a bit east of LA. Not far though, about 40 minutes drive (i studied Western's location extensively before putting it on my list lol)

btw, congrats on your acceptance. Have you moved to your school yet?

Nope I will be next week! GL on your apps. 😳
 
No. I used to think the same thing but then I did some digging around here and from people from my UG who go there and I've come to the conclusion that it is garbage. For having the highest MCAT average they have really poor board scores and match lists. And I'm not talking about matches in conpetative specialties (which are consistently lacking BTW, but that even in IM/Peds/FM they don't match well) The pure fact that it is used as the CA MD backup is the reason that it is so competative. I would go to Touro NV long before the CA one. Heck I would go to LMU or one of the other "low tier" schools over it.

Disclaimer: this is all my opinion developed from the info I have gathered on my own. The board score thing is real though and comes directly from current students.

Its unfortunate that their stats are so high because of their proximity to home, I would take them in a heartbeat.
 
Seriously though, which schools do you guys truly recommend out of all the DO schools available? I am making my DO list and I only intend on applying to 2-3 first to save some money and time, and I won't have to apply to any more if I get into one of those. Which ones do you guys recommend? I have a strong preference for large cities.
RVU is a pretty good school and you can live in Denver, or live right by the school and drive to denver for the nightlife (maybe a 10-15 min drive)
 
Honestly outside of PCOM which is consider "almost" an MD school, there are not really any tiers of DO schools. Most people fall back on DO schools because they could not get into MD schools. There are real rankings of MD schools but not DO schools.

I only applied DO because of the physicians who helped bring me up in the field and the quality/location of my home instituition. The only people who care about credentials are other physicians, if they even care at all. We have 3 major magnet hospitals around where I live. One of them, which is probably arguably the better of the 3, only takes medical students and residents from the local osteopathic school (maybe not 100%, but close). However, the other hospital only favors the MD school students and residents. Then again, if you want to get even more picky the cardiology department will only take physicians and residents from the top cardiology programs (Duke, Mayo, Johns Hopkins,etc.)...well, until they hired a DO..so who knows.

P.S. PCOM is not as highly regarded are you may think.
 
I only applied DO because of the physicians who helped bring me up in the field and the quality/location of my home instituition. The only people who care about credentials are other physicians, if they even care at all. We have 3 major magnet hospitals around where I live. One of them, which is probably arguably the better of the 3, only takes medical students and residents from the local osteopathic school (maybe not 100%, but close). However, the other hospital only favors the MD school students and residents. Then again, if you want to get even more picky the cardiology department will only take physicians and residents from the top cardiology programs (Duke, Mayo, Johns Hopkins,etc.)...well, until they hired a DO..so who knows.

P.S. PCOM is not as highly regarded are you may think.

Dude, whatever. Most MDs that don't know much about DO asked:

MD: "Are you going to PCOM?"

Me: No.

MD: "Aww too bad. I'm sure you'll do okay anyway."

To a lot of people it's the only DO school that's worth applying to.


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Dude, whatever. Most MDs that don't know much about DO asked:

MD: "Are you going to PCOM?"

Me: No.

MD: "Aww too bad. I'm sure you'll do okay anyway."

To a lot of people it's the only DO school that's worth applying to.


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It depends on where you live. I said PCOM the other day and the three docs I was talking to looked at me like a cat does when you catch it in the litter box. Then they proceeded to tell me to apply to RVU and then talked about how well prepared their students are for like 5 minutes and how good it is for a DO school. :shrug: I don't think MDs really care about DO programs, they only pretend when you ask them about it
 
Dude, whatever. Most MDs that don't know much about DO asked:

MD: "Are you going to PCOM?"

Me: No.

MD: "Aww too bad. I'm sure you'll do okay anyway."

To a lot of people it's the only DO school that's worth applying to.


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The way I look at it, is a lot of the premeds who dont get into MD schools-and go to DO schools would probably end up as lab technicians, biology teachers, or something further away from their desired career, etc if DO schools didnt exist. Ill even stretch it far enough and say if Caribbean schools didn't exist.
These schools give people an opportunity (I'm talking about DO) to at least get a closer chance to what they wanted to become, a physician. As far as I know all DO schools have a decent match rate >80% which means that the students who chose to attend are finally getting their life long dream of becoming a physician.

People give a lot of hate to Liberty but hey, if it can atleast get me into family medicine, pediatrics and I can become a doctor rather than doing this desk job all day, Ill take it.
 
Since nobody has really posted a tier list, I thought I'd post one. It's open to changes if many people have a strong opinion.

Which schools deserve to have their tier moved up or down?

Tier 1 TCOM, CCOM, PCOM, MSU-COM, OSU-COM, OU-HCOM

Tier 2 RVU, DMU-COM, ATSU-Kirksville, NSUCOM, RowanSOM, UNECOM, KCU-COM

Tier 3 NYIT, TouroNY, TouroCA, LECOM-Bradenton, AZCOM, LECOM, PCOM-GA, ATSU-SOMA

Tier 4 ACOM, TouroNV, PWNU-COM, BCOM, WesternU/COMP, VCOM, MU-COM, WVSOM, WCUCOM, KYCOM, CUSOM

Tier 5 LMU-DCOM, LUCOM

New: ARCOM, UIWSOM
You may as well have randomly assigned these, given that there is nothing but opinion behind your list. It's meaningless garbage.
 
The way I look at it, is a lot of the premeds who dont get into MD schools-and go to DO schools would probably end up as lab technicians, biology teachers, or something further away from their desired career, etc if DO schools didnt exist. Ill even stretch it far enough and say if Caribbean schools didn't exist.
These schools give people an opportunity (I'm talking about DO) to at least get a closer chance to what they wanted to become, a physician. As far as I know all DO schools have a decent match rate >80% which means that the students who chose to attend are finally getting their life long dream of becoming a physician.

People give a lot of hate to Liberty but hey, if it can atleast get me into family medicine, pediatrics and I can become a doctor rather than doing this desk job all day, Ill take it.

They could just go to PA school. It's funny though that a lot of people apply only MD, and don't get in and don't even consider DO or PA. They go something completely different too.



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They could just go to PA school. It's funny though that a lot of people apply only MD, and don't get in and don't even consider DO or PA. They go something completely different too.



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Well theres lots of smaller options far away from being an actual physician. nurse, nurse practitioner, PA, cRNA, then theres the options like podiatrist, optometrists etc.

What I was trying to say is DO and MD have the same prospects in the end (besides the bias, I think they are equally eligible for every specialty in the US ). So someone who really wants to get into derm or or surgery or radiology or neurosurgery or obgyn without being a PA, can go to a DO school (granted the bias will make it harder, its not impossible).
 
I have to say that I'm not choosing the DO route as a "fallback to MD." I've been fascinated with the osteopathic medicine since I read A.T. Still's original philosophy. It's awesome how far it has come since then, and what the practice has turned into. I've worked extensively with both MD and DO, and I don't think one is necessarily better than the other. A quality physician is a quality physician... And if you're using DO as a back-up... Are you ever really going to be satisfied with it?

On that note, it is what you make of it. Go somewhere with a decent match list from previous years, kick some ass, and become a good doctor. If you can do the thing, and do it well, nobody cares what letters you have following your name.


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I have to say that I'm not choosing the DO route as a "fallback to MD." I've been fascinated with the osteopathic medicine since I read A.T. Still's original philosophy. It's awesome how far it has come since then, and what the practice has turned into. I've worked extensively with both MD and DO, and I don't think one is necessarily better than the other. A quality physician is a quality physician... And if you're using DO as a back-up... Are you ever really going to be satisfied with it?

On that note, it is what you make of it. Go somewhere with a decent match list from previous years, kick some ass, and become a good doctor. If you can do the thing, and do it well, nobody cares what letters you have following your name.


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You pretty much read my mind. the only part I would change is, yes if someone used DO as a backup, they will probably still be very happy with it because in the end they have a chance to become what ever doctor they wanted to become in the first place.

Personally if I could get an admissions letter to Harvard I would take it, the curriculum for almost all schools MD/ DO is aimed at performing well on the board exams, so with a little bit of additional prep, any school + hard work should get you where you want to be.
 
It depends on where you live. I said PCOM the other day and the three docs I was talking to looked at me like a cat does when you catch it in the litter box. Then they proceeded to tell me to apply to RVU and then talked about how well prepared their students are for like 5 minutes and how good it is for a DO school. :shrug: I don't think MDs really care about DO programs, they only pretend when you ask them about it
*sigh*

The way I look at it, is a lot of the premeds who dont get into MD schools-and go to DO schools would probably end up as lab technicians, biology teachers, or something further away from their desired career, etc if DO schools didnt exist. Ill even stretch it far enough and say if Caribbean schools didn't exist.
These schools give people an opportunity (I'm talking about DO) to at least get a closer chance to what they wanted to become, a physician. As far as I know all DO schools have a decent match rate >80% which means that the students who chose to attend are finally getting their life long dream of becoming a physician.

People give a lot of hate to Liberty but hey, if it can atleast get me into family medicine, pediatrics and I can become a doctor rather than doing this desk job all day, Ill take it.
Try >95%
Dude, whatever. Most MDs that don't know much about DO asked:

MD: "Are you going to PCOM?"

Me: No.

MD: "Aww too bad. I'm sure you'll do okay anyway."

To a lot of people it's the only DO school that's worth applying to.


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...this doesn't even deserve a response. I would put PCOM maybe 4th or 5th on my choices of where to attend. If you feel so strongly about PCOM then please tell me why instead of just saying it is so because it just is. I genuinely want to know WHY PCOM is the only DO school a lot of people will apply to..
 
*sigh*


Try >95%


...this doesn't even deserve a response. I would put PCOM maybe 4th or 5th on my choices of where to attend. If you feel so strongly about PCOM then please tell me why instead of just saying it is so because it just is. I genuinely want to know WHY PCOM is the only DO school a lot of people will apply to..

It's established, it's not in the middle of nowhere but in a big city, strong clinical affiliations (for a DO school), and they consistently perform well in the match.

It's not like it's the only DO school that fits this bill, but it's the most well known one that does. There's like what, 40 DO schools if you include branch campuses? If it's 4th or 5th on you list that means you must think pretty highly of it.




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It's established, it's not in the middle of nowhere but in a big city, strong clinical affiliations (for a DO school), and they consistently perform well in the match.

It's not like it's the only DO school that fits this bill, but it's the most well known one that does. There's like what, 40 DO schools if you include branch campuses? If it's 4th or 5th on you list that means you must think pretty highly of it.




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lol lame explanation.
 
lol lame explanation.

I will agree that it's overrated but when it's compared to schools that are just solitary buildings hours away from any semblance civilization then it's easy to see why it stands out.


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I will agree that it's overrated but when it's compared to schools that are just solitary buildings hours away from any semblance civilization then it's easy to see why it stands out.


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Its not overrated as far as DO schools go. But, I don't see how you could have such a great opinion without interviewing and or taking personal time at this and many other schools... Look at RVU for instance. They have a winning recipe for matching well, however they aren't old and established. Saying a school is good because it is old and established is the most surface level explanation, and in my conversations is frequently made by people who don't know much about the school personally.
 
I believe every schools do a decent at mefical education. It depends on the students to study and do well.
Well-established schools may have more opportunities to improve students portfolio to apply for residency. But in terms of medical education, I believe you should go somewhere that you have a stronng sense of connection with.
 
Its not overrated as far as DO schools go. But, I don't see how you could have such a great opinion without interviewing and or taking personal time at this and many other schools... Look at RVU for instance. They have a winning recipe for matching well, however they aren't old and established. Saying a school is good because it is old and established is the most surface level explanation, and in my conversations is frequently made by people who don't know much about the school personally.

My original point is that MDs have a high opinion of this school in comparison to other DO schools. The reasons why are listed in my previous post. In addition, it's because it's the one they've heard of which just goes along with being established. I agree with you about RVU, but it doesn't garner near the recognition that PCOM does by MDs and DOs even when compared other established schools.


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It's established, it's not in the middle of nowhere but in a big city, strong clinical affiliations (for a DO school), and they consistently perform well in the match.

It's not like it's the only DO school that fits this bill, but it's the most well known one that does. There's like what, 40 DO schools if you include branch campuses? If it's 4th or 5th on you list that means you must think pretty highly of it.




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My original point is that MDs have a high opinion of this school in comparison to other DO schools. The reasons why are listed in my previous post. In addition, it's because it's the one they've heard of which just goes along with being established. I agree with you about RVU, but it doesn't garner near the recognition that PCOM does by MDs and DOs even when compared other established schools.


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You are making generalized statements for THOUSANDS of physicians and students in the medical community. Just on this forum alone I have read of 5 others who do not agree with you, an that is just HERE. PCOM isn't as great as you think. I didn't say it was a bad school, but I can think of many schools that are just as good, if not better, than PCOM. I have no reason to argue with you that it is a good school, but also don't go out of your way to say that this is the ONLY DO school that physicians (fill in the blank). MSU, OK-State, and Ohio State are all three public university osteopathic medical schools that not only offer cheaper tuition and better rotations, but also have budgets that sometimes exceed that of PCOM's by some 2 fold. PCOM is by far one of the best DO schools, but it's definitely not out of other DO schools' league.
 
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MSU, OK-State, and Ohio State are all three public university osteopathic medical schools

I'm just going to put this here and let you figure out why you lose credibility with this statement.

but it's definitely out of other DO schools' leagu

Yeah no. PCOM is just as good as any of those state schools and their consistent performance in the match/boards proves it. The truth is that all DO schools will get a student to the same place if they work for it.

You still haven't explained your little *sigh* at my comment that opinions on DO schools tend to be regional.
 
I'm just going to put this here and let you figure out why you lose credibility with this statement.



Yeah no. PCOM is just as good as any of those state schools and their consistent performance in the match/boards proves it. The truth is that all DO schools will get a student to the same place if they work for it.

You still haven't explained your little *sigh* at my comment that opinions on DO schools tend to be regional.
that was a typo haha, I didn't mean that it WAS. Also, why do I lose credibility? Are you under the impression that I meant the Ohio MD school or something? All three of those schools are public university affiliated osteopathic medical schools. Enlighten me, haha.
 
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