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MFMaspirant said:
At the risk of sounding adversarial, I find the premise on which this thread is based to be incorrect. Our success in most things in life depends on our being in environments that are compatible with our individual goals and needs. Most of us won't be able to appreciate whether a school environment is a good fit until we've toured the school and interviewed with the faculty and students. If we are lucky enough to attend a school that meets our individual needs we will thrive. Basing decisions on statistics will potentially obscure other meaningful factors.
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Well said.
 
I realize that the majority of DO schools are in the Eastern half of the US (and that they are the schools that have been around longer), but I was wondering about the Western US. As someone that is more interested in staying in the West (nothing wrong with the East, I'm just a Westerner at heart), what schools do you guys like.

I still plan on applying to a few schools like MSU and DMU, just wondering about opinions about the few (7 or 8 i think) schools out in my neck of the woods.
 
CODrummer said:
where did you find the information to change your mind and move it from first to last?
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I dont understand why everyone thinks ranking so so irrelevent/ arbitrary. it matters and should depend on where the students match and how they score (pass rate) on COMLEX1/ USMLE1 . would that be too much to ask for?
 
cheese123 said:
I dont understand why everyone thinks ranking so so irrelevent/ arbitrary. it matters and should depend on where the students match and how they score (pass rate) on COMLEX1/ USMLE1 . would that be too much to ask for?
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All DO schools are lumped together when applying for residency. RVU is hailed as the worse DO school on SDN, but go look at their most recent match list. Its fine. Anesthesia at mayo, rad onc at baylor, surgery at university of Maryland....

It doesn't really matter where you go.
 
cheese123 said:
I dont understand why everyone thinks ranking so so irrelevent/ arbitrary. it matters and should depend on where the students match and how they score (pass rate) on COMLEX1/ USMLE1 . would that be too much to ask for?
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Ranking DO schools is definitely a waste of time. I would say just go for the more established school when it comes to DO because the probably have more options for rotations. Any list will be a biased list. For MD schools, most people go by the "Top Research School" list to determine what the top schools are. It is mainly for prestige. No matter where you go, it is all about how much effort YOU put in. Choosing one DO school over another because you saw a top 10 list on SDN would be a very poor decision.
 
cliquesh said:
All DO schools are lumped together when applying for residency. RVU is hailed as the worse DO school on SDN, but go look at their most recent match list. Its fine. Anesthesia at mayo, rad onc at baylor, surgery at university of Maryland....

It doesn't really matter where you go.
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But, but, but SDN said it does...:scared:

My ego hurts🙁
 
gmcguitar4 said:
ranking do schools is definitely a waste of time. I would say just go for the more established school when it comes to do because the probably have more options for rotations. Any list will be a biased list. For md schools, most people go by the "top research school" list to determine what the top schools are. It is mainly for prestige. No matter where you go, it is all about how much effort you put in. Choosing one do school over another because you saw a top 10 list on sdn would be a very poor decision.
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+1
 
cliquesh said:
All DO schools are lumped together when applying for residency. RVU is hailed as the worse DO school on SDN, but go look at their most recent match list. Its fine. Anesthesia at mayo, rad onc at baylor, surgery at university of Maryland....

It doesn't really matter where you go.
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👍 Truely, awesome!
 
cheese123 said:
I dont understand why everyone thinks ranking so so irrelevent/ arbitrary. it matters and should depend on where the students match and how they score (pass rate) on COMLEX1/ USMLE1 . would that be too much to ask for?
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ranking DO schools is stupid because they generally have no research, Which is a large component of how MD schools are ranked. How students score on COMLEX is totally student dependent, if you refuse to study, it wont help even if you go to Harvard. Looking at match list is also stupid, because it says nothing about whether the students get their most desired residency. So, in short, it is pretty much pointless trying to rank DO schools.
 
I could care less about the rankings due to "prestige" of certain schools, I'm just curious as to which schools are the best in terms of preserving opportunities to specialize. I am not positive what type of medicine I want to pursue (although I currently like EM), I just want to keep my options open. I have heard that KCOM, DMU, KCUMB, and PCOM are some of the better schools in this regard. Are there any that should be added to this list? And where does NSU fall in that category?

I should say that I am aware that opportunities to specialize has a lot more to do with one's personal effort in school/board scores and less to do with the school itself, but some schools seem to pump out a lot more family practice than other schools.
 
School you feel comfortable at >> a school you don't feel comfortable at. Nothing else really matters.
 
DO School Rankings (because I said so)

1. MSU-COM
2. DMU
3. PCOM
4. COMP
5. CCOM
6. AZCOM
7. Nova
8. KCUMB
9. All other DO schools
99. Thomas Cooley School of Law
 
O Grady said:
I could care less about the rankings due to "prestige" of certain schools, I'm just curious as to which schools are the best in terms of preserving opportunities to specialize. I am not positive what type of medicine I want to pursue (although I currently like EM), I just want to keep my options open. I have heard that KCOM, DMU, KCUMB, and PCOM are some of the better schools in this regard. Are there any that should be added to this list? And where does NSU fall in that category?
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Word of mouth says AZCOM and Western, but ranking DO schools is still stupid
 
Howisbabbyformd said:
DO School Rankings (because I said so)

1. MSU-COM
2. DMU
3. PCOM
4. COMP
5. CCOM
6. AZCOM
7. Nova
8. KCUMB
9. All other DO schools
99. Thomas Cooley School of Law
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lolwut @ no TCOM and OUHCOM

flemwar
 
Howisbabbyformd said:
DO School Rankings (because I said so)

1. MSU-COM
2. DMU
3. PCOM
4. COMP
5. CCOM
6. AZCOM
7. Nova
8. KCUMB
9. All other DO schools
99. Thomas Cooley School of Law
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Just out of curiosity, why do you put COM-PNWU so high? its a fairly new school so I wouldn't think it has very well established reputation/rotation sites
 
O Grady said:
Just out of curiosity, why do you put COM-PNWU so high? its a fairly new school so I wouldn't think it has very well established reputation/rotation sites
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COMP = Western =/= COMP-NW =/= PNWU
 
So is the extra 30,000 a year in tuition worth the money when comparing MSUCOM to RVU? MSUCOM is approaching $80,000 a year and RVU is approaching $50,000 a year.
 
I should have stated that is out-of-state for MSUCOM because their in-state tuition is still reasonable.
 
This is ridiculous and compiled by a bunch of pre-meds opinions.

/thread
 
as1212559 said:
Uhh, we're on a website that is ridiculous and compiled of a bunch of pre-med's opinions.
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Lol. True. Here's my list:

1) My school
2) Other school that accepted me.
3) The two schools that offered me interviews that I didn't attend.
4) Schools I wish I had applied to.
5) Every other school.
6) Instituto Superiore di Osteopatia
 
NurWollen said:
Lol. True. Here's my list:

1) My school
2) Other school that accepted me.
3) The two schools that offered me interviews that I didn't attend.
4) Schools I wish I had applied to.
5) Every other school.
6) Instituto Superiore di Osteopatia
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I agree with the first two lines. Good job, bro! 👍

/thread
 
Can anyone comment on NYCOM or NECOM? What is their reputation?? Also Touro in NY?
 
As for Touro NY and NYCOM, I've heard nothing but supportive talk in the NYC medical community.

I'm doing research at a very "prestigious" lab in a "highly ranked" MD school right now, and have had nothing but unanimous support regarding my matriculation in one of the two schools you mentioned. Check out rotation sites and match lists for those two schools if you're interested. Manhattan is pretty saturated with Cornell, Columbia, Sinai, Einstein, SUNYs within a few mile radius, but there are opportunities to rotate in those associated hospitals and also some great non-huge-university hospitals.

NYC is a great place if you're interested in research and has an insane medical community.
 
Jdoc91 said:
Can anyone comment on NYCOM or NECOM? What is their reputation?? Also Touro in NY?
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Touro-NY does not have much of a reputation..it just hasn't existed long enough. I would be cautious of it though because they are new. As the previous poster said, NYC is already pretty saturated with med students. I remember at my interview that they said they are surrounded by hospitals and are working on getting rotation sites for their students in the city. I read on SDN they said the same thing 3 years ago. They will continue to try but with the new influx of carribean students in nyc it doesn't look promising for NYC sites for Touro in the immediate future. NYCOM has a few sites in the other boroughs secured.

Question: It seems there is a lot of talk lately on SDN about poor quality of rotation sites with most if not all DO schools. Maybe if current med students could chime in..say if a student was very proactive about his/her learning and if they were placed at a bad teaching site, what ways could they turn it into a positive experience and try to get the most out of it?
 
I would have gone DO either way. It's just my personal preference. The whole MD/DO business is old news.
 
Sephy said:
I would have gone DO either way. It's just my personal preference. The whole MD/DO business is old news.
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When I got my MCAT score back, I thought the same thing.
 
Anicetus said:
When I got my MCAT score back, I thought the same thing.
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Ok, Im callin it...


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NurWollen said:
Lol. True. Here's my list:

1) My school
2) Other school that accepted me.
3) The two schools that offered me interviews that I didn't attend.
4) Schools I wish I had applied to.
5) Every other school.
6) Instituto Superiore di Osteopatia
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Funny and so true. 😳
 
General rule is that the older and more established schools (PCOM, KCOM, KCUMB, CCOM, Western, DMU) and those affiliated with public schools (UMDNJ, OUCOM, OSUCOM) provide the best training and rotations, but when it comes down to real life or residencies in ACGME, nobody is too impressed by your degree from PCOM.
 
DO schools aren't ranked. This can't ever be a serious discussion. Its tried a few times...but it can't.

We can discuss the quality of hospitals, rotations, curriculum, teachers, past scores, locations, funding...but those are specifics that can be in just about any school.

I wouldn't say that the school I choose outranks every other school, I would just say that I liked it more than any other school, for a number of reasons. In the end, AOA residencies seem to treat all DOs the same, and ACGME residencies lump us all together as well. (some regional preference can always be allowed for).

It's the same argument that will forever be here on SDN, but the real answer will always be that the majority of why you end up where you do is because of your own merit.
 
+1 to not being able to rank schools.

I've been pretty annoying in announcing it--but NSU-COM is my top choice.

The education I would receive is pretty much the same between all the schools. Thus the small things, that are now major factors for me are restaurants & entertainment nearby--food and shopping access---proximity to people.

The fact that NSU-COM has a Whole Foods, Costco, Ikea, Movie and Shopping Mall, and nice apartments + beach nearby---is definitely.

I'm a meat lover, and I eat Kosher food. Some of these rural DO schools, I question whether or not I could have my meat daily without some crazy cost or having to drive far out.

Pick the school you'd be most comfortable at for the next 2-4 years.
 
HalfListic said:
DO schools aren't ranked. This can't ever be a serious discussion. Its tried a few times...but it can't.

We can discuss the quality of hospitals, rotations, curriculum, teachers, past scores, locations, funding...but those are specifics that can be in just about any school.

I wouldn't say that the school I choose outranks every other school, I would just say that I liked it more than any other school, for a number of reasons. In the end, AOA residencies seem to treat all DOs the same, and ACGME residencies lump us all together as well. (some regional preference can always be allowed for).

It's the same argument that will forever be here on SDN, but the real answer will always be that the majority of why you end up where you do is because of your own merit.
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👍

Great answer. I think this sums the thread up nicely. There is no "academically prestigious/ research powerhouse" DO school. Your future is more decided on your own merit and not the name of your school.
 
LaughingMan said:
+1 to not being able to rank schools.

I've been pretty annoying in announcing it--but NSU-COM is my top choice.

The education I would receive is pretty much the same between all the schools. Thus the small things, that are now major factors for me are restaurants & entertainment nearby--food and shopping access---proximity to people.

The fact that NSU-COM has a Whole Foods, Costco, Ikea, Movie and Shopping Mall, and nice apartments + beach nearby---is definitely.

I'm a meat lover, and I eat Kosher food. Some of these rural DO schools, I question whether or not I could have my meat daily without some crazy cost or having to drive far out.

Pick the school you'd be most comfortable at for the next 2-4 years.
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👍
 
LaughingMan said:
+1 to not being able to rank schools.

I've been pretty annoying in announcing it--but NSU-COM is my top choice.

The education I would receive is pretty much the same between all the schools. Thus the small things, that are now major factors for me are restaurants & entertainment nearby--food and shopping access---proximity to people.

The fact that NSU-COM has a Whole Foods, Costco, Ikea, Movie and Shopping Mall, and nice apartments + beach nearby---is definitely.

I'm a meat lover, and I eat Kosher food. Some of these rural DO schools, I question whether or not I could have my meat daily without some crazy cost or having to drive far out.

Pick the school you'd be most comfortable at for the next 2-4 years.
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just wanted to say its cool youre a kosher eating meat lover. I'm in the same boat! can I ask where else you considered as viable options considering your situation? And you're at NSU-COM now? how is it?
 
JShen said:
just wanted to say its cool youre a kosher eating meat lover. I'm in the same boat! can I ask where else you considered as viable options considering your situation? And you're at NSU-COM now? how is it?
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Hey JShen, No no, I'll be applying this summer, and NSU-COM is my number one choice. Putting lots of effort in to hopefully gain an acceptance to NSU-COM.

When you say other viable options--are you referring to other possible schools?
 
I don't care about ranking, I just want help finding out which schools students find the most faculty support, highest quality facilities, and generally enjoy.

I'm having trouble knowing where to start looking!
 
Do you think the fact that ACOM will be working directly with a sole teaching hospital it will start out as a fairly strong group/match list? As opposed to other DO programs that work with smaller hospitals or multiple different locations? It seems to me that ACOM is modeling their program more like a traditional MD program in regards to clinicals - thoughts?
 
HopefulReapp said:
I don't care about ranking, I just want help finding out which schools students find the most faculty support, highest quality facilities, and generally enjoy.

I'm having trouble knowing where to start looking!
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I'd like a potential answer to this as well. From what I understand reading SDN, older is better, in so far as the older more established schools have had plenty of time to iron out the details and work on their reputations.

Caveat to this is Marian. I have heard great things about this school and they are brand spanking new.

If I am fortunate enough to get multiple interview invites and/or acceptances, I hope SDN will be a great resource in figuring out how to differentiate between programs.
 
Back 5 said:
I'd like a potential answer to this as well. From what I understand reading SDN, older is better, in so far as the older more established schools have had plenty of time to iron out the details and work on their reputations.

Caveat to this is Marian. I have heard great things about this school and they are brand spanking new.

If I am fortunate enough to get multiple interview invites and/or acceptances, I hope SDN will be a great resource in figuring out how to differentiate between programs.
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I'll give you a little advice ahead of time.
Goto the cheapest school in the location you like the best. Just work hard and it will pay off.
 
gmcguitar4 said:
I'll give you a little advice ahead of time.
Goto the cheapest school in the location you like the best. Just work hard and it will pay off.
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Cheapest and DO schools don't always work out together.

Unless I get into a public DO school as an OOS applicant, would you suggest someone (like me) chose LECOM over PCOM and/or similarly established schools? Significant difference in tuition costs.

BTW, this is not a knock on LECOM, I am very interested in understanding how and why you should chose a medical school.

I already owe more than $200k in school loans, so my interest is very personal :laugh:
 
HopefulReapp said:
I don't care about ranking, I just want help finding out which schools students find the most faculty support, highest quality facilities, and generally enjoy.

I'm having trouble knowing where to start looking!
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From my experience and a few friends (so n=4) , we found the faculty at DCOM to be very supportive whether it was applying for their DO program or their post-bacc. The facilities are really nice, as well, since it's a new school. It's in the middle of a national park so there isn't much to do but we all still managed to have fun. I can't really speak for the other schools.
 
Back 5 said:
Cheapest and DO schools don't always work out together.

Unless I get into a public DO school as an OOS applicant, would you suggest someone (like me) chose LECOM over PCOM and/or similarly established schools? Significant difference in tuition costs.

BTW, this is not a knock on LECOM, I am very interested in understanding how and why you should chose a medical school.

I already owe more than $200k in school loans, so my interest is very personal :laugh:
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Are you referring to PCOM Philly or GA- if GA keep in mind the cost of living from what I've heard Bradenton FL is much more expensive to live than Suwanee according to my family members that have lived in both regions
 
taco152 said:
How about ranking by ability to get non primary care residencies?
Also, do most schools consider EM to be primary?
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We can't rank them by the ability of students to get into a certain specialty. You could comprise a ranking of schools on your list with percentage of their graduates that go into primary care.

It doesn't matter what medical schools think of EM, what matters is whether you will want to include it into your hypothetical ranking.
 
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