Do you have to do premed things during a gap year

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If your application is already at a level where it can't really be improved on, and I want to still take a gap year (for personal reasons), would I be penalized for NOT doing any premed activity? Essentially my financial situation took a wild turn in the past 2 weeks, and the possibility of spending 2021 fall - 2022 summer on 'vacation' came up. If I applied in the 2022 cycle with zero changes from 2021 would that look bad?
 
I don't see why that would be an issue. You're essentially just taking a gap year to focus on yourself/mentality—penalizing you for that seems highly unlikely and rather dumb. Some people just need a break in between college and med school.
 
1) So you're saying I'm not allowed to have a mental break after undergrad? 2) I literally just can't? 3) Would applying now then deferring enrollment and taking 1 year of break be better then?
1) Does this "mental break" need to take an entire academic year?
2) What will your answer be for the fairly-common Secondary essay prompt, "If you are a reapplicant, what have you done to improve your application since last applying?" It's not a good look when you have no response.
3) Where would you be applying now? Deferrals are not always available. Some institutions give none, others only for very good reasons, "a break" not being one of them.
 
1) Does this "mental break" need to take an entire academic year?
2) What will your answer be for the fairly-common Secondary essay prompt, "If you are a reapplicant, what have you done to improve your application since last applying?" It's not a good look when you have no response.
3) Where would you be applying now? Deferrals are not always available. Some institutions give none, others only for very good reasons, "a break" not being one of them.
I don't know if it 'needs' to take an entire academic year, but it certainly wouldn't hurt. Also, I'm not a reapplicant so I don't see point 2 being applicable; I could certainly apply now (WARS 95), but my health (especially my physical health) is in dire need of improvement, and jumping right into medical school after undergrad, which is supposed to be significantly harder than undergrad, would definitely not be the best idea.

Now if you're insinuating that US medical schools would punish me for addressing my personal health issues that apparently aren't significant enough, then so be it, I would rather just apply now. That's why I'm asking.
 
I don't know if it 'needs' to take an entire academic year, but it certainly wouldn't hurt. Also, I'm not a reapplicant so I don't see point 2 being applicable; I could certainly apply now (WARS 95), but my health (especially my physical health) is in dire need of improvement, and jumping right into medical school after undergrad, which is supposed to be significantly harder than undergrad, would definitely not be the best idea.

Now if you're insinuating that US medical schools would punish me for addressing my personal health issues that apparently aren't significant enough, then so be it, I would rather just apply now. That's why I'm asking.
You never said you had health issues so severe you needed a year to get yourself well. This is what you said:
“Essentially my financial situation took a wild turn in the past 2 weeks, and the possibility of spending 2021 fall - 2022 summer on 'vacation' came up.”

So a year long vacation -no. Medical treatment and therapies etc. -sure.

And I’m pretty sure you can’t apply NOW. The cycle is pretty much wrapping up,and I think you’ve missed all deadlines. Maybe I’m wrong but you should check.
 
If your application is already at a level where it can't really be improved on, and I want to still take a gap year (for personal reasons), would I be penalized for NOT doing any premed activity? Essentially my financial situation took a wild turn in the past 2 weeks, and the possibility of spending 2021 fall - 2022 summer on 'vacation' came up. If I applied in the 2022 cycle with zero changes from 2021 would that look bad?
Just so things are clear.
 
You never said you had health issues so severe you needed a year to get yourself well. This is what you said:
“Essentially my financial situation took a wild turn in the past 2 weeks, and the possibility of spending 2021 fall - 2022 summer on 'vacation' came up.”

So a year long vacation -no. Medical treatment and therapies etc. -sure.

And I’m pretty sure you can’t apply NOW. The cycle is pretty much wrapping up,and I think you’ve missed all deadlines. Maybe I’m wrong but you should check.
Well, I don't want this to be about my health situation; it certainly isn't good but it's nothing for me to write up and act like it's actually serious enough to prevent me from applying or attending medical school. That is why I kept it listed as "for personal reasons."

Also by "now" I mean applying in the 2021 cycle—we already have to complete most of the AMCAS application including our personal statement by Jan 19 to prepare for school committee interviews (required and strictly set deadline), so I would have to make the decision to defer my application to 2022 (gap year) now.

Essentially my life would be significantly better (and I would be a better medical student) if I took a break from all things premed for a while before attending medical school. I have zero need to rack up more activity or positions if I were to take a gap year, and my financial situation has created pretty much endless possibilities for the gap year, of which I would want to spend on myself and improving myself as a person instead of scribing full-time or [insert another activity] that would serve no purpose. If me continuing to do my activities and applying senior year with a gap year—that will include zero things premed—would lower my chances of admissions, then I won't do it. This is my Q. Looks like I can't, and I'll be applying this year. Not the end of the world, but whatever, hate the process.
 
It looks like your question is can you do non-premed things for a year and be fine? The answer is yes. In my case, I was involved in only non-premed things in my last two years of college and my gap year, and my non-premed activities have come up in every single interview (clinical has only come up in some). You can definitely find ways to tie your activities back to medicine, and adcoms know that leadership and critical thinking can be built up in many settings.

I also planned to take a gap year for personal reasons but was going to do a part-time clinical job so I didn't look lazy. COVID-19 cancelled everything, and I was debating if I should take this clinical research position that would look really good for my app but would eat up most of my time, and was something I didn't care about. I decided to not, and took a (single) cc class, stayed lightly involved with clubs, tutoring a person, picked up some hobbies, and schools have not questioned it--one school even complimented my resourcefulness for finding things to do with cancelled plans. It's a risk, but if it's important to you and you think you have a strong app go for it imo. Maybe post a WAMC (or you can dm me) to guage your actual competitiveness rn. Also doing nothing premed for a year does not mean that you're literally doing nothing and you can bring up those other things you're doing (I talked about relatives I'm caring for and personal goals)
 
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Well, I don't want this to be about my health situation; it certainly isn't good but it's nothing for me to write up and act like it's actually serious enough to prevent me from applying or attending medical school. That is why I kept it listed as "for personal reasons."

Also by "now" I mean applying in the 2021 cycle—we already have to complete most of the AMCAS application including our personal statement by Jan 19 to prepare for school committee interviews (required and strictly set deadline), so I would have to make the decision to defer my application to 2022 (gap year) now.

Essentially my life would be significantly better (and I would be a better medical student) if I took a break from all things premed for a while before attending medical school. I have zero need to rack up more activity or positions if I were to take a gap year, and my financial situation has created pretty much endless possibilities for the gap year, of which I would want to spend on myself and improving myself as a person instead of scribing full-time or [insert another activity] that would serve no purpose. If me continuing to do my activities and applying senior year with a gap year—that will include zero things premed—would lower my chances of admissions, then I won't do it. This is my Q. Looks like I can't, and I'll be applying this year. Not the end of the world, but whatever, hate the process.
If I saw that you had an entire year of activity missing, I'd wonder what's up with this? Then I'd ask you about it in interviews.

In a seller's market, you don't wan to be raising eyebrows among Adcom members.

Surely, in your year off, it won't be harmful to engage in some activity that benefits those less fortunate than yourself?

Just a caveat, medical school is a furnace, and I've seen it break even healthy students. The #1 reason my school loses students to withdrawal, dismissal or LOA is to unresolved mental health issues.

So, IF you are having such issues now, taking a year off is good, but make sure that they are 100% under control before you start this process. I say this because I'm getting a strong whiff of defensiveness that seems out of place.
 
If I saw that you had an entire year of activity missing, I'd wonder what's up with this? Then I'd ask you about it in interviews.

In a seller's market, you don't wan to be raising eyebrows among Adcom members.

Surely, in your year off, it won't be harmful to engage in some activity that benefits those less fortunate than yourself?

Just a caveat, medical school is a furnace, and I've seen it break even healthy students. The #1 reason my school loses students to withdrawal, dismissal or LOA is to unresolved mental health issues.

So, IF you are having such issues now, taking a year off is good, but make sure that they are 100% under control before you start this process. I say this because I'm getting a strong whiff of defensiveness that seems out of place.
Thanks for the reply. And yeah I totally understand, but I'm still confused on the notion of "having an entire year missing." If I do what I originally had stated, I would apply my senior year WITH activities still ongoing until that fall (fall 2022) and then would have the following 2022-2023 year be my "nothing" year, which would be after applications and interviews (hopefully). With that in mind, interviewers wouldn't necessarily see a 'missing year' unless I explicitly tell them my gap year will consist of _____.

My question was a simple one but kind of got lost in discussion; anyway, yeah, I think what you said makes sense. I was just confused because I always thought a gap year could serve two purposes, one being obviously compensation/making up for lack of ___ in an application, or the other being to mature and spend time on yourself. I guess the latter was incorrect. So as long as I'm doing something of value during parts of my gap year I will generally be fine (as in I can't literally just do nothing for the entire time)?
 
1) I'm not a reapplicant so I don't see point 2 being applicable; I could certainly apply now (WARS 95)

2) Now if you're insinuating that US medical schools would punish me for addressing my personal health issues
1) You may feel you're a shoo-in for an acceptance somewhere, but that doesn't always happen on the first round, no matter how stellar your application might be. If you had to reapply, you'd be glad to have augmented your application during the application year.

2) I am not. But surely it wouldn't take 100% of your attention to address your health issues such that you could not engage in some volunteer effort and something clinically relevant, for at least a part of the year.
 
Nearly every secondary application asks what you're doing between the time you send the app in and matriculation, and it's also been asked at my interviews. To be honest, I wasn't really doing too much but I had a few ongoing non-clinical activities to talk about. I recommend finding 1 or 2 low-stress activities that you can keep going over the application year (like virtual tutoring) so you don't face problems answering those questions.
 
Thanks for the reply. And yeah I totally understand, but I'm still confused on the notion of "having an entire year missing." If I do what I originally had stated, I would apply my senior year WITH activities still ongoing until that fall (fall 2022) and then would have the following 2022-2023 year be my "nothing" year, which would be after applications and interviews (hopefully). With that in mind, interviewers wouldn't necessarily see a 'missing year' unless I explicitly tell them my gap year will consist of _____.

My question was a simple one but kind of got lost in discussion; anyway, yeah, I think what you said makes sense. I was just confused because I always thought a gap year could serve two purposes, one being obviously compensation/making up for lack of ___ in an application, or the other being to mature and spend time on yourself. I guess the latter was incorrect. So as long as I'm doing something of value during parts of my gap year I will generally be fine (as in I can't literally just do nothing for the entire time)?
I think it's worth mentioning that if you view "pre-med things" like volunteering, shadowing, research, etc as things that you don't want to do more than you have to, do you think you'll enjoy medical school and being a doctor? If they don't at least do a little something for you, I don't know what you want out of medical school tbh

Also, I would imagine the mentality of checking off the boxes and then being done is noticeable by adcoms. People who enjoy stuff tend to keep doing it. Personally, I'd feel uneasy about admitting someone who didn't even do a little volunteering in an entire year off.

All that to say, just do a little something. There are a lot of people who aren't in the great situation you're in
 
I took a gap year and I didn’t hurt me. Not sure if it helped me.

I worked part time and continued volunteer work that I was passionate about.

As long as you’re doing something productive (either just working or improving your mental health) and can talk about it when asked.
 
Also, I would imagine the mentality of checking off the boxes and then being done is noticeable by adcoms. People who enjoy stuff tend to keep doing it. Personally, I'd feel uneasy about admitting someone who didn't even do a little volunteering in an entire year off.
Well, it's not that I wouldn't want to do pre-med things, it's literally that I wouldn't be able to if I'm out of the country. I mean to cut it short I pretty much made 8 figures off of a position I had and wanted to supplement my gap year with that...as in taking a year off to focus on my well-being and having a good time before I embark on the 15 year trek to become a practicing physician. My career is more important but at the same time I'm 21 now and won't ever have another opportunity to take a significant break from everything academic (from what I understand) except for now or when I'm old af.
 
Well, it's not that I wouldn't want to do pre-med things, it's literally that I wouldn't be able to if I'm out of the country. I mean to cut it short I pretty much made 8 figures off of a position I had and wanted to supplement my gap year with that...as in taking a year off to focus on my well-being and having a good time before I embark on the 15 year trek to become a practicing physician. My career is more important but at the same time I'm 21 now and won't ever have another opportunity to take a significant break from everything academic (from what I understand) except for now or when I'm old af.
It's up to you, but I think an entire year of vacation is excessive. It will probably impact your chances - but it's hard to say to what degree.

Can't say it wouldn't be fun. Here's the important distinction though: If you want to do it because it would be super cool, that's understandable. If you want to do it because you think you need an entire year off to recuperate from undergrad level studies, I'd worry you're not gonna be able to handle medical school.

How do you make 8 figures at 21? Who are you, Mark Zuckerberg?
 
It's up to you, but I think an entire year of vacation is excessive. It will probably impact your chances - but it's hard to say to what degree.

Can't say it wouldn't be fun. Here's the important distinction though: If you want to do it because it would be super cool, that's understandable. If you want to do it because you think you need an entire year off to recuperate from undergrad level studies, I'd worry you're not gonna be able to handle medical school.

How do you make 8 figures at 21? Who are you, Mark Zuckerberg?
This^^^^^^. Did you really mean around $10 million, or are you counting pennies and is it more like $100K? If it's the former and you really want a break, I respectfully suggest you might want to rethink all of your future plans. If you want a break before you've actually begun, what is your motivation to push through going to be when you are in the thick of it, taking crap from all sorts of people, and then spending years and years working your a** off making next to nothing while you have $10 million in the bank? Helping people? Then why would you want a break from that during a gap year?
 
This^^^^^^. Did you really mean around $10 million, or are you counting pennies and is it more like $100K? If it's the former and you really want a break, I respectfully suggest you might want to rethink all of your future plans. If you want a break before you've actually begun, what is your motivation to push through going to be when you are in the thick of it, taking crap from all sorts of people, and then spending years and years working your a** off making next to nothing while you have $10 million in the bank? Helping people? Then why would you want a break from that during a gap year?
No, I was not counting pennies. It was a buyout of a startup I co-founded and I have significantly more than 10 million (actually I honestly don't know how taxes work in this case so maybe half of it gets taxed, IDK, this all was concluded 3 days ago); I got lucky, essentially, and it's not reproducible and I hated the work.

This thread has kind of devolved at this point from the simple question I asked, probably due to my vagueness, so sorry. Anyway, I don't plan on abandoning nor changing my career paths just because I happen to have a lot of money. My career goal has always been to become a physician and I've been constantly involved in healthcare activities throughout my life (including my startup, but I was working backend so it was not fun).

I do enjoy these activities. I am failing to see the point you are all making that me wanting a 'vacation' for 6 months or whatever is somehow equatable to me disliking or not wanting to do medical/premed things—I don't find them mutually exclusive, especially given my age. I can't go on a tour of Europe for months with my family (all being healthy) in the middle of residency in 10 years or whatever, but I can do it now. I'd rather enjoy this time given my newfound wealth as a young healthy person BEFORE I embark on this 15 year-long journey...I don't think this is abnormal.

To cut it short it seems like if I'm doing literally remotely productive during this time then I'll be okay, so that's an appropriate and happy medium. I would have zero issues writing this in some sort of secondary or saying it in an interview; if I get denied based on this, their loss.
 
No, I was not counting pennies. It was a buyout of a startup I co-founded and I have significantly more than 10 million (actually I honestly don't know how taxes work in this case so maybe half of it gets taxed, IDK, this all was concluded 3 days ago); I got lucky, essentially, and it's not reproducible and I hated the work.

This thread has kind of devolved at this point from the simple question I asked, probably due to my vagueness, so sorry. Anyway, I don't plan on abandoning nor changing my career paths just because I happen to have a lot of money. My career goal has always been to become a physician and I've been constantly involved in healthcare activities throughout my life (including my startup, but I was working backend so it was not fun).

I do enjoy these activities. I am failing to see the point you are all making that me wanting a 'vacation' for 6 months or whatever is somehow equatable to me disliking or not wanting to do medical/premed things—I don't find them mutually exclusive, especially given my age. I can't go on a tour of Europe for months with my family (all being healthy) in the middle of residency in 10 years or whatever, but I can do it now. I'd rather enjoy this time given my newfound wealth as a young healthy person BEFORE I embark on this 15 year-long journey...I don't think this is abnormal.

To cut it short it seems like if I'm doing literally remotely productive during this time then I'll be okay, so that's an appropriate and happy medium. I would have zero issues writing this in some sort of secondary or saying it in an interview; if I get denied based on this, their loss.
Congratulations, and good luck!! You should definitely do whatever feels right, and not worry about what a bunch of anonymous strangers on the internet think. If I were in your shoes, however, I really would try to use the time to seriously question my willingness to put up with all the BS you are going to be subjected to over the next 10 or so years, given the fact that you do now possess life changing wealth. People walk away from all kinds of stressful situations every day for a lot less.

The issue is going to be whether or not you are deemed to be sufficiently driven and properly motivated. People here were questioning it before you revealed your windfall. You have now provided context, and it makes perfect sense why you see no need to grind away during a gap year to further improve an already stellar application. I wouldn't either in your position.

The fact remains, however, that you also might not see the need to grind away in med school, or in residency. If adcoms get even a whiff of that, it might indeed end up being their loss, in which case you might have spent the time you are going to spend applying in a more productive and less frustrating manner.

In your early 20s you have already accumulated more wealth than many people, even in the profession, will after a lifetime. How are you going to feel, when you are mentally and physically exhausted, taking crap from an attending when you can buy and sell him or her 1,000 times over?

Money isn't everything, but you do have the financial freedom to do whatever you want, including spending a gap year f***ing around. Your lack of willingness to play the game during a gap year, or to apply straight through with an "application ... already at a level where it can't really be improved on" might be deemed to be an early indicator that you are not going to be motivated to put up with the s**t the rest of us will to get from Point A to Point B. And, the truth is, they just might be right. I don't think you will help yourself at all by talking about your good fortune in your application, and, if you don't, your gap year will not have the proper context and might end up representing a red flag.

Again, the best of luck to you. You really are set up to do pretty much anything you want with your life. Try to choose wisely.
 
Gap years are perfectly fine as long as you’re doing something.
 
Have you thought about combining your new wealth along with your desire to travel for a year and then using that to continue to help those less fortunate?

Ex: let’s say you take a 3 month trip through Asia and visit multiple countries. Maybe pick an organization that you believe in their missions and goals in each place you visit, make a donation (even if it’s small) and spending a couple of days volunteering at the organizations?

You still get to have your vacation time, but you can make a huge difference to many people giving time to causes you believe in and it would look amazing on any medical school application.
 
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