Do you ONLY apply to MD schools? Why not DO?

[Geekchick921]

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And we routinely get professors from Temple,Jeff, etc. If they thought down on PCOM for being a DO school you think they would bother coming here as guest lecturers?

Absolutely not. 🙂 Temple, Jeff, Drexel and PCOM share of a lot of rotation sites as well, IIRC, right?

I've worked with so many DOs here and I've never noticed a difference in any capacity. Also, Chicklet was delivered by a DO and I had surgery with another and he had the best bedside manner of any doctor that's ever taken care of me.

 

[Slack3r]

(no offense to ASU folks)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7RmG4IM1dU

 

[willen101383]

Absolutely not. 🙂 Temple, Jeff, Drexel and PCOM share of a lot of rotation sites as well, IIRC, right?

I've worked with so many DOs here and I've never noticed a difference in any capacity. Also, Chicklet was delivered by a DO and I had surgery with another and he had the best bedside manner of any doctor that's ever taken care of me.

Yep we share rotation sites! Point is...there is really no difference at my school vs other Philly MD schools aside from learning OMM.

But despite all the evidence to the advancement of DO schools etc, the premeds who insist on being douches will remain that way and nothing will change their mind....so why even bother.

 

[docdonny]

I was advised by a family friend who works at an NYC hospital that their hospital has a blanket no-DO policy.

Getting a doctorate is a hard-****ing-road, no matter the initials after your name, and I don't want to come out the other side and have to deal with crap like this.

do you know what hospital it is and is the person a doctor? Im not sure what hospital would allow hoards of FMGs to rotate through the hospital but not allow a board physician to not work there

 

[Norick13]

do you know what hospital it is and is the person a doctor? Im not sure what hospital would allow hoards of FMGs to rotate through the hospital but not allow a board physician to not work there

Yes, and yes. I am almost positive his hospital isn't rotating hordes of FMGs, but it certainly is educating many domestic graduates/current students.

 

[JaggerPlate]

As far as I understand it (and I'm very removed from this particular situation) the NY hospitals are in a bit of a crisis right now, as the Caribbean medical schools are paying MILLIONS to hospitals each year to let their students rotation though, and solid, US, NY programs are losing spots left and right. My guess is that this anti-DO policy is one of two things: 1. A preemptive reaction to the described situation (some smart admin also affiliated with the university who figured out they should restrict it somewhere) 2. one of the very few hospitals that has a sort of anti-something policy.

Altogether, I'd worry more about the spots in NY drying up than I would about DOs having issues rotations in NY. It's my understanding that NYCOM has a solid rep in the community and good rotation sites (and I've heard good things about Touro-Harlem as well).

 

[mvenus929]

Cost effective ehh not really I'm pretty sure the ACCOMAS application cost is the same as AMCAS and if you are worried about spending the extra $90 bucks to get verified, when DO secondaries are like $50-60 and MD where around $70 (GWash $120 😡) they'll add up quick. And for all the one's bitching about filling out another application it takes like two hours. On the other hand the thought that I have to learn cranial makes me cry a little.

Sure, but it's also like $500-$1000 to put down a deposit. The school I currently attend didn't even require a deposit; if it had, it would've been small ($100 or so) and refundable up until May 15th.

 

[Slack3r]

Altogether, I'd worry more about the spots in NY drying up than I would about DOs having issues rotations in NY.

I'd worry more about practicing/living in a physician-unfriendly, socialist-wet-dream state like NY.

 

[Bacchus]

Sure, but it's also like $500-$1000 to put down a deposit. The school I currently attend didn't even require a deposit; if it had, it would've been small ($100 or so) and refundable up until May 15th.

If you apply early and wisely this usually isn't a problem. But, I can see the hesitation. I guess its good PCOM only requires a 250 dollar deposit at first.

 

[patel2]

Graduating last is graduating last. The difference is, if you graduate last at Harvard, you still get your choice of residency, for the most part because you graduated last at Harvard. Now, compare that with someone graduating last from a state MD school and they have to work harder to match into the same specialty/residency as the kid who graduated last at Harvard. IMO, it's partly name-recognition and the fact that PDs, like you, assume that someone graduating last at Harvard would be at the top of the class anywhere else.

I disagree and if this were true, I think it's more of a reflection of the types of students at Harvard. I bet it's fair to say the average USMLE at Harvard is higher than other schools. Studies show some degree of MCAT to USMLE correlation, and a school that averages a 38 MCAT for admissions probably dominates the boards. In a class that averages a 3.8 and 38 mcat, someone has to be at the bottom by virtue of statistics. I think it's apples to oranges to compare the bottom ranked person at Harvard to the bottom ranked person of another medical school (the harvard student may have done better somewhere else).

A strong-caliber of motivated students + good standardized test takers will get into a good residency anywhere. Preclinical grades and ranks are way down on the list of importance to PDs, and some deans letters don't even include either (Yale and Stanford don't for example.)

 

[Just Joshin]

I disagree and if this were true, I think it's more of a reflection of the types of students at Harvard. I bet it's fair to say the average USMLE at Harvard is higher than other schools. Studies show some degree of MCAT to USMLE correlation, and a school that averages a 38 MCAT for admissions probably dominates the boards.

Harvard's MCAT average is 35-36, but that's neither here nor there. And I wouldn't bank on MCAT/USMLE correlations, but again, that's neither here nor there.

I think it's apples to oranges to compare the bottom ranked person at Harvard to the bottom ranked person of another medical school (the harvard student may have done better somewhere else).

Not sure what that means, but you're naive if you don't think the Harvard name helps graduates in scoping out residencies.

Preclinical grades and ranks are way down on the list of importance to PDs, and some deans letters don't even include either (Yale and Stanford don't for example.)

Most schools that don't have preclinical grades do have clinical grades and do rank their students based on those.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I'd worry more about practicing/living in a physician-unfriendly, socialist-wet-dream state like NY.

 

[gettheleadout]

Harvard's MCAT average is 35-36, but that's neither here nor there. And I wouldn't bank on MCAT/USMLE correlations, but again, that's neither here nor there.



Not sure what that means, but you're naive if you don't think the Harvard name helps graduates in scoping out residencies.



Most schools that don't have preclinical grades do have clinical grades and do rank their students based on those.

Yes, the name recognition contributes somewhat, but correlation doesn't equal causation and just because students from Harvard match well doesn't mean it's because they went to Harvard. The caliber of student (disregarding MCAT/USMLE correlations) admitted to HMS is way above the average in terms of work ethic, determination, ambition, etc... and this all contributes to the likelihood of them performing well in med school.

Also, Yale, Mayo, etc... don't have any internal ranking system.

 

[TheRunner]

Nevermind residencies, I've known of entire hospital systems who won't grant practice privileges to DO's. That was a major drawback for me this past year.

 

[Bacchus]

Nevermind residencies, I've known of entire hospital systems who won't grant practice privileges to DO's. That was a major drawback for me this past year.

Such as which systems?

 

[denco88]

I was advised by a family friend who works at an NYC hospital that their hospital has a blanket no-DO policy.

Getting a doctorate is a hard-****ing-road, no matter the initials after your name, and I don't want to come out the other side and have to deal with crap like this.

I'm trying to figure out which hospital you are talking about... I am from the area, so I decided to look up some of the big ones....

NYP- http://app1.nyp.org/fad/searchDoctor.htm
Sloan-Kettering- http://www.mskcc.org/prg/prg/bios/958.cfm
HSS- http://www.hss.edu/physicians_lans-allan.asp
Beth Israel- http://www.hss.edu/physicians_lans-allan.asp
Mt. Sinai, NYU- (Check out his internship, residency, fellowship, current hospital affiliation)- http://www.summitmedicalgroup.com/doctor/ecohen/

Whatever hospital you are talking about is definitely the exception, and probably not worth it anyway.

 

[Poliscidoc]

Nevermind residencies, I've known of entire hospital systems who won't grant practice privileges to DO's. That was a major drawback for me this past year.

Im going to go ahead and call bull****

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Nevermind residencies, I've known of entire hospital systems who won't grant practice privileges to DO's. That was a major drawback for me this past year.

BS! And I say that as an MD student. No need to make up lies.

 

[UbuntuGM]

Originally Posted by TheRunner
"Nevermind residencies, I've known of entire hospital systems who won't grant practice privileges to DO's. That was a major drawback for me this past year."

i call bull**** on this.^

 

[ClandestineStar]

(10) I didn't want my grades from age 18/19 follow me around for the rest of my career
(11) I'm not in a hurry
(12) Very interested in surgery or surgical subspecialties
(13) Dislike business model of DO schools

Can anyone explain this to me? How does your undergrad grade follow you in med school if you do D.O?

 

[donttazemebro]

the only down sides that i've found to DO were matching into a competitive specialty, the fewer AOA fellowships, spending time learning omm, and having to worry about usmle and comlex if someone wants to try the allo match.


if i end up at DO, then i'll just shift my focus strictly towards matching to EM.

 

[WashMe]

Can anyone explain this to me? How does your undergrad grade follow you in med school if you do D.O?

Well, I don't think it's necessarily true, but I'm sure it's implicit that a D.O. probably attended a D.O. school because they had to. Thus, it may be a scarlet letter. It shouldn't matter (and in many cases it doesn't matter), but I think some people still have a bias. I attend an MD school but I had a close affiliation with a DO school a few years ago, and I thought it was an excellent program. I declined their interview, but I still respect the school and its graduates.

 

[ClandestineStar]

Well, I don't think it's necessarily true, but I'm sure it's implicit that a D.O. probably attended a D.O. school because they had to. Thus, it may be a scarlet letter. It shouldn't matter (and in many cases it doesn't matter), but I think some people still have a bias. I attend an MD school but I had a close affiliation with a DO school a few years ago, and I thought it was an excellent program. I declined their interview, but I still respect the school and its graduates.

Ah! That sounds logical. Thanks 🙂

 

[willen101383]

same here at UMDNJ-SOM.

one of our anatomy professors, the head of our neuroscience course, is on faculty at upenn med and has received teaching awards from upenn med, drexel med, creighton med, and robert wood johnson med.

I just listened to a lecture from a UMDNJ professor actually!