Does a SURP help in getting into the med school that you do it at?

[baratheonfire]

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Suppose I did a SURP at Mt. Sinai medical school, would it be an advantage to get into their school?
Please don't give me responses like "you should be doing it for the joy of research and the pure feeling it creates in your heart", they aren't helpful and are just preachy.
Thanks

 

[cantankerous]

Please don't give me responses like "you should be doing it for the joy of research and the pure feeling it creates in your heart", they aren't helpful and are just preachy.

lol you're just calling for the moral high-horse "medicine is my life" premeds to attack you

 

[GrapesofRath]

No

 

[baratheonfire]

No

Could you explain your reasoning?

 

[GrapesofRath]

Could you explain your reasoning?

Um, it just doesn't?

Better question is why do you think a school that can be competitive enough it can have a 3.9/37 median would care about whether or not somebody did a summer program there.

 

[wagonwheel23]

Do not expect LOR from the "right" person to open doors.

 

[baratheonfire]

Um, it just doesn't?

Better question is why do you think a school that can be competitive enough it can have a 3.9/37 median would care about whether or not somebody did a summer program there.

I mean their SURP is pretty hard to get into, and it's not like you're paying to get in, they pay you
Also where did you get those stats bro

 

[GrapesofRath]

I mean their SURP is pretty hard to get into, and it's not like you're paying to get in, they pay you
Also where did you get those stats bro

SURP and medical school admission are two completely different things. Check out MSAR for stats.

 

[md-2020]

Also where did you get those stats bro

MSAR.

He rounded up but the avg at Icahn is indeed ~3.9/37

 

[baratheonfire]

So how does it help? Is it not worth it if I'm already doing research at my uni?

 

[GrapesofRath]

So how does it help? Is it not worth it if I'm already doing research at my uni?

It will have no impact on your application to Mt Sinai

 

[baratheonfire]

Then why do people do it? Besides the fact that "it speaks to their soul".

 

[md-2020]

Then why do people do it? Besides the fact that "it speaks to their soul".

Some people actually enjoy research. I am one such person.

 

[baratheonfire]

I know, but why specifically apply to SURP's and programs outside their university, when they're already doing research at their university? And please, no more sentimental reasons.

 

[Lucca]

I know, but why specifically apply to SURP's and programs outside their university, when they're already doing research at their university? And please, no more sentimental reasons.

Some people can find better opportunities outside of their universities. Some of them want a summer gig to try something out instead of signing up for a multi-year commitment from the get go. Some people don't want to do research during the academic year because they are busy with other things and research isn't particularly important to them outside of the box checking aspect. Some people go to liberal arts colleges without attractive research opportunities in the sciences for undergrads. Etc etc.

Also why are u so turned off by the idea that people like the stuff they do lol.

 

[goldy490]

Why in the world do you think people would do paid research at Mt. Sinai? Finding paid research gigs isnt easy, and Mt. Sinai has some awesome stuff going on compared to many smaller schools. Theres no "Soul speaking", its just something they want to do. And while it doesnt make you a better applicant at THAT SCHOOL, it is research which is good to do if you want to get admitted.

 

[baratheonfire]

Also why are u so turned off by the idea that people like the stuff they do lol.

Because I already know that, and it's not helpful. And most people don't just do EC's because they like them, there has to be some kind of professional benefit as well

 

[Lucca]

Because I already know that, and it's not helpful. And most people don't just do EC's because they like them, there has to be some kind of professional benefit as well

Well the 2-6k you can make in a summer is pretty worth it imho. The professional benefit is in the experience. Hopefully at the end you have a poster (at the very least) to show for it and you are less crap at research so if you choose to continue you can be better at it and be more productive therefore earn respect and accolades......etc

The benefit doesn't have to explicitly be a "get into medical school" signature at the bottom of a letter. A strong letter no matter where from is good enough.

 

[SteveRope123]

Because I already know that, and it's not helpful. And most people don't just do EC's because they like them, there has to be some kind of professional benefit as well

4K is the benefit. I love research and have done it for many years. But I'm not going to say no to a 4,000$ research gig with housing and food covered. Also, networking with faculty at the university helps me expand my professional network regardless of whether it improves my chances to get into their med school or not.

 

[BSHH1996]

UNMC SURP application website specifically states that it makes your more competitive to get into their graduate programs on campus if you are in the SURP.
So YES it does help.

 

[Endoxifen]

I don't think it will make your application. More important will be the relationships you make with the faculty. A letter from a faculty member that the admission's committee know may make a difference.

 

[Verity]

UNMC SURP application website specifically states that it makes your more competitive to get into their graduate programs on campus if you are in the SURP.
So YES it does help.

For a PhD, yes. These summer research programs are largely designed to be a recruiting tool for their graduate research programs, not for pre-med students looking for an added extracurricular. (Unless advertised as MSTP or med prep, obviously)

 

[Endoxifen]

For a PhD, yes. These summer research programs are largely designed to be a recruiting tool for their graduate research programs, not for pre-med students looking for an added extracurricular. (Unless advertised as MSTP or med prep, obviously)

It's true, but I expect there is a little back and forth. I wanted to be a PhD for a long time and I went to Mayo's SURF program. They told us they had several several med students who had gone through their SURF program. I doubt it made their app, but it definitely didn't hurt. (Though, admittedly, Mayo's standards are a bit unorthodox)

 

[Verity]

I'd say Mayo is slightly different than most programs. They take a relatively large SURF class of over 100, and openly invite the class to MD recruiting seminars. The other summer program I participated in made it quite clear that they wanted us to apply as a PhD student (and that we'd be quite favored), but were reluctant to discuss their MD program, explaining that pre-med geared summer programs exist for that purpose.