Does this sound right? Involuntary service

[pmoney]

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So we all know when you sign your HPSP papers its 8 years (incl the IRR years). We also all know that the military has a stop loss that can prevent you from separating active duty if they 'need' you. And one of the AD dentists on here I believe mentioned that he was supposed to separate in say 1 Jan 2009, but since his unit was sent to Iraq, he couldn't separate until say 1 Sept 2009, when that Unit returns.

I would be assuming that the stop loss type of prevention of separation is relatively rare, but who knows what the military's needs will be 8-10 years from now.

I was speaking to an AD Signals Major and he was telling me a story of how in 2004 when he was in Germany he had some LTC dentist who was super disgruntled because he was "Forced" to serve an extra 2 years, "Forced" to backfill a position in some clinic in Germany. And of chourse he did a terrible job on the filling, open margins or something, that caused the restoration to fall out two years later.

Does this sound right? I mean everyone has horror stories, but can you really be forced to serve time after you are supposed to separate? I'd imagine the only time this would happen were the 2 things I mentioned above (stop loss and if you are deployed and they wont' let you get out before you get back). And from what I understand Stop loss at least for dentists is kind of rare.

Do you active duty folks think there is more to this story or have you heard of people not being able to leave at their planned separation date?

 

[AFDDS]

So we all know when you sign your HPSP papers its 8 years (incl the IRR years). We also all know that the military has a stop loss that can prevent you from separating active duty if they 'need' you. And one of the AD dentists on here I believe mentioned that he was supposed to separate in say 1 Jan 2009, but since his unit was sent to Iraq, he couldn't separate until say 1 Sept 2009, when that Unit returns.

I would be assuming that the stop loss type of prevention of separation is relatively rare, but who knows what the military's needs will be 8-10 years from now.

I was speaking to an AD Signals Major and he was telling me a story of how in 2004 when he was in Germany he had some LTC dentist who was super disgruntled because he was "Forced" to serve an extra 2 years, "Forced" to backfill a position in some clinic in Germany. And of chourse he did a terrible job on the filling, open margins or something, that caused the restoration to fall out two years later.

Does this sound right? I mean everyone has horror stories, but can you really be forced to serve time after you are supposed to separate? I'd imagine the only time this would happen were the 2 things I mentioned above (stop loss and if you are deployed and they wont' let you get out before you get back). And from what I understand Stop loss at least for dentists is kind of rare.

Do you active duty folks think there is more to this story or have you heard of people not being able to leave at their planned separation date?

Hasn't happened in the AF

 

[Kabek]

Does this sound right? I mean everyone has horror stories, but can you really be forced to serve time after you are supposed to separate? I'd imagine the only time this would happen were the 2 things I mentioned above (stop loss and if you are deployed and they wont' let you get out before you get back). And from what I understand Stop loss at least for dentists is kind of rare.

Do you active duty folks think there is more to this story or have you heard of people not being able to leave at their planned separation date?

At the current time chances of being held back in a stop loss are significantly less then they were. It happened to me in 2003 and several others I know in the Army. I don't know anyone it has happened to recently on the AMEDD side of the house.

 

[umkcdds]

i'm assuming that the AD signals major also went to dental school, since he obviously knows that the restoration failed because of a poor margin?

 

[krmower]

So we all know when you sign your HPSP papers its 8 years (incl the IRR years). We also all know that the military has a stop loss that can prevent you from separating active duty if they 'need' you. And one of the AD dentists on here I believe mentioned that he was supposed to separate in say 1 Jan 2009, but since his unit was sent to Iraq, he couldn't separate until say 1 Sept 2009, when that Unit returns.

I would be assuming that the stop loss type of prevention of separation is relatively rare, but who knows what the military's needs will be 8-10 years from now.

I was speaking to an AD Signals Major and he was telling me a story of how in 2004 when he was in Germany he had some LTC dentist who was super disgruntled because he was "Forced" to serve an extra 2 years, "Forced" to backfill a position in some clinic in Germany. And of chourse he did a terrible job on the filling, open margins or something, that caused the restoration to fall out two years later.

Does this sound right? I mean everyone has horror stories, but can you really be forced to serve time after you are supposed to separate? I'd imagine the only time this would happen were the 2 things I mentioned above (stop loss and if you are deployed and they wont' let you get out before you get back). And from what I understand Stop loss at least for dentists is kind of rare.

Do you active duty folks think there is more to this story or have you heard of people not being able to leave at their planned separation date?

Only time stop loss will occur is:

1) You are assigned to a combat unit as their dentist - therefore you work for them, not the Dental Corps. Policies the Dental Corps has in place don't affect you. In this situation you would have to finish out the deployment with them before they would release you.

2) You haven't submitted your papers to get out and you suddenly get notified that you are going to deploy. So what do you do - you hurry and try to submit the papers saying you want to get out now (that should have been submitted 6-10 months ago). In this situation, since you hadn't given any indication you were getting out, you would probably still deploy.

These 2 situations would affect a very small # of people.

 

[pmoney]

i'm assuming that the AD signals major also went to dental school, since he obviously knows that the restoration failed because of a poor margin?

I was surprised by this, I would assume he had been told this by the dentist that replaced the restoration?

 

[combatdentist]

This is true if you are assigned as a FORSCOM dentist. If you are assigned with an infantry brigade and you deploy you stay with them the whole tour and sometimes this can be past your date of separation. When you get back you can than separate from the Army. Most people I have seen or heard about usually this adds 3-6 months. Most FORSCOM dentist are assigned to the unit for 2 years. (one year home and one year deployed). I ended up with 3 years with the infantry brigade.

If you are assigned as a MEDCOM dentist to a DENTAL ACTIVITY (DENTAC) you will not be stop lossed. As a DENTAC dentist you can deploy as a "professional filler" (PROFIS) but this is only for 6 months.

Out of the 300-400 63A's (general dentists) I would say only about 50 are FORSCOM dentist (don't quote me though)

I have never heard of any dentist being called out of the IRR (those other 4 years of your 8 year obligation)