Does Univ. of Miami or OHSU take many OOS applicants?

[vmc303]

Curious about both of these schools. I have a 3.45 (4.0 post-bac), 35 MCAT. I'd be happy to attend either of these schools, but I'm having trouble deciding whether it's worth the fee to apply.

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[jillibean]

Curious about both of these schools. I have a 3.45 (4.0 post-bac), 35 MCAT. I'd be happy to attend either of these schools, but I'm having trouble deciding whether it's worth the fee to apply.

Your stats would have been very competitive for an OOS applicant at OHSU in the last couple of years.... however, I heard that they are cutting back on their OOS students this year and are planning on only accepting URM from OOS, but I'm still going to apply.

As for Miami, I heard you need a 3.6 GPA to be taken seriously, but I am still applying there too.

 

[narc]

Your stats would have been very competitive for an OOS applicant at OHSU in the last couple of years.... however, I heard that they are cutting back on their OOS students this year and are planning on only accepting URM from OOS, but I'm still going to apply.

As for Miami, I heard you need a 3.6 GPA to be taken seriously, but I am still applying there too.

Yep, you need a 3.6 OOS GPA to even get Miami's secondary

 

[SpinEcho13]

Hmm, I hope OHSU isn't really cutting down on their OOS applicants... I am well above their average numbers, both in MSAR and on MDapplicants, I hope I still stand a chance. (being a white male sucks)

Where did you get that info?

 

[jillibean]

Hmm, I hope OHSU isn't really cutting down on their OOS applicants... I am well above their average numbers, both in MSAR and on MDapplicants, I hope I still stand a chance. (being a white male sucks)

Where did you get that info?

I currently live in Oregon, but I'm applying as an Idaho resident (since my parents are there). I thought ID would be better since there are reserved spots for Idahoans at two med schools and OHSU also considers OOS students, but now everyone is telling me that things are changing in Oregon (which is true... there is a lot of backlash from Oregonians about how OHSU spends money on things that don't benefit the people here and I think OHSU is trying to appease the community by only accepting people from OOS that will add to the diversity of the class)... but I am still going to apply. Have you read the OHSU thread? I think it will give more info on everyones feelings about the place.

The other thing to consider about OHSU is how they do there admissions. You'll notice on mdapplicants the stats for people that are interviewed are higher than those of people that are accepted. I was told that 25% of admission is your pre-interview score (MCAT, science GPA, GPA, secondary essay are considered EQUALLY for this score) the other 75% is made up of your two interviewers opinion of you (based mainly on maturity, hands-on clinical experience, and LORS and they are 100% blind to your stats)

 

[Darkshooter326]

Hmm, I hope OHSU isn't really cutting down on their OOS applicants... I am well above their average numbers, both in MSAR and on MDapplicants, I hope I still stand a chance. (being a white male sucks)

Yea, who knows 😎

 

[jackieMD2007]

From MSAR:

Med Univ of Ohio
Non-Resident Apps 1814
Non-Resident Inter 178 (9.5%)
Non-Res Matriculants 52 (out of 147 total) is 35% of the class.
Median MCAT 30 (10/10/10)
Median Sci GPA 3.61

U Miami-Miller
Non-Resident Apps 2405
Non-Resident Interv 100 (4.1%)
Non-Res Matriculants 30 (out of 182) 16%
Median MCAT 30 (10/10/10)
Median Sci GPA 3.75

 

[Oculus Sinistra]

Yep, you need a 3.6 OOS GPA to even get Miami's secondary

True...

From their website:

If you are a resident of Florida, you must have at least a 3.2 undergraduate GPA, or a post-bac or graduate GPA of at least 3.5 (for a minimum of 15 credits which must appear on your AMCAS application. Non-Floridians must have a minimum undergraduate GPA of 3.6. Post-bac and graduate GPAs are not considered for residents of other states. In addition, all applicants must have a minimum composite MCAT score of 24. But to be truly competitive, Floridians and non-Floridians alike should have an MCAT score of 30 or higher

 

[DoctorPardi]

From MSAR: corrected for OHSU

The Ohio State University
Non-Resident Apps 3003
Non-Resident Inter 117
Non-Res Matriculants 90 (out of 210 total)
Median MCAT 30 (11/11/11)
Median Sci GPA 3.8

U Miami-Miller
Non-Resident Apps 2405
Non-Resident Interv 100 (4.1%)
Non-Res Matriculants 30 (out of 182) 16%
Median MCAT 30 (10/10/10)
Median Sci GPA 3.75

Corrected for OHSU

 

[CanIMakeIt]

OHSU = Oregon Health & Science University

 

[robh]

I currently live in Oregon, but I'm applying as an Idaho resident (since my parents are there). I thought ID would be better since there are reserved spots for Idahoans at two med schools and OHSU also considers OOS students, but now everyone is telling me that things are changing in Oregon (which is true... there is a lot of backlash from Oregonians about how OHSU spends money on things that don't benefit the people here and I think OHSU is trying to appease the community by only accepting people from OOS that will add to the diversity of the class)... but I am still going to apply. Have you read the OHSU thread? I think it will give more info on everyones feelings about the place.

The other thing to consider about OHSU is how they do there admissions. You'll notice on mdapplicants the stats for people that are interviewed are higher than those of people that are accepted. I was told that 25% of admission is your pre-interview score (MCAT, science GPA, GPA, secondary essay are considered EQUALLY for this score) the other 75% is made up of your two interviewers opinion of you (based mainly on maturity, hands-on clinical experience, and LORS and they are 100% blind to your stats)

For what it's worth, I have NOT heard that OHSU plans to limit OOS to URM's. There have been a lot of complaints that they don't give enough preference to in-state applicants. The class demographic has been shifting back in favor of in-state applicants. I heard that last year's class was about 60/40 in-state/OOS. I think that most of that shift is because of the high OOS tuition (40k/yr) not changes in admission policies. For a state school, it's still a great place to apply to from OOS. It's definitely worth it.

You are basically correct concerning the break down of the admission score. Your MCAT and GPA are very important factors in getting an interview but are not that important in your overall admission score, which is based mostly on your interviewers ranking of you. So if you want to get into OHSU, you must interview well. As you say, interviews are open file except for MCAT and GPA. Good luck to all of you!

 

[notdeadyet]

Corrected for OHSU

Corrected again for OHSU...

Oregon Health & Science University
Non-Resident Apps 3003
Non-Resident Inter 117
Non-Res Matriculants 90 (out of 210 total)
Median MCAT 30 (11/11/11)
Median Sci GPA 3.8

U Miami-Miller
Non-Resident Apps 2405
Non-Resident Interv 100 (4.1%)
Non-Res Matriculants 30 (out of 182) 16%
Median MCAT 30 (10/10/10)
Median Sci GPA 3.75

 

[LauraPaz]

I applied to both OHSU and U of Miami last year with a 3.86 and a 35 MCAT. Got secondaries from both, but never heard anything more. Granted, I also never really pushed either school, as I had gotten accepted somewhere I preferred rather early on.

I think part of the issue with OHSU isn't just the in-state versus OOS. If you look into University of Washington's admissions requirements, they give preference not only to in-state, but also to what's known as residents of WWAMI (Washington, Wyoming, Alaska, Montana & Idaho) because UW is the only med school in those states. While researching schools to apply to last year, I found a few other schools out west, albeit not in California, that gave a slight preference to people from states lacking med schools over the general OOS applicant pool. I honestly don't remember if OHSU was one of them, but it might be worth looking into. If they are, then people coming from those states would still be considered out-of-state residents, thereby raising the perceived number of OOS matriculants, even though someone from, say, Pennsylvania might still have no shot without a truly spectacular app.

(Disclaimer: this is not to say no one from PA ever gets in. I chose a state at random 🙂)

 

[Carmenita79]

Corrected again for OHSU...

Oregon Health & Science University
Non-Resident Apps 3003
Non-Resident Inter 117
Non-Res Matriculants 90 (out of 210 total)
Median MCAT 30 (11/11/11)
Median Sci GPA 3.8

U Miami-Miller
Non-Resident Apps 2405
Non-Resident Interv 100 (4.1%)
Non-Res Matriculants 30 (out of 182) 16%
Median MCAT 30 (10/10/10)
Median Sci GPA 3.75

Is that corrected for OHSU? Those are the same # you had for Ohio State.

 

[notdeadyet]

Is that corrected for OHSU? Those are the same # you had for Ohio State.

The whole thread was discussing Oregon and Miami, so I presumed in the numbers Jackie posted that she meant Oregon and not Ohio. If those were actually Ohio numbers, it was a bit of a nonsequitar.

 

[Dr_Watson]

I applied to both OHSU and U of Miami last year with a 3.86 and a 35 MCAT. Got secondaries from both, but never heard anything more. Granted, I also never really pushed either school, as I had gotten accepted somewhere I preferred rather early on.

I think part of the issue with OHSU isn't just the in-state versus OOS. If you look into University of Washington's admissions requirements, they give preference not only to in-state, but also to what's known as residents of WWAMI (Washington, Wyoming, Alaska, Montana & Idaho) because UW is the only med school in those states. While researching schools to apply to last year, I found a few other schools out west, albeit not in California, that gave a slight preference to people from states lacking med schools over the general OOS applicant pool. I honestly don't remember if OHSU was one of them, but it might be worth looking into. If they are, then people coming from those states would still be considered out-of-state residents, thereby raising the perceived number of OOS matriculants, even though someone from, say, Pennsylvania might still have no shot without a truly spectacular app.

(Disclaimer: this is not to say no one from PA ever gets in. I chose a state at random 🙂)

That's a no, UW has that market cornered. OHSU has changed its policies a great deal lately(lots of lawsuits, lots of laws changing in Oregon). They do give much stronger preference to in state applicants, and I think the numbers are a bit higher than the 60/40 mentioned earlier, but couldn't say exactly. That's my take as an Oregonian, couldn't say **** about Florida.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Hmm, I hope OHSU isn't really cutting down on their OOS applicants... I am well above their average numbers, both in MSAR and on MDapplicants, I hope I still stand a chance. (being a white male sucks)

Where did you get that info?

Based on OHSU's admissions pattern for last year, I don't think they're seriously cutting back on OOS applicants. They admitted a ton of non-URM Californians, for example, while rejecting well-qualified in-state applicants. About 60% of the class is usually comprised of Oregonians, and that's largely because Oregonians are more likely to accept OHSU's offer and are more likely to hang out on the waitlist. So, yeah, apply.

 

[jackieMD2007]

From MSAR:

Med Univ of Ohio
Non-Resident Apps 1814
Non-Resident Inter 178 (9.5%)
Non-Res Matriculants 52 (out of 147 total) is 35% of the class.
Median MCAT 30 (10/10/10)
Median Sci GPA 3.61

U Miami-Miller
Non-Resident Apps 2405
Non-Resident Interv 100 (4.1%)
Non-Res Matriculants 30 (out of 182) 16%
Median MCAT 30 (10/10/10)
Median Sci GPA 3.75

Sorry Kids. I gave the information for Medical University of Ohio. See what happens with these stupid abbreviations.

Here is the MSAR info for
"Oregon Health and Science University School of Medicine"
Non Resident Apps 3181
Non Resident Interv 345 (10.8%)
Non-Res Matriculants 44 (out of 112) 39%
Median MCAT 32 (11/10/11)
Median Sci GPA 3.69

Sorry about that. Ohio, Oregon, what's the diff?

 

[jackieMD2007]

The whole thread was discussing Oregon and Miami, so I presumed in the numbers Jackie posted that she meant Oregon and not Ohio. If those were actually Ohio numbers, it was a bit of a nonsequitar.

I posted figures for the Medical University of Ohio, and then Doctor Pardi changed it to Ohio State (and changed the figures). It got confusing because he changed the quote without taking away the quote tags.

EDIT: But I just posted Oregon Numbers above.
Both schools look kind of tough for OOS'ers.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I posted figures for the Medical University of Ohio, and then Doctor Pardi changed it to Ohio State (and changed the figures). It got confusing because he changed the quote without taking away the quote tags.

EDIT: But I just posted Oregon Numbers above.
Both schools look kind of tough for OOS'ers.

Don't be discouraged by the number that matriculates, which is one reason why I prefer USnews data to MSAR -- USnews gives number accepted, which is way greater (and more useful to applicants) than the number matriculated for most schools. The catch is what I referenced above. OHSU accepts lots of oos students, but most of those oos students opt to attend school elsewhere (presumably some place cheaper or more prestigious). OHSU does give some preference to instate students in granting interviews, but once you reach the interview stage, there is absolutely no preference given based on state of residence. So, they'll interivew you if you're instate even if they don't like you much, and then they'll reject you. 🙂

If you're oos and interested in OHSU, by all means apply.

Did I mention that i sucks to be premed in Oregon? 😡

editing again to add the data from USNews for the 2005 class.

OHSU OOS stats
Applied: 3242
Interviewed: 353
Accepted: 138
Matriculated: 44

Another thing to consider is that the number applied is usually based on submission of primary applications, not secondary applications, so the number of completed applications would probably be lower than 3242. Presumably, lots of oos applications would not bother to follow through with the secondary application.

 

[DoctorPardi]

I posted figures for the Medical University of Ohio, and then Doctor Pardi changed it to Ohio State (and changed the figures). It got confusing because he changed the quote without taking away the quote tags.

EDIT: But I just posted Oregon Numbers above.
Both schools look kind of tough for OOS'ers.

I am ******ed! Somehow OHSU is OHio State University lol.

 

[Carmenita79]

Don't be discouraged by the number that matriculates, which is one reason why I prefer USnews data to MSAR -- USnews gives number accepted, which is way greater (and more useful to applicants) than the number matriculated for most schools. The catch is what I referenced above. OHSU accepts lots of oos students, but most of those oos students opt to attend school elsewhere (presumably some place cheaper or more prestigious). OHSU does give some preference to instate students in granting interviews, but once you reach the interview stage, there is absolutely no preference given based on state of residence. So, they'll interivew you if you're instate even if they don't like you much, and then they'll reject you. 🙂

If you're oos and interested in OHSU, by all means apply.

Did I mention that i sucks to be premed in Oregon? 😡

editing again to add the data from USNews for the 2005 class.

OHSU OOS stats
Applied: 3242
Interviewed: 353
Accepted: 138
Matriculated: 44

Another thing to consider is that the number applied is usually based on submission of primary applications, not secondary applications, so the number of completed applications would probably be lower than 3242. Presumably, lots of oos applications would not bother to follow through with the secondary application.

Is it true the secondary doesn't come out until early september.... I guess I could see why some people might lose interest by then.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Is it true the secondary doesn't come out until early september.... I guess I could see why some people might lose interest by then.

They're very, very slow. In fact, I think they're about the slowest (maybe laziest) admissions office in the country. So, yeah, you'll wait. I believe I got my secondary around October after submitting the primary in July. I then waited a little more than 12 weeks before hearing from them, when they offered me an interview. The letter with their secondary tells you not to contact them for 12 weeks because that's how long they take. Once interviewed, most applicants have to wait until May 15 before getting a decision. So you wait two to threee months to get a secondary app, then you wait three months to get an interview, and then you wait up to 6 months to get a decision.

Did I mention that I don't think positive things about OHSU's admissions office. 😀

Oh yeah, for those of you b&tching about being white, OHSU is a very non-diverse school. According to USNews, its class is 12% minority, but only 5% are urms. So, umm, white power. 🙄

 

[argonana]

Based on OHSU's admissions pattern for last year, I don't think they're seriously cutting back on OOS applicants. They admitted a ton of non-URM Californians, for example, while rejecting well-qualified in-state applicants. About 60% of the class is usually comprised of Oregonians, and that's largely because Oregonians are more likely to accept OHSU's offer and are more likely to hang out on the waitlist. So, yeah, apply.

I think they are indeed cutting back. I am a non-URM Californian, had a strong app, and was rejected in February. Here's what they stated in their rejection letter:

"As stated in the secondary application packet which you received, it is the admissions policy of the School of Medicine to give preference to the following applicants: residents of Oregon, WICHE-certified residents of Montana and Wyoming, MD/PhD and MD/MPH candidates, non-resident applicants with superior achievements in academics and other related experiences and non-resident applicants from diverse backgrounds."

I am not sure what they deem to be "superior" qualifications, but I would guess that having solid clinical and volunteering experience, as well as a demonstrated interest in primary care, would help.

By the way, that letter was really annoying. They basically seemed to be saying, "Why didn't you read the instructions on the secondary, you dolt."

 

[LauraPaz]

"As stated in the secondary application packet which you received, it is the admissions policy of the School of Medicine to give preference to the following applicants: residents of Oregon, WICHE-certified residents of Montana and Wyoming, MD/PhD and MD/MPH candidates, non-resident applicants with superior achievements in academics and other related experiences and non-resident applicants from diverse backgrounds."

I am not sure what they deem to be "superior" qualifications, but I would guess that having solid clinical and volunteering experience, as well as a demonstrated interest in primary care, would help.

By the way, that letter was really annoying. They basically seemed to be saying, "Why didn't you read the instructions on the secondary, you dolt."

Ok, WICHE was what I was thinking. WWAMI was only UW. And yeah, I got that letter too, and also found it annoying. 🙄

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Ok, WICHE was what I was thinking. WWAMI was only UW. And yeah, I got that letter too, and also found it annoying. 🙄

Annoying correspondence from the most tactless admissions office in the country. Wow, imagine that. 🙄 D@mn, I need to stop with this. I think moving has made me cranky. 🙂

The thing with OHSU is that they're subjective, and they look for the "cool" factor in admissions. To get an interview from oos, it appears like you have to have decent numbers (around their average at least) and have something else like interesting work experience. With this year's class, they seem to especially like people with music/entertainment industry backgrounds. So by "superior" credentials, I think they just mean something that catches their eye, not necessarily super high numbers.

 

[Hkoser]

I have friends who got 37s or 38s on the MCAT and didn't even get an interview at OHSU- the rest of their app was outstanding as well.