Does Your School Have Class Notes?

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For some godforesaken reason my school has decided NOT to provide class notes, instead presenting us with power point slides (with about 3 or 4 bullet points). Then, we have to take the slides and fill in the blanks with our textbooks or the internet or some other source. This means that we're sitting around answering 20 biochemistry objectives per lecture, before we even START studying for the quizzes. The administration told us that they don't want to "spoon feed us", whatever that means. The ironic thing is that our other campus DOES have class notes. Go figure.

Please let me know how your school does it and list what school it is. I'm going and try to present this to the administration and it would be helpful to know how other schools do it.

Thanks a lot guys! Med school blows. 😡
 
geez..that sucks..we have notes, and most of the time, about 95% of the time, they are complete..
we do know some lecturers who do leave blanks here and there, but then, when we look at seniors notes, they used to be complete, perhaps the lecturer wants us to pay attention to his lectures so he left blanks 😎
 
We don't have class notes here at Wake. Every lecturer prepares a powerpoint with objectives and we take our own notes during class. Some lectures will have prepared notes for their lecture, but thats not required. Everything that we are required to know is presented in the power point, so there are usually aren't any blanks. If I need further clarification on a concept I will consult a textbook or the internet. This worked fine for me during 1st year.
 
At Stony Brook we aren't provided with notes. Sometimes we get the ppt, and sometimes we don't. What we do have though is a student run note service. Basically a couple of students run the note service (a president for note service, a vice president, tape handlers, etc...) and all of the students pay a fee (I don't remember how much- $100?) for costs relating to the tapes, the recorders, etc... Each student in the class has to transcribe a lecture when it is their turn (everybody gets a turn quite a few times during the year). Some people also offer their transcribing services for a fee so that students don't have to transcribe a lecture if they don't want to. I paid someone to do that for me, so I've only transcribed one lecture in two years.

Maybe your class can organize a note service. You'd probably need permission from your deans and the professors. They may be hesitant at first, but your class may be able to convince them to allow you guys to do this. Many schools have note services since there really is no way to absorb what you are told by sitting simply in class (ok, I know this works for some but I'm not one of them).
 
We got notes from the professors for nearly all of our lectures, but the quality varied a lot. Most of them were printouts of the powerpoint presentations. Better than nothing. I nearly always had to take notes during class on the handouts, but it at least provided a framework of what the professor wanted us to know.

The idea that providing notes is spoonfeeding is ridiculous. 🙄
 
anytime i get handed a pack of notes that is comprised of a bunch of powerpoint slides, i pretty much throw them out or use them for toilet paper if i'm running low. usually the ppt slides are lifted straight out of some text book I'm going to be reading in my own anyways and the lecturer was obviously too lazy to put together a real lecture 👎
 
Here at LSU-New Orleans, we have a student run note taking service; it's very efficient with checks and balances making sure the note takers don't slack off. It costs about 300 bucks a semester to subscribe.
 
DW said:
anytime i get handed a pack of notes that is comprised of a bunch of powerpoint slides, i pretty much throw them out or use them for toilet paper if i'm running low. usually the ppt slides are lifted straight out of some text book I'm going to be reading in my own anyways and the lecturer was obviously too lazy to put together a real lecture 👎



Hmm. Ours were actually usually pretty decent. Some classes, though, had useless notes.
 
Some of our lecturers add their class notes to our PowerPoint presentation and stress that we listen as opposed to taking notes while in class. Some ppl do it anyhow, just depends how you learn. In addition to receiving the PowerPoint presentation in advance, we can download the AUDIO lecture a few minutes after the class. It's really great! You can't possible miss a thing even if you're out sick.
 
At Wayne we get all of our class notes. Books are mainly for reference and more pictoral examples. They even printed off a whole booklet of histo slides. We also have something called blackboard with all sorts of extra notes, pictures, self-assessment quizzes, charts, graphs, lists, etc. It is a heck of a lot of paper! It takes some getting used to, not taking all my own notes, but annotating is a whole lot easier when you are looking at pictures, graphs on two screens and listening to a lecturer.

We also have AV in all the major halls and can get streaming web video of all the lectures given in the main 3 halls, you can also get them on traditional VHS for those without high speed connections.
 
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Didn't have notes the first two years in any way, shape, or form... the powerpoint slides were sometimes on the internet to download/print, but I never did that. Syllabi and appropriate board review books were sufficient to get through every class without attending. It's not as big a deal as you think, the key info is out there somewhere... you might not get 100, but you will still be in the running for 90s on most exams.
 
Jefferson has a good student run note service and most professors put lecture notes and slides online. I didnt even know they had a note service until my first week and I am definitely glad they do. Most powerpoint presentations are took brief and dont give enough detail to really understand the material, the student notes are just what I needed.
 
At MCW we have note packets which we buy at the beginning of school year. Some are very complete and you can add more stuff during lecture...others are more bare, and you have to take good notes. We also have a student run notes service, where the day's lecture is essentially transcribed. All in all, between the class notes/lecture/coops, you are set! so, to answer your question, notes are provided for us. Rarely, we have a guest lecturer or two who didn't provide hand-outs and pissed off everyone instantaneously! To prevent an uprising, the sponsoring department placed the missing notes in student mailboxes by 5:00 pm that day! :meanie:

Hope your school sees the light..

good luck 👍
 
I think a student run note service would be delighful, except A) one or two professors (like the important professors) refuse to have their lectures taped and B) the administration basically frowns upon the whole note taking service. They really just want us to have required attendance, without actually stating that as such. We have absolutely ZERO direction for Embryo ("learn the concepts") and biochem is a total nightmare. We don't even understand what the prof is talking about half the time (due to accent). I'll probably be best served to get the review books and just go from there. It just pisses me off to be paying $32,000 a year to flounder.

Thanks for your replies!
 
Elysium,

Are there enough of you that feel like this? 30 or 40 pissed off med students in a Dean's office could probably tip the tide in your favor.
 
At my school some girl in my class types up notes for every lecture and post it up on the class bulliten board. And some guy records lecute on mp3 and also post them.

$hit if I was paying 30K for school I would just record lecture digitally regardless of what they frown apon. I figured I paid for it I could listen to it later or make a transcript of it if I want.

If you recorded lecture and sent it to a medical transcription service and say split the cost between 150-200 students it would cost each student around 100-200 bucks a semester depending on the service and number of students who cheaped in.
 
Long Dong said:
At my school some girl in my class types up notes for every lecture and post it up on the class bulliten board. And some guy records lecute on mp3 and also post them.

Pretty gal?
 
We started classes here at Penn this Monday and we got a binder of notes for each class that we're taking for this month. They're thorough, and they cover each topic that our lecturers talk about. Then on the day of the lecture, we get a powerpoint print out too. I think it helps and I don't think it's spoon feeding at all. It's like reading a textbook, but one that your lecturer has written so it is easier to ask them questions about it afterwards. Also, I don't waste my time writing down things that may or may not be important.
 
Just to update you guys, we had a class meeting with the dean today to talk about our concerns. I'll keep you posted.
 
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Good luck,

On a side note, I talked to a friend at the University of Oklahoma med, and she says they get class notes included as part of the syllabus (about 50 bucks) for each class
 
So I'm starting med school in about a week and I just started to look at the format of the lecture notes for anatomy and I am severely disappointed. I searched SDN and found this thread. Most of the Powerpoint lectures for anatomy are very bare boned, with just pictures and a couple of bullet points, like this:

Antebrachial Flexors:
Superficial layer
Palmaris longus m.
Flexor carpi ulnaris m.
Flexor carpi radialis m.
Pronator teres m.

WTF? It doesn't list what the muscles do or what happens if they are injured, the origin, insertion, innervation.

In the 1 hour lecture on this topic the professor does not go over all muscles and their relevant details as listed above because I've downloaded some old lecture MP3s and it doesn't cover the material in that amount of detail. Why not just list it for us if you can't go over it in lecture? Does this mean I have to go look this up for every single muscle? Does that mean I don't have to know it? I mean, if they don't cover it in lecture and it's not on the lecture slide, how the hell am I supposed to know what is expected of me? Do I just learn everything? That's madness.

I'm thinking if I do have to know it, I'm just going to skip lecture and go through the Powerpoint lecture finding every muscle, nerve, etc ... and then find all the details associated with that body part in Moore's Anatomy. Is that overkill?
 
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At MCG, we have more notes than you can shake a stick at.
 
We've got a whole bunch of notes...pretty comprehensive. But if you look at the fine print of our registration fees, there's $300 for "notetaking service" 🙁
 
We were given very comprehensive syllabi at the start of every semester. In addition, most professors had handouts with updated material and even better a list of resources if we wanted more information. The ppts were useless for us because our syllabi and handouts contained what we actually needed to know. In addition, we had a note service (student run) where the folks who took notes were excellent organizers of the material. It worked great for us.

As a professor, I can tell you that ppt slides are a basic outline at best. Most of my slides contain a photo of some pathology with no writing. When ppt slides are crammed with material, the audience has a tendency to try to read the slide rather than listen to the "meat" that you need to know. Since my students know that they have far more material than they need, they tend to sit back, relax and listen to the lecture or participate in discussion.

My lectures are taped complete with slides. The handouts are available online for my students complete with references which is the standard for most schools. Students are free to supplement with text reading but most folks don't find this necessary.

Learning in medical school is an active process. Rather than focusing on trying to get every note and word of every lecture, it is better to prepare by looking at the lecture objectives before the lecture, skimming the text/syllabus as needed before the lecture and sitting back so that you can listen actively. You may need to take a random note here and there but you don't need to try to get every word.

As for spoon feeding, if you go for complete mastery of the material rather than memorization of a ppt slide handout, you are likely going to do much better than those folks who are rote memorizers. In the end, if you know the material, you can answer any question in any manner rather than regurgitate what is on a slide (definitely not enough detail).

As a medical student, I let the detail of the lecturer determine the detail of how I approached the material. Some things needed more detail and some things needed less. I was also one of the note service folks who helped to organize the material (made me very efficient in learning). In the end, my system worked well.

You don't need every word that a professor utters in class but you need a thorough understanding of the subject matter. How you approach this is largely a function of your learning style. Some folks are visual learners and some folks are aural learners and many of us are a combination of both learning styles. I try to present my lecture material so that both types of learning styles can be accommodated. After all, to educate means "to lead out" not "to stuff to regurgitation".

There is far more material to be mastered than can be presented in a lectures (even if you sat there from sunrise to sunset). What you (as a student) have to get over, is the belief that it's the professor's job to pare down the material to "all you need to know is this". This approach "cheats you" and sets you up for not doing well on Step I. Most of the "real learning" takes place when you go home or to the library and start grinding through the volumes of information yourself to meet your learning needs and style.
 
We get class notes, but they are in different formats so the quality varies depending on the professor. All the lectures are recorded, as well as the powerpoints. Our professors prefer that we don't take notes during class. I usually just show up without any note taking materials because everything we need to know is in the notes.

I don't see how you could possibly take notes during class if the pace of your lectures is anything like ours. By the time you start writing something your already behind for the next point, it would be totally useless unless you knew some sort of shorthand.
 
We don't have class notes here at Wake. Every lecturer prepares a powerpoint with objectives and we take our own notes during class. Some lectures will have prepared notes for their lecture, but thats not required. Everything that we are required to know is presented in the power point, so there are usually aren't any blanks. If I need further clarification on a concept I will consult a textbook or the internet. This worked fine for me during 1st year.

This is pretty much the case at my school. There are always supplemental texts that are helpful if you can't make sense of things from the slides, but generally all that you need to know is in the powerpoint.

I like it that way. I find word documents/syllabi useless for the way that I study.
 
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