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cpants said:
Similar to the OP, you disregarded admission policy and common sense, and then got angry at the system when it didn't work out for you.
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I disregarded common sense? Do you mean to tell me that when something unexpectedly went wrong on the MCAT and I ended up with a bad score, I should have just sat there and not tried to do anything about it? I would think that common sense would tell me to do whatever I could to help myself.

To hear you talk, I seem to have committed some kind of crime by retaking the MCAT in Jan. Perhaps I should have been sent to jail for this crime.

Even if they were willing to reconsider your application with the new stats, most schools have their classes nearly filled by February.
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As for the schools which wouldn't reconsider me for interviews, they were NYMC (interviews through May) and Albany (interviews through April). Their classes were SO filled by February.
 
Food said:
I appreciate it. But I'm not sure I want to do it anymore. I had false hopes about a lot of things, about how applications are, and even how medical school will be. I've realized I was wrong about it. I don't care for it anymore. So good bye to medicine for me.
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I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but honestly, you don't have to know what you want to do with your life when you're 20. I would recommend taking some time off, go somewhere interesting and see what the world has to offer besides med school. Maybe take a break from all this working to get somewhere and just hang out. Then, if you decide that med school is for you, you can approach it with a little more humor and appreciation. If you're this burnt out applying, imagine how awful it would have been to burn yourself out even more with 4 more years of school and then residency. You definitely sound like someone who needs a year off in the Australian rather than American sense. (They take a break and just hang out. We take a "break" and work.)

And honestly, nobody knows what's going on in life, everybody's scared, but most people won't admit it. Things are seldom what you expect them to be. Don't be so hard on yourself.

Good luck to you in whatever you take on next :luck:
 
The only things I have learned from this thread are

--people who prefer to blame 'the system' when things don't work out for them get very angry when others suggest they take more responsibility
--sdn is not a good place to find sympathy
--late in the application cycle===> cranky SDNers
 
batteries said:
The only things I have learned from this thread are

--people who prefer to blame 'the system' when things don't work out for them get very angry when others suggest they take more responsibility
--sdn is not a good place to find sympathy
--late in the application cycle===> cranky SDNers
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Yes, because they have to make themselves out to be victims.

batteries said:
thread KILLAH
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batteries said:
ok im going to get back to studying now. For serious
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Wow, some of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Fortunately it was a minority. I won't name names. *cough* cpants *cough* andrew *cough* whoever the **** else is a *****.

Of course I will reapply. I wouldn't have bent over for a month and allowed 30 practice MCAT tests to sodomize me if I didn't want to be a doctor. Yes, I said it because I was angry. Surely enough of you have taken Psych. classes to be able to know that.

Now, for those idiots who think the system is not broken:

Numbers aren't everything. Totally true.

But if you don't have numbers, you won't get in easily.

These two statements are both true and somewhat contradictory. THIS is what screws up the process so much. THIS is why there is no magical formula.

And for my part, I have no problem with it.

What's broken is the fact that

#1 - you need **** tons of money to even apply
#2 - the process is so competitive, that competitiveness permeates every aspect of medicine. So that throughout college and beyond, any other source of motivation takes a back seat. I have seen hundreds of people cheat on exams in classes like organic, gen chem, cell biology. All of them pre-meds. And they are probably sitting around with acceptances. It's a ****ed up system. I refuse to cheat on principle. Call me stupid, but I'd sooner fail a class than cheat on an exam.

Yes, I'm talking about a big problem here, one that won't change within the next few decades, even. But nobody seems to even acknowledge the problem, and that's what's messed up. This isn't just about medical school, it's about higher education in general.

Also, for those of you spewing criticism and "advice" out of your unsightly orifices, take a step back and ask if you would be able to take similar criticism. And before you type "yes", I hope you will take the time to feel the slightest shame.

I'm in the wrong here, I admit it. I'm willing to admit weakness and fault, but it really ****ing pisses me off when I read posts from people who are doing nothing but giving themselves more credit they deserve for typing out repetitive snippets of admissions advice in such a condescending manner that it reminds me of last year's election.

Thankfully, there are enough people here to give good perspective and comfort. Thanks.

I am willing to admit I felt entitled to more than 1 interview. But you can't ****ing tell me that you wouldn't either if you were in my shoes.
 
NotAndrew said:
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I disagree, the OP is an ass, he deserves people telling him that.



a) how is the system broken? You didn't get into a school, this does not mean the system is broken.

b) so you applied late and it's the school fault you didn't get in?

c) Why should I reconsider applying to USF? Because you didn't get in? Stop thinking you are God's gift to medical school.

d) I don't think you can accept responsibility, you started and entire thread about how the schools ****ed you over.
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A - I thought the system was broken before I applied, I will still think it broken when I am accepted.

B - Apparently you can't read.

C - Stop thinking that you are actually smart. You aren't.

D - I don't think you realize exactly how *****ic you are.
 
saintelsewhere said:
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but honestly, you don't have to know what you want to do with your life when you're 20. I would recommend taking some time off, go somewhere interesting and see what the world has to offer besides med school. Maybe take a break from all this working to get somewhere and just hang out. Then, if you decide that med school is for you, you can approach it with a little more humor and appreciation. If you're this burnt out applying, imagine how awful it would have been to burn yourself out even more with 4 more years of school and then residency. You definitely sound like someone who needs a year off in the Australian rather than American sense. (They take a break and just hang out. We take a "break" and work.)

And honestly, nobody knows what's going on in life, everybody's scared, but most people won't admit it. Things are seldom what you expect them to be. Don't be so hard on yourself.

Good luck to you in whatever you take on next :luck:
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I completely agree, and thanks
 
Improve your GPA some more. One more full year of science courses should do it, if you keep working on your ECs in the meantime.
 
ButImLETired said:
OP: If you are planning on reapplying and want a tough essay editor, go ahead and send me your essays. I've edited a lot of people's stuff and I think I have a pretty good eye for possible issues with essays.
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Thanks, I will PM them to you.
 
I am willing to admit I felt entitled to more than 1 interview. But you can't ****ing tell me that you wouldn't either if you were in my shoes.
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Indeed I can't. I'd feel at least a little cheated, especially since you're in FL, land of forgiving state schools. Hang in there, dude. You'll get in next cycle. Like I was saying, though, you should probably send your essays to a few people to see if you have a malignant LOR bringing you down.
 
Food said:
What's broken is the fact that

#1 - you need **** tons of money to even apply
#2 - the process is so competitive, that competitiveness permeates every aspect of medicine. So that throughout college and beyond, any other source of motivation takes a back seat. I have seen hundreds of people cheat on exams in classes like organic, gen chem, cell biology. All of them pre-meds. And they are probably sitting around with acceptances. It's a ****ed up system. I refuse to cheat on principle. Call me stupid, but I'd sooner fail a class than cheat on an exam.
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1) You're right, the process should be free. This way thousands more can apply and waste even more of the ADCOMS time while increasing the COA for admitted students.

2) Again, you are right on. I, for example, don't think the process to become a doctor should be competitive at all. After all it's not like they do anything important, they are only in charge of your health care. And really who the **** cares about that?
 
Food said:
A - I thought the system was broken before I applied, I will still think it broken when I am accepted.

B - Apparently you can't read.

C - Stop thinking that you are actually smart. You aren't.

D - I don't think you realize exactly how *****ic you are.
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You're right, personal insults win you every argument.
 
NotAndrew said:
1) You're right, the process should be free. This way thousands more can apply and waste even more of the ADCOMS time while increasing the COA for admitted students.

2) Again, you are right on. I, for example, don't think the process to become a doctor should be competitive at all. After all it's not like they do anything important, they are only in charge of your health care. And really who the **** cares about that?
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You continue to surprise me with exactly how unperceptive and silly you can become. Congrats.

1) Thousands of people who don't have money and are more qualified than thousands others who don't even deserve to apply, CAN'T apply. - I've heard this on 3 separate occasions from THREE DIFFERENT DEANS OF COLLEGE OF MEDICINE.

2) Again, you are amazing. I, for example, don't think that excessive, insane, overbearing competition has any negative effects at all. After all, unregulated, unrestricted capitalism relies on competition. I mean, all those banks were just competing to give toxic credit. Also, cheating and grade inflation are totally okay as long as there is competition. It doesn't make a difference whether competition rewards the legitimate student or the one who just found out how to do sketchy things to beat the system.

****ing idiot.
 
Myuu said:
As does sarcasm, obviously.

Can we not just let this hatefest die?
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*****s like him make this a whole lot easier on me. It gives me perspective and makes me devoutly thankful that I was not born with a stick in my rectum.
 
Food said:
You continue to surprise me with exactly how unperceptive and silly you can become. Congrats.

1) Thousands of people who don't have money and are more qualified than thousands others who don't even deserve to apply, CAN'T apply. - I've heard this on 3 separate occasions from THREE DIFFERENT DEANS OF COLLEGE OF MEDICINE.

2) Again, you are amazing. I, for example, don't think that excessive, insane, overbearing competition has any negative effects at all. After all, unregulated, unrestricted capitalism relies on competition. I mean, all those banks were just competing to give toxic credit. Also, cheating and grade inflation are totally okay as long as there is competition. It doesn't make a difference whether competition rewards the legitimate student or the one who just found out how to do sketchy things to beat the system.

****ing idiot.
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1) Right, there are thousands of janitors who could have been neurosurgeons if they had only had 3k to apply to med school.

2) Again, you are right. We need to regulate the competitiveness of each applicant so as not to enter an applicant recession(God forbid a depression). It's simple economics, silly me.
 
student1799 said:
I disregarded common sense? Do you mean to tell me that when something unexpectedly went wrong on the MCAT and I ended up with a bad score, I should have just sat there and not tried to do anything about it? I would think that common sense would tell me to do whatever I could to help myself.

To hear you talk, I seem to have committed some kind of crime by retaking the MCAT in Jan. Perhaps I should have been sent to jail for this crime.
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Yes, you disregarded common sense. Common sense would be to wait until you have decent MCAT scores in hand prior to applying. It's not a crime to retake, and in fact, it was the smart thing for you to do. Where you went wrong is a)feeling entitled to special consideration of late MCAT scores and b)being angry that your late scores did not influence admissions decisions. Stating that a and b were evidence of a broken, unfair system also didn't make much sense. Taking the MCAT again in January, you should have realized any new score would only count for the next cycle.

As for the schools which wouldn't reconsider me for interviews, they were NYMC (interviews through May) and Albany (interviews through April). Their classes were SO filled by February.
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While interviews periods officially last through April and May at most schools, the reality is that most of the classes are full by January or February. They keep some leeway to have the option to interview a few more candidates or in case more students than expected decline offers. Why do you think early application is recommended so strongly? The earlier you apply, the more slots are open for admission, and the better your chances of an offer.
 
In regards to the financial aspect of applications, there is financial aid available for MCAT fees, the AMCAS, and the secondaries if you demonstrate need. I agree that it is more difficult if you are completely broke (as are most things), but there is definitely assistance out there.

http://www.aamc.org/students/applying/fap/start.htm
 
NotAndrew said:
1) Right, there are thousands of janitors who could have been neurosurgeons if they had only had 3k to apply to med school.

2) Again, you are right. We need to regulate the competitiveness of each applicant so as not to enter an applicant recession(God forbid a depression). It's simple economics, silly me.
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After reading that, I think you have descended to such an impressive level of idiocy, I don't think I can argue with you.
 
Food said:
After reading that, I think you have descended to such an impressive level of idiocy, I don't think I can argue with you.
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Right, maybe if you continue to declare your intelligence superior to mine you points will become more true.
 
I don't know if the system is "broken" per se, but it is certainly weird (there is no accounting for taste) and it is certainly expensive.

I consider myself one of the beneficiaries of the weirdness, incidentally. And I was fortunate to have the $$ to apply.
 
Hey Food, check into when UF will start admitting from the WL if you can. And also, if you can, try to find out where you are on the WL.
 
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