Don't be an annoying medical student, please.

[urge]

Seriously.

I get it you want to watch and learn. That's fine. If you are shadowing the surgeons, stick to the surgeons. I don't want to see your rear on my face while I'm sitting on my stool. They didn't let you scrub in? Take a hint. Perhaps you shouldn't be there. Maybe the case is too complex, maybe they are ignoring you. Not my problem. You want to learn anesthesia? Do an anesthesia rotation. We will set you up in cases where you can learn and actually do something.

I don't mind an occasional question or two, but you might want to introduce yourself first before asking me stuff. Don't expect me to be wikipedia in the OR because you did not bother to read anything before coming in. If you don't know anything about anything better stay shut.

If you see a really sick patient who might not survive long, it is not a good time to be asking anything. If you are told to step away do so, before I tell you to step the f away. I dont want to be colliding with your ass while I'm busy. If you take a peak into the field and don't see anything, step away, there its nothing to see.

Echo is not a novelty toy. Don't ask me to show you anatomy you do not recognize. What Is the point of asking to see the aortic valve if you are going to ask me "is that the aortic valve" after I have already shown it to you.

Lastly, don't bring any stepping stool and creep into the anesthesia field without my permission.

You are not impressing anyone by being in the way for 8 hrs in a row. We are so glad when you leave.

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[cincincyreds]

Seriously.

I get it you want to watch and learn. That's fine. If you are shadowing the surgeons, stick to the surgeons. I don't want to see your rear on my face while I'm sitting on my stool. They didn't let you scrub in? Take a hint. Perhaps you shouldn't be there. Maybe the case is too complex, maybe they are ignoring you. Not my problem. You want to learn anesthesia? Do an anesthesia rotation. We will set you up in cases where you can learn and actually do something.

I don't mind an occasional question or two, but you might want to introduce yourself first before asking me stuff. Don't expect me to be wikipedia in the OR because you did not bother to read anything before coming in. If you don't know anything about anything better stay shut.

If you see a really sick patient who might not survive long, it is not a good time to be asking anything. If you are told to step away do so, before I tell you to step the f away. I dont want to be colliding with your ass while I'm busy. If you take a peak into the field and don't see anything, step away, there its nothing to see.

Echo is not a novelty toy. Don't ask me to show you anatomy you do not recognize. What Is the point of asking to see the aortic valve if you are going to ask me "is that the aortic valve" after I have already shown it to you.

Lastly, don't bring any stepping stool and creep into the anesthesia field without my permission.

You are not impressing anyone by being in the way for 8 hrs in a row. We are so glad when you leave.

I don't mind when the medical student is a hot single female. Otherwise, I mind.

 

[proman]

Seriously.

I get it you want to watch and learn. That's fine. If you are shadowing the surgeons, stick to the surgeons. I don't want to see your rear on my face while I'm sitting on my stool. They didn't let you scrub in? Take a hint. Perhaps you shouldn't be there. Maybe the case is too complex, maybe they are ignoring you. Not my problem. You want to learn anesthesia? Do an anesthesia rotation. We will set you up in cases where you can learn and actually do something.

I don't mind an occasional question or two, but you might want to introduce yourself first before asking me stuff. Don't expect me to be wikipedia in the OR because you did not bother to read anything before coming in. If you don't know anything about anything better stay shut.

If you see a really sick patient who might not survive long, it is not a good time to be asking anything. If you are told to step away do so, before I tell you to step the f away. I dont want to be colliding with your ass while I'm busy. If you take a peak into the field and don't see anything, step away, there its nothing to see.

Echo is not a novelty toy. Don't ask me to show you anatomy you do not recognize. What Is the point of asking to see the aortic valve if you are going to ask me "is that the aortic valve" after I have already shown it to you.

Lastly, don't bring any stepping stool and creep into the anesthesia field without my permission.

You are not impressing anyone by being in the way for 8 hrs in a row. We are so glad when you leave.

This describes last night's lung transplant precisely.

 

[amidoinitrite]

I don't mind when the medical student is a hot single female. Otherwise, I mind.

 

[deleted128562]

Look, I'm about as excited to stand there watching you do crossword puzzles as you are to have my butt in your face. I know I was in the way of you stepping out for your bi-hourly breaks, but please try to remember that I probably wasn't given much choice about being there.

Rest assured that I will buy you dinner and extol your name on high if, next time, you will tell Dr. Jackwagon to either let the student scrub in or go home and read. I may even shield you from the scalpel he'll throw at you.

Please remember that the medical student is probably hating their life as much as you hate them. The End.

 

[Nooblet]

Look, I'm about as excited to stand there watching you do crossword puzzles as you are to have my butt in your face. I know I was in the way of you stepping out for your bi-hourly breaks, but please try to remember that I probably wasn't given much choice about being there.

Rest assured that I will buy you dinner and extol your name on high if, next time, you will tell Dr. Jackwagon to either let the student scrub in or go home and read. I may even shield you from the scalpel he'll throw at you.

Please remember that the medical student is probably hating their life as much as you hate them. The End.

laughed out loud, thanks

 

[lane]

Look, I'm about as excited to stand there watching you do crossword puzzles as you are to have my butt in your face. I know I was in the way of you stepping out for your bi-hourly breaks, but please try to remember that I probably wasn't given much choice about being there.

Rest assured that I will buy you dinner and extol your name on high if, next time, you will tell Dr. Jackwagon to either let the student scrub in or go home and read. I may even shield you from the scalpel he'll throw at you.

Please remember that the medical student is probably hating their life as much as you hate them. The End.

The only difference is that you're paying to be stuck there. lol.

 

[Noyac]

Look, I'm about as excited to stand there watching you do crossword puzzles as you are to have my butt in your face. I know I was in the way of you stepping out for your bi-hourly breaks, but please try to remember that I probably wasn't given much choice about being there.

Rest assured that I will buy you dinner and extol your name on high if, next time, you will tell Dr. Jackwagon to either let the student scrub in or go home and read. I may even shield you from the scalpel he'll throw at you.

Please remember that the medical student is probably hating their life as much as you hate them. The End.

Thats some funny ass **** for real. Coodows(?) to you.
But then again, it might be a student just like yourself that got under urge's panties and rubbed him the wrong way.
But now that I think of it, you're welcome in my area. That way when your esteemed surgeon f*cks up his carotid repair and is too egotistical to admit his mistake so he decides to throw his scaple my way, you will be there to block it.

What a f*ckchop!

 

[Mman]

Coodows(?) to you.

Kudos

(your version made me chuckle)

 

[Dawkter]

Seriously.

I get it you want to watch and learn. That's fine. If you are shadowing the surgeons, stick to the surgeons. I don't want to see your rear on my face while I'm sitting on my stool. They didn't let you scrub in? Take a hint. Perhaps you shouldn't be there. Maybe the case is too complex, maybe they are ignoring you. Not my problem. You want to learn anesthesia? Do an anesthesia rotation. We will set you up in cases where you can learn and actually do something.

I don't mind an occasional question or two, but you might want to introduce yourself first before asking me stuff. Don't expect me to be wikipedia in the OR because you did not bother to read anything before coming in. If you don't know anything about anything better stay shut.

If you see a really sick patient who might not survive long, it is not a good time to be asking anything. If you are told to step away do so, before I tell you to step the f away. I dont want to be colliding with your ass while I'm busy. If you take a peak into the field and don't see anything, step away, there its nothing to see.

Echo is not a novelty toy. Don't ask me to show you anatomy you do not recognize. What Is the point of asking to see the aortic valve if you are going to ask me "is that the aortic valve" after I have already shown it to you.

Lastly, don't bring any stepping stool and creep into the anesthesia field without my permission.

You are not impressing anyone by being in the way for 8 hrs in a row. We are so glad when you leave.

Why are you in academics? I'm sure there's a great teacher/mentor of anesthesia out there who would thrive in your position. Move to private practice, don't teach.

 

[Idiopathic]

"how dare you want to actually experience something, after 6 years of being in classes...begone!!!"

 

[Mman]

Why are you in academics? I'm sure there's a great teacher/mentor of anesthesia out there who would thrive in your position. Move to private practice, don't teach.

Not all anesthesiologists in hospitals with med students and residents and academic surgeons are in academia. There are some private anesthesia departments in that environment. So while I don't know his details, it's quite possible he is in private practice and not teaching anybody anything and you were simply in his space.

 

[Noyac]

Kudos

(your version made me chuckle)

Yeah, had one of those brain farts. Funny how sp check couldn't even figure out what I was trying to say.

 

[tiotropium]

This post is pretty appalling. During my surgery rotation, at a community hospital the anesthesiologists there insisted that I learn with them before the case started; many of them even had me bagging and subsequently try to intubate. And surgeons not allowing students to scrub in? WTF kind of experience is that? I've never had that happen ever.

 

[Noyac]

BTW med studs, dont take offense too much to what urge writes. Take it with a grain of salt but do keep it in mind when you are in the OR and not actually on an anesthesia rotation, even if it is in the back of your mind.

 

[flash14]

Im doing a surgery rotation right now. On some of the really interesting/difficult cases there is sometimes 2 attendings, a resident, and the scrub nurse already scrubbed in so for those cases a lot of time I don't get to scrub in. What should I just watch another gallbladder instead? or actually watch the interesting case that I haven't seen before? Sure I could scrub into my 5th gallbladder in the last two days. Thank god the anesthesiologists have been nice and TOLD me to stand there so I could see. I understand if it gets hectic just ask me to leave (which they have). I understand that patient care means more then me watching but seriously you have had people help you get to where you are why not give back even just a little even if its really not in your job description.

 

[saratoga733]

annoying med student? yep that was me back in the day. anyways, glad some guy decided to take a little interest in me and taught me a few of things about intra-op monitoring. well, the rest as they say is history...

 

[dutchmaster]

Med students who are not on anesthesia should never be in our anesthesia area in a cardiac case, obstructing our view of the field....never.

 

[cincincyreds]

For real though. If I see a med student in the room, I have them come by. I have them try to intubate or place the LMA. Then I have them put in another IV when the patient is asleep. Since they are paying big bucks to be there I feel bad when they are ignored. If I'm feeling adventurous, I'll let them put in the a line and if enough time I'll let them do the central line with a lot of hand holding. I do a lot of vascular and neuro cases, so I have a lot of lines to place.

 

[illegallysmooth]

For real though. If I see a med student in the room, I have them come by. I have them try to intubate or place the LMA. Then I have them put in another IV when the patient is asleep. Since they are paying big bucks to be there I feel bad when they are ignored. If I'm feeling adventurous, I'll let them put in the a line and if enough time I'll let them do the central line with a lot of hand holding. I do a lot of vascular and neuro cases, so I have a lot of lines to place.

 

[ATrim7]

For real though. If I see a med student in the room, I have them come by. I have them try to intubate or place the LMA. Then I have them put in another IV when the patient is asleep. Since they are paying big bucks to be there I feel bad when they are ignored. If I'm feeling adventurous, I'll let them put in the a line and if enough time I'll let them do the central line with a lot of hand holding. I do a lot of vascular and neuro cases, so I have a lot of lines to place.

Seriously?! I think I pay somewhere in the ballpark of $300 a day to be a medical student. I'd pay extra if this were the case. I sure do hope I come across someone like you during my anesthesia aways in the coming months. Thanks for teaching....

 

[chessknt]

Vast majority of anesthesiologists, including residents, do not share OP's view in my experience. Anesthesia is one of the least exposed fields in 3rd year, having open people willing to let us catch a glimpse during crowded surgeries on a surgery rotation may be the only way some people find out anesthesia is for them.

 

[rsgillmd]

annoying med student? yep that was me back in the day. anyways, glad some guy decided to take a little interest in me and taught me a few of things about intra-op monitoring. well, the rest as they say is history...

I wasn't an annoying student, but it really was a kind hearted anesthesiologist that got me really interested in anesthesiology. He took pity on me standing at the back of the room on a AAA. He said I would get a better view from the head and started teaching me about monitoring and his plan. When the urgent AAA went south it was him, his resident, and the guy running the cell saver that kept the patient alive while the surgeons fixed the bleeding. At the end of that case I went from being mildly interested in anesthesiology to being very interested.

 

[gasattack3]

Med students who are not on anesthesia should never be in our anesthesia area in a cardiac case, obstructing our view of the field....never.

Urges post made be laugh. Just his "style" I guess.....

I'm generally very nice to med students etc. It was just a few years ago, so I get it.

However, about a week ago, on cardiac, one of our surgeons had this premed come in to watch the operation. Granted, you could see the field better on the monitors, but this dude was seriously cramping our space. My attending is a really nice guy (maybe too nice), and didn't seem to mind, but this kid was clueless and had no real sense of when to get out of the way. Finally I had to say something, albeit I handled him with serious "kid gloves" so as not to discourage or offend him...

So, med students et al, pay attention and recognize that there are periods of downtime on our end in which we couldn't care less about you standing at the head of the bed. BUT, things change quickly and situations require our full attention. This can happen during unanticipated times, but also during reasonably predicatable times during any given procedure. Try to be cognizant of that.... Things can go from boring to intense very fast in this business and it doesn't always need to be a big case.

 

[pgg]

I don't think urge was griping about students rotating through anesthesia, so much as the ones rotating through surgery who get into our space and get in our way without so much as a polite hello. I admit being annoyed with surgery students who would stroll over to the head of the bed, put their asses in my face (literally), and peek over the curtain.


On the other hand, the occasional student who's done even a tiny bit of preparation and has questions about anesthesia, or wants to learn some airway management (without fixating on intubate intubate intubate), is a joy to be around.

 

[yappy]

Would it ever impress one of you attendings if during a complication or emergency a medical student took the initiative and "took charge" so to speak? Like saw low bp and anticipated a pressor that needed to be given so they drew it up and made the suggestion to give it?

 

[ASA6]

Would it ever impress one of you attendings if during a complication or emergency a medical student took the initiative and "took charge" so to speak? Like saw low bp and anticipated a pressor that needed to be given so they drew it up and made the suggestion to give it?

I cant stress enough to never ever do this.

 

[RxBoy]

Would it ever impress one of you attendings if during a complication or emergency a medical student took the initiative and "took charge" so to speak? Like saw low bp and anticipated a pressor that needed to be given so they drew it up and made the suggestion to give it?

This would result in a stick of sux in your *****.

 

[RxBoy]

To MS.. I actually love teaching however I have 3 rules...

1) Never be in the way
2) Don't act like a know it all
3) Talk quietly

I can't stress #3 enough. Nothing drives me more banana's when a rotator says something like "Hey why is the BP 80/40?" at the top of their voice. This usually leads me to escort them out the OR.

If you want to get good teaching... Introduce yourself followed by "do you mind if I stand and watch?.. If at ANY time you need me to move just let me know or push me aside". Then if you want to ask questions, ask QUIETLY. If you're being taught, just shut up and listen.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

Would it ever impress one of you attendings if during a complication or emergency a medical student took the initiative and "took charge" so to speak? Like saw low bp and anticipated a pressor that needed to be given so they drew it up and made the suggestion to give it?

yeah go for it!

 

[Mman]

Would it ever impress one of you attendings if during a complication or emergency a medical student took the initiative and "took charge" so to speak? Like saw low bp and anticipated a pressor that needed to be given so they drew it up and made the suggestion to give it?

Impress me? Not so much. I'd be impressed if the student recognized that the BP was low on the monitor. I'd be really impressed if they then started asking questions about why it was low and if and how I was planning on treating it.

But if they started grabbing drugs off the cart, I'd probably tell them to leave the room.

 

[urge]

I don't think urge was griping about students rotating through anesthesia, so much as the ones rotating through surgery who get into our space and get in our way without so much as a polite hello. I admit being annoyed with surgery students who would stroll over to the head of the bed, put their asses in my face (literally), and peek over the curtain.


On the other hand, the occasional student who's done even a tiny bit of preparation and has questions about anesthesia, or wants to learn some airway management (without fixating on intubate intubate intubate), is a joy to be around.

A scholar and a gentleman....

Most here don't get it.

 

[urge]

Would it ever impress one of you attendings if during a complication or emergency a medical student took the initiative and "took charge" so to speak? Like saw low bp and anticipated a pressor that needed to be given so they drew it up and made the suggestion to give it?

TalkIng about annoying....

 

[IlDestriero]

Med students who are not on anesthesia should never be in our anesthesia area in a cardiac case, obstructing our view of the field....never.

Yeah, because while you're surfing the net while on pump fighting to stay awake, you clearly need an unobstructed view of the entire OR.

 

[IlDestriero]

For real though. If I see a med student in the room, I have them come by. I have them try to intubate or place the LMA. Then I have them put in another IV when the patient is asleep. Since they are paying big bucks to be there I feel bad when they are ignored. If I'm feeling adventurous, I'll let them put in the a line and if enough time I'll let them do the central line with a lot of hand holding. I do a lot of vascular and neuro cases, so I have a lot of lines to place.

the least you can do if you're alone with a relatively straightforward patient. Everyone should know bag mask ventilation and how to place an iv.

 

[urge]

Why are you in academics? I'm sure there's a great teacher/mentor of anesthesia out there who would thrive in your position. Move to private practice, don't teach.

Listen silly wabbit, I have been named teacher of the year in our residency a few times.

This is a lesson in courtesy and common sense to medical students.

 

[urge]

Yeah, because while you're surfing the net while on pump fighting to stay awake, you clearly need an unobstructed view of the entire OR.

Do I watch? No, not anymore. I have seen hundreds as a resident, fellow, and attending. However, my residents or fellows want to watch. If Mr Surgeon, whom you have been brown nosing, did not see fit to get you close to the field, then I'm sorry to say it its not up to us to provide you with the experience, while sacrifying my resident's.

 

[Substance]

Annoying medical students are the worst! I want to strangle them!

Thing is, I know I was one of them.

The whole reason they're annoying is because of a lack of communication of their roles and responsibilities, and yes, we are as responsible for that as they are.

This kid was probably in the OR because the douchewad surgeon he had been assigned to was too much of a asshole to let him scrub and teach him some things, but still did the arsekat thing and demanded he stay in the OR to wait around. Or he said nothing to the student, who, being probably of a low-class background and clueless about the politics of the hospital, felt obligated to wait lest he fail the rotation and be relegated to serving French fries at the In&Out Burger like momma does. Or the surgeon told him to "go bother the anesthesiologists" and that's what he did. He's probably got no concept of dying vs not-dying, so didn't know when it was appropriate to interject with questions he probably felt forced to ask.

He is looking over the field continuously, even when there's nothing to see, to feign interest for the surgeon lest the surgeon berate him afterwards about not looking interested.

I bet 100% that he'd rather not be there. So you are probably on the same page.

Medical education sucks.

 

[scudrunner]

Would it ever impress one of you attendings if during a complication or emergency a medical student took the initiative and "took charge" so to speak? Like saw low bp and anticipated a pressor that needed to be given so they drew it up and made the suggestion to give it?

Holy ****, no.

That's kind of like scrubbing in on a surgery and grabbing a scalpel from the Mayo stand and asking the surgeon where he wants to cut.

 

[scudrunner]

Seriously.

I get it you want to watch and learn. That's fine. If you are shadowing the surgeons, stick to the surgeons. I don't want to see your rear on my face while I'm sitting on my stool. They didn't let you scrub in? Take a hint. Perhaps you shouldn't be there. Maybe the case is too complex, maybe they are ignoring you. Not my problem. You want to learn anesthesia? Do an anesthesia rotation. We will set you up in cases where you can learn and actually do something.

I don't mind an occasional question or two, but you might want to introduce yourself first before asking me stuff. Don't expect me to be wikipedia in the OR because you did not bother to read anything before coming in. If you don't know anything about anything better stay shut.

If you see a really sick patient who might not survive long, it is not a good time to be asking anything. If you are told to step away do so, before I tell you to step the f away. I dont want to be colliding with your ass while I'm busy. If you take a peak into the field and don't see anything, step away, there its nothing to see.

Echo is not a novelty toy. Don't ask me to show you anatomy you do not recognize. What Is the point of asking to see the aortic valve if you are going to ask me "is that the aortic valve" after I have already shown it to you.

Lastly, don't bring any stepping stool and creep into the anesthesia field without my permission.

You are not impressing anyone by being in the way for 8 hrs in a row. We are so glad when you leave.

Morals of this story for those who may be offended:

1) Use polite interpersonal communication skills

2) Know your place

3) Have some self-awareness

 

[Bertelman]

Morals of this story for those who may be offended:

1) Use polite interpersonal communication skills

2) Know your place

3) Have some self-awareness

Exactly

 

[doctor712]

I've had the MOST AMAZING attendings in the OR. Both Anesthesiologists and Surgeons. I'm older so maybe I had some fun experiences to share, or maybe I lucked out. I've been in for 100s of cases (maybe 200) and all but one dude were GREAT. a lot of what urge said is common sense that may be lost when someone is in the OR staring at a heart or something.

What was always a hit with anesthesiology was that no matter if I was shadowing them or surgery (depending how I could wiggle into the OR) I always ended up on the fun side of the curtain (wink) and would always loudly state my interest in anesthesia.

For med students, when things get loud or busy, just back away a bit. Usually an offer will come to stand "somewhere" and that should be your spot. If u sense a talkative doc, great. If u get someone quiet, I wouldn't talk their ear off. take visual clues, NEVER REACH FOR ANYTHING on or in the cart, unless asked, try to learn a little medicine, stay interested and have FUN!!! One thing is, you shouldn't find yourself in the way, if u do, that's a sign ur in the wrong spot. Sometimes when a CRNA or resident shows up u may need to shuffle to the back, and that's where I would step. Alternatively, if you're standing BEHIND the machine (I've seen this) you are really not getting much of an experience. So don't be that person. Introduce yourself. Be polite. Respectful (ALWAYS) make contacts and a friend if possible. Being in the OR is an amazing and privileged place to be if u ask me.

D712

 

[yappy]

lol. Sometimes you need to act - people may have previous health care experience that allows them to anticipate. Looks like it's the wrong thing to do. I get it - it would make me nervous too because you dont know the students skills.

In different professional cultures (ie. military) it's considered a good thing to be aggressive and take the bull by the horns. If people are in a training position and they're not anticipating, aggressive, and trying to do w/e they can until someone tells them "no" than they're not regarded as a good trainee.

TalkIng about annoying....

 

[gasattack3]

Would it ever impress one of you attendings if during a complication or emergency a medical student took the initiative and "took charge" so to speak? Like saw low bp and anticipated a pressor that needed to be given so they drew it up and made the suggestion to give it?

Next time some pt's BP drops to 90/50 post induction, for the biggest effect, draw up a stick of vasopressin, and hand it to the attending or resident and suggest they give it STAT!

Just having some fun man..... No worries.

 

[diagonal]

Watching the anesthesiologist actually makes me tired as ****, so I avoid looking over the drape. Whenever I catch a glimpse it's him sitting on a stool fingering a smart phone for hours on end. I honestly don't know how you do it. At least you get to sit down, but holy ****, for long surgeries, I think I'd lose my mind. It's one thing if I had to do it for a day. Or if I had a barka lounger and a PC. But a ****ing stool, the sound of beeps, and a smartphone. Day after day after day? Jesus take the wheel.

 

[RxBoy]

Jesus take the wheel.

You my friend, will fit into surgery like a nut in a bolt.

One of his previous posts in a thread titled "Motivations for entering medical school":

"I'm kind of unique in that I hated science and medicine, but I felt obligated to use the uniquely talented brain God blessed me with. He gave me a very advanced and high-functioning brain - and that is a rare thing to have. So I looked for society's most in-need job that could only be done by people with my exceedingly rare level of intellectual stamina. Medicine stood out as the obvious choice.

So yes, I chose medicine because I felt obligated to because of my incredible and rare mind. "

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g2dkDh4ov4[/YOUTUBE]

 

[urge]

Watching the anesthesiologist actually makes me tired as ****, so I avoid looking over the drape. Whenever I catch a glimpse it's him sitting on a stool fingering a smart phone for hours on end. I honestly don't know how you do it. At least you get to sit down, but holy ****, for long surgeries, I think I'd lose my mind. It's one thing if I had to do it for a day. Or if I had a barka lounger and a PC. But a ****ing stool, the sound of beeps, and a smartphone. Day after day after day? Jesus take the wheel.

You my friend, will fit into surgery like a nut in a bolt.

One of his previous posts in a thread titled "Motivations for entering medical school":

"I'm kind of unique in that I hated science and medicine, but I felt obligated to use the uniquely talented brain God blessed me with. He gave me a very advanced and high-functioning brain - and that is a rare thing to have. So I looked for society's most in-need job that could only be done by people with my exceedingly rare level of intellectual stamina. Medicine stood out as the obvious choice.

So yes, I chose medicine because I felt obligated to because of my incredible and rare mind. "

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g2dkDh4ov4[/YOUTUBE]

What an annoying little troll!

Good detective work RxBoy.

 

[sevoflurane]

"I'm kind of unique in that I hated science and medicine, but I felt obligated to use the uniquely talented brain God blessed me with. He gave me a very advanced and high-functioning brain - and that is a rare thing to have. So I looked for society's most in-need job that could only be done by people with my exceedingly rare level of intellectual stamina. Medicine stood out as the obvious choice.

So yes, I chose medicine because I felt obligated to because of my incredible and rare mind. "

This is a joke... right?

 

[diagonal]

This is a joke... right?

Nothing gets by RxBoy.

 

[Bertelman]

lol. Sometimes you need to act - people may have previous health care experience that allows them to anticipate. Looks like it's the wrong thing to do. I get it - it would make me nervous too because you dont know the students skills.

In different professional cultures (ie. military) it's considered a good thing to be aggressive and take the bull by the horns. If people are in a training position and they're not anticipating, aggressive, and trying to do w/e they can until someone tells them "no" than they're not regarded as a good trainee.

In an OR, med students are not trainees. They are observers. Period. It is a battlefield. Things can change quickly. You don't train new recruits on the battlefield.