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I am almost finished with residency and have realized that the playing field of dentistry has changed a lot since i started college over 10 years ago. Dentistry is not as great as people have said it was and here are some reasons why:

Realistically, you are going to have to go into 200,000-450,000 of student loan debt. I just read that the average medical student graduates with 150K or so. The problem is that it was from 2007. Right now, the stafford loans for grad students is 6.8% and the PLUS loan rate is 7.9 if you get direct loans. Think about that! If you have 450K in student loan debt (don't think this unimaginable) at just 6.8%, your monthly INTEREST will be $2550 PER MONTH!!!! Say you think, "well I'm better than other people and will only rack up 250K". Your INTEREST only will be 1416-1645 a month. This is not the payment needed to repay the loan, it is the amount of interest that will be constantly accruing (some while in school, some while not) every day until paid off. Of course it will decrease as you pay it down, but that is a very significant amount.

Problem: schools will loan you absurd amounts of money to pay absurd amounts of tuition. I feel that a lot of pre-dental students are being LIED to by making it sound like it's not going to be very hard to pay the loans back. They'll stretch it over 25 years for you, but have you ever thought that if you don't become debt free for 25 years you may want to try a profession that could help you accomplish your goals without having to go 25 years in debt.

you can poke holes in my statement, because i am sure that most pay their loans off before 25 years. But think about this idea.

Let me loan you a quarter of a million dollars. Then i'll charge a "high" interest rate and let that accrue. It will end up being about another quarter of a million dollars over the course of the loan. maybe more maybe less. Then let me not require you to make payments until you are "rich" and making a couple hundred thousand dollars. let's just say you make 100K your first year (yes, that is realistic and if anyone tells you that it will be much more than that, you better get it in writing.)

So you will pay a half million dollars back to those who loaned the money to you and those who charged you tuition. What you may not realize is that you will be TAXED in a very high tax bracket. let's just say 30% for simplicity, but more than that is not unrealistic. There is no way I can think of that you can pay your student loans and a significant part of the interest on them without using POST-TAX DOLLARS. So in order for you to round up the half-million dollars, you must make close to 3/4 million dollars to pay it back.

Let's add it up:
1/4 million in tax you could have used to build your business pre-tax
1/4 million in interest
1/4 million to your institution for your education.

Just expect that it will be three times more expensive than you thought, and take 3 times longer to pay back than you thought.

Oh yeah, and dentists don't really make as much as they say they do. Talk to CPA's and they'll let you know that some dentists in perhaps your community are making under 100K (usually new ones).

Even making 250,000 a year, you won't have a pension, you'll work very hard (contrary to popular belief) and after paying for your own and your employee's health care (as opposed to having a job that provides that) and your student loan payments and TAXES (you will pay a lot of taxes . . . just think about half of what you make will go to taxes) you will end up with a discretionary income very similar or less than most of your neighbors.

Someone told me that I would be part of the top 5% earners in the population. What i wasn't told was that I'd pay a third of that in taxes and the other third or so would go to insurances, student loans, and other things to keep me from having people take my wife's house away if i died and that i'd be left with less discretionary income than some people with a fraction of my income.

Think about it long and hard. There are a lot of areas you can go into that will allow you just as much success financially as dentistry, or more.
 
So you will pay a half million dollars back to those who loaned the money to you and those who charged you tuition. What you may not realize is that you will be TAXED in a very high tax bracket. let's just say 30% for simplicity, but more than that is not unrealistic. There is no way I can think of that you can pay your student loans and a significant part of the interest on them without using POST-TAX DOLLARS. So in order for you to round up the half-million dollars, you must make close to 3/4 million dollars to pay it back.

Vote Republican???

Anyways, on a serious note, thanks for the heads-up, but for most accepted AADSAS 2010 applicants, it will not deter them from Dental School. To those AADSAS 2011 applicants...I guess read into it. 👍
 
It is a very valid point and something that those looking to get into the field should strongly consider. The financial viability of dentistry is surely going to change and I can't imagine for the better. More debt coupled with a lower income will spell trouble for many. Regardless, there will still be more applicants than seats and schools will be able to ding students for as much as they want...
 
Don't you think studying dentistry was all worth it though?

If not, what field would you have to if you had the choice to do it all over again?
I'm not entirely sure, but I find many that many people aim at pharmacy school as a path to "financial success."
 
Simple solution to this if you are scared..... 4 yrs in the military= debt free when getting out. Solution solved.

I was in the military for 4 years and it went by really fast. If I know my debt will be that large and if the op is telling the truth, then military here I come!
 
Don't you think studying dentistry was all worth it though?

If not, what field would you have to if you had the choice to do it all over again?
I'm not entirely sure, but I find many that many people aim at pharmacy school as a path to "financial success."

Pharmacy is also going downhill. 35 new schools in the past year-current year-upcoming years. Considering there are already ~100 or so pharmacy schools...meh over-saturation much? None-the-less pharmacy schools will still open up, accept students, sit on loans, and make a killer paycheck while the students are promised "amazing" opportunities that WERE there 10 years ago.

The only saving grace between pharmacy and dentistry is the ability to specialize as a Dentist.
 
Yes, dental education is expensive. However, you need to understand that you are getting a specialized skill. When you have a specialized skill you can make it work in your favor.

Don't think about money, think about the doors that will open with this degree. Remember 90% of dentists own their own practices, the autonomy of the profession. If you know how to save you will save a lot more than any pension can give you. Invest in stocks, make the money you make work for you.

I have 200k debt for dental school, I then went on and got a MBA and paid cash for that degree.

Loan payment is like 1,300 a month which is a days work. If I could work 16 days a month and have to give up $1,300 a month, and still have $15,000 to play with I'm not complaining. I will put 5k in stocks, 2k in a retirement fun and I still have money for living. 30 years go by and you have enough to retire.

If you know how to manage your money there is no hotter profession than dentistry. Yes, go to a cheaper school if the option arises.

I would avoid any school that will put you in the over $350K debt area, esp if you have debt from undergrad.

500K of debt will translate to 1.5million debt over 30 years.

However, education where ever you go is expensive. I would much rather pay 300k for dental school than 150k for a BS/BA and another 100K for a masters.

Just my 2 cents.

DesiDentist
 
I dont agree with the OP, while I am not in dental school (yet.) I clearly understand that most dentists even fresh out of school) make at least 120K, (the minority that makes less than 100k, is not justifiable enough to quit dentistry, because that wont occur to most dentists)

If you make 120K or even 100K a year (working for someone else while you build the capital for a business) you make slightly more or less than 5k a month. Evennnnnn after loans of $2,500 a month; you still have half your salary to live off. Meaning if you have a spouse or girlfriend that makes even as little as 50K, you can afford to live a comfortable lifestyle together on about $5,500 a month (perhaps not as glamorous as you would like, but you would be perfectly fine.) In addition to other comments made by the OP, no job is secure or comfortable or easy if you get paid over 100K. If worked for nearly numerous years in the Finance/IT sector and have seen people work equivalent hours to dentistry, making significantly less money, and being laid off when the economy hit the crapper (or when the company felt they were expendable.) Meanwhile, dentists (I personally know of) in NYC, we're pulling in nearly quarter to half a million dollars a year. (owning their own businesses.)

In conclusion, no job is easy, fun, or a guarantee to success or financial bliss. But what dentistry does offer is one of the highest ROIs of any field because when you work for yourself (even if you work 12 hours a day) you keep the maximum amount of money you earned (minus expenses.) This is a win/win situation. Meanwhile, If you work at big corporations, you usually get 0.0000001% of their profits AND you still work long hours (lose/lose situation.)
 
I think the biggest mistake people make is getting too wrapped up in the averages and the starting salary. As the previous post just stated you will be able to make ends meet in the beginning. It wont be glamorous but you will be able to pay the bills, and thats working for someone else fresh out. It only gets better with time. The key to dentistry is that you are self employed and therefore, your income is up to you. It's all about earning potential. If the dentist down the street only wants to work four days a week, good for him/her. I know I will have debt to pay so I'm happy to work a normal work week, especially for myself. Furthermore, I'm not worried about being able to run a successful practice, some dentists are great on the clinical side but can't cut running their own business and you end up seeing their practice abandoned. And as far as saturation, there are parts of the country that have an abundance of dentists, but there are plenty that do not, and they are'nt necessarilly podunk towns. And for everyone who keeps posting about taxes, what field are you going into where you wont pay steep taxes while making six figs?
 
Yes, dental education is expensive. However, you need to understand that you are getting a specialized skill. When you have a specialized skill you can make it work in your favor.

Don't think about money, think about the doors that will open with this degree. Remember 90% of dentists own their own practices, the autonomy of the profession. If you know how to save you will save a lot more than any pension can give you. Invest in stocks, make the money you make work for you.

I have 200k debt for dental school, I then went on and got a MBA and paid cash for that degree.

Loan payment is like 1,300 a month which is a days work. If I could work 16 days a month and have to give up $1,300 a month, and still have $15,000 to play with I'm not complaining. I will put 5k in stocks, 2k in a retirement fun and I still have money for living. 30 years go by and you have enough to retire.

If you know how to manage your money there is no hotter profession than dentistry. Yes, go to a cheaper school if the option arises.

I would avoid any school that will put you in the over $350K debt area, esp if you have debt from undergrad.

500K of debt will translate to 1.5million debt over 30 years.

However, education where ever you go is expensive. I would much rather pay 300k for dental school than 150k for a BS/BA and another 100K for a masters.

Just my 2 cents.

DesiDentist

Something i thought about: investing. Isn't stock kinda risky? Good point and teach us more!
 
As we all know it is important that we get compensated for what we do... In general the cheaper the school we get into the better. But is that what we all are really doing this for? Sure we want a nice house and a nice car but I believe there is more to becoming a dentist than just getting huge pay checks...Like the poster above said we get specialized skills... We HELP make peoples lives better... We interact with people all day...Sure there are other occupations that can do the same thing but we each have something driving us towards this profession. I know I do! And sure do I look forward to making money? Yes... Is that all I have to look forward to as a dentist? No.👍
 
Sorry to disagree Ortho. Dentistry is still the best thing going.
a) changing peoples lives- yes I mean it!
b) you are your own boss- nobody is the boss of me. Look around at someone senior to you that you know that got laid-off in 2008-2010 after 20 something years with their co.
c) ADA average over $200k income- I'm not average, are you?
d) 4 days/wk ADA average
e) 48 weeks/yr ADA average
f) demographics heavily favor dentists, i.e. aging population with money and teeth
g) etc, etc etc.
 
I am almost finished with residency and have realized that the playing field of dentistry has changed a lot since i started college over 10 years ago. Dentistry is not as great as people have said it was and here are some reasons why:

Realistically, you are going to have to go into 200,000-450,000 of student loan debt. I just read that the average medical student graduates with 150K or so. The problem is that it was from 2007. Right now, the stafford loans for grad students is 6.8% and the PLUS loan rate is 7.9 if you get direct loans. Think about that! If you have 450K in student loan debt (don't think this unimaginable) at just 6.8%, your monthly INTEREST will be $2550 PER MONTH!!!! Say you think, "well I'm better than other people and will only rack up 250K". Your INTEREST only will be 1416-1645 a month. This is not the payment needed to repay the loan, it is the amount of interest that will be constantly accruing (some while in school, some while not) every day until paid off. Of course it will decrease as you pay it down, but that is a very significant amount.

Problem: schools will loan you absurd amounts of money to pay absurd amounts of tuition. I feel that a lot of pre-dental students are being LIED to by making it sound like it's not going to be very hard to pay the loans back. They'll stretch it over 25 years for you, but have you ever thought that if you don't become debt free for 25 years you may want to try a profession that could help you accomplish your goals without having to go 25 years in debt.

you can poke holes in my statement, because i am sure that most pay their loans off before 25 years. But think about this idea.

Let me loan you a quarter of a million dollars. Then i'll charge a "high" interest rate and let that accrue. It will end up being about another quarter of a million dollars over the course of the loan. maybe more maybe less. Then let me not require you to make payments until you are "rich" and making a couple hundred thousand dollars. let's just say you make 100K your first year (yes, that is realistic and if anyone tells you that it will be much more than that, you better get it in writing.)

So you will pay a half million dollars back to those who loaned the money to you and those who charged you tuition. What you may not realize is that you will be TAXED in a very high tax bracket. let's just say 30% for simplicity, but more than that is not unrealistic. There is no way I can think of that you can pay your student loans and a significant part of the interest on them without using POST-TAX DOLLARS. So in order for you to round up the half-million dollars, you must make close to 3/4 million dollars to pay it back.

Let's add it up:
1/4 million in tax you could have used to build your business pre-tax
1/4 million in interest
1/4 million to your institution for your education.

Just expect that it will be three times more expensive than you thought, and take 3 times longer to pay back than you thought.

Oh yeah, and dentists don't really make as much as they say they do. Talk to CPA's and they'll let you know that some dentists in perhaps your community are making under 100K (usually new ones).

Even making 250,000 a year, you won't have a pension, you'll work very hard (contrary to popular belief) and after paying for your own and your employee's health care (as opposed to having a job that provides that) and your student loan payments and TAXES (you will pay a lot of taxes . . . just think about half of what you make will go to taxes) you will end up with a discretionary income very similar or less than most of your neighbors.

Someone told me that I would be part of the top 5% earners in the population. What i wasn't told was that I'd pay a third of that in taxes and the other third or so would go to insurances, student loans, and other things to keep me from having people take my wife's house away if i died and that i'd be left with less discretionary income than some people with a fraction of my income.

Think about it long and hard. There are a lot of areas you can go into that will allow you just as much success financially as dentistry, or more.

Can you please elaborate more on the bold statement above.
 
that's it...I'm outta here...gonna be a hedge fund manager, those guys are pinnacle
 
accountants that have been working ~10 years will be hovering around 150,000 easily.
 
accountants that have been working ~10 years will be hovering around 150,000 easily.

Yes but... do you really want to be an ACCOUNTANT? Uggh... makes me shiver thinking about it
 
to become a partner at the Big 4 you need 15 years of accounting experience. so hypothetically an accountant could expect to be made a partner at age ~40. Average pay for a partner ranged from 150,000 - 330,000

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=Ernst_and_Young_LLP/Salary/by_Job

if you're ok with 150,000 until retirement, go get your CPA. Lot less work.

you realize these positions are NO WHERE near as numerous as the 4500 dentists graduating each year... right?
 
to become a partner at the Big 4 you need 15 years of accounting experience. so hypothetically an accountant could expect to be made a partner at age ~40. Average pay for a partner ranged from 150,000 - 330,000

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=Ernst_and_Young_LLP/Salary/by_Job

if you're ok with 150,000 until retirement, go get your CPA. Lot less work.

:laugh:

this guy puts up salaries of people from Ernst and Yong. Not all accountants will get a job at that company.

not every accountant will go over 100k after 10 years.

The starting salary for accountants is actually 40k with bach degree.

With Cpa it can be around 60k.



Things to remember. IF a company can hire you and pay you salary instead of hourly wage you will be set at a rate which will increase very slowly. Here is what I mean.

lets say you get a job at X company(fortune 500 b/c I have been in them all my life) you get started at 50k as a starter with bach degree, for accounting. And you decide to go get masters GUESS WHAT they will pay for it but do not increase your salary by the expected 20k. But if you leave you might not get a good job with benefits as the last one so you decide to stay and wait it out. But if you quit the job and get the same job again after 3 years your salary will jump ~20k. But its a huge risk most people are unable to take it b/c of the competition in the current job market.

PS Money is harder to earn then what payscale shows.

OP i am sorry but no matter what you say b/c you probably did not get good opportunities after graduating. But i have seen my family members, friends who are recent grads doing it good and i have talked to them and their experience is completely opposite than yours.
 
In Quebec I believe that all the tuition we pay is tax deductible. My friend who did his dds at columbia and endo at PENN has about half a million in tuition tax credits built up over the years should he choose to come back home to Quebec and practise. That's gotta help too. I can't say I agree with the grim outlook the OP is forecasting for us..however maybe it's highly variable depending on where you live, how skilled you are etc..
 
dentalworks you're missing my point. if you are ok with making 150,000 a year until retirement, but starting your profession at age 28 with 350,000 of debt at a high interest rate, be my guest. I think it is a horrible financial decision and you can do something else to make that kind of money without all that debt.

For argument's sake say you become a dentist and I come out of college at 22 to become an accountant.

Your life starts at 28 with 300,000 of debt.
My life starts at 22 with 0 debt.

By the time I'm 28, I'm making 80-90k. I started out at 50-60k and have been saving a little every year. You're making 100k but have a nice debt repayment schedule.

I'm making 150,000 at 35. So are you.

Don't you see what I'm saying? That you need to be making well over 150,000 as a dentist for this to be worth it?
 
OP i am sorry but no matter what you say b/c you probably did not get good opportunities after graduating. But i have seen my family members, friends who are recent grads doing it good and i have talked to them and their experience is completely opposite than yours.

I dunno penutb123....
I am expecting to sit in a $200,000 ferrari my first year out of DS....and if that doesn't happen... you can bet i'll be stopping by SDN to post a thread about how studying dentistry isn't worth the hassle
 
dentalworks you're missing my point. if you are ok with making 150,000 a year until retirement, but starting your profession at age 28 with 350,000 of debt at a high interest rate, be my guest. I think it is a horrible financial decision and you can do something else to make that kind of money without all that debt.

For argument's sake say you become a dentist and I come out of college at 22 to become an accountant.

Your life starts at 28 with 300,000 of debt.
My life starts at 22 with 0 debt.

By the time I'm 28, I'm making 80-90k. I started out at 50-60k and have been saving a little every year. You're making 100k but have a nice debt repayment schedule.

I'm making 150,000 at 35. So are you.

Don't you see what I'm saying? That you need to be making well over 150,000 as a dentist for this to be worth it?

Dude are you serious.

Here is my last advice. And i want you to think really hard about this you dont have say anything back or anything just think about this.

100 step/ ladder from a mile away will look like 2 cm. But when you come closer and closer to it, it gets bigger. And then you realize its harder to climb the ladder up because the each step on the ladder is already occupied and will be for another 20 years or so. And Before even you reach the middle of the ladder you might not be able to hold on or be pushed of the ladder. Then you have to start climbing another ladder from scratch. (think about this) its no disrespect to you just think about this when you get an internship etc...
 
dentalworks you're missing my point. if you are ok with making 150,000 a year until retirement, but starting your profession at age 28 with 350,000 of debt at a high interest rate, be my guest. I think it is a horrible financial decision and you can do something else to make that kind of money without all that debt.

For argument's sake say you become a dentist and I come out of college at 22 to become an accountant.

Your life starts at 28 with 300,000 of debt.
My life starts at 22 with 0 debt.

By the time I'm 28, I'm making 80-90k. I started out at 50-60k and have been saving a little every year. You're making 100k but have a nice debt repayment schedule.

I'm making 150,000 at 35. So are you.

Don't you see what I'm saying? That you need to be making well over 150,000 as a dentist for this to be worth it?

oh no... I am not missing your point.....

But your "flawless" logic about how you'll slowly and gradual built your income in the ranks of 100-150k has an unthought-off scenario... what are you gonna do when your company is having slow quarters and a cut-off list is established? and maybe your one of the selected to go? thats right, back to unemployment line.... and when you apply for your next job with 10+ years of experience, you will be listed as an "over-qualified" applicant, your resume will be thrown to the side because they'd much rather hire someone straight out of college for 50k...

Now when you compare that job to the private practitioner who owns thier own establishment, its a pretty safe bet to say that the job security with dentistry out-weights the lack of debt from an accountant degree.
 
I dunno penutb123....
I am expecting to sit in a $200,000 ferrari my first year out of DS....and if that doesn't happen... you can bet i'll be stopping by SDN to post a thread about how studying dentistry isn't worth the hassle

I dont know DW. i am not willing to sell my farrari that i brought for 350k to you for 200k.


no but all in seriousness tho. They are doing really well tho. They are doing earning more than the my boss's Boss. Who is like in mid 50. and these people are like in 30's. and they will be earning more and more each year. But until 20 years my boss's spot & his boss's will be reserved for them. SO you better believe there is no way that i will be able to go up in that company.
 
dude I want to be a dentist I'm on the same page as you

but your "goal" of 150,000 a year till retirement is pathetic

then again, you're from sterling heights, michigan.
 
I wish there was some "guarantee" in life that says "if I follow this route, I will make X money, and be happy forever."

Nap5035, do you have the cure to my ever-burning question?
 
dude I want to be a dentist I'm on the same page as you

but your "goal" of 150,000 a year till retirement is pathetic

then again, you're from sterling heights, michigan.

I don't how how to respond to this...

Apparently I've made a goal to make a 150k a year and... Im from sterling hts Michigan.... You got me there.
 
I wish there was some "guarantee" in life that says "if I follow this route, I will make X money, and be happy forever."

Nap5035, do you have the cure to my ever-burning question?

He does.... go be an accountant and work for 10 years minimum
 
yes rainee. yes i do.

go to the cheapest school. then take over your pop's dental chain
 
dentalWorks, you think taking 300,000 for school out and working for 150,000 till retirement is a sound investment. I think its a bad one.

End of conversation, there's nothing more to argue about.

Sorry about insulting your neighborhood it sounds like a nice place
 
dentalWorks, you think taking 300,000 for school out and working for 150,000 till retirement is a sound investment. I think its a bad one.

End of conversation, there's nothing more to argue about.

Sorry about insulting your neighborhood it sounds like a nice place

its a good thing your going for dentistry and not accounting...
 
i'll be making more than 150,000 🙂 thats why I think it's a good investment.
 
i'll be making more than 150,000 🙂 thats why I think it's a good investment.

My personal dentist (not specialist) is doing pretty well. He works 5 days a week around the 7 hour a day mark. He took some CE classes in ortho and endo over the years and hes now reaching his 60th birthday. He made 500k last year. That is no lie, 500k aka .5 million/yr
 
lol you guys all need to chill out! nap no need to be a tool, besides googling useless facts you should be well aware of each field and the positives and negatives. yes, if you have 0 debt you earn more in the long run (no one is attempting to argue pure math) however, you can take it from me as I've worked in the Finance/Accounting industry for numerous years. Money means nothing when you can be fired the next day, i've seen Senior VP's that were making more than 200K, be fired in one day... and guess what their next job wont give them that much.... if never seen a dentist who got fired... oh wait.. most dentists are their own bosses. :laugh:
 
My personal dentist (not specialist) is doing pretty well. He works 5 days a week around the 7 hour a day mark. He took some CE classes in ortho and endo over the years and hes now reaching his 60th birthday. He made 500k last year. That is no lie, 500k aka .5 million/yr

500k before overhead expenses or after?

If its after, man this guy's office probably collects 900k-1.1 mill a year.... thats a good office... Unfortunately, many of us won't hit that mark for a LONG time after graduation.
 
500k before overhead expenses or after?

If its after, man this guy's office probably collects 900k-1.1 mill a year.... thats a good office... Unfortunately, many of us won't hit that mark for a LONG time after graduation.

Couldn't tell you DW. However another younger dentist who I shadowed last summer is clearing 300k, again no specialist. Probably 33-36 years old.
 
I understand everyone wants to be financially compensated for putting in their years in school, but money shouldn't be the only factor. Everyone is so focused on money, rightly so, but there are other aspects of dentistry that beat most corporate jobs out there. When I graduate dental school, I will not only be able to provide healthcare (awesome), I will have autonomy and not have to succumb to the evil that is corporate america. Yea you might hit 6 figure salary 6 years after your under grad degree, but prepare for a pink slip every time the economy has a hick-up. Again, starting over from scratch, trying to find ends meet, while having family and kids to support. Having to become a corporate wh*** working weekends like my sister, because she's scared to loose her job! I don't care if I had to take out a million, I would still do it. I would rather pay back butt loads of loans, than work for some corporate sweat shop. And yea I know a CPA very closely, sure he makes six figures, but she also works 80 hrs a week. Add that up and its probably a little over minimum wage (haha)
 
500k before overhead expenses or after?

If its after, man this guy's office probably collects 900k-1.1 mill a year.... thats a good office... Unfortunately, many of us won't hit that mark for a LONG time after graduation.

500k? I'd bet it is a 1.5-2 million dollar practice easy.
 
I understand everyone wants to be financially compensated for putting in their years in school, but money shouldn't be the only factor. Everyone is so focused on money, rightly so, but there are other aspects of dentistry that beat most corporate jobs out there. When I graduate dental school, I will not only be able to provide healthcare (awesome), I will have autonomy and not have to succumb to the evil that is corporate america. Yea you might hit 6 figure salary 6 years after your under grad degree, but prepare for a pink slip every time the economy has a hick-up. Again, starting over from scratch, trying to find ends meet, while having family and kids to support. Having to become a corporate wh*** working weekends like my sister, because she's scared to loose her job! I don't care if I had to take out a million, I would still do it. I would rather pay back butt loads of loans, than work for some corporate sweat shop. And yea I know a CPA very closely, sure he makes six figures, but she also works 80 hrs a week. Add that up and its probably a little over minimum wage (haha)

Please hold on to this statement throughout your career as a dentist. It's so true; money is not everything. I've heard a dentist say money is his life and I'd bet that is the case for most male dentists. I think if you focus on having a patient-based practice rather than a profit-based practice, the compensation will not only come, but also you will get a much more meaningful reward--satisfaction.
 
You're fooling yourself if you think the average accountant makes that much @ 28. You'll prob make around 40-55k for the first 5-10 yrs then bump that up to around 70k toward the end of your career by hitting the glass ceiling unless you're something really special. You dont automatically get substantial raises for doing the same job and higher you go the more competitive the jobs and duties get (not to mention there is less of those positions).

Lets also factor in down sizing, the crappy economy, the fact that accounting is a common major, etc etc.

Saying you're making 150k by 35 is as optimistic as saying the dentist is breaking 400k.


*Edit: average accountant salary in my area is 35-51k (2010, 9000 reporting individuals).

dentalworks you're missing my point. if you are ok with making 150,000 a year until retirement, but starting your profession at age 28 with 350,000 of debt at a high interest rate, be my guest. I think it is a horrible financial decision and you can do something else to make that kind of money without all that debt.

For argument's sake say you become a dentist and I come out of college at 22 to become an accountant.

Your life starts at 28 with 300,000 of debt.
My life starts at 22 with 0 debt.

By the time I'm 28, I'm making 80-90k. I started out at 50-60k and have been saving a little every year. You're making 100k but have a nice debt repayment schedule.

I'm making 150,000 at 35. So are you.

Don't you see what I'm saying? That you need to be making well over 150,000 as a dentist for this to be worth it?
 
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Our in-state school is ~25k per year. Not planning on taking out a lot of extra loans (my wife is going to school while I'm working), so we're looking at a little over 100k in debt. I'm planning on working when she's done, so we will most likely be completely debt free 2 years after her graduation.

Your situation doesn't apply to everyone.
 
You're fooling yourself if you think the average accountant makes that much @ 28. You'll prob make around 40-55k for the first 5-10 yrs then bump that up to around 70k toward the end of your career by hitting the glass ceiling unless you're something really special.

I agree. There aren't many places that offer a guaranteed "automatic promotion." The only place that I know that gives this is FedEx. A whopping $0.25 raise every 6 months.

I think what the OP argues would make sense if this were a "accounting vs medical school" thread. But in "accounting vs dentistry," dentistry will win every time.
 
I understand what the OP is saying, and it's a valid point but, accounting vs. dentistry? Seriously? I mean, counting money for the rest of my life for "the man" vs. doing something I love and working for myself even though it costs more...it's a pretty easy decision for me. Would you rather be miserable and debt free or happy and in debt?
 
lol i dun know about states, but in Canada, charted accountants rake in some good money.
 
I work in Finance/Accounting besides it being BORING AS HELL! it does not Pay more vs. dentistry WHEN you factor in the freedom, ROI on a dental office, and the overall lifestyle. Accountants themselves do not make a lot of money, but when you get promoted to a Accounting Manager or Accounting Director in a Finance/IT company you already make up to 130K. Vice Presidents tend to make 200K, but again you work LONG days and you can be FIRED at ANY TIME for ANY REASON! (you will probably be fired or let go at least once in your lifetime; esp when the economy is bad)

The risk outweighs the reward.
 
I work in Finance/Accounting besides it being BORING AS HELL! it does not Pay more vs. dentistry WHEN you factor in the freedom, ROI on a dental office, and the overall lifestyle. Accountants themselves do not make a lot of money, but when you get promoted to a Accounting Manager or Accounting Director in a Finance/IT company you already make up to 130K. Vice Presidents tend to make 200K, but again you work LONG days and you can be FIRED at ANY TIME for ANY REASON! (you will probably be fired or let go at least once in your lifetime; esp when the economy is bad)

The risk outweighs the reward.

Bah...why would you let the facts get in the way of a good story? ><
 
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