Doris Duke/CRTP/HHMI/Sarnoff Thread

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diosa428 said:
Well I do know that when you do the Doris Duke application, you have the option of checking a box that allows you to be contacted by programs that still have available spots after the acceptance period is over, even if you didn't apply to them. Iowa did contact me and my friend (neither of us had applied there), and I know that they had done so with other students in years past. So I'm not sure how big their program is supposed to be; perhaps they ended up filling it with students who hadn't applied.
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Diosa, thank you for the clarification regarding that. Your previous post now makes more sense in light of that.
 
Good luck today everyone waiting to hear from the Cloisters. 👍
 
for cloister...

haven't heard anything either way here (1:27pm PST), but I looked at years past earlier in this thread and interview notifications went out in a span of days, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

does anyone know if they send out rejections via email, or if it's just snail mail for rejections?
 
Not to crush anyone's dreams here (I also haven't heard anything), but looking at years past, they definitely sent them out in one batch. People posted over the span of a few days, but it seemed like they were all talking about receiving it at the same time, on the same day. That said, I'd be happy for someone to prove me wrong. =) No idea how rejections are sent, I assume snail mail b/c otherwise why not just send rejection emails at the same time?
 
haha, my dreams were crushed already not having recieved an email...

but socmob, I'm referencing posts #64 and #73 -- two people recieved interview invites and claim to have recieved email notifications on a monday and tuesday. So if they were telling the truth/were able to read when the emails were sent correctly, then as of last year, they sent out interview notifications over a 2 day span at least...

but again, this may just be clinging on to some hope...
 
...the decision committee just finished meeting today. I spoke with the coordinator and he said that emails and letters with decisions would be sent out to all CRTP applicants within the next 24-48 hours.

He said that the HHMI committee met last Thursday, and that is why their emails went out today. Therefore nobody else needs to be a spaz like me and call them, all worried about their status! :laugh: He acknowledged that there will be a lot of overlap between the applicant pools.

He also said that CRTP interviews will be held the 9th, with a pre-interview event on the 8th.
 
Khanal007 said:
but socmob, I'm referencing posts #64 and #73 -- two people recieved interview invites and claim to have recieved email notifications on a monday and tuesday. So if they were telling the truth/were able to read when the emails were sent correctly, then as of last year, they sent out interview notifications over a 2 day span at least...
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If you check out #73, it was posted at 2am of the next day and the person said they'd received the invite early that morning. So, I think it's just someone who was still awake at 2am of the next day. Sorry...for both of us!
 
RxnMan said:
He said that the HHMI committee met last Thursday, and that is why their emails went out today. Therefore nobody else needs to be a spaz like me and call them, all worried about their status! :laugh: He acknowledged that there will be a lot of overlap between the applicant pools.
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So does this mean the HHMI invitations go out over a 2 day period as well?
 
HarveyCushing said:
So does this mean the HHMI invitations go out over a 2 day period as well?
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I only asked about the things covered in my post - the CRTP program. I have no idea about HHMI or DD.

Try to contact the program directly. Post what you learn for everyone else. Good luck.
 
RxnMan said:
Remember that SDN is on "Lee Burnett Time," also known in some circles as the Pacific Time Zone.
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You can change the time setting to match yours in your user profile, so this is a non-issue.
 
RxnMan said:
I only asked about the things covered in my post - the CRTP program. I have no idea about HHMI or DD.
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I was just confused by your original post where you mentioned

RxnMan said:
He said that the HHMI committee met last Thursday, and that is why their emails went out today. Therefore nobody else needs to be a spaz like me and call them, all worried about their status! He acknowledged that there will be a lot of overlap between the applicant pools.
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Just sounds like you asked/heard something about the HHMI program. That is why I thought I would ask.
 
HarveyCushing said:
You can change the time setting to match yours in your user profile, so this is a non-issue.
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It was a joke. But thanks for the tip. 👍

HarveyCushing said:
...Just sounds like you asked/heard something about the HHMI program. That is why I thought I would ask.
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I told the CRTP coordinator I was calling b/c HHMI sent their letters/emails today. His response is what I wrote in my post.
 
socmob said:
If you check out #73, it was posted at 2am of the next day and the person said they'd received the invite early that morning. So, I think it's just someone who was still awake at 2am of the next day. Sorry...for both of us!
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ah, yes, I stand corrected. this is unfortunate.
 
dsh said:
I emailed Min Lee about Cloisters and will let you guys know what I find out. I'd call but it's past business hours out there. I'm not too hopeful about this, but it was a good try!
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thanks, that would be helpful, I may call tommorrow morning as well to find out and will let everyone know. I personally need to know for planning purposes for those weekends...
 
It seems the HHMI and CRTP programs are quite competitive. Given this, would it be wise for an interested student to apply to attend these programs as early as a 2nd year med student so that if you're not accepted the first time you can always reapply as a 3rd year med student?

If you get accepted as a 2nd year med student, will the lack of clinical experience hurt you if you get accepted to a program with clinical research such as the CRTP?
 
Brooke12 said:
It seems the HHMI and CRTP programs are quite competitive. Given this, would it be wise for an interested student to apply to attend these programs as early as a 2nd year med student so that if you're not accepted the first time you can always reapply as a 3rd year med student?

If you get accepted as a 2nd year med student, will the lack of clinical experience hurt you if you get accepted to a program with clinical research such as the CRTP?
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This has been discussed before. You can't do CRTP without having completed 1yr of clinical rotations. Please look here for more information regarding the program: http://www.cc.nih.gov/training/crtp/faq.html
 
Anyone think the economy might affect how many spots each fellowship can offer (probably except CRTP which isn't based off a foundation)? Since DD and HHMI are based off an endowment, I wonder how the crazy hit the stockmarket has taken will affect these programs if at all?
 
I was just going through my school's email spam box and noticed that I had an email from HHMI from yesterday. I got an interview for Cloisters!! 😀 Those of you who didn't hear anything, make sure to check your spam box to see if it accidentally got sent there by your school's mail server.
 
HarveyCushing said:
Anyone think the economy might affect how many spots each fellowship can offer (probably except CRTP which isn't based off a foundation)? Since DD and HHMI are based off an endowment, I wonder how the crazy hit the stockmarket has taken will affect these programs if at all?
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Part of CRTP's funding comes from Pfizer, but they are not planning on decreasing the number of spots for next year (30).
 
HarveyCushing said:
I was just going through my school's email spam box and noticed that I had an email from HHMI from yesterday. I got an interview for Cloisters!! 😀 Those of you who didn't hear anything, make sure to check your spam box to see if it accidentally got sent there by your school's mail server.
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that is amazing, what a great feeling that must have been, congrats.
 
HarveyCushing said:
Anyone think the economy might affect how many spots each fellowship can offer (probably except CRTP which isn't based off a foundation)? Since DD and HHMI are based off an endowment, I wonder how the crazy hit the stockmarket has taken will affect these programs if at all?
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I can't say for sure about the other programs, but the HHMI RSP takes 42 students every year because there are 42 rooms in the Cloister. Besides that, the budget for the RSP is a very small portion of the total HHMI budget. My guess is that it would take something far more massive than this to put a dent in the program.
 
If you look at the last few years, the CRTP emails have come in the evening - 5:30-6:30ish, so a few more hours probably...=)
 
hey guys,

got an interview invite for Penn Doris Duke. Does anyone know how many people the program usually interviews/accepts?
 
pfire said:
hey guys,

got an interview invite for Penn Doris Duke. Does anyone know how many people the program usually interviews/accepts?
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I got one also!! I'm so excited.
 
CRTP emails are out!
 
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dsh said:
Just got my snail mail rejection for Cloisters. Good luck guys, hopefully I'll have better luck next year!
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Did you just apply to Cloisters, or did you also apply to DD?
 
ok I'm officially confused.

I thought since I never saw a Cloisters email that I had been rejected.

But I have yet to receive a snail mail rejection and others in this thread received it yesterday. After hearing how your school's email junked the invite, I'm starting to worry, since my spam clears daily and I did not check it till two days after invites went out.

Trying to see if I can get in touch with Cloisters to confirm one way or the other.
 
does anyone know the official start date for the crtp program? if not, does anyone know when the start date for last year was? was it late july?
 
wonderboy00 said:
does anyone know the official start date for the crtp program? if not, does anyone know when the start date for last year was? was it late july?
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Look at the past posts, especially #287 as a few current and former CRTPers have chimed in.
 
If accepted to one of these programs, does anyone know the process to defer loans for those of you/us that have them? I talked to the fin-aid office at school here, and she made it seem like I would have to call up the lenders individually and ask for deferment/forebearance.

I imagine they would be willing to do so since it would be an educational leave, but is there some other way/easier way to go about it? For me, my status at school would be "educational leave, not currently enrolled", requiring me to call up the lenders and see what they say.

Anyone else looked into this OR maybe some current/previous fellows could chime in?
 
Rocket3004 said:
If accepted to one of these programs, does anyone know the process to defer loans for those of you/us that have them? I talked to the fin-aid office at school here, and she made it seem like I would have to call up the lenders individually and ask for deferment/forebearance.

I imagine they would be willing to do so since it would be an educational leave, but is there some other way/easier way to go about it? For me, my status at school would be "educational leave, not currently enrolled", requiring me to call up the lenders and see what they say.

Anyone else looked into this OR maybe some current/previous fellows could chime in?
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I thought CRTP would work with you to figure this out. My school has some double-secret student status that allows me to be enrolled (without paying tuition) and not have to take a LOA (and therefore be a 5-year student, which looks bad during the Match). See if you can have something similar set up.
 
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RxnMan said:
I thought CRTP would work with you to figure this out. My school has some double-secret student status that allows me to be enrolled (without paying tuition) and not have to take a LOA (and therefore be a 5-year student, which looks bad during the Match). See if you can have something similar set up.
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Yeah, I assume the verious programs have something to ease the process, but I'm not sure.

Do you know the exact title of your super-secret status? I will have to ask, but I don't think we have anything like that, but who knows. People have been less than informative/helpful/resourceful at my school for things like this. Sometimes I want to pull my hair out. Like when I asked about deferrence from the FA office, at first, she was like, well you have 6mos not to pay, so you can wait till then, and once you enter the payment period (or whatever it's called), just call them up and see what they can do. In my head, I was like "Just do nothing until I start defulating on my loans, then beg them to give forebareance?? Right." Of coruse, I just noded along as she was saying this.

/end rant

Question though:

I'm not sure what you are getting at as far as avoiding being a 5 year student/looking bad. Wouldn't you be a 5 year student anyways with or without a LOA; I mean you are taking the year off? And apart from this loan nonsense, I would assume that a residency program would look at an app, look at the LOA and also look at the fact you did a Hughes/DD/whatever fellowship that same year without any confusion or explanation necessary (i.e. I took that LOA and am a 5 year student b/c I did the fellowship during my LOA)...
 
Rocket3004 said:
Question though:

I'm not sure what you are getting at as far as avoiding being a 5 year student/looking bad. Wouldn't you be a 5 year student anyways with or without a LOA; I mean you are taking the year off? And apart from this loan nonsense, I would assume that a residency program would look at an app, look at the LOA and also look at the fact you did a Hughes/DD/whatever fellowship that same year without any confusion or explanation necessary (i.e. I took that LOA and am a 5 year student b/c I did the fellowship during my LOA)...
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Rocket, I have to agree with you 100%. To think that being a 5yr students is bad in and of itself makes no sense. That would mean that someone who did a dual degree like MBA or MPH in a 5yr program is at a disadvantage compared to someone who did just med-school in 4yrs. Or take a MD/PhD and their 7-8yr program, they would be at an even worse disadvantage. I think Rxnman did not clarify enough what he meant. The reason why someone takes an extra year means a lot more than just why you take a year off. If you took 5yrs because you failed a year and had to remediate, that is very different than taking a year off to do a pathology fellowship or a research fellowship like HHMI/DD. There is nothing to worry about if you really are classified as a "5th year medical student" after doing a HHMI/DD. Just look at the research fellowships past fellows and what residencies they matched into. Nothing to worry about.

I have attached an interesting article that I found on medscape about taking a year off between medical school and residency. While not completely directed at those of us interested in doing a medical student research fellowship program, it offers some good advice. The 2nd article was put out by the DDCF program looking at the effectiveness of the medical student fellowships. Just in case you haven't read it before.
 

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Rocket3004 said:
...Do you know the exact title of your super-secret status?...
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I was being facetious about "super-secret" (think Animal House). I didn't mean to offend. I didn't elaborate about the student status because I posted about it elsewhere in this thread.

At least at my school, people take academic leave because of personal tragedies or academic remediation. I was told by my dean that if I took academic leave and 5 years to finish my degree, I would look (on ERAS) like a 5-year student, and a residency would consider it a red flag until proven otherwise. If I just decided to not enroll or something similar, this is considered "a break in my education," and ERAS would force me to explain it. Throw in the changes to loans, and you get why enrollment status is important.

My school has sent a small, steady stream of kids to these year-off programs, so they came up with a specific status for us (something like "independent study"). You take the time off, are considered a full-time student, but loans don't change, and no tuition is charged. In addition, on ERAS, it would show that I went through exactly 4 years of MD classes and that there was no break in my education, so I would be considered a US senior, the demographic that has the best chances in the Match.

Will residencies be able to see the dates? Yes. Is it some hand-waving? Sure. But the major mechanisms of sorting out "bad applicants" (LOA, breaks in education) are avoided.

From your post, it sounds like your financial aid office doesn't know what's going on. But remember, you're not unique - many other people have participated in these programs before (or taken time off to get an MPH or MS). So this problem has come up before and has been solved before. You just need to ask around. Start with your deans. Everyone has to ask for their permission before taking time off anyways, so your deans will have come across this problem before.

HarveyCushing said:
...I have attached an interesting article that I found on medscape about taking a year off between medical school and residency...
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Thanks for the articles, and I agree with the points in your post.
 
Rxnman, pretty sure that even if you take a year off for HHMI or DD you're still considered a US Senior.

I also doubt any programs are stupid enough to filter out all 5 year students without accounting for research fellows.

I also disagree with your assertion that leaves of absence are solely for personal or academic problems. Many schools have only one mechanism for taking leave and it can be for any number of reasons including research fellowship, additional degrees, etc... It's all a matter of semantics and administrative bureaucracy which you shouldn't get too caught up over.
 
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