DO's in academia???

[brotherbu]

I've seen all these threads that equate an MD to a DO. I've also seen threads where people prefer the DO because they think MD students are too snobby. First off, let me say I think the DO is a very respectable degree, so I am not trying to make any flamer points. Nevertheless in my experiences, I have never met a DO who works at a large academic medical institution. I never met one that practices and does considerable research. They may be out there, but i've worked at a number of institutions and never met them. This being said, is it really appropriate to say that an MD and DO are equal degrees?? Do you really have the same future opportunities available to you with each degree.?

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[Rachael07]

I've seen all these threads that equate an MD to a DO. I've also seen threads where people prefer the DO because they think MD students are too snobby. First off, let me say I think the DO is a very respectable degree, so I am not trying to make any flamer points. Nevertheless in my experiences, I have never met a DO who works at a large academic medical institution. I never met one that practices and does considerable research. They may be out there, but i've worked at a number of institutions and never met them. This being said, is it really appropriate to say that an MD and DO are equal degrees?? Do you really have the same future opportunities available to you with each degree.?

That all fine and dandy...but the reason that most people go into medicine is to care for others and be compassionate towards their patients. That said, research and large-scale hospitals are great, but becoming a DO allows someone to form relationships with their patient that a researcher MD could not necessairly do. Its a lot about preference, so don't hate on the DO's.

 

[laurenem]

I've seen all these threads that equate an MD to a DO. I've also seen threads where people prefer the DO because they think MD students are too snobby. First off, let me say I think the DO is a very respectable degree, so I am not trying to make any flamer points. Nevertheless in my experiences, I have never met a DO who works at a large academic medical institution. I never met one that practices and does considerable research. They may be out there, but i've worked at a number of institutions and never met them. This being said, is it really appropriate to say that an MD and DO are equal degrees?? Do you really have the same future opportunities available to you with each degree.?

There are obviously plenty of DO's who teach (otherwise how could we become DO's...). And I'm sure if you want, you could do research as well. You just don't see DO's in research very often because there aren't many DO's in the first place, and its a very small percentage of physicians (MD and DO) who go into research. (there are probably research opportunities studying the effects of OMM etc on top of regular old clinical research)

also, to comment on your "never meeting a DO at a large academic medical institution", that might be your geographic area. There are plenty of large hospitals that have DO's on site. But, DO's are in clusters around the country so you're probably not in an area with many of them around. I believe at PCOM, the students are thrown in with students from Temple during clinical years (I learned that in researching Temple actually..)

Edit: does someone from PCOM want to comment on that? I just remember seeing on Temples website they had a hospital in common, but I'm not sure (some of this stuff just blurs together sometimes )... is that correct?

 

[VALSALVA]

1. Most people do not go into medicine to care for others and to be compassionate. I would say "some", but not most. Seriously, if you really just wanted to care for others, why pick something that requires so much training?? Be a nurse or nun instead!

2. I know several DO's that practice in large medical centers and are active in research. DO's are no more and no less capable of doing scholarly research...period.

3. The degree (whether MD or DO) does not give one license to do research. Those degrees give one license to practice medicine. Both degrees confer a level of respect necessary for others to take your research seriously. How active one is in the research field is entirely related to personal preference...not the limits (or lack of) of a given degree.

4. There are DO dinguses. There are MD dinguses. Period. The perception that MD's are somehow less able to be commpassionate is bunk. If one cares to judge physicians, one must do so on an individual basis. Most of the most humane and caring physicians I've worked under have been MD's (including this month).

disclaimer: I'm a 4th year D.O. student

 

[brotherbu]

That all fine and dandy...but the reason that most people go into medicine is to care for others and be compassionate towards their patients. That said, research and large-scale hospitals are great, but becoming a DO allows someone to form relationships with their patient that a researcher MD could not necessairly do. Its a lot about preference, so don't hate on the DO's.

Again, like i indicated on my original post, i'm not trying to "hate" on DO's. I directly said that I feel it is a very respectable degree. My only question was in regards to if you can equate the two degrees (MD and DO), like many try to do. I'm not even trying to say you can't (maybe there are DO's in academia i don't know about), i'm only trying to state concern as to whether you have the same amount of career opportunities if you get the DO, as opposed to the MD. With an MD, you can graduate with the flexibility to decide what type of patient interaction you want to have, and what decide else you may want to pursue to advance medicine. I hope you can do the same with a DO, but I haven't met any in DO's in academia, raising my concern.

You also make it sound like MD's are not compassionate, or rather not as compassionate as DO's (at least in academia). I'm sure you are trained to be a compassionate physician as a DO, but I don't think you can make the assumption that the academic physician does not have the sincere care of his/her patients in mind when they take on their career.

 

[brotherbu]

also, to comment on your "never meeting a DO at a large academic medical institution", that might be your geographic area. There are plenty of large hospitals that have DO's on site. But, DO's are in clusters around the country so you're probably not in an area with many of them around. I believe at PCOM, the students are thrown in with students from Temple during clinical years (I learned that in researching Temple actually..)

This is good to hear.

 

[group_theory]

There are DOs on faculty at Temple, Jefferson, Penn, Drexel, and CHOP. There are DOs on faculty at Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, and even Yale-New Haven.

DOs in MD Academia are out there ... but you have to search for them. Will you find one at every place? No. And I would surmise that percentage wise, there are fewer DOs in MD Academia than the standard ratio of total DOs to total MDs. Several reasons for this conclusion:

1. Most DO schools are not located at major research centers where NIH grants come in boatloads. As a consequence, fewer exposure to clinicians who are purely academic/research focused and also fewer mentors.

2. A higher percentage of DOs go into primary care compare to their MD counterpart (less likely do go into academia/research)

3. Training at a major research university is important if you want to be on faculty at a major university. Not an absolute requirement but helps if you want to break into the world of academia.

4. Academia, while more prestigious, pays a whole lot less than private practice. A 2003 survey shows that an academic primary care physician makes around $131,926, compare to $153,231 for a private practice primary care physician. For academic specialists, it's $175,000 compare to $274,639 for private practice.

* Data from Medical Group Management Association Compensation and Production Survey. For private practice physician, earnings are gross revenue minus overhead. For academic physician, earnings are straight salary plus bonuses (where applicable). Benefits are not included in the data.

As a DO, can you go into academia. Yes. It's not prohibited. You'll be a rarer breed, but it's possible. And if you're located near a major DO school (CCOM, NYCOM, PCOM, UMNJD, etc) - it won't turn as many heads as you might think.

Also a word of caution to the original poster ... if you plan on going into academia, don't rush to generalization based on observation alone (e.g., I have yet to see a DO in academia, therefore there must not be any DOs in academia)

 

[group_theory]

I believe at PCOM, the students are thrown in with students from Temple during clinical years (I learned that in researching Temple actually..)

Edit: does someone from PCOM want to comment on that? I just remember seeing on Temples website they had a hospital in common, but I'm not sure (some of this stuff just blurs together sometimes )... is that correct?

Yup, there are a lot of overlap in clinical rotation sites between PCOM and the MD medical schools. I've rotated with Jefferson, Drexel, Temple, Penn, and Penn State students during my 3rd year.

 

[brotherbu]

There are DOs on faculty at Temple, Jefferson, Penn, Drexel, and CHOP. There are DOs on faculty at Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, and even Yale-New Haven.

DOs in MD Academia are out there ... but you have to search for them. Will you find one at every place? No. And I would surmise that percentage wise, there are fewer DOs in MD Academia than the standard ratio of total DOs to total MDs. Several reasons for this conclusion:

1. Most DO schools are not located at major research centers where NIH grants come in boatloads. As a consequence, fewer exposure to clinicians who are purely academic/research focused and also fewer mentors.

2. A higher percentage of DOs go into primary care compare to their MD counterpart (less likely do go into academia/research)

3. Training at a major research university is important if you want to be on faculty at a major university. Not an absolute requirement but helps if you want to break into the world of academia.

4. Academia, while more prestigious, pays a whole lot less than private practice. A 2003 survey shows that an academic primary care physician makes around $131,926, compare to $153,231 for a private practice primary care physician. For academic specialists, it's $175,000 compare to $274,639 for private practice.

* Data from Medical Group Management Association Compensation and Production Survey. For private practice physician, earnings are gross revenue minus overhead. For academic physician, earnings are straight salary plus bonuses (where applicable). Benefits are not included in the data.

As a DO, can you go into academia. Yes. It's not prohibited. You'll be a rarer breed, but it's possible. And if you're located near a major DO school (CCOM, NYCOM, PCOM, UMNJD, etc) - it won't turn as many heads as you might think.

Also a word of caution to the original poster ... if you plan on going into academia, don't rush to generalization based on observation alone (e.g., I have yet to see a DO in academia, therefore there must not be any DOs in academia)

These are very good points.

In terms of your words of caution to me, reread my posts and don't throw in words I did not state! I have been saying that I although I have not met DO's in academia, there may be some. In another post, I said that I hope there are some. I never stated in my posts that "I have yet to see a DO in academia, therefore there must not be any DOs in academia". Its offensive to play with and change my words and make it sound like I'm saying something that I really am not! Thats my word of caution to you.

 

[mshheaddoc]

I've seen all these threads that equate an MD to a DO. I've also seen threads where people prefer the DO because they think MD students are too snobby. First off, let me say I think the DO is a very respectable degree, so I am not trying to make any flamer points. Nevertheless in my experiences, I have never met a DO who works at a large academic medical institution. I never met one that practices and does considerable research. They may be out there, but i've worked at a number of institutions and never met them. This being said, is it really appropriate to say that an MD and DO are equal degrees?? Do you really have the same future opportunities available to you with each degree.?

You also might not see many because many do practice in underserved and rural areas. Just to note that the philosophy works well in these areas. There are many high profile DO's if you look around at major medical institutions. Not all doctors do research. And since the proportion of doctors MD to DO mostly MD's then that might be why you don't see DO's everywhere.

 

[scpod]

I never stated in my posts that "I have yet to see a DO in academia, therefore there must not be any DOs in academia".

No, they weren't your exact words, nor did anybody say that they were your words. However, a reasonable person might assume that is your position based on the words that you did use. How many "large academic medical institutions" have you really been to and met the entire research staff? Unless it's a couple of hundred, then the statement you made about "...never [meeting] a DO..." at one is reckless, irresponsible, and inflamatory.

Its offensive to play with and change my words and make it sound like I'm saying something that I really am not!

Your original post could easily be taken as offensive in itself. Your overreaction to group_theory's post shows that you need to grow some thicker skin. If you are easily "offended" then maybe medicine is not the right thing for you.

 

[Jamers]

I've seen all these threads that equate an MD to a DO. I've also seen threads where people prefer the DO because they think MD students are too snobby. First off, let me say I think the DO is a very respectable degree, so I am not trying to make any flamer points. Nevertheless in my experiences, I have never met a DO who works at a large academic medical institution. I never met one that practices and does considerable research. They may be out there, but i've worked at a number of institutions and never met them. This being said, is it really appropriate to say that an MD and DO are equal degrees?? Do you really have the same future opportunities available to you with each degree.?

Have you actually got off your own ass, put down your doughnut, set aside the beer, stopped playing with the star wars figures, switched the webpage from Porn to Google and honestly looked for DO's in those fields? No, instead you come on here and bash the field because you are one lazy ****. You just want the answers to come to you like magic. Well, here is the magic: there are far less DOs than MDs (around 55,000 DOs, which will double in the next ten years or so). I don't care where you have been and how many places you have worked at, the odds are not in your favor. In addition, you would also have to meet a DO that is so far up-their-ass they would tell you, "I am DO, hear me roar." Yes, the degrees are the same and the same opportunities exist for both. You just need to apply yourself. Forgive me if I came off as a bit rude but I am sick of seeing these threads. In fact, I think I would like to see more "I hate my school," threads than these. The fact is, the majority of the **** we face is from pre-medical forums and not from professionals in our fields. Anyways, I just received an email from the house of pancakes and it says, "**** waffles."

 

[mshheaddoc]

Come on guys, lets not make this a flame war.

 

[AngryBaby]

Come on guys, lets not make this a flame war.

Beavis: "fire, fire!!"

 

[Jamers]

Come on guys, lets not make this a flame war.

I can't help it, who starts off a thread with, "I have never seen..." Well, I have never seen a tap-dancing elephant wearing a skirt, but I would not be so full of myself to state that they must not exist because they didn't announce themselves to me. People need to do research before they make bold sweeping statments such as that one. Anyways, what is to say the OP is not trolling? Blah.

 

[mshheaddoc]

I can't help it, who starts off a thread with, "I have never seen..." Well, I have never seen a tap-dancing elephant wearing a skirt, but I would not be so full of myself to state that they must not exist because they didn't announce themselves to me. People need to do research before they make bold sweeping statments such as that one. Anyways, what is to say the OP is not trolling? Blah.

I agree, but you know not to stupe down to that level too

 

[Jamers]

I agree, but you know not to stupe down to that level too

I like stooping, its good for the back...or did I get the wrong. Now I really wanna see a skirt wearing tap-dancing elephant

 

[Bluemirage]

I've seen all these threads that equate an MD to a DO. I've also seen threads where people prefer the DO because they think MD students are too snobby. First off, let me say I think the DO is a very respectable degree, so I am not trying to make any flamer points. Nevertheless in my experiences, I have never met a DO who works at a large academic medical institution. I never met one that practices and does considerable research. They may be out there, but i've worked at a number of institutions and never met them. This being said, is it really appropriate to say that an MD and DO are equal degrees?? Do you really have the same future opportunities available to you with each degree.?

Jamers does have a point, even though he was probably alittle too emotional in his response. Type in "DO (insert specialty) faculty" and you will literally see hundreds of DO academia faculty members at many MD institutions. There are even DO's teaching in fields where they are traditionally thought of as "off limits" eg Dr. Stephen Fletcher Chief Pediatric Neurosurgery at MD Anderson/ UT-Houston. The future opportunities are what you make out of each degree, whether it be MD or DO. I know plenty of MD students who didn't apply themselves, barely passed boards and had to settle for mediocre residency programs in fields that were not their first choices.

 

[mshheaddoc]

Sorry, the tap dancers are on vacation.

 

[laurenem]

wow guys... a little sensitive here..? I think he asked a legit question. I know I decided to go for med school (as opposed to PA) b/c it does open up opportunities in a lot of fields. Give the guy a break.. he's trying to do his research by asking here and I don't think he was intentionally bashing the DO degree. Part of the fun of being a DO is teaching people what the DO behind the name actually means...

 

[scpod]

Sorry, the tap dancers are on vacation.

Damn, Jamers! They do exist!

 

[mjc48]

neither an md or do in and of itself is enough to garner the respect in the academic community to perform nih funded basic science research. to do so without a ph.d would require an extended post-doc or fellowship position which would serve as credentials in lieu of graduate study.

there are do's that perform clinical research at academic medical facilities, and i doubt there is much bias between the medical degrees for study participation. in terms of preferential funding, both degrees are inferior to a ph.d for basic science research so the bias and limitations that you're inquiring about are probably non-existent.

 

[Soccer885]

wow guys... a little sensitive here..? I think he asked a legit question. I know I decided to go for med school (as opposed to PA) b/c it does open up opportunities in a lot of fields. Give the guy a break.. he's trying to do his research by asking here and I don't think he was intentionally bashing the DO degree. Part of the fun of being a DO is teaching people what the DO behind the name actually means...

He should have asked in a better way instead it came off as a bash.

 

[Pewl]

Heh, the fact that there is so much tension shows that at least one side has some sort of deep-seated inferiority complex. =P

 

[Soccer885]

To answer the OP question: DO's have the same opportunities as MD's you just might have to work harder as a DO or prove yourself in order to get those opportunities. Nothing is to say a DO can't teach at a large institution. The DO I shadowed is part of the staff at USF (University of South Florida) Medical school (for MD) in Tampa and on staff at Nova. He is also a staff member of a trama 1 hospital, the largest one in Tampa. And he is the only DO i have met, so if i used your same logic then i guess all DO's teach and are on staff at major hospital's...

 

[Faraaz23]

brotherbu, looking from your previous threads, you are either not even in medical school yet or at best an M1 from what I can tell. Your research experience likely keeps you confined to certain areas of the hospital. How many attendings have you met at each of these places? No offense, but your statements of "I have worked at different places and have not met a DO yet" means nothing.

Out of all the physicians in this country, DO's make up about 5-6%. Now what percentage of MD's do academic vs. non-academic? Its a VERY low percentage. If you apply that same proportion to the DO population, you're going to come up with a smaller number obviously of DO's practicing in the academic world. I see you're in Chicago... so I actually wasted my study break right now and looked up physicians at U of C, Rush, and Loyola... and they all have DO's... even in competitive fields such as orthopedics and cardiology. Northwestern Memorial's Physician Finder was down, but I'm sure if you look it up later you'll find some DO's as well.

When it comes to getting hired for an academic position, they look for the quality of your residency/fellowship programs, recs, previous research, and teaching ability. Academic centers want their docs bringing in reserach grants, publishing, and producing revenue. There's no room in there for them to worry whether the person is an MD, DO, or MBBS. How do I know? My sister is an attending at a major academic institution.

And why are you posing this question in the pre-DO forums? Why don't you post this in the medical student and residency forums where people actually have exposure to academic centers.

 

[Faraaz23]

Heh, the fact that there is so much tension shows that at least one side has some sort of deep-seated inferiority complex. =P

Nope, its just when some pre-med comes on here and tells us we are inferior with no real evidence to back it up, we are going to respond.

If someone punched you in the face, are you just going to stand there like a little biatch?

On the same token, if you saw a Wash U med student who told you your SLU degree is going to be inferior to theirs?

Troll.

 

[brotherbu]

Wow....i never intended this to be a flame thread by any means...i did ask a legitimate question, and too many people took it the wrong way. I have explicitly stated in every post i wrote in that i greatly respect the DO degree. I don't know what else to do to make you think i'm not trolling!!!! Nonetheless, most people around here are getting offended very very easily. And yes, I do get offended when people take my own words intending to be something I don't mean to say. I don't know how telling you guys over and over again that I respect your degree makes me show that I am thinking of you in an inferior manner.

To be more elaborate with my request, I'll state what I know. I've done research fellowships at many places (Mount Sinai, Mayo Clinic, Sloan Kettering, UIC, NIH). I've had a lot of great physician-scientist mentors who've told me a great many things. One thing I've learnt from them is what many of you say, a degree does not give you explicit rights to do research. Your success in research comes down to your publication history. Nonetheless, almost everyone I talked to said that an MD has its advantages of a straight PhD in research because many grant giving institutions (eg. NIH) greatly value the medical expertise that the physician-investigator has. Therefore, funding is more available to physician-scientists. By that logic, a DO should be able to get the same privileges for funding. Many of the research collaborators from my boesses have had MD's, but I never met one that had a DO. The NIH provides a lot of support for physician-scientist growth for MD institutions (eg - MD/PhD Medical Scientist Training Programs), but I am not aware of government funded DO/PhD programs that tailor interests specifically toward biomedical research (I know there are some DO/PhD programs, but not i am not acquainted with one that is federally funded). That begs the question, that I explicitly have, as to whether grant-giving institutions like the NIH have a significant record of advantageous funding to osteopathic physician scientists (as MD physician scientist are generally able to get funding more easily than PhD scientists).

I know that just because I haven't heard about these programs doesn't necessarily mean that they don't actually exist. THATS WHY I CAME HERE. I've said that over and over again, but people are making the assumption that I don't think they exist. I'm guessing this forum has had much trolling in the past, and that is why i'm getting what i'm getting. I'm not here to troll, only to get enlightened. Thanks for those who gave me some good input. Sorry for those who apparently have become embittered after a trolling war that must have been going on in this forum for a long time. If anyone can further answer my concern, I'll be appreciative for you having helped me.

 

[mshheaddoc]

As I stated previously, ostepathic research isn't as big as MD research. Although some of the collaborators at those hospitals might be DO's, there are more MDs out there so naturally there are more MD researchers. There are some osteopathic institutions that have NIH grants, I know TCOM, OUCOM are big on research. I am personally working at an osteopathic school that has NIH funding as well. I'm sure other schools are as well as the DO/PhD is a growing in the osteopathic community. But its nowhere near the magnitude as UPenn or Columbia.

Many DO's previously through history were just in primary care serving underserved populations, therefore, research wasn't a priority. But that is changing ...

 

[Orthodoc40]

also, to comment on your "never meeting a DO at a large academic medical institution", that might be your geographic area. There are plenty of large hospitals that have DO's on site. But, DO's are in clusters around the country so you're probably not in an area with many of them around.

Well there are none at any of the Boston hospitals. I wish there were, though!

 

[Jamers]

Heh, the fact that there is so much tension shows that at least one side has some sort of deep-seated inferiority complex. =P

Naw, I just like to **** with people if you haven't noticed. But, maybe my penis is too small...hmmm...wait, what?

 

[Jamers]

Damn, Jamers! They do exist!

Now if you could just make that move around I would be entertained for hours...I'm like a cat with a ball of yarn.....oo

 

[scpod]

Well there are none at any of the Boston hospitals. I wish there were, though!

Try Michael Jaff, DO on the surgery service at Mass General.

 

[DOnut]

Well there are none at any of the Boston hospitals. I wish there were, though!

Your wish is my command!!!

http://www.childrenshospital.org/cfapps/research/data_admin/Site274/mainpageS274P0.html

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

I've seen all these threads that equate an MD to a DO. I've also seen threads where people prefer the DO because they think MD students are too snobby. First off, let me say I think the DO is a very respectable degree, so I am not trying to make any flamer points. Nevertheless in my experiences, I have never met a DO who works at a large academic medical institution. I never met one that practices and does considerable research. They may be out there, but i've worked at a number of institutions and never met them. This being said, is it really appropriate to say that an MD and DO are equal degrees?? Do you really have the same future opportunities available to you with each degree.?

welp. Im a second year DO student, I have a masters, and Im applying to PhD programs.

You will see my name in academia.

 

[Soccer885]

welp. Im a second year DO student, I have a masters, and Im applying to PhD programs.

You will see my name in academia.

Good for you, prove everyone wrong! Good luck!

 

[Orthodoc40]

Try Michael Jaff, DO on the surgery service at Mass General.

What? Wait... I work there & did a search before posting...
Well, that's very cool - thanks!

 

[Orthodoc40]

Your wish is my command!!!

http://www.childrenshospital.org/cfapps/research/data_admin/Site274/mainpageS274P0.html

Man! I did a search there, too! Guess I'm not too polished on the searches or somethin'....
Anyway thanks!


Still - all in all - 2 DO's in a pretty large academic hospital setting is hardly a very noticeable presence! But it's a start!

 

[MedGrl@2022]

I've seen all these threads that equate an MD to a DO. I've also seen threads where people prefer the DO because they think MD students are too snobby. First off, let me say I think the DO is a very respectable degree, so I am not trying to make any flamer points. Nevertheless in my experiences, I have never met a DO who works at a large academic medical institution. I never met one that practices and does considerable research. They may be out there, but i've worked at a number of institutions and never met them. This being said, is it really appropriate to say that an MD and DO are equal degrees?? Do you really have the same future opportunities available to you with each degree.?

I don't know everything.... but I was only looking at MD for a very long time... and I did a summer medical program at Yale and they were sort of very pro-MD all the way... giving us a very bias view toward MD and sort of against DO. But this summer I was researching with a DO who is a well-known physician and he is one of the most amazing people I met. I also met a few more DOs and heard what DO is all about. This summer has completely changed my mind I am 100% wanting to be a DO. UNECOM is my first choice. I think I would only do MD if I got into UConn because I am a resident of Connecticut so it would be less expensive. But I think DOs have many more options than MDs even though their school is way more expensive. I am hoping to get a scholarship through the US health core to help me pay for it.

 

[OSUdoc08]

I've seen all these threads that equate an MD to a DO. I've also seen threads where people prefer the DO because they think MD students are too snobby. First off, let me say I think the DO is a very respectable degree, so I am not trying to make any flamer points. Nevertheless in my experiences, I have never met a DO who works at a large academic medical institution. I never met one that practices and does considerable research. They may be out there, but i've worked at a number of institutions and never met them. This being said, is it really appropriate to say that an MD and DO are equal degrees?? Do you really have the same future opportunities available to you with each degree.?

Name a large academic medical instution which does not have a DO on staff please.

Non exist in my area.

P.S. If you want to go into research, get a Ph.D.

P.S.S. They offer a dual Ph.D./D.O. degree at my school and many others, anyway.

 

[DrQuinn]

I recently finished residency, and am now faculty at the Georgetown University / Washington Hospital Center's Emergency Medicine Residency.

I'm alive, and a DO! (NSUCOM alum)

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[Dr JPH]

I've seen all these threads that equate an MD to a DO. I've also seen threads where people prefer the DO because they think MD students are too snobby.

Interesting. Never heard that.

First off, let me say I think the DO is a very respectable degree, so I am not trying to make any flamer points.

Glad we have your support.

Nevertheless in my experiences, I have never met a DO who works at a large academic medical institution.

You dont have much experience I take it.

I never met one that practices and does considerable research.

I never met any MDs that practice and do considerable research. Or maybe I did and just dont KNOW they do considerable research.

They may be out there, but i've worked at a number of institutions and never met them.

Ive never met a baby squirrel.

This being said, is it really appropriate to say that an MD and DO are equal degrees??

Not at all. DO > MD

Do you really have the same future opportunities available to you with each degree.?

Absolutely.

 

[Dr JPH]

I recently finished residency, and am now faculty at the Georgetown University / Washington Hospital Center's Emergency Medicine Residency.

I'm alive, and a DO! (NSUCOM alum)

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Quinn!

How the hell are ya?!

 

[DrQuinn]

Quinn!

How the hell are ya?!

What's up. Don't peruse the preDO or DO forums often, kinda stay in the EM forums, nice and cozy in there. Hope all is well with you. Enjoying the new job and teaching, plus the paychecks are nice!
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