DOs to be on Discovery Channel- may29 -8pm

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Most of the people on the show are attendings... but they show a lot of the residents.
 
I saw this show last night. It was really really good. I thought it was interesting how that guy has a heart attack in the ED and basically died and they brought him back to life. It's very sobering seeing someone die and be brought back to life.
 
ryserr21 said:
i THINK...THINK...i saw the letters DO on a white coat....maybe. they tried to hide it by placing the stethoscope over it, but i figured out their camouflage tactics.

p.s. i'm only half way through the first episode.
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This would be a perfect opportunity for the AOA to promote D.O.'s and show recognition to the initials that everyone has in disdain but no, the opening credits show ,Dr. John Zambito - Emergency Physician, Not Dr. John Zambito, D.O. - Emergency Physician. Want to bet if he was a M.D. it would have been shown with his name in the title from the beginning.
 
natsayshi said:
This would be a perfect opportunity for the AOA to promote D.O.’s and show recognition to the initials that everyone has in disdain but no, the opening credits show ,Dr. John Zambito - Emergency Physician, Not Dr. John Zambito, D.O. - Emergency Physician. Want to bet if he was a M.D. it would have been shown with his name in the title from the beginning.
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Agreed, I was a bit disappointed in that as well.
 
natsayshi said:
This would be a perfect opportunity for the AOA to promote D.O.’s and show recognition to the initials that everyone has in disdain but no, the opening credits show ,Dr. John Zambito - Emergency Physician, Not Dr. John Zambito, D.O. - Emergency Physician. Want to bet if he was a M.D. it would have been shown with his name in the title from the beginning.
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I don't think they were hiding the D.O. on purpose.
 
I think they were, and I think we should get a group together and find the discovery channel studio and burn the building to the ground.
 
Saregamapadanis said:
I don't think they were hiding the D.O. on purpose.
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Same. It's almost like they are just physicians trying to do their jobs. However, we (pre meds) all know they are ashamed of their medical degree and are trying to hide it on national television JUST to spite pre-DOs. I'm 99% sure that, on an average day, a doctor is so damn busy they don't think for a millisecond about what their white coat says. It wasn't done to avoid the DO topic or because they didn't want to explain what a DO was. It was just a show filming doctors at a hospital. No need to explain, or make a presentation about it, that isn't what the show is about.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
I think they were, and I think we should get a group together and find the discovery channel studio and burn the building to the ground.
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LMAO :meanie:

I thought it was an interesting program(s). I caught the credential glimpse from time to time, too. I also think (to put it extremely simplistically) that a physician is a physician so why draw unneeded attention to letters.

I was particularly interested in the interventional radiologist that made a few cameos. My pal is a radiologist (allo) in the same field. 👍

Sometimes I sure feel trapped when it comes to trying to define all of this... I also don't know who to blame, the AOA with their near-sighted campaign (or maybe WE'RE all short-sighted and impatient?) or all the rest of us for perpetuating the fight. Its also hard to just sit back and do nothing when under fire. It's really a tough position to be in, at least from a pre-med perspective. Of course, I sure didn't see any of those docs debating the trivial DO/MD bull**** when it comes to medicine. So I wholeheartedly agree with JaggerPlates last two sentences in the previous post.

I guess we're all fighters and not necessarily born with a silver spoon in-mouth (i.e. lack of nepotism) or ideal life circumstances.
 
JaggerPlate said:
Same. It's almost like they are just physicians trying to do their jobs. However, we (pre meds) all know they are ashamed of their medical degree and are trying to hide it on national television JUST to spite pre-DOs. I'm 99% sure that, on an average day, a doctor is so damn busy they don't think for a millisecond about what their white coat says. It wasn't done to avoid the DO topic or because they didn't want to explain what a DO was. It was just a show filming doctors at a hospital. No need to explain, or make a presentation about it, that isn't what the show is about.
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You’re missing my point. With the A.O.A wanting to promote awareness of D.O.’s, this would have been great opportunity to provide a conduit to the public on our degree. People know what a M.D. is and showing D.O. after the doctor’s name might have sparked an interest in people asking what does the D.O. mean? I’ll be an OMS III in a few weeks. I’m quite cognizant of what the show is trying to convey and that it's not trying to spite us D.O.’s.
 
I love emergency medicine, but the amount of injured children might just keep me out of it...I really get choked up when kids come in
 
Oh, and BTW- I hate that computer graphics crap they do!

Other than that, I like the show. I've been waiting for something like "Trauma:Life in the ER" to come back...I miss that show
 
I've got to admit, I've gotten pretty numb to the stuff I see in the ER. We get trauma transfers from all over TX, and I've seen all kinds of nasty ****, over and over. Last night, we got a pretty grusome open tib-fib, and the nurses were telling me to go check it out. This is the kind of thing that I would have stared at for as long as I could when I first started. But this one, I took a quick look at, thought "meh", and went off to do something else.
 
I enjoyed watching it. It did seem like they tried to hide the DO. The only reason I noticed it on some of the lab coats is because I was specifically looking for it, the average person wouldn't be.

Still though, it really isn't the easiest thing to explain to people who don't know about them at first. They can't go devote 20 minutes of a TV show to the background of osteopathic medicine.
 
that story about the guy who bit off his gf ear then fell off the roof of the building....ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
engineeredout said:
The only reason I noticed it on some of the lab coats is because I was specifically looking for it, the average person wouldn't be.
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Same as the average patient I'd venture...
 
well in the e.r...the last thing a patient would be concerned with are the letters behind your name
 
TexasTriathlete said:
I've got to admit, I've gotten pretty numb to the stuff I see in the ER. We get trauma transfers from all over TX, and I've seen all kinds of nasty ****, over and over. Last night, we got a pretty grusome open tib-fib, and the nurses were telling me to go check it out. This is the kind of thing that I would have stared at for as long as I could when I first started. But this one, I took a quick look at, thought "meh", and went off to do something else.
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I have spent lots of time in a Level I trauma center, and am pretty numb to quite a lot, but the kids stuff still gets to me sometimes.
 
Character said:
that story about the guy who bit off his gf ear then fell off the roof of the building....ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh damn, is that what happened? I was flipping back and forth and must have missed the Mike Tyson part.

"Hey, what's going on? You hear that?" - 1000 meaningless posts! HAHA!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgtPRcqKNBo[/YOUTUBE]
 
The ER Toxicologist had his ears stretched pretty big, I'd say a 0 gauge or maybe 00. 👍

I love seeing that because I have stretched ears (although not that big) and plans for tattoos that would be pretty visible..probably going to have to wait till after med school though
 
Doc Henry said:
The ER Toxicologist had his ears stretched pretty big, I'd say a 0 gauge or maybe 00. 👍

I love seeing that because I have stretched ears (although not that big) and plans for tattoos that would be pretty visible..probably going to have to wait till after med school though
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That sounds smart - stretched lobes and visible ink. I'm no conformist but I prefer less visible means of rebellion, ones that couldn't possibly impact my career. I, for one, questioned the profession/intelligence of that guy when i first saw him on the show. I thought "maybe a mid-level provider". :meanie: I don't put people in boxes normally but I was watching for all details on that program for obvious reasons. To each his own but I want my patients to trust my judgment and unfortunately, part of that is based on first impressions.

What I AM gonna do is vote for Hussein Obama and have some bolts tatooed on each side of my neck before I start clinicals - or maybe before I start residency. 👍
 
gasapple said:
Oh damn, is that what happened? I was flipping back and forth and must have missed the Mike Tyson part.

"Hey, what's going on? You hear that?" - 1000 meaningless posts! HAHA!

[youtube]EgtPRcqKNBo[/youtube]
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i love this movie. opening scene was the best.
 
For old times sake...

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXLVGarpTzc[/YOUTUBE]
 
👍 I hadn't seen it in forever... thanks for the reminder! 👍
 
gasapple said:
That sounds smart - stretched lobes and visible ink. I'm no conformist but I prefer less visible means of rebellion, ones that couldn't possibly impact my career. I, for one, questioned the profession/intelligence of that guy when i first saw him on the show. I thought "maybe a mid-level provider". :meanie: I don't put people in boxes normally but I was watching for all details on that program for obvious reasons. To each his own but I want my patients to trust my judgment and unfortunately, part of that is based on first impressions.

What I AM gonna do is vote for Hussein Obama and have some bolts tatooed on each side of my neck before I start clinicals - or maybe before I start residency. 👍
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And that is the problem
 
The shows were very good and they had interesting cases. I hope they make more episodes. The one case that amazed me was the guy who had his face slashed 😱. Yeah, I looked for the DO stuff too and it was there. For those of you who think they were deliberately hiding the DO initials are stupid. For God's sake, they are working in a level 1 trauma center, the last thing they are going to do is hide initials. A ton of docs wear their steths around their necks, so if you think they were used to hide DO, you are very naive. You people need to grow up, stop being so paranoid and trying to find conspiracy theories. That show, along with every other medical show on the face of the earth, that patients don't care what initials you have after your name, just the abbreviation before it. All they want is a doctor, that's it.
 
Doc Henry said:
And that is the problem
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says girl with stretchy ear lobes

Look, you can't just pull one comment out of context (there's a smiley) and no need to be defensive. I thoroughly explained my stance. I've no problem with visible ink and intentionally-deformed body parts. I have marks myself. However, I would not exaggerate such symbols going into medicine as a physician for the reason I mentioned previously (patients) as well as the fact that my future colleagues/attendings/hospital admin might have issues with my appearance. Sure, you can say my skills and personality will overcome and those people are narrow but I'd rather not start off with a strike against me right out of the gates. That's all. I don't think everyone should be clones but professionality is important to a majority in the field.

I've always been one to do what I want, when I want thanks to my former career choices but I'm not going to push that mentality in medical school or in medicine. I plan on humbly doing what I'm told in order to learn what I need to learn. I guess that makes me a conformist at least as far as medicine goes... that's OK by me.

No offense to you personally. Just my perspective on the subject.

Vote Hussein Obama, vote for CHANGE - what that entails exactly, no one knows.
 
nascardoc said:
You people need to grow up, stop being so paranoid and trying to find conspiracy theories.
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Don't forget "oh mighty MSII" that there are people other than confused 25-yr-old pre-meds around here... 😎
 
gasapple said:
Don't forget "oh mighty MSII" that there are people other than confused 25-yr-old pre-meds around here... 😎
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Allow me to recant and submit a correction: "oh mighty MS 1.5" :meanie:👍

But you're right generally speaking - I think we are on the same page with regard to all this malarkey anyway.
 
natsayshi said:
This would be a perfect opportunity for the AOA to promote D.O.’s and show recognition to the initials that everyone has in disdain but no, the opening credits show ,Dr. John Zambito - Emergency Physician, Not Dr. John Zambito, D.O. - Emergency Physician. Want to bet if he was a M.D. it would have been shown with his name in the title from the beginning.
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Yeah, the should paint giant D.O. on their white coats to emphasize that they are DOs.
 
natsayshi said:
You’re missing my point. With the A.O.A wanting to promote awareness of D.O.’s, this would have been great opportunity to provide a conduit to the public on our degree. People know what a M.D. is and showing D.O. after the doctor’s name might have sparked an interest in people asking what does the D.O. mean? I’ll be an OMS III in a few weeks. I’m quite cognizant of what the show is trying to convey and that it's not trying to spite us D.O.’s.
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Nope. Trust me, I understand the issue at hand, and love any time when DOs are highlighted for being osteopathic physicians. However, my point, which I believe has been made by others already, is that these people are attendings and residents working in an ER at a level I trauma center, not ambassadors of the AOA. It's really not their job to advertise osteopathic medicine, it's their job to run that ER ... which is what they did/what the show is about. No one is hiding the DO issue ... it just isn't an issue. If the Discovery channel really wanted to sweep the issue under the rug, they would have shot at a hospital where 90% of the docs weren't DOs. The issue wasn't brought up over discussed because it's not an issue when you're actually a practicing physician. These men/women are just doctors practicing medicine, DO=MD (remember), so the show portrayed doctors practicing medicine.
 
good show. I like that Dr. Applebomb and that female attending. You can see just how genuine they are considering totality of care including family members.

I liked the show. You guys should checkout the ER residency website for the hospital. They had an attending, Dr. Shetty, who has both an MD and DO. 😱 http://www.pnwu.org/ashwin_shetty.aspx
 
He probably did the DO to MD program so he could get some respect.
 
he got his MD (or MBBS) fromm India then got his DO in US.
 
You know, I watched this program (PBS Frontline) on global healthcare a few weeks ago. The narrator traveled to numerous countries and examined their healthcare systems and paralleled the similarities and differences with that of the US. It was very interesting and contrary to popular belief, we've got a mosaic of the best characteristics (and some poor characteristics that come along with) of other countries. Anyway, I noticed that every physician that was interviewed around the globe was referred to as "MD" (<name>, MD) when in actuality, this would not be the case. Is it just an easy/lazy way of going about labeling people as physicians, even globally?
 
stmclovin said:
he got his MD (or MBBS) fromm India then got his DO in US.
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Yes that seems to be the case. Nycom has a fast track program for those who are already physicians in other countries. So technically, you are an MD and a DO if you do an MD in a foreign country but in order to practice in USA , you got a DO.

However, M.B.B.S is not equivalent to MD in India. M.B.B.S is a bachelor's degree in medicine in India, and people start the M.B.B.S after high school, not undergrad . Also, An MBBS doctor is only a general practioner. In order to apply for a MD program in India, the person needs have a MBBS (Five years medical school) as a pre-requisite, then they are allowed to apply to a MD program which allows them to specialize in things like emergency medicine, so on and so forth. Also, I heard that getting into MBBS is very hard, and getting accepted to an MD program is even harder.
 
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Actually, after completing an MBBS in the British system which India still has, one becomes a house officer equivalent to a resident here. One then can further specialize and become a fellow( categorical resident). An MD is purely a research degree bestowed for high achievement like a PHD. If one has and MBBS an completes fellowship training, they can practice any area of medicine or surgery.
 
natsayshi said:
You’re missing my point. With the A.O.A wanting to promote awareness of D.O.’s, this would have been great opportunity to provide a conduit to the public on our degree. People know what a M.D. is and showing D.O. after the doctor’s name might have sparked an interest in people asking what does the D.O. mean? I’ll be an OMS III in a few weeks. I’m quite cognizant of what the show is trying to convey and that it's not trying to spite us D.O.’s.
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Why would you think that the AOA, or any other organization for that matter, has any say in a TV show produced by a non-affiliated commercial entity who have their own PRODUCERS (you know, those people who produce the show)?

Now don't get me wrong... I think the AOA could be doing a lot to promote knowledge of the degree. However you can't assume that anytime a DO is featured somewhere that the AOA can jump on it and force the producers of that content to insert a schpiel on what a DO is.
 
Pansit said:
It was also featured on Fox News with that really hot anchor...plus they got a DO interview in there..lol

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z5LxbmqNaV8
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OMG!!!!!!!!! HE DIDN'T MENTION OSTEOPATHIC MEDICINE ORRR RIGHT DO ACROSS HIS FOREHEAD IN LIPSTICK FOR THE INTERVIEW!!! Traitor to his own cause ... someone is going to get a FIREYY email tonight. :meanie:

Great interview ... the doctor sounded intelligent and seems like a good physician who really cares!!
 
JaggerPlate said:
OMG!!!!!!!!! HE DIDN'T MENTION OSTEOPATHIC MEDICINE ORRR RIGHT DO ACROSS HIS FOREHEAD IN LIPSTICK FOR THE INTERVIEW!!! Traitor to his own cause ... someone is going to get a FIREYY email tonight. :meanie:
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:meanie::laugh::meanie::laugh:
 
igcgnerd said:
Actually, after completing an MBBS in the British system which India still has, one becomes a house officer equivalent to a resident here. One then can further specialize and become a fellow( categorical resident). An MD is purely a research degree bestowed for high achievement like a PHD. If one has and MBBS an completes fellowship training, they can practice any area of medicine or surgery.
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I mean they are allowed to work as a doctor, but know nothing. I know in some countries after 6-7 years of medical school (which is right after HS) you can go work a doctor without any "official" training program. That almost like training on the job.
 
MisterInBlack said:
I mean they are allowed to work as a doctor, but know nothing. I know in some countries after 6-7 years of medical school (which is right after HS) you can go work a doctor without any "official" training program. That almost like training on the job.
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I just meant that it isn't the norm for people to pursue an MD after an MBBS in those countries, the ones who do are usually strictly in academics and research not in clinical practice. The vast majority complete their MBBS, do their equivalent of a residency, and then go into practice.
 
igcgnerd said:
I just meant that it isn't the norm for people to pursue an MD after an MBBS in those countries, the ones who do are usually strictly in academics and research not in clinical practice. The vast majority complete their MBBS, do their equivalent of a residency, and then go into practice.
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maybe you are generalizing a bit here. I do know for sure that you are considered only to be a general practicioner or a "Registered Medical practicioner" after a MBBS in India. MBBS degree holders can practice basic medicine, like family practice medicine and they can ofcourse work in hospitals as family practice physicians.

In India ( I have no idea about britain), one needs to write entrance exams to be a candidate for the MD degree and the pre-requisite for these entrance exams is having an MBBS degree. Also, this is very competitive. The MD degree is granted to recognize any of the "Non surgical specialities" and OBGYN.

For surgical specialities (which is even more competitive), the MBBs candidates need to go on another track that grants an "MS" degree (This is true for India, I am not sure about other countries).

Most people start medical school at age 17 in India and by the time they specialize in their respective field, they are around 28 or 29 years of age.
 
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