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If I were to drop out of a PT school at the beginning of the first year, would it look bad when I went to apply for other PT schools the following year? How much would that affect me getting in?
If I were to drop out of a PT school at the beginning of the first year, would it look bad when I went to apply for other PT schools the following year? How much would that affect me getting in?
What?If I were to drop out of a PT school at the beginning of the first year, would it look bad when I went to apply for other PT schools the following year? How much would that affect me getting in?
Why not just decline your offer and reapply to other schools ? Would be easier then paying and losing money.
What?
Even if you were excepted at another school after dropping out of the first PT school, you don't get to enter as a second year student. You're going to add to your debt, not reduce it.
You've got 2 options: 1) Go to the school where you were accepted, or 2) decline and if you don't get off the wait list do what you can to improve your chances next application cycle, hoping that you haven't screwed yourself and don't get rejected from both programs next year.
Let me clarify the situation....
Classes start in the summer... GA/TA positions usually don't get filled until (I'm guessing) close to the start of fall.
I'm thinking about attending a school where I would take the summer courses (Which is maybe 8 credit hours) and then hope that I can get a Grad/Teaching Assistant position within that first year. If I don't get offered a position, I won't be able to afford it, and then I'd probably have to drop out.
And yes, another option I'm considering is awaiting next cycle.
Let me clarify the situation....
Classes start in the summer... GA/TA positions usually don't get filled until (I'm guessing) close to the start of fall.
I'm thinking about attending a school where I would take the summer courses (Which is maybe 8 credit hours) and then hope that I can get a Grad/Teaching Assistant position within that first year. If I don't get offered a position, I won't be able to afford it, and then I'd probably have to drop out.
And yes, another option I'm considering is awaiting next cycle.
If you can't afford the tuition/R&B without getting paid to GA/TA, then I wouldn't risk it. What is the chance you will get that as first year student?
If you can't afford it this year, why would you be able to afford it a year later?
Is this year's admission offer is for a very expensive school , but you are hoping to get admitted to a cheaper school next year?
I haven't been able to get an answer about probabilities of getting a spot as a GA/TA, but I know that they do hire some first years from what they've said. But then if you're hired as a first year you must stay on as a GA/TA the second year usually as well, to keep the benefits.
The in-state schools are affordable for me, the out of state's are if I get a position as a TA/GA or have some sort of scholarship/stipend. I've found that a lot of schools in my state (Texas) are very hard, and that many of the out of state schools I have applied to are a lot more lenient and less competitive. That's my fear about waiting longer. My backup plan is go the PA route.
As a grad student you should be able to get loans necessary to live/studyI haven't been able to get an answer about probabilities of getting a spot as a GA/TA, but I know that they do hire some first years from what they've said. But then if you're hired as a first year you must stay on as a GA/TA the second year usually as well, to keep the benefits.
The in-state schools are affordable for me, the out of state's are if I get a position as a TA/GA or have some sort of scholarship/stipend. I've found that a lot of schools in my state (Texas) are very hard, and that many of the out of state schools I have applied to are a lot more lenient and less competitive. That's my fear about waiting longer. My backup plan is go the PA route.
Well If you reapply you have to do something to make yourself more competitive for the Texas in state schools since they are more competitive. Especially if you decide to reapply to some of the same schools because they ask you an essay question in regards you what you have done to improve your chances
Each year is only getting more competitive so choose wisely. & PA school is just as expensive so either way you’re most likely going to have to take out some type of loans, unless you’re lucky enough and have $80,000+ laying around.
As a grad student you should be able to get loans necessary to live/study
I don't understand how getting a GA/TA position is a deal breaker for you. PT school is like a full-time job where you're in class 8-5, Mon through Fri. I doubt you would have enough hours working as a GA/TA to make much of a difference financially.
Why not work as a personal trainer or something to that effect for some extra cash? More flexible hours and higher pay rate.
And yes, dropping out during the first year does not bode well for being accepted to another school. Unless it's USA. They take anybody who's willing to pay.
My plan to increase my competitiveness was to take classes, keep working as a personal trainer, and improve my GRE scores. And I know PA school is going to be expensive too, but the payout is better than PT. Plus, they are about the same amount of time in grad school.
The loans are going to be too high.
It's a deal breaker because it's going to be what reduces my tuition costs significantly. The stipend I can get will wipe away a majority of the out-of-state tuition fee's per credit hour.
Let me get this straight... You got accepted into an out of state school. You did not get into any Texas schools (are you on any wait lists in TX?).
You can't afford the out of state school (translation: You don't want to take out the loans), so you are betting the farm on getting a GA/TA position in your first year to offset tuition costs. School starts in the Summer, but you won't know about the GA/TA position until the fall. So you will drop out if you don't get it.
If your GPA isn't high enough to get into a Texas school, then I wouldn't bet the bank on getting a GA/TA position the first year.
If you drop out, you plan to reapply for the next cycle. By my math, that means you would be knee deep in the re-application process this summer and you haven't done anything to improve your chances yet.
You stated:
"I've found that a lot of schools in my state (Texas) are very hard, and that many of the out of state schools I have applied to are a lot more lenient and less competitive."
I have no idea why you think this. You got into one out of state school that you can't afford. Why did you even apply?
The first semester of PT school is going to kick you in the pants. Do you really think that you will have time to work on your re-application?
I am looking at your other posts. You are highly concerned about salary vs. debt. You are wishy washy about PT as a career. You might consider PA instead. Frankly, your logic and language skills are lacking.
It makes me sick to my stomach to think that you are willing to walk away from a program after one semester for any reason. There is another candidate for your seat that is 100% committed to PT school. We lost students after the first semester and it was heartbreaking, they tried so hard and couldn't make the grades.
Decide what you want and what you are willing to do to get there. Take a year off, retake classes, do more observation, study harder. Get your head back in the game.
Let me get this straight... You got accepted into an out of state school. You did not get into any Texas schools (are you on any wait lists in TX?).
You can't afford the out of state school (translation: You don't want to take out the loans), so you are betting the farm on getting a GA/TA position in your first year to offset tuition costs. School starts in the Summer, but you won't know about the GA/TA position until the fall. So you will drop out if you don't get it.
If your GPA isn't high enough to get into a Texas school, then I wouldn't bet the bank on getting a GA/TA position the first year.
If you drop out, you plan to reapply for the next cycle. By my math, that means you would be knee deep in the re-application process this summer and you haven't done anything to improve your chances yet.
You stated:
"I've found that a lot of schools in my state (Texas) are very hard, and that many of the out of state schools I have applied to are a lot more lenient and less competitive."
I have no idea why you think this. You got into one out of state school that you can't afford. Why did you even apply?
The first semester of PT school is going to kick you in the pants. Do you really think that you will have time to work on your re-application?
I am looking at your other posts. You are highly concerned about salary vs. debt. You are wishy washy about PT as a career. You might consider PA instead. Frankly, your logic and language skills are lacking.
It makes me sick to my stomach to think that you are willing to walk away from a program after one semester for any reason. There is another candidate for your seat that is 100% committed to PT school. We lost students after the first semester and it was heartbreaking, they tried so hard and couldn't make the grades.
Decide what you want and what you are willing to do to get there. Take a year off, retake classes, do more observation, study harder. Get your head back in the game.
Fantastic. 100% what I was thinking on all of the above.
@DTOWN you have started 3 threads around the topic of second-guessing PT school. You don't sound that strongly interested in the field of rehabilitation to me. PT school is a big thing to sign on for if you really are only passingly interested. Realize that a very, very small minority of PTs work with high level athletes in a sports and conditioning setting like you want to according to your other posts. The vast majority of PTs work with the elderly, the sick and average people with aches and pains. The vast majority of PTs also spend a good chunk of their early careers making large student loan payments, but none that I know have a standard of living anywhere remotely near poverty.
Please decline the school's acceptance offer and don't attend if you honestly believe their is a chance you would pay for the first semester and then drop out because you didn't want to pay for the rest of school. There is some poor student on the waitlist at that school who would kill to be accepted and would make a great PT. If you're going to attend, make up your mind and stick with it, or pick another path. Quitters are the last thing we need as we try to elevate the profession of physical therapy in the future.
And P.S., your plan doesn't even make any sense, as the above quoted post described. Let me entertain myself and elaborate:
1.)The first year of PT school is challenging and time consuming to say the least. The knowledge you gain sets the foundation you need to be a good future clinician. It is very, very unlikely that you could work enough hours as a GA as a first year student to cover all of the out-of-state tuition relative to a TX school (some of the cheapest schools in the country) and still learn what you ought to be learning as a first-year. That's assuming you got a GA position at all, which sounds like a long-shot. I didn't make it this far without developing my time management skills and discipline, I think you underestimate how much I'm capable of. Of course, it might cause lots of stress and mental fatigue.
At the same time I understand what you're saying, but otherwise without working I couldn't afford to go.
2.) You would waste thousands of dollars in tuition, moving expenses, etc and months of study time taking one semester of PT school and dropping out. True.
3.) Picture yourself as a member of an admissions committee at an extremely competitive in-state school. You have a candidate's application in front of you who had a ho-hum application his first go around and so could only get into one (presumably less desirable) school. He attended that school, did nothing of significance to improve his application compared to the previous cycle, and then flaked out and bailed on PT school altogether to re-apply at your school, leaving an empty seat permanently in that cohort. Now, if you were in this position with a few dozen seats to fill and hundreds upon hundreds of applicants with strong credentials to choose from, would you choose yourself? Honestly I defy you to give me a strong, logical argument for this thinking (which you will have to give if you did somehow manage to get an interview). Schools lose tens of thousands of dollars every time they lose a student in a lock-step, cohort type program like a DPT. In all seriousness, when they are admitting <10% of applicants anyway, why would they admit someone with a history of dropping out of PT school? The fact that you even have to ask if dropping out of PT school would "look bad" or affect you getting in on future applications is telling. In regards to the lack of time to boost my credentials, yes, dropping out wouldn't make sense because then I wouldn't have time to boost my resume. As for the question of would it look bad? If I gave them a good enough answer as to why I dropped, I would say that they'd be deluded to think I couldn't be depended on, especially if I explained my situation. I don't care about how much money the institution is losing, school is expensive and it's no wonder federal student loans are now the 2nd highest debt in the US behind mortgages. If a professor wants to **** on me for not taking on the debt and facing the consequences later in my life, then they're just as deluded as the rest of Americans who put themselves in financial holes.
Personal training requires almost no formal education (read "tuition") and a high-end personal trainer can make as much money as a PT if they are the type of person who is willing to market themselves, work long hours and sell, sell, sell. Based on your other posts that seems more what your interested in. If you are envisioning physical therapy being something like that, you are going to have a very bad time in PT school, and then have to been one of the select few PTs who works exclusively with this patient population after you graduate. If you're certain that trying to make it big time in the world of personal training is not for you (also a choice with very long odds), but are willing to pursue grad school, perhaps being a PA for a sports medicine practice is more inline with what you are looking for. That is very different than personal training or PT too though. You will be writing prescriptions, ordering imaging and writing referrals to PTs and to other medical specialists. Nothing remotely like a strength coach or trainer. Well, why do you think I'm on here asking all these questions? I'm teetering between PT and PA right now, and personal training is too steep of a hill to climb to make enough money to be comfortable.
I like that you are approaching student debt with great caution. That's fantastic. I like that you are taking a very pragmatic approach to choosing your career. Note I didn't say you need to be "passionate" about physical therapy. Most people can learn to have an interest in many fields giving enough exposure, and there is nothing at all wrong with working to live rather than living to work. But before you go to PT school, you do need to know that you actually want to be a PT. Being a working class stiff is a lot more tolerable if you generally like what you do. And because of the level of training (and cost) required, it's not really something people just dip their toes in. Have you observed any inpatient PT? Any settings besides your churn and burn outpatient ortho clinic? Are you sure you actually know what PTs do. The spectrum is remarkably broad. Either way, perhaps you just haven't quite figured out what you want to be when you grow up. That's fair enough.
Yes, your statements are accurate. That's the exact position I am in. I've been wait-listed as well to ONE Texas school, but the deadline is approaching fast and odds are slim I get in.
In hindsight, I should not have applied, that was my mistake. Once the end of 2017 rolled around, I panicked. I blew through my interviews with Texas schools and got multiple denials and no-reply's from many of them and started to throw out applications to schools that had relatively easier in-state residency requirements.
Great point. I did not think about that.
Sorry for the lack of communication. Every time I've gotten on this forum I've rushed responses and created threads without properly thinking and spell-checking. Excuse me.
As for the rest of what you said, thank you. It was a hard read but it was something I needed. My ideas might make you sick, but that's why I'm on these forums - asking hard questions that I don't have concrete answers to.