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Dropping the O in OMS
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Gotta take it easy on the "ol tinder" as sketchy micro told me to you know?
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I had no clue this was a thing people had a strong opinion about. I've always had a bit of an internal struggle when deciding what to say when people ask me about school / medicine because I feel like there is a difference to some people in the field but not anyone else.
My default response started off as simply being a medical student, but I've had quite a few occasions where I've told that to a doc I either met casually as friends of my parents or at some volunteer function who made me feel like I was keeping the fact I was an osteopathic medical student a secret from them later on which always made things awkward/weird to me. Now to avoid that, if I know their in the field, I try to lead with being an osteopathic medical student when first introducing myself and then only bring it up if it's relevant later on.
My default response started off as simply being a medical student, but I've had quite a few occasions where I've told that to a doc I either met casually as friends of my parents or at some volunteer function who made me feel like I was keeping the fact I was an osteopathic medical student a secret from them later on which always made things awkward/weird to me. Now to avoid that, if I know their in the field, I try to lead with being an osteopathic medical student when first introducing myself and then only bring it up if it's relevant later on.
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I put MS, but that's because I have a masters degree 😉
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We should have one f... degree. Period.
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You know what’s almost as bad as people freaking out that they want to use OMS? People freaking out that others use OMS.
This shouldn’t be an issue and it only is because we made it one.
This shouldn’t be an issue and it only is because we made it one.
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A few weeks ago:
"No Podiatry students shouldnt be considered medical students. No I dont care that some take the same exact classes side by side with the DOs in literally the same room at the same time and are held to the same standard."
Now:
"We should drop the O in Osteopathic Medical student, we are basically the same thing, why so much degree discrimination bro? Im every bit as competent as a MD."
"No Podiatry students shouldnt be considered medical students. No I dont care that some take the same exact classes side by side with the DOs in literally the same room at the same time and are held to the same standard."
Now:
"We should drop the O in Osteopathic Medical student, we are basically the same thing, why so much degree discrimination bro? Im every bit as competent as a MD."
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You at very frequently asked where you go to school though. No need to not be open and honest.
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Meanwhile I'm just like, "I am but a humble bone wizard trying to make my way in the world."
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Lol, I have no idea what you’re talking about with the podiatry thing. Do DPM students do the same clinical training as med students? Honest question.
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I think he meant that you shouldn’t launch into a long winded introduction of yourself. Just say my name is blabla and I’m a medical student working with blabla.
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There was a thread a couple weeks ago that debated if Pod students are med students.
At least at 3 schools that take classes with DO students, With the exception of OBGYN and Psych/behavioral (not alot of those pathologies in the foot), Pod students rotate through all the same things and are held to the same standard.
In place of OMT, Pod students take surgical classes.
Two big exceptions: 1) Pod students dont have to take shelf exams. 2) The APMLE (Pod boards) are much easier than the USMLE (4 hour test vs an 8) and emphasize lower extremities and anatomy.
Currently, The two California schools are administering the USMLE to their pod students to see how they do. I can see in 10 years time pod students being required to take the USMLE.
At least at 3 schools that take classes with DO students, With the exception of OBGYN and Psych/behavioral (not alot of those pathologies in the foot), Pod students rotate through all the same things and are held to the same standard.
In place of OMT, Pod students take surgical classes.
Two big exceptions: 1) Pod students dont have to take shelf exams. 2) The APMLE (Pod boards) are much easier than the USMLE (4 hour test vs an 8) and emphasize lower extremities and anatomy.
Currently, The two California schools are administering the USMLE to their pod students to see how they do. I can see in 10 years time pod students being required to take the USMLE.
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They don’t rotate through psych and obgyn I imagine? Do they take subject exams during clinicals similar to shelves? Are you in the “they should be called medical students” camp?
Not sure why they’d want them to take USMLE if they don’t have any education in psych or obgyn. Sounds like a recipe for failure.
This is ridiculous.
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Gypsy, this will never happen. "...I can see in 10 years time pod students being required to take the USMLE." So are you back on the Pod bandwagon again? I thought you were applying to dental schools and living the dental life.
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No, Im still aiming for the dental life, but thats just from the research I did when I was looking at Pod. There are a lot of good pods out there, and I hope that one day MD/DO can accept them as physicians, much the same way MDs finally accepted DOs as physicians back in the 60s.
Edit: Perhaps I was a bit optimistic about DPMs taking the USMLE. I think, realistically in my lifetime I can see DPMs being legally the equivalent of a physician in all 50 states, for the foot and ankle, equal to MD/DO in the eyes of Medicare. DOs were able to get physician privileges by only having the COMLEX, so I could see a precedent for that in the future.
Its not like DPMs are Nurse Practitioners trying to get full practice rights. Most DPMs are more than happy to work with the foot and ankle, but want to be reimbursed the same amount for equal work. In many states, this is still not the case (though there are a number of pod friendly states).
Edit: Perhaps I was a bit optimistic about DPMs taking the USMLE. I think, realistically in my lifetime I can see DPMs being legally the equivalent of a physician in all 50 states, for the foot and ankle, equal to MD/DO in the eyes of Medicare. DOs were able to get physician privileges by only having the COMLEX, so I could see a precedent for that in the future.
Its not like DPMs are Nurse Practitioners trying to get full practice rights. Most DPMs are more than happy to work with the foot and ankle, but want to be reimbursed the same amount for equal work. In many states, this is still not the case (though there are a number of pod friendly states).
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Podiatrists will never be equal to physicians. Also they should be more than happy to work with the foot and ankle, since that is what they are trained to do. Anything else would be blasphemy.
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Im sure people said the same thing about DOs before the 60s as well, and that they should be more than happy to work as merely nonsurgical bone specialists.
I would think that DPM would be much more tempting for students if they didnt have to do a 3 year residency, and if school was only 4 years like the DDS degree. As it stands, the foot and ankle can be indicative of serious health problems, and as such, current pods need to be cognizant just like any physician would.
I would think that DPM would be much more tempting for students if they didnt have to do a 3 year residency, and if school was only 4 years like the DDS degree. As it stands, the foot and ankle can be indicative of serious health problems, and as such, current pods need to be cognizant just like any physician would.
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I honestly cannot believe some of the threads on here are actually threads...
A majority of the things I read and find on here are really things that only exist in the world of SDN. This being the most profound example of such. MD/DO's at the hospital I work at are lumped into one and addressed in the same way regardless of which title they actually hold. They're referred to as Dr. "x" across the board with virtually no distinction between the two. The nursing staff doesn't even know the difference....
The director of the medical ICU? DO. The Director of medical education? DO. Plastic surgeons? DO. CT Surgeons? DO. Trauma surgeons? DO. Orthopedic surgeons? DO.
It's an endless list of MD/DO mix that I couldn't care less about and neither should you. If you want to do something with your medical career, do it. Network with the right people and literally anything you want to do is possible. It's so frustrating to come on here and see stuff like this, because it literally does not matter in the grand scheme of things. Certainly, some things are out of the question for us DO students but if you wanted to pursue plastics at Johns Hopkins you may have wanted to spend a little less time at Secretes that one year of spring break in underground and a little more time running someones else's research through the spectrometer.
You can do anything you want to do, your patients don't give a **** which degree you have and neither does the staff at the hospital and if they do it's more than likely a resident you made look bad during the code you were running together. Be proud of where you go to school and the struggles it's taken to get there because it WILL make you a better physician in the long run. Half of this journey is about the struggle and without struggle there is no growth. Life is about risking everything for a dream no one can see but you, don't let two ****ing letters stop you.
EDIT: Why wouldn't you introduce yourself as a MS.....? You are in fact, a Medical Student.
A majority of the things I read and find on here are really things that only exist in the world of SDN. This being the most profound example of such. MD/DO's at the hospital I work at are lumped into one and addressed in the same way regardless of which title they actually hold. They're referred to as Dr. "x" across the board with virtually no distinction between the two. The nursing staff doesn't even know the difference....
The director of the medical ICU? DO. The Director of medical education? DO. Plastic surgeons? DO. CT Surgeons? DO. Trauma surgeons? DO. Orthopedic surgeons? DO.
It's an endless list of MD/DO mix that I couldn't care less about and neither should you. If you want to do something with your medical career, do it. Network with the right people and literally anything you want to do is possible. It's so frustrating to come on here and see stuff like this, because it literally does not matter in the grand scheme of things. Certainly, some things are out of the question for us DO students but if you wanted to pursue plastics at Johns Hopkins you may have wanted to spend a little less time at Secretes that one year of spring break in underground and a little more time running someones else's research through the spectrometer.
You can do anything you want to do, your patients don't give a **** which degree you have and neither does the staff at the hospital and if they do it's more than likely a resident you made look bad during the code you were running together. Be proud of where you go to school and the struggles it's taken to get there because it WILL make you a better physician in the long run. Half of this journey is about the struggle and without struggle there is no growth. Life is about risking everything for a dream no one can see but you, don't let two ****ing letters stop you.
EDIT: Why wouldn't you introduce yourself as a MS.....? You are in fact, a Medical Student.
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They literally are physicians tho already. Had a few surgeries done by one. No different than any other doc I've seen. Didn't even realize he wasn't an MD to very recently lol.
