Election 2004-Pole

[MichiMO]

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As someone suggested...here is our very own SDN election poll.

1. Currently registered to vote, Plan to vote Kerry
2. Currently registered to vote, Plan to vote Bush
3. Currently registered to vote, Plan to vote Third Party (Nader, libertarian, our any other group)
4. Not currently registered to vote, Plan to vote Kerry
5. Not currently registered to vote, Plan to vote Bush
6. Not currently registered to vote, Plan to vote Third Party
7. Currently registered to vote, Undecided
8. Not currently registered to vote, Undecided
9. Do not plan to vote/ Cannot vote

 

[MichiMO]

I see there are a few people not registered to vote and I am sure there are more out there. For everyone not registered to vote, the deadline for registering is the first week of October, so go register this week or as soon as possible! You can go to any party's headquarters as well as post offices and multiple other locations. Just do a google search for your state and voter registration. Don't wait until the last minute or you will forget.

 

[morganlefay]

bump....

KERRY 2004!!!

 

[Jason110]

I believe it's poll NOT pole.

Silly rabbit. Poles are for strippers.

Jason

 

[DrMom]

the deadline for registering is the first week of October, so go register this week or as soon as possible!

The deadline for registering is a local policy, so varies from place to place. Many areas have a 60 day before election policy, so October would be way too late. It already is too late in other places. I recommend that people call their local election board to see what the deadline is in their community. 🙂

 

[MichiMO]

The deadline for registering is a local policy, so varies from place to place. Many areas have a 60 day before election policy, so October would be way too late. It already is too late in other places. I recommend that people call their local election board to see what the deadline is in their community. 🙂

Oh, good to know...so, you hear that people, get out and register asap! 🙂

As for the "pole"...I knew it looked funny when I wrote it....don't I feel silly...good thing I am entering a profession where spelling is not highly valued 😳

 

[drguy22]

I believe it's poll NOT pole.

Silly rabbit. Poles are for strippers.

Jason

hahahahaha i just noticed that too.

 

[morganlefay]

le bump

 

[DadofDr2B]

bump....

KERRY 2004!!!

Why would you want to vote for socialized medicine and a Vice President that wants to sue all doctors now and into the future? How can these people be for you and your patients?

 

[morganlefay]

Why would you want to vote for socialized medicine and a Vice President that wants to sue all doctors now and into the future? How can these people be for you and your patients?

There are more issues at stake than just health care. And if by socialized medicine you mean the system in place in Canada and England right now, then I'm all for it. However, I think foreign policy is most important at this point in time. Besides, I don't really think Edwards has said anything about suing doctors. 🙄

 

[indo]

If you are going to vote for bush the voter registration deadline is June 5th, 2005. Procrastinate as long as possible. heehee.

 

[MadameLULU]

Why would you want to vote for socialized medicine and a Vice President that wants to sue all doctors now and into the future? How can these people be for you and your patients?

How would universal healthcare, if that is what you mean by socialized medicine, NOT be best for our future patients?

 

[Newman8r]

I may be wrong, but I don't think healthcare is really socialized in England, their system is more like ours in the US than the social democratic systems in places like Germany, Sweden, (the majority of countries in the world) etc.

Anyway, I personally think that socialized health care isn't a match for the US... I think it would hurt medical research in general, and it would hurt the quality of our health care system (the numbers show that the quality of health care in the US is very low, but that is based on the fact that it is not accessable to everyone, not that is isn't of high quality)

Whether or not this should be the deciding factor of who you vote for, is up to you... but the fact is that the democratic party WILL push for this type of healthcare system, there is simply no denying it.

Socialized health care = less money for medical professionals (with standardized rates, so hard work and a great reputation won't necessarily earn you more)

it also means increased funding for the government bureaucracy to handle the system, greatly increased taxes (in Germany, in excess of 40% income tax for many) just to name a few drawbacks...

Of course socialized health care has its benefits, but I dont think it is a good idea for the US.

I'm not sure who I am going to vote for yet; I am a registered republican, but there are many factors besides the health care system to take into consideration...

but in general, it is my semi-educated opinion, that the republican party is looking out for helath care professionals to a greater extent....

 

[dshnay]

Why would you want to vote for socialized medicine and a Vice President that wants to sue all doctors now and into the future? How can these people be for you and your patients?

DadofDr2B, you have to think beyond medicine, since there are a lot of other issues at stake. As you would have known bush has been the president of this nation for four years. During his presidency time he made a lot of huge mistakes. Here's a really good example: back in 2001 bush nationally kept addressing the nation that we were going into the recession and that our economy was going to plunge. And I know for a fact that he made more then one speech like that. But anyhow, as a result investors backed out and started selling a huge amount of stock that they owned, leading to a stock market crash. In addition, general public who listed to the president decided to also take part of it, by vastly reducing the amount of shopping they made. I?m sure that you know what happened afterwards. So how can you let such an idiot be a president for four more years?

 

[Ghost]

There are more issues at stake than just health care. And if by socialized medicine you mean the system in place in Canada and England right now, then I'm all for it. However, I think foreign policy is most important at this point in time. Besides, I don't really think Edwards has said anything about suing doctors. 🙄

yes, you are exactly right. edwards has not SAID a thing about suing doctors...........he only made his multi-million dollar fortune by DOING just that. 😡

 

[fahimaz7]

Why would any of you vote for Kerry and Edwards. Not only is their healthcare package death for doctors but Edwards make his millions suing doctors. They are against Tort reform and malpractice insurance reform. But, they are in support for socialized medicine. Haha, that ****ing sucks.

 

[morganlefay]

DadofDr2B, you have to think beyond medicine, since there are a lot of other issues at stake. As you would have known bush has been the president of this nation for four years. During his presidency time he made a lot of huge mistakes. Here's a really good example: back in 2001 bush nationally kept addressing the nation that we were going into the recession and that our economy was going to plunge. And I know for a fact that he made more then one speech like that. But anyhow, as a result investors backed out and started selling a huge amount of stock that they owned, leading to a stock market crash. In addition, general public who listed to the president decided to also take part of it, by vastly reducing the amount of shopping they made. I?m sure that you know what happened afterwards. So how can you let such an idiot be a president for four more years?

Thank you!

 

[Ghost]

DadofDr2B, you have to think beyond medicine, since there are a lot of other issues at stake. As you would have known bush has been the president of this nation for four years. During his presidency time he made a lot of huge mistakes. Here's a really good example: back in 2001 bush nationally kept addressing the nation that we were going into the recession and that our economy was going to plunge. And I know for a fact that he made more then one speech like that. But anyhow, as a result investors backed out and started selling a huge amount of stock that they owned, leading to a stock market crash. In addition, general public who listed to the president decided to also take part of it, by vastly reducing the amount of shopping they made. I?m sure that you know what happened afterwards. So how can you let such an idiot be a president for four more years?

at no time during your ramblings were you even close to making a point........we are all now dumber for having heard it..........i award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

 

[Newman8r]

hah, classic

I agree though, with the fact that you must rely on more than one factor in chosing who to vote for... but the democratic party, and Kerry/Edwards are not on the side of health care professionals

There is a reason why many doctors refuse to take medicare patients, and it's not just because of the money... think about it

 

[babyruth]

What has bush done for doctors? Anything but talk? I guess I need more substance behind his big speeches...
Bush has also made a lot of votes siding with drug companies, in particular, not being able to hold them accountable for toxic side effects. Who do you think people will hold accountable now? Probably the people who prescribe the drugs. The republican govt has also wanted to cut off health care to the elderly and the indigent. I think people are scared of socialized health care because it might be a good alternative for everyone--the whole community; not just the rich. I think that we can surely find a system that works that we can modify to fit the US. I try to think outside of my pocket book and look at my patient's pocket book instead.

 

[Newman8r]

Well it's not like a huge socialized medical care system is going to happen in the next four years.... the thing is that trying to socialize the health care system in a capitalistic society seems impractical

The reasons those pharmaceutical corps do so much research and development is because it is PROFITABLE, it has nothing to do with altruism.

Also, with socialized medical care, it can take a long time to get treated, there are huge waiting lists. I have heard of people waiting weeks or even months before getting treated for something minor

 

[DGhiker]

If Bush thinks I am stupid enough to buy his "we attacked Sadam b/c it was well documented that he was procuring WMD" at the RNC, then he is badly mistaken. I AM NOT that stupid, and if I have anything to say about it, he WILL NOT be President of the U.S. for the next 4 years!

KERRY/EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sharky]

Fortunately, this poll is not representative of what most of America thinks right now. Bush has a double digit lead now in 2 major polls. Do you really think that 2 lawyers will fight for doctors, especially one that won millions of dollars on frivilous lawsuits from doctors? Come now.

Newsweek: Bush 54%, Kerry 43%
Times: Bush 52%, Kerry 41%

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-04-2004/0002244238&EDATE=

http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,692562,00.html

 

[morganlefay]

Fortunately, this poll is not representative of what most of America thinks right now. Bush has a double digit lead now in 2 major polls. Do you really think that 2 lawyers will fight for doctors, especially one that won millions of dollars on frivilous lawsuits from doctors? Come now.

Newsweek: Bush 54%, Kerry 43%
Times: Bush 52%, Kerry 41%

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-04-2004/0002244238&EDATE=

http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,692562,00.html

Not for long. America 'tis a fickle country, and as soon as the convention hype wears off, this poll will once again be more representative of what America thinks. Intelligent America, that is.

 

[DGhiker]

Fortunately, this poll is not representative of what most of America thinks right now. Bush has a double digit lead now in 2 major polls. Do you really think that 2 lawyers will fight for doctors, especially one that won millions of dollars on frivilous lawsuits from doctors? Come now.

Newsweek: Bush 54%, Kerry 43%
Times: Bush 52%, Kerry 41%

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-04-2004/0002244238&EDATE=

http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,692562,00.html

Ok, you know what? I don't think Kerry or Edwards would prosecute GOOD doctors. At least I hope they wouldn't. And here's something crazy (although I still like Kerry/Edwards over Bush/Cheney any day): Perhaps I don't care SO much as you about my own well-being over another. I know that I want to be comfortable and I want my kids to be able to go to college without getting too much into debt, but you know what? If I or my kids have to spend a little extra money to go to school because some other kid gets to go to a good school, when they wouldn't have otherwise been able to do so, then GREAT. I'll take the hit. And go ahead and crucify me if you want to.

 

[Cerbernator]

Pole

 

[Cerbernator]

I am writing in McCain

 

[Ghost]

I am writing in McCain

Viva McCain!!

McCain/Powell 2008!!!! 👍 (sorry hil)

 

[rtmcad2319]

So you all would nave no problem paying via taxes for people that live their lives in a nonhealthy manner? I will not pay for someone else to live like a pig then get free healthcare at my expense!!! Most of the "44 million" people w/o healthcare are from the lower hourly wage bracket, why not give tax incentives to these companies if they decide to help out their employees? Education is a totally different issue and I believe NCLB was great policy. Live healthy and happy Labor Day!

BUSH 2004!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LUBDUBB]

I try to think outside of my pocket book and look at my patient's pocket book instead.

nicely put!!

 

[boilerbeast]

"The W stands for WRONG!" -Kerry

I haven?t been impressed w/ Bush, in any respect.

Either way, if you?re 18, don?t be a pansy?go out and register to vote?and then do it.


And the polls in Time&Newsweek aren't necessarily representative either...I think the "unpredictable" youth vote will decide this one.

 

[Darko]

If Bush thinks I am stupid enough to buy his "we attacked Sadam b/c it was well documented that he was procuring WMD" at the RNC, then he is badly mistaken. I AM NOT that stupid...

You aren't stupid, you've just been caught with your head up Michael Moore's butt.

Consider that Kerry and Blair all concurred with the WMD evidence. Consider that Putin said in June that Iraq was planning terrorist attacks against the U.S. Do you still think it was wrong to attack Saddam?

 

[Darko]

What has bush done for doctors?

Bush has helped and will continue to help doctors treat Americans when they're sick. Don't let me tell you how good Bush is, let the Pennsylvania Medical Society (who endorses Bush) tell you.

http://www.georgewbush.com/HealthCare/Read.aspx?ID=3249

Meanwhile, Kerry's campaign has accepted over $12M from lawyers. Which candidate will stand up for your profession?

 

[mamaMD]

If Bush thinks I am stupid enough to buy his "we attacked Sadam b/c it was well documented that he was procuring WMD" at the RNC, then he is badly mistaken. I AM NOT that stupid, and if I have anything to say about it, he WILL NOT be President of the U.S. for the next 4 years!

KERRY/EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then it makes no sense you would vote for Kerry since he has supported this war and said there have been WMD for *years*.

Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Senate Speech, John Kerry

Oct 9, 2002: "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -John Kerry

Oct 9, 1998: "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others.

Sep 6, 2002: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act." New York Times, John Kerry

I could go on.....

 

[towens5]

sure...let's do socialized medicine...wait 6 months for a hip replacement, pay 60% taxes, pay off medical school debt while making less money and working longer hours...are you guys nuts? Sure, everyone deserves treatment...but in the current system, when was the last time you heard of a doctor not performing a life-saving procedure because the patient didn't show him/her the money? On another topic, how many times have you heard calls for malpractice tort reform? In my area, there are two neurosurgeons that will still practice... so if you get knocked in the head and one of the two can't get to you, then you die. How is that for quality care?

There are other issues in this election, I don't think anyone has mentioned national security...if you need to know Kerry's stance, Zell Miller has a pretty good description.

 

[Darko]

For everyone who hates Bush's stance on Iraq, lets not forget that Kerry doesn't even have a stance.

John Kerry wants to increase the number of US troops in Iraq.

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=29817&format=

He also wants to pull out a significant number of troops during the first eight months.

http://heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,10410113%5E1702,00.html

He also wants to pull them out over a four year period.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040907/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp&cid=694&ncid=716

 

[fahimaz7]

Hey DG,

Since when were you able to see confidential CIA reportings on WMD? Almost every represenative in Congress voted to go in and remove Saddam. Their decision, like Bush's, was the best informed decision that they could make without having a damn nuclear bomb shot at us from Iraq.

scott

 

[fahimaz7]

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I try to think outside of my pocket book and look at my patient's pocket book instead.


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*Cough, cough* Bull**** *Cough Cough*

So voting for a malpractice lawyer and another lawyer is a great idea for the patient. Yeh, the cost of health care and the subsequent loss of HC has been a direct result of money hungry lawyers like Edwards.

Oh yeh, so you say you wanna be a doctor? In 10 years when you can't afford to be and you're 200k in debt I wonder if you will change your tune.

Scott

 

[Jamespm]

So you all would nave no problem paying via taxes for people that live their lives in a nonhealthy manner? I will not pay for someone else to live like a pig then get free healthcare at my expense!!! Most of the "44 million" people w/o healthcare are from the lower hourly wage bracket, why not give tax incentives to these companies if they decide to help out their employees? Education is a totally different issue and I believe NCLB was great policy. Live healthy and happy Labor Day!

BUSH 2004!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whether or not you think NCLB was/is great policy (I don't personally see the value of increased testing and giving up on our public schools), how dare he take credit for a policy that he proposed but has left chronically underfunded?

 

[towens5]

I try to think outside of my pocket book and look at my patient's pocket book instead.


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*Cough, cough* Bull**** *Cough Cough*

So voting for a malpractice lawyer and another lawyer is a great idea for the patient. Yeh, the cost of health care and the subsequent loss of HC has been a direct result of money hungry lawyers like Edwards.

Oh yeh, so you say you wanna be a doctor? In 10 years when you can't afford to be and you're 200k in debt I wonder if you will change your tune.

Scott[/QUOTE]


ok, come on now...stop being so realistic.

 

[antibody]

bump

 

[BiteWing]

I have question. How the freak can any pre-med, med student, or physician vote for Kerry-Edwards and feel good about it? These guys HATE you! You should seriously know their stand in regards to your field before election day...that is unless you don't mind being eventually owned by the government making 50k a year.

 

[MadameLULU]

I have question. How the freak can any pre-med, med student, or physician vote for Kerry-Edwards and feel good about it? These guys HATE you! You should seriously know their stand in regards to your field before election day...that is unless you don't mind being eventually owned by the government making 50k a year.

What is the point in making these OVERDRAMATIC POSTS that are backed up by -NOTHING-? Kerry-Edwards "HATE" us? We are going to be "owned by the government"?

GET REAL!

 

[U4iA]

What is the point in making these OVERDRAMATIC POSTS that are backed up by -NOTHING-? Kerry-Edwards "HATE" us? We are going to be "owned by the government"?

GET REAL!

brainwashing.. the far right always needs to depict any proposed solution as a near catastrophic event to get a majority to follow them, while their policies and proposals often ignore or exacerbate the situation..

 

[BiteWing]

What is the point in making these OVERDRAMATIC POSTS that are backed up by -NOTHING-? Kerry-Edwards "HATE" us? We are going to be "owned by the government"?

GET REAL!

Well, obviously Kerry is gog to lose unless something major happens...but if you want to vote for him, go for it. I just hope you become more informed about his and Edwards' past. Remember, Edwards was a successful attorney known for nailing the crap out of doctors. It's like a Jew voting for Hitler...doesn't make sense.