electrical engineer with 2.8 gpa

[doctor123456789]

What are my chances with a 2.8 gpa in electrical engineering if i want to go to dental school.

A-, B+ chem
B+, B bio
A, A- org chem

what are my chances of getting in. I chose engineering at the beginning because i didnt want to choose a bio major and if i dont get into dental/med/pharm school i become a teacher or have a useless degree working for 15$ an hour.

Those three classes were nothing compared to the rigor of the electrical and computer science engineering classes i had to take. Will consideration be taken on a 2.8 gpa if i can get 18's on my dat? I've taken some practice tests and ive gotten nothing less than 18 on them.

In the end i just wanna know if with those grades and my gpa with my major if i have a chance or not.

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[AwesomeTeeth]

What are my chances with a 2.8 gpa in electrical engineering if i want to go to dental school.

A-, B+ chem
B+, B bio
A, A- org chem

what are my chances of getting in. I chose engineering at the beginning because i didnt want to choose a bio major and if i dont get into dental/med/pharm school i become a teacher or have a useless degree working for 15$ an hour.

Those three classes were nothing compared to the rigor of the electrical and computer science engineering classes i had to take. Will consideration be taken on a 2.8 gpa if i can get 18's on my dat? I've taken some practice tests and ive gotten nothing less than 18 on them.

In the end i just wanna know if with those grades and my gpa with my major if i have a chance or not.

18's? You should definitely shoot for 20+ on everything. 18's are just going to waste your time and money. Take some upper level biology classes too.

 

[JdogDMD]

Definitely agree with above. The average acceptance DAT score is around a 19-20 for most schools and maybe more at others. An 18 DAT with your very low GPA will be thrown out almost immediately. Now if you can take some more upper level courses and do well in them to bring your GPA up and get in the 20+ range on the DAT you might have a chance. However, there are a lot of applicants who have a 3.8 GPA and a 24 DAT that haven't gotten in to dental school. With that said, stats aren't everything, but they are the first indications of what kind of student you are and how committed you are to the dental field. I'm not saying any of this to be mean. This is just how it is. Dental school is very competative and you need to do more research on what kinds of stats are competative to be accepted. This isn't something you just decide to do. The people that are admitted are very good students and work very hard all through undergrad no matter what their major is to be sure they get in. You'll be wasting time and money if you think otherwise.

 

[iralex801]

Definitely agree with above. The average acceptance DAT score is around a 19-20 for most schools and maybe more at others. An 18 DAT with your very low GPA will be thrown out almost immediately. Now if you can take some more upper level courses and do well in them to bring your GPA up and get in the 20+ range on the DAT you might have a chance. However, there are a lot of applicants who have a 3.8 GPA and a 24 DAT that haven't gotten in to dental school. With that said, stats aren't everything, but they are the first indications of what kind of student you are and how committed you are to the dental field. I'm not saying any of this to be mean. This is just how it is. Dental school is very competative and you need to do more research on what kinds of stats are competative to be accepted. This isn't something you just decide to do. The people that are admitted are very good students and work very hard all through undergrad no matter what their major is to be sure they get in. You'll be wasting time and money if you think otherwise.

I wouldn't say "a lot" lol.

Anyways, with a 2.8 GPA, you're probably gonna have to score 21+ to have a chance. This is said assuming your EC's and connections are on par with the average applicant.

 

[hockeykspiky]

If you could survive EE, you should be able to get 20+ on the DAT.
Engineering is so much harder than the basic sciences.
Unfortunately, dental schools don't necessarily know that, so they do consider a 3.8 in biology> 2.8 in EE.
Your only chance to prove to them that a 2.8 in EE > a 3.8 in biology is to score high on the DAT.
Good luck.

 

[doc toothache]

What are my chances with a 2.8 gpa in electrical engineering if i want to go to dental school.
A-, B+ chem
B+, B bio
A, A- org chem
Those three classes were nothing compared to the rigor of the electrical and computer science engineering classes i had to take. Will consideration be taken on a 2.8 gpa if i can get 18's on my dat? I've taken some practice tests and ive gotten nothing less than 18 on them.

If the "three classes were nothing", as you suggest, shouldn't you have done better? Any of your classmates in EE do better than 2.8?

 

[Canard]

What are my chances with a 2.8 gpa in electrical engineering if i want to go to dental school.

A-, B+ chem
B+, B bio
A, A- org chem

what are my chances of getting in. I chose engineering at the beginning because i didnt want to choose a bio major and if i dont get into dental/med/pharm school i become a teacher or have a useless degree working for 15$ an hour.

Those three classes were nothing compared to the rigor of the electrical and computer science engineering classes i had to take. Will consideration be taken on a 2.8 gpa if i can get 18's on my dat? I've taken some practice tests and ive gotten nothing less than 18 on them.

In the end i just wanna know if with those grades and my gpa with my major if i have a chance or not.

Advice to you is, don't listen to any of the negative comments on SDN. The fact is that 2.8GPA is way below competitive GPA HOWEVER, you are doing well on science courses (bio, chem) which is a great sign.

It is very important to keep taking upper level science courses and load your schedule up with science classes as a full-time student. My background is in Engineering as well and that is what I did and had positive feedbacks from admissions. Doing well in those science classes will really show admissions that you are capable of doing science courses and maybe you are much more mature about study habits, etc

As for DAT, I think it is very important to do >20 on each section. At least that is the goal you should be aiming for. Low GPA + Avg. DAT = not competitive but Low GPA + high DAT = can be accepted and increase chances much more.

Don't ever let anyone tell you, there is no chance. It just may take a bit longer. Good luck and hope for the best!!

 

[dentalWorks]

What are my chances with a 2.8 gpa in electrical engineering if i want to go to dental school.

A-, B+ chem
B+, B bio
A, A- org chem

what are my chances of getting in. I chose engineering at the beginning because i didnt want to choose a bio major and if i dont get into dental/med/pharm school i become a teacher or have a useless degree working for 15$ an hour.

Those three classes were nothing compared to the rigor of the electrical and computer science engineering classes i had to take. Will consideration be taken on a 2.8 gpa if i can get 18's on my dat? I've taken some practice tests and ive gotten nothing less than 18 on them.

In the end i just wanna know if with those grades and my gpa with my major if i have a chance or not.

I finished my computer science degree back in 2004 with a lousy 3.0.... how much did I study? probably 1-2 hours the ENTIRE 4 years I was in undergrad (thats how "difficult" those CS and EE classes were).... Gimme a break pal, CS/engineering is nothing compared to real upper level bios.

As far as your initial concern goes..... 2.8 coupled with 18s will not get you into dental school (unless ur daddy is a senator / congress man ~ then in that case, you won't even need to take the DAT)

You need to do some post-bacc, raise the GPA to above 3.0 AND do well on the DAT (simply doing well on the DAT with a 2.8 will not be favorable either).... You must do both.

 

[Sisero68]

OP,

I was very similar to you, 2.8 architecture GPA and only 1 science class with a D (calc I). i have received multiple acceptances. These are my recommendations.

• If you want it, be willing to work for it (plan on 1-2 years more of undergrad or a masters)
• get that oGPA as high as possible at least a 3.0 (though aim much higher)
• make sure you know your sGPA (science) and BCP GPA (biology, chemistry, physics) these are assumed to be more influential then oGPA here on SDN.
• prove yourself with at least 24+ additional credits of upper level science courses (some recommendations: Biochem, physiology, micro bio, molecular genetics, anatomy, cell bio, histology, statistics, and calculus)
• provide a minimum of one year on a great upward trend (two is preferred) before you apply (16-18 credits, mostly all science classes, and try for a 4.0 though a 3.6-3.8 i feel is still good each semester)
• do not aim for an 18 on the DAT... Aim for a 30 in each section, when you study for this and miss the mark hopefully you will still receive a 21+.

Yes it is possible but be ready to work for it. applying next cycle with no improvements is not a great idea in my mind. put it off one more year, maybe earn a one year masters if you are going to graduate and apply in two years. take this extra time to put in some shadowing hours, volunteering, research the field, and really develop the reasons you are drawn to dentistry.

while this is not the end all be all, it was the path i followed (roughly) and it worked for me. good luck.

 

[HealingSprings]

I finished my computer science degree back in 2004 with a lousy 3.0.... how much did I study? probably 1-2 hours the ENTIRE 4 years I was in undergrad (thats how "difficult" those CS and EE classes were).... Gimme a break pal, CS/engineering is nothing compared to real upper level bios.

As far as your initial concern goes..... 2.8 coupled with 18s will not get you into dental school (unless ur daddy is a senator / congress man ~ then in that case, you won't even need to take the DAT)

You need to do some post-bacc, raise the GPA to above 3.0 AND do well on the DAT (simply doing well on the DAT with a 2.8 will not be favorable either).... You must do both.

You must be the only person on this planet who has said that Engineering is NOTHING compared to Bio.... in fact, I think you are the only person who has ever lived to say that Engineering is easier than Bio. Were you being sarcastic? Either you have been blessed with an incredibly analytical brain and are a mathematical genius, you couldn't have meant what you said.


Engineering for 99.99% of the population will always be harder. Just compare the average GPA of Engineering majors and those of Biology majors.... Biology is so easy... just read and memorize. If Engineering classes really are as easy as you say that are, why didn't you get more than 3.0? (no disrespect intended. in fact, 3.0 for an engineering major is actually quite respectable. Engineering is hard!)😳

 

[fujindesu]

I finished my computer science degree back in 2004 with a lousy 3.0.... how much did I study? probably 1-2 hours the ENTIRE 4 years I was in undergrad (thats how "difficult" those CS and EE classes were).... Gimme a break pal, CS/engineering is nothing compared to real upper level bios.

As far as your initial concern goes..... 2.8 coupled with 18s will not get you into dental school (unless ur daddy is a senator / congress man ~ then in that case, you won't even need to take the DAT)

You need to do some post-bacc, raise the GPA to above 3.0 AND do well on the DAT (simply doing well on the DAT with a 2.8 will not be favorable either).... You must do both.

Did you get your CS from ITT tech or Pheonix? a quarter in Stanford or Cal will change your opinion about CS/EE

 

[K Niner]

Lets calm down with the whole EE is so incredibly hard deal. Its a hard major, harder than bio I think most people would agree no doubt, but its just a B.S. degree.

And none of that really matters....

b/c the admissions committee's may give it some extra weight, but not an incredible amount. And while EE may be very difficult, a 2.8 is rather lousy, mostly B's & C's.

But then again.... none of that really matters either if you bring it up to a decent GPA. I would shoot for a 3.2/3.3 (really i would shoot for a 3.5/3.6, but you'll have to calculate how many As that would take). So to do that you'll want all A's from here on out for say 2 years of classes or so. Study you butt off for the DAT, sprinkle in a little shadowing, and you will get in. But realize the road ahead is not easy. It takes lots of hard work and getting a B in one class will greatly reduce the amount your GPA goes up. So think about what you will need to do in order to put yourself in a reliable position before you pursue this. I'm not saying this to demotivate you, but to motiviate you to always put in that extra effort to get that A or w/e it is that you need.

You have to realize that AdCom's are not going to spend or care about your particular situation. They will look mainly at stats. And they will ask themselves, why should I let this guy in with ok or even good DAT scores and a 2.8 when I have this guy here who has a 3.7 and ok DATs.

 

[yappy]

I just thought I would point out that I agree with DW. I have got pretty much 4.0 through all my maths and am on a molecular bio + mech nano engineering minor track.

It is easier to get an A in my engineering courses than it is in my 300-400lv molecular biology courses. In alot of engineering courses I spend alot of time working on projects and doing lab reports wihich account for some of my grade. In bio it's 100% HARD exams that have ~59% average.

OP: Your chances are low due to your low GPA. You have alot of work ahead of you and you must learn to get A's in your classes taking heavy loads. GL

 

[UCLAzy]

no chance bro

 

[dentalWorks]

You must be the only person on this planet who has said that Engineering is NOTHING compared to Bio.... in fact, I think you are the only person who has ever lived to say that Engineering is easier than Bio. Were you being sarcastic? Either you have been blessed with an incredibly analytical brain and are a mathematical genius, you couldn't have meant what you said.


Engineering for 99.99% of the population will always be harder. Just compare the average GPA of Engineering majors and those of Biology majors.... Biology is so easy... just read and memorize. If Engineering classes really are as easy as you say that are, why didn't you get more than 3.0? (no disrespect intended. in fact, 3.0 for an engineering major is actually quite respectable. Engineering is hard!)😳

Did you get your CS from ITT tech or Pheonix? a quarter in Stanford or Cal will change your opinion about CS/EE

Engineering is a concept based science.... once you get a hold of that concept, majority of the work is done..... Alot less memorization is required.... Now certain concepts / projects are difficult to grasp at first, with within the right amount of time and critical thinking.... you'll get there

Biology (especially the big stuff) is a different beast. You get hit with chapters after chapters of factual information, and you are required to understand it (but very little) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY memorize it inside-and-out.... There is almost an ocean of factual material you need have memorized..... and memorization TAKES ALOT OF TIME and effort (a helfa-lot more effort than any engineering degree you can think of)

 

[tinman831]

Did you already graduate in engineering with a 2.8? If so, you're better off doing a post bacc of some kind. Raising a 2.8 GPA after four years is going to be tough.

 

[doctor123456789]

First off i don't think that engineering is just a bs. you need 180 units to graduate here(qtr). Bio for example, has around 80-90 units in its curriculum i believe, the rest of the remaining 180 you fill with electives and ge's. Now engineering has 180 units just in its curriculum, and in the last two years they change like 3-4 classes so you have to take the new ones eventhough you took the previous one. So whats that mean? An engineer major here will have around 220-240 units.Compare that to your cakewalk of 180 of half electives like basketball or film studies. I havent taken a single elective.

I'm still happy i chose engineering in the long run because its actually a major that will land you a real job that can uphold a family. I doubt a bio major with a 2.8 or eve a 3.5 can get a job past 30k to start, what are you going to do besides become a teacher or a lab worker making 12hr. Anyway that's why in the beginning i chose engineering over bio or econ, even though econ was my passion. If you don't get into some type of dental/med/pharm school with your bio degree you better want to study it up to a phd

And lastly, dentalWorks, i dont know what school you went to that you studied for 1-2 hours a day for an engineer major. Everyone knows thats not kinda ridic.And if you really did that, im surprised you went to dental school. If you got your engineering degree in FOUR years (people that do it in 4 years take summer school every year and average 20 units a year per qtr...) of studying 1-2 hours a day studying more lazily than a turtle taking a poop, then you had a mind to get a nobel prize award in physics or some branch of engineering. You had a genius mind.

 

[doctor123456789]

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[doctor123456789]

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[jackalo34]

First off i don't think that engineering is just a bs. you need 180 units to graduate here(qtr). Bio for example, has around 80-90 units in its curriculum i believe, the rest of the remaining 180 you fill with electives and ge's. Now engineering has 180 units just in its curriculum, and in the last two years they change like 3-4 classes so you have to take the new ones eventhough you took the previous one. So whats that mean? An engineer major here will have around 220-240 units.Compare that to your cakewalk of 180 of half electives like basketball or film studies. I havent taken a single elective.

I'm still happy i chose engineering in the long run because its actually a major that will land you a real job that can uphold a family. I doubt a bio major with a 2.8 or eve a 3.5 can get a job past 30k to start, what are you going to do besides become a teacher or a lab worker making 12hr. Anyway that's why in the beginning i chose engineering over bio or econ, even though econ was my passion. If you don't get into some type of dental/med/pharm school with your bio degree you better want to study it up to a phd

And lastly, dentalWorks, i dont know what school you went to that you studied for 1-2 hours a day for an engineer major. Everyone knows thats not kinda ridic.And if you really did that, im surprised you went to dental school. If you got your engineering degree in FOUR years (people that do it in 4 years take summer school every year and average 20 units a year per qtr...) of studying 1-2 hours a day studying more lazily than a turtle taking a poop, then you had a mind to get a nobel prize award in physics or some branch of engineering. You had a genius mind.

No offense, but all of that sounds kinda redic. I go to a school really focused on engineering and no one struggles to graduate on time. Eng degrees are very demanding because of how specific they are-theres a LOT you have to be competent in to be a successful engineer right after 4 yrs of education. With sciences, there tends to be such a wide range of stuff thats just too specific so there’s grad degrees. As far as I’m concerned, the fact that the major you choose wasn’t your passion shows in your low GPA, but, like you said, that could just be because it’s hard.

Anywho, my point is that engineering is a verrrry demanding major because of what it entails, but I doubt it’s impossible to graduate in 4 yrs just taking classes during the semester. If so, then not such a well organized school IMO.

 

[dentalWorks]

First off i don't think that engineering is just a bs. you need 180 units to graduate here(qtr). Bio for example, has around 80-90 units in its curriculum i believe, the rest of the remaining 180 you fill with electives and ge's. Now engineering has 180 units just in its curriculum, and in the last two years they change like 3-4 classes so you have to take the new ones eventhough you took the previous one. So whats that mean? An engineer major here will have around 220-240 units.Compare that to your cakewalk of 180 of half electives like basketball or film studies. I havent taken a single elective.

I'm still happy i chose engineering in the long run because its actually a major that will land you a real job that can uphold a family. I doubt a bio major with a 2.8 or eve a 3.5 can get a job past 30k to start, what are you going to do besides become a teacher or a lab worker making 12hr. Anyway that's why in the beginning i chose engineering over bio or econ, even though econ was my passion. If you don't get into some type of dental/med/pharm school with your bio degree you better want to study it up to a phd

And lastly, dentalWorks, i dont know what school you went to that you studied for 1-2 hours a day for an engineer major. Everyone knows thats not kinda ridic.And if you really did that, im surprised you went to dental school. If you got your engineering degree in FOUR years (people that do it in 4 years take summer school every year and average 20 units a year per qtr...) of studying 1-2 hours a day studying more lazily than a turtle taking a poop, then you had a mind to get a nobel prize award in physics or some branch of engineering. You had a genius mind.

No I did not have a mind to win a Nobel Prize, Engineering is no where near AS DEMANDING as a serious upper biology curriculum.... How can you argue with me? I've done all 3 (B.S in CS with sprinkle of EE, 55+ credits post-bacc of upper level biologies, and now I am in dental school).... I am telling you, if you think engineering is difficult, wait until you get hit with alot of upper level biologies at once

I don't understand you at all, it seems to me your an individual who likes to aim low (2.8 with 18s) and score big ~ come on, a smart engineer from a "hard" institute should be able to calculate the odds of that happening.

 

[doc toothache]

Watching children at play is a wonderful experience. The my daddy can beat your daddy persists pretty much into adulthood.

 

[doctor123456789]

Jackalo, im pretty sure ucsd is pretty organized. There, my daddy is better than your baby daddy.

 

[jackalo34]

Jackalo, im pretty sure ucsd is pretty organized. There, my daddy is better than your baby daddy.

lol u dont even kno my daddy/baby daddy

 

[doctor123456789]

So now that you saw my baby daddy is better than your baby daddy, you literally now make the subject about our baby daddies. Wow dude. I mean WOWWWWWW!!!!!

 

[jackalo34]

So now that you saw my baby daddy is better than your baby daddy, you literally now make the subject about our baby daddies. Wow dude. I mean WOWWWWWW!!!!!

what… Oo

 

[HealingSprings]

Maybe you just have a brain for math/physics, while being weaker than the average person in memorizing. I have an AMZAZING memory, which is why biology is NOTHING to me... just sooo boring. But I think if i asked 1000 people, 999.5 of them would say that Biology is easier than Engineers. How can I argue with you? I told you to compare the average GPAs of Engineers to those of Biology majors. Also compare their standardized test scores.

 

[HealingSprings]

No I did not have a mind to win a Nobel Prize, Engineering is no where near AS DEMANDING as a serious upper biology curriculum.... How can you argue with me? I've done all 3 (B.S in CS with sprinkle of EE, 55+ credits post-bacc of upper level biologies, and now I am in dental school).... I am telling you, if you think engineering is difficult, wait until you get hit with alot of upper level biologies at once

I don't understand you at all, it seems to me your an individual who likes to aim low (2.8 with 18s) and score big ~ come on, a smart engineer from a "hard" institute should be able to calculate the odds of that happening.

Maybe you just have a brain for math/physics, while being weaker than the average person in memorizing. I have an AMZAZING memory, which is why biology is NOTHING to me... just sooo boring. But I think if i asked 1000 people, 999.5 of them would say that Biology is easier than Engineering. How can I argue with you? I told you to compare the average GPAs of Engineers to those of Biology majors. Also compare their standardized test scores, which many people consider IQ tests. You will find that Engineers have lower GPAS but higher test scores.

But honestly, I doubt you told the truth when you said you got your CS degree by studying 1-2 hours a day (or did you mean year)? Sure, once you get the concepts in math, the rest is easy ( and fun), but many times you get stuck. Even geniuses get stuck on single math problems for 6 hours, and get no where. Biology majors don't get stuck; they only either forget or don't do their homework or study because they are so damn lazy. As biology majors, you just have to keep reading. As math/physics/engineering majors, you have do problems, each with so many steps, and when you get stuck on a single step, you get stuck and waste hours of time. Biology majors can read so many pages while we work backwards to see what we did wrong, reread the book, go back to previous sections to learn the material that is applied in this section, etc.

 

[HealingSprings]

First off i don't think that engineering is just a bs. you need 180 units to graduate here(qtr). Bio for example, has around 80-90 units in its curriculum i believe, the rest of the remaining 180 you fill with electives and ge's. Now engineering has 180 units just in its curriculum, and in the last two years they change like 3-4 classes so you have to take the new ones eventhough you took the previous one. So whats that mean? An engineer major here will have around 220-240 units.Compare that to your cakewalk of 180 of half electives like basketball or film studies. I havent taken a single elective.

I'm still happy i chose engineering in the long run because its actually a major that will land you a real job that can uphold a family. I doubt a bio major with a 2.8 or eve a 3.5 can get a job past 30k to start, what are you going to do besides become a teacher or a lab worker making 12hr. Anyway that's why in the beginning i chose engineering over bio or econ, even though econ was my passion. If you don't get into some type of dental/med/pharm school with your bio degree you better want to study it up to a phd

And lastly, dentalWorks, i dont know what school you went to that you studied for 1-2 hours a day for an engineer major. Everyone knows thats not kinda ridic.And if you really did that, im surprised you went to dental school. If you got your engineering degree in FOUR years (people that do it in 4 years take summer school every year and average 20 units a year per qtr...) of studying 1-2 hours a day studying more lazily than a turtle taking a poop, then you had a mind to get a nobel prize award in physics or some branch of engineering. You had a genius mind.

Completely correct. Except that in some schools, including mine, they require Engineers to take GE classes too, adding a lot more units than 240... i would say almost 300, which is more than twice the units biology majors would take.

During my freshmen orientation, they [guidance counselors] told us Engineers that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to graduate within four years without taking courses over the summer. Also, unlike other majors,Engineers are not allowed to receive P/NP for a class, which means that you have take a grade for every class you take. The counselors also told us, and I quote, "Forget about getting a 4.0! Get it out of your head immediately!"

This is why Engineers have my utmost respect, more so than Doctors, lawyers, and maybe even very successful businessmen. 😉

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

This is why Engineers have my utmost respect, more so than Doctors, lawyers, and maybe even very successful businessmen. 😉

So you have more respect for engineers who graduated from Crumbum University then doctors from Harvard med? Or a lawyer from Yale? It's not all memorization and dumping.

Not every engineering program is as rigorous as yours. I wouldn't generalize all engineers as geniuses from the third dimension.

 

[jackalo34]

So you have more respect for engineers who graduated from Crumbum University then doctors from Harvard med? Or a lawyer from Yale? It's not all memorization and dumping.

Not every engineering program is as rigorous as yours. I wouldn't generalize all engineers as geniuses from the third dimension.

Agreed. It also depends on the way your school teaches/tests biology. It may be rote memorization, but where I go to school, they put it in engineering-like problem solving questions, which can be difficult as well. In other words, take what we taught you and apply it to some other random thing.

 

[mi2ni]

B.S in CS with sprinkle of EE

lol...It's like a 4 year old on a bicycle with training wheels claiming riding a 600cc bike in grand prix to be not that big a deal. Please spare us from your expert opinion on EE.

 

[dentalWorks]

Maybe you just have a brain for math/physics, while being weaker than the average person in memorizing. I have an AMZAZING memory, which is why biology is NOTHING to me... just sooo boring. But I think if i asked 1000 people, 999.5 of them would say that Biology is easier than Engineering. How can I argue with you? I told you to compare the average GPAs of Engineers to those of Biology majors. Also compare their standardized test scores, which many people consider IQ tests. You will find that Engineers have lower GPAS but higher test scores.

But honestly, I doubt you told the truth when you said you got your CS degree by studying 1-2 hours a day (or did you mean year)? Sure, once you get the concepts in math, the rest is easy ( and fun), but many times you get stuck. Even geniuses get stuck on single math problems for 6 hours, and get no where. Biology majors don't get stuck; they only either forget or don't do their homework or study because they are so damn lazy. As biology majors, you just have to keep reading. As math/physics/engineering majors, you have do problems, each with so many steps, and when you get stuck on a single step, you get stuck and waste hours of time. Biology majors can read so many pages while we work backwards to see what we did wrong, reread the book, go back to previous sections to learn the material that is applied in this section, etc.

Have you ever considered that biology majors (especially your classic pre-meds and pre-dents) have an incentive to have a high GPA whereas engineers don't really? An engineer with any GPA will get hired at most places, heck, I used to interview people at my old job and I never paid any attention to GPAs, its an insignificant factor for hiring.

Where as your biology buddies, you need that GPA, or you can't get into professional schools (at least thats what every pre-med undergrad adviser tells....right?)

The claim you make about I.Q.... do you have any real data for this? I find this claim very hard to believe.

I hate to say this to you guys, but engineering AS A WHOLE (not engineering from M.I.T or some fancy institute) is not as demanding a vigorous biology background. If you think engineering gave you a challenge, wait until you get into dental school or load up a 20 credit upper level biology in undergrad... then you'll know what demanding is.

 

[mi2ni]

I hate to say this to you guys, but engineering AS A WHOLE (not engineering from M.I.T or some fancy institute) is not as demanding a vigorous biology background. If you think engineering gave you a challenge, wait until you get into dental school or load up a 20 credit upper level biology in undergrad... then you'll know what demanding is.

Again...you are NOT an engineer. You do not have sufficient information to compare the difficulty/course-load/effort needed to graduate from engineering school to any other program. This logic is very simple. Lets try a language you understand:
if (fieldInQuestion==myField)
cout << "your field of study is not as hard as biology";
else
cout << "I do not have sufficient expertise to make a comment"
end

 

[dentalWorks]

Again...you are NOT an engineer. You do not have sufficient information to compare the difficulty/course-load/effort needed to graduate from engineering school to any other program. This logic is very simple. Lets try a language you understand:
if (fieldInQuestion==myField)
cout << "your field of study is not as hard as biology";
else
cout << "I do not have sufficient expertise to make a comment"
end

judging from your tone... I take it your an engineer?

You just made the number mistake than an engineer shouldn't ever make... you made assumptions about my background before gathering any data (shame on you)

How do you know what I wasn't an EE major, and just during senior year, switched over to get a double degree in C.S and Math cause at that time, I.T had good prospects? For the record and from what I remember, here were some courses STRICTLY EE related I took: Circuits I & II, digital logic and lab, electromagnetic waves I (never took II), microprocessors and lab, and few others that I can't remember

I am pretty sure I am NOT that far off from going back to undergrad and earning a EE degree..... Judging from this background, I say I am pretty damn qualified to make an approximation of which major (engineering vs human biology) is more demanding / time consuming.

 

[wizi]

Lets try a language you understand:
if (fieldInQuestion==myField)
cout << "your field of study is not as hard as biology";
else
cout << "I do not have sufficient expertise to make a comment"
end

you know MIMI,
Don't think you are the only one who can write weird stuff on here and when you decide to showoff, make sure that you do it right.

You miss a ";" on the 2nd cout, genius.

 

[mi2ni]

judging from your tone... I take it your an engineer?

You just made the number mistake than an engineer shouldn't ever make... you made assumptions about my background before gathering any data (shame on you)
I am pretty sure I am NOT that far off from going back to undergrad and earning a EE degree..... Judging from this background, I say I am pretty damn qualified to make an approximation of which major (engineering vs human biology) is more demanding / time consuming.

rrrright in the senior year you switched to CS. It turns out my assumption was pretty close! I took all the courses you listed in the first 4 semesters of EE (except electromagnetic "waves"). These are just preparation courses for the real world applications of EE in 3rd and 4th year ...like learning words to speak a language. Actually my conclusion remains the same: taking circuit I & II doesn't make you an engineer. You are not qualified to compare EE to any other field.

 

[mi2ni]

you know MIMI,
Don't think you are the only one who can write weird stuff on here and when you decide to showoff, make sure that you do it right.

You miss a &quot;;&quot; on the 2nd cout, genius.

You didn't actually try to compile that, did you? coming from a guy who can't copy my username...it is mi2ni not MIMI. It is not weird stuff...it is a very simple IF statement written for the computer science major it was addressed to. stay out of it buddy.

 

[wizi]

You didn't actually try to compile that, did you? coming from a guy who can't copy my username...it is mi2ni not MIMI. It is not weird stuff...it is a very simple IF statement written for the computer science major it was addressed to. stay out of it buddy.

lol you still dont know why I called you MIMI and capitalized it for you to see? Think harder.

You know, having CS major doesnt mean you can come to SDN and show-off and act like no-one here knows anything about it.

I have 2 bioinformatics awards, created 2 websites for my research center, worked as a software developer etc. when I was still in my country. I know my stuff. I dont have to compile it to see what wrong with it.
You still have a lot to learn when it comes to computer software lol...

 

[mi2ni]

lol you still dont know why I called you MIMI and capitalized it for you to see? Think harder.

You know, having CS major doesnt mean you can come to SDN and show-off and act like no-one here knows anything about it.

.

DUDE! Go back and read the posts again...you lost track man! I am the engineer in the discussion not the CS major. Do you want to go back and edit your post, or you want to say you mixed me up with dentalWorks on purpose?

 

[dentalWorks]

rrrright in the senior year you switched to CS. It turns out my assumption was pretty close! I took all the courses you listed in the first 4 semesters of EE (except electromagnetic "waves"). These are just preparation courses for the real world applications of EE in 3rd and 4th year ...like learning words to speak a language. Actually my conclusion remains the same: taking circuit I & II doesn't make you an engineer. You are not qualified to compare EE to any other field.

but you are?

Do you realize the courses I listen were taken between 8-10 years ago, I am sure if I look up my transcript, I'd be able to put up the whole list.... If I remember correctly, I was probably 4-5 courses away from a B.S in EE

lol you still dont know why I called you MIMI and capitalized it for you to see? Think harder.

You know, having CS major doesnt mean you can come to SDN and show-off and act like no-one here knows anything about it.

I have 2 bioinformatics awards, created 2 websites for my research center, worked as a software developer etc. when I was still in my country. I know my stuff. I dont have to compile it to see what wrong with it.
You still have a lot to learn when it comes to computer software lol...

you are asking too much of him....

 

[shiftypoptart]

And this is why you decide what you wanna do and what your good at before you get into undergrad... I'm sure just because you got a 2.8 in EE it doesn't make it the most ridiculously impossible to do well major man has ever known. I'm sure there's people who have scored have high GPA's. If you suck at math why do an engineering major, if you suck at drawing you wouldn't do an art major, if you despise reading you wouldn't do a english major... Why? because your probably gunna get a 2.8 GPA... Do you seriously think a dental school admissions office is gunna care whether you know calculus to who knows what variable? OF COURSE NOT. All they care about is if you are able to pass the boards and the boards have anatomy, physiology, dental anatomy, and biochem. So I suggest you take those courses and know them extra well. So if you've learned your lesson, I suggest doing a post bach and Acing every class to have a shot at getting in that or become an Electrical Engineer like you meant to when you chose your major.

 

[mi2ni]

but you are?

Do you realize the courses I listen were taken between 8-10 years ago, I am sure if I look up my transcript, I'd be able to put up the whole list.... If I remember correctly, I was probably 4-5 courses away from a B.S in EE

Ok. So you spent 3.5 years taking EE courses, and in the last semester (with 4-5 courses left to take), you switched to CS?


I was not the one claiming to know the difficulty of engineering and comparing it to biology. But, YES, I am an EE and if I want I can compare EE to any other field that I know about. Your original comment on comparing engineering to biology had nothing to do with what OP asked. Why do you insist on knowing about EE (or worst, about engineering in general)? I keep repeating myself...if you haven't been through the full course load of an engineering program and graduate with a degree, no matter how long you argue, non of the facts change. Not sure how else I can explain it.

 

[wizi]

dentalWorks,

lets not waste our time on this. There are some people that arent worth to talk to... I am out.

 

[dentalWorks]

Ok. So you spent 3.5 years taking EE courses, and in the last semester (with 4-5 courses left to take), you switched to CS?


I was not the one claiming to know the difficulty of engineering and comparing it to biology. But, YES, I am an EE and if I want I can compare EE to any other field that I know about. Your original comment on comparing engineering to biology had nothing to do with what OP asked. Why do you insist on knowing about EE (or worst, about engineering in general)? I keep repeating myself...if you haven't been through the full course load of an engineering program and graduate with a degree, no matter how long you argue, non of the facts change. Not sure how else I can explain it.

Perhaps, you should spend less time worrying about my EE background and more on your reading comprehension skills.

Let me simplify it for you Mr. Engineer

Exhibit A ~ what the Original post stated:

Exhibit B ~ my first response (post #8) to OP's comment and concern

I don't know what part of this thread you read, but I answered the OP in accordance to what he said. And by the way, The OP DID mention "computer science engineering" courses... my posts are in par with that comment especially since I hold a degree in CS.

 

[mi2ni]

Great lecture! Lets talk about your reading comprehension for a minute. If you did comprehend OP’s question, you would have realized he was trying to find out if a low GPA engineering student has a chance to get into d-school. He did not ask you to elaborate on difficulty of engineering vs upper level biology. Your engineering vs biology flame war not only did not contribute any useful information to his knowledge of application process, but also hijacked the thread and made it a childish discussion about my-major-is-better-than-yours. But none of this was the point of my post…

In all my posts on this thread, I have been discussing a single point: you are providing expert opinion on difficulty of engineering vs biology while you haven’t survived a rigorous engineering curriculum–I simply called you out on that. BTW, still I don’t understand why you had difficulty accepting such a simple fact. Here is the silver lining though:

And by the way, The OP DID mention "computer science engineering" courses... my posts are in par with that comment especially since I hold a degree in CS.

This last sentence of yours is all I hoped to see when I started this discussion with you. At least I can have the satisfaction that writing these posts trying to reason with you was not a total waste of time (well, almost).

Enjoy comparing CS to biology (not that I see the point of that comparison anyways…)

 

[jackalo34]

This is completely unnecessary. TBH, who cares which is harder??? I think dentalWorks made his comment, because of the OP's comment about the three classes being "nothing." In that light, I think dentalWorks made a very related comment AND answered the OP's question. Now, I cannot comment on which is more difficult, because I've never done engineering, but I have friends who are and they say it's hard, but they also do not work a lot soo&#8230; Personally, I think engineering is very thought provoking, but so is bio or chem&#8230;discoveries come from thinking deeply about science. It takes a lot to be a recognized scientist, but not so much for an engineer.
To the OP, as others have said, you need a very high DAT scores and to improve your GPA somehow, because a 2.8 is most likely not gonna cut it.

 

[dentalprodigy]

Lmao at this the responses on this thread.

 

[ToldYouSo]

As a bio/chem major I'm very surprised to read this... I've always thought of engineering as much harder than a typical bio degree. The upper level engineering classes are absolutely brutal b/c of the content and also the problem sets which, from talking to EE & chemE friends take several hours to do.

Transport phenomena, electromagnetic theory, signal processing, thermodynamics... those are really difficult classes which require a deep math background.

 

[nondescriptive]

As a bio/chem major I'm very surprised to read this... I've always thought of engineering as much harder than a typical bio degree. The upper level engineering classes are absolutely brutal b/c of the content and also the problem sets which, from talking to EE & chemE friends take several hours to do.

Transport phenomena, electromagnetic theory, signal processing, thermodynamics... those are really difficult classes which require a deep math background.

I graduated EE/Biology. I have to say EE is harder in a different kind of way. You have to have an agile mind to do math problems that take 8 pages, literally. EE is about critical thinking and not much memorizing. Biology is mostly memorizing and understanding. EE is so hard that I don't even ask "why" in class; I just accept what they say is truth. Digging any deeper would open new questions and then its just a headache. Its like calculus, which we've mostly taken; you don't need to memorize but be able to "see" the path to solve a problem. You can't memorized calculus, and that's when you see your classmates turn to business major.

And that's also another way I can tell which major is more difficult; the more people majoring in it the easier it is(I mean between the three, business, bio, and EE). Everyone and there mama were business majors at my school. Calculus was the weed out class for EE major, and Organic Chemistry was the weed out class for Bio Major. Unfortunately there was no weed out class for business majors. Those who couldn't hack it as a business major dropped out (I think).

Anyway, ya'll have different views because ya'll see things differently; you're both correct in your own eyes. But if you took a poll, probably EE. And its also my personal experience.