Emergency Medicine Class Matching in 2013

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This may sound silly, but I see people mentioning rejections, and I wondered if anyone knows if most programs send rejections or is it just a few and the other programs just leave you wondering. I have a handful of interviews, have a bunch of programs that I haven't heard from yet, but haven't received any flat out rejections. Are rejection notices the rule or the exception?
 
21isFun said:
This may sound silly, but I see people mentioning rejections, and I wondered if anyone knows if most programs send rejections or is it just a few and the other programs just leave you wondering. I have a handful of interviews, have a bunch of programs that I haven't heard from yet, but haven't received any flat out rejections. Are rejection notices the rule or the exception?
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im also curious about this
 
My guess, and I repeat guess, is that most programs will send rejections by the first week of November. After that programs will hold onto a few applicants to offer at a later time as people reconsider invitations and pull out of their previously agreed upon interview date.
 
QfeverQ said:
It's one of the places I applied to and I forget where I heard this, but I thought they were sending out invitations today. I guess I would feel better if I wasn't the only one who hasn't heard.
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I didnt hear anything either and was told by the residents manning the booth at the resident fair at ACEP that invites would be going out today. Maybe they were wrong. /shrug
 
Dude seriously? People are freakin out about not having many inteviews and your way of helping is to toss out that you have 10+ interviews but are only an A- student overall because you only had a 258, mult honors, and AOA? Seriously you should br kicked in the balls/ ovaries no offense. Noone is curious how the stellar applicants are doing, we know that already. What people likely want to know is how the average applicants are doing. Seriously fuk man.
 
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Dude seriously? People are freakin out about not having many inteviews and your way of helping is to toss out that you have 10+ interviews but are only an A- student overall because you only had a 258, mult honors, and AOA? Seriously you should br kicked in the balls/ ovaries no offense. Noone is curious how the stellar applicants are doing, we know that already. What people likely want to know is how the average applicants are doing. Seriously fuk man.
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First off, you are right. Ball kick accepted. On a douchey note, A minus is all you need to get honors and AOA is just a popularity contest. Don't know why I posted, I just thought it would be useful but you're probably right.
 
Actually, let me clarify.

The real reason I posted this is because I hope that others can use the same format and post their status on here. I am hoping that a bunch of the average candidates can do this, not just the stellar ones. This was done in previous years, but hasn't been done in a while. If everyone can come on and post their stats, especially Average Joe medical student, we could actually compile the data and make something useful out of it.

Again, I really do feel douchey for posting that stuff on their, but I promise you it was done with pure intentions. So with out further ado, I hope all the average applicants along with the stellar applicants would post their status.

On another thought, maybe we can do this after the match and add where you interviewed and where you matched on the list as well. I promise, the only reason I posted it was in hopes of getting others to do the same so we can compile it.
 
That may be true but who do you think will post? All the good applicants. People with below average and average stats arent exactly clamoring to shout their stats and interviews to the sky. Yes a couple ballsy people may, but itll be noting but the bloody derm forum in here for pages.
 
sylvanthus said:
That may be true but who do you think will post? All the good applicants. People with below average and average stats arent exactly clamoring to shout their stats and interviews to the sky. Yes a couple ballsy people may, but itll be noting but the bloody derm forum in here for pages.
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Should I delete it?
 
Plus we kinda tried posting stats a few pages back and like I said it was mainly good applicants posting. Anyhow id just suggest trying to help alleviate stress on here and not compound it. Think how youd feel with a couple jnterviews at this point.
 
always tired said:
Should I delete it?
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The rationale that I have always used on SDN when I questioned myself as to whether to leave it up or delete it has been this: if I get back to it, and it hasn't been quoted, I'm OK with deleting it. Even if someone talked about it, if it isn't reproduced, I am OK with taking it out. However, no matter how judgmental, incendiary, or off-the-wall, if someone quotes it, I stand by it, and take any heat that it generates. That's only right.

I mean, on the flip side - if someone wants to take issue, but they don't quote it, then that second person has a minor fault, as they have information that others, mostly by the vagaries of work and time, were unable to get. Afterwards, late-comers to the thread just see a bunch of seeming senseless posts, or ones that seem to be "beating around the bush" (such as it is), without mentioning the central topic.

I am making no comment on your post or stats.
 
I don't know Sylvanthus. It does come off a little bit douchey, but I do think the guy probably had good intentions when he posted it.

I vote for leave it. People already know stellar applicants have a lot of interviews.
 
I would say the post was 80% good intentions, 20% bragging. I initially thought that it came across a little douchey, but then actually found it very helpful personally. Using alwaystired's grading scale, I guess I would be a B+ student, and it was informative for me to know which programs haven't interviewed me because they only sent out interviews "A-" applicants versus haven't sent out interview invites yet.
I actually wouldn't mind posting my own stats except I don't have the cojones to withstand the backlash that I would get here on this forum. If anyone asks, I will be happy to PM. Personally, I would love to know what your stats are sylvanthus.
 
It's nice to see what type of stats are getting these interviews. I say leave it. This makes me realize I am a C+ student.
 
See, my whole issue is "what happens when we don't quite fit into a category?". Like mediocre or even poor preclinical grades, decent clinical grades, and good/improving step scores?
 
misterchimpanze said:
I would say the post was 80% good intentions, 20% bragging. I initially thought that it came across a little douchey, but then actually found it very helpful personally. Using alwaystired's grading scale, I guess I would be a B+ student, and it was informative for me to know which programs haven't interviewed me because they only sent out interviews "A-" applicants versus haven't sent out interview invites yet.
I actually wouldn't mind posting my own stats except I don't have the cojones to withstand the backlash that I would get here on this forum. If anyone asks, I will be happy to PM. Personally, I would love to know what your stats are sylvanthus.
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Woah there, Stats or it didn't happen. You can't just go around saying B+ student and not post it. . .

Just kidding, I was just trying to peer pressure you. Anyway, if this guy is an A-, what the hell is an A and an A+? Also, what they hell is a B+ and what the hell is a C+ seeker?

Plus, if you notice, 70% of those programs are SDN rumor-patrol/prestige-***** regional power houses.

Anyway, I say both of you should just post it, it would be interesting to see the grade/application dynamics.
 
Laeno said:
See, my whole issue is "what happens when we don't quite fit into a category?". Like mediocre or even poor preclinical grades, decent clinical grades, and good/improving step scores?
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My guess, per the Standardized Always Tired grading scale, you would fall into the B or B- category.

FSU on the other hand is in that uber elite "A-" to "A" category if I recall correctly.
 
bad virus said:
My guess, per the Standardized Always Tired grading scale, you would fall into the B or B- category.

FSU on the other hand is in that uber elite "A-" to "A" category if I recall correctly.
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Judging by this guy's scale, I'd be a solid B, lol. He got invites from Vandy and USF, I haven't heard from either yet........still hoping.
 
Fine.

Top 25 Allopathic by research
Step 1 Range: 230-239
Step 2 CK/CS: Pending
Core Rotation Grades: 5/7 Honors
EM Rotation Grades: 2/2 Honors
2x SLORs
Teaching and research background

48 programs applied. 8 interviews.

UCSD, Mayo, MetroHealth/Cleveland Clinic, Columbia, NSLIJ, Duke, Resurrection, OSU
 
Top 5 allopathic school by primary care, Top 35 research (I guess? First time poster here--assuming when people do that they mean the US News rankings?)
Step 1: 256
Step 2: Pending
First year grades: all P on HP/H scale
Core Rotations: 3 H (peds, medicine, surgery) 3 HP (neurology, psych, rural) 2 P (ob/gyn, family med)
EM Rotation grades: #1 HP #2 H
SLORS x 2
LOR x 2
One article submitted for publication, a few presentations

Applied to 25 programs at first, then freaked out at ACEP and applied to 10 more
12 interviews

Christiana, Denver Health, HealthPartners Institute, JPS, MMC, Sinai, NSLIJ, Orlando, SLR, UCLA-OV, UM, UW
 
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BTW, went to ACEP this year and at least half of all of the places I have gotten interviews from were from places that I had significant personal contact with PDs, and got the offers right after ACEP. Makes me think this just gave them a reason to pull my file out of the stack and get it processed. I talked to a ton of PDs over the week, and most of them said the same thing--tons of apps to process, nowhere near to being done, don't stress. At least 5 of them told me they won't start sending out invites until Nov. 1. One of them told me when their invitations were being sent out, and I didn't get it until 3 days after that date--point being, programs are people too and they sometimes don't get to things as soon as they say they will 🙂. Also, they are WELL aware of the "unique" nature of this year's application cycle and know that they need a good mix of invites sent to A/B/C students as they have no illusions that they will get all the top students with everyone applying everywhere; also, they are planning on tons of cancellations this year so lots will be sent out late.

Best of luck to all.
 
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well played sir. I disagree with posting stats given the inherent bias and therefore poorly valid data it will generate.
 
EM2013 said:
This thread has taken a turn for the tool.
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Not nice. In any case, I didn't get any honors 1st or 2nd year. I also took a 2 year leave of absence for personal reasons, which programs could see as a red flag. Long story short, pluses and minuses, just like everyone else.
 
ianjustlellis said:
Not nice. In any case, I didn't get any honors 1st or 2nd year. I also took a 2 year leave of absence for personal reasons, which programs could see as a red flag. Long story short, pluses and minuses, just like everyone else.
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When did you get Denver? Did you rotate there?
 
It throws me off seeing the number of places ppl chose to apply to. I am super super super average, and I applied to 30. My PD told me apply to 20! :laugh:

I don't mind seeing stats posted, it actually makes me feel better. Before, I was worried about not having enough interviews. Now I'm grateful to even have any invites at all, given the illustrious group that seems to applying this year. I'm serious, you guys have some noteworthy achievements. I'm happy to have received any love period :laugh:

I just keep telling myself, all I need is 10... *keeping fingers crossed*!
 
Twenty thousand "What are my chances threads?" and the second anyone tries to post some hard stats everyone gets their butt hurt and whines about bragging. The whole culture of secrecy surrounding medical school performance is ridiculous. We all get in and immediately lose sight of how much of an accomplishment being an MD is. Suddenly everyone's ashamed of being "average".

Thank you to the people willing to post a rough outline of their information. It's nice to have information on who is getting invitations to places like Denver and Vanderbilt...
 
ianjustlellis said:
Not nice.
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Don't mind them, I can assure you that they are just yanking your chain. You did good and you should be proud.

On another note, can you comment on the following rumors. I know a few residents who went to your medical school and they say that the program is pretty malignant. Mind you, this is an N of 3 and one of them isn't even an EM resident.

Is there any bases to this accusation about the program being a bit rough? Also, what is the atmosphere like there. Laid back and first name basis with the attendings, or is everyone in a shirt and tie at grand rounds?
 
bad virus said:
Don't mind them, I can assure you that they are just yanking your chain. You did good and you should be proud.

On another note, can you comment on the following rumors. I know a few residents who went to your medical school and they say that the program is pretty malignant. Mind you, this is an N of 3 and one of them isn't even an EM resident.

Is there any bases to this accusation about the program being a bit rough? Also, what is the atmosphere like there. Laid back and first name basis with the attendings, or is everyone in a shirt and tie at grand rounds?
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Hey there. I don't have anything bad to say about our program--it just is what it is. The way my attending and mentor from here describes it: "you have to be a certain type of person to be happy here." To the best of my gathering that certain type is a full-throttle, gung-ho, "bring it on and then some" type of resident. There's very little time off (basically 6 days on, 1 day off for 4 years), and very little time for family and extra-curricular activities. No, there's not a ton of smiling on shift, but yes, there are a ton of people getting sht done and doing it better than anyone. This is a county program, so, if you're a student who wants tons of autonomy, "hard-core" training, and doesn't need one-on-one attention, this might be your place. If you prefer a softer approach (I count myself in this group), this program might not be for you at all. The residents here are tops, but they earn their stripes.

I wouldn't describe the atmosphere as "laid back," but that's just from an intensity standpoint. Lots of scrubs and DG hoodies, not too many shirts and ties.
 
Glitterbox said:
It throws me off seeing the number of places ppl chose to apply to. I am super super super average, and I applied to 30. My PD told me apply to 20! :laugh:

I don't mind seeing stats posted, it actually makes me feel better. Before, I was worried about not having enough interviews. Now I'm grateful to even have any invites at all, given the illustrious group that seems to applying this year. I'm serious, you guys have some noteworthy achievements. I'm happy to have received any love period :laugh:

I just keep telling myself, all I need is 10... *keeping fingers crossed*!
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Glitter, why would you care about interviews when you're beating women off of you with sticks?

In regards to the Denver thing Ian, are you serious about the 6 days on and 1 day off? Also, do n't they work 12's?

Holy crap, no offense to your program, I am just curious.
 
bad virus said:
In regards to the Denver thing Ian, are you serious about the 6 days on and 1 day off? Also, do n't they work 12's?

Holy crap, no offense to your program, I am just curious.
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We do circadian shifts here (i.e., two mornings, two afternoons, two overnights), so it's technically 5.5 days on, 1.5 off (i.e., get off last night shift at 8am, then have next day off, then back the next day in the AM).

The residents average 23-24 shifts per month.

At DG we work 10s with 1-2 hr overage, so about 11s-12s all said. Unfortunately it's all paper charting, so that takes quite a bit of time at the end.
 
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I'm also very curious about the nature of Denver's program. I rotated at New Mexico, and I heard from multiple people that it's a rough program that turns out good residents via trial by fire.
 
ianjustlellis said:
We do circadian shifts here (i.e., two mornings, two afternoons, two overnights), so it's technically 5.5 days on, 1.5 off (i.e., get off last night shift at 8am, then have next day off, then back the next day in the AM).

The residents average 23-24 shifts per month.

At DG we work 10s with 1-2 hr overage, so about 11s-12s all said. Unfortunately it's all paper charting, so that takes quite a bit of time at the end.
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DG= Denver Health? I've heard the same rumors about the program at Denver, but I have also heard that the old crowd that made the program legendary have since retired and that the program has a lot of newer faculty. No idea if that is the truth. I also agree that it is portrayed as a program where residents work hard and play hard. That schedule would be brutal for four years, but it comes with great training and post-residency placement that rivals anywhere else in the country (or so they say).

I think it's still a top 10 national program?
 
Lanolin said:
DG= Denver Health? I've heard the same rumors about the program at Denver, but I have also heard that the old crowd that made the program legendary have since retired and that the program has a lot of newer faculty. No idea if that is the truth. I also agree that it is portrayed as a program where residents work hard and play hard. That schedule would be brutal for four years, but it comes with great training and post-residency placement that rivals anywhere else in the country (or so they say).

I think it's still a top 10 national program?
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We use Denver General and Denver Health interchangeably, sorry! I would say there's no doubt it's still a top 10 national program, if not higher, in terms of the resident product. There are quite a few new faculty, and there may indeed be some changes on the horizon (especially since we got slapped on the wrist this year for hour violations 🙂).
 
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BTW, at ACEP our PD said that they already have almost 1200 applications this year. 😱
 
ianjustlellis said:
BTW, at ACEP our PD said that they already have almost 1200 applications this year. 😱
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People are blanket'ing their applications this year (and most recent years for that matter). Our application process is so stupid. 1200 students are not interested in going to Denver. Same way with Cooke County that received 1200.
 
Lanolin said:
People are blanket'ing their applications this year (and most recent years for that matter). Our application process is so stupid. 1200 students are not interested in going to Denver. Same way with Cooke County that received 1200.
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I totally agree. And it makes you feel like you have to apply to 50 places if everyone else is.
 
Lanolin said:
People are blanket'ing their applications this year (and most recent years for that matter). Our application process is so stupid. 1200 students are not interested in going to Denver. Same way with Cooke County that received 1200.
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Wow, how many ppl applied EM last year, total. I feel like Denver and CC would lose a decent number of apps just cause they are a 4 year program. I know I didnt apply because of that.
 
I had no idea EM would be this competitive. 1200+ applications for 12 spots?
 
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