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[samac]

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I will say I don't have to just vote someone or move on. A single vote in the wilderness without making a case to the rest of village does very little.

Alissa was of limited usefulness honestly because she was complaining about keeping up when she died and didn't have a PR. So why overstate the case?

And when you got tossed the tie you killed Visc and she had a useful PR.

Enough pot calling kettle black. Villagers kill villagers all the time and have bad reads. That's the basis of your case against me, which I think is weak.

OTOH, I'm pointing out real deficiencies in play where you put things on thread that do nothing for village but could help wolves.

At some point when someone is willingfully doing that enough, you have to call it out.

And it doesn't matter if I'm doing something and say someone else is doing it and it's wolfy. That's the logical fallacy about hypocrisy I'm always talking about.

You're never going to get me to back down when it comes to talking theory so it's best not to even try.

Honestly though, tinfoiling and theory is where I shine. I have a very mechanical mind and I feel like this particular game rewards that in some way.
you’re welcome to call me out, but to be honest you calling what I worked so hard to do a wolfy plot kind of stung me and felt like you were minimizing my critical thinking skills.

what I’ve put on thread this far I think helps village. It’s either knowledge about my own role I want to make public or knowledge about someone else that they asked me to make public. I’ll be honest, I told pretty much dubz everything but she was upfront about her role from day 1 and it made sense. I chose to trust her if the wolves unlocked the kill me cheat code to have information I had . Otherwise all information provided by others hasn’t be shared. It kind of made me mad that you insisted I was putting everything everyone told me on thread or throughout all my PMs.

 

[Crayola227]

@samac how the heck did it not come up earlier that Mayo is restricted?

This is a big deal because we need to figure out if it's possible for 2 people at the same time or if one is faking.

I highly doubt there's two abilities that can do this. It could be an ability and an item, or 2 items. But you don't see that kind of thing often, and unlike Bioshock I don't see this game having a lot of items that mimic abilities.

 

[samac]

@samac how the heck did it not come up earlier that Mayo is restricted?

This is a big deal because we need to figure out if it's possible for 2 people at the same time or if one is faking.

I highly doubt there's two abilities that can do this. It could be an ability and an item, or 2 items. But you don't see that kind of thing often, and unlike Bioshock I don't see this game having a lot of items that mimic abilities.

I don’t think mayo is restricted.

 

[Crayola227]

Honestly though, tinfoiling and theory is where I shine. I have a very mechanical mind and I feel like this particular game rewards that in some way.
you’re welcome to call me out, but to be honest you calling what I worked so hard to do a wolfy plot kind of stung me and felt like you were minimizing my critical thinking skills.

what I’ve put on thread this far I think helps village. It’s either knowledge about my own role I want to make public or knowledge about someone else that they asked me to make public. I’ll be honest, I told pretty much dubz everything but she was upfront about her role from day 1 and it made sense. I chose to trust her if the wolves unlocked the kill me cheat code to have information I had . Otherwise all information provided by others hasn’t be shared. It kind of made me mad that you insisted I was putting everything everyone told me on thread or throughout all my PMs.

Honestly I've probably been too hard on you, and if you're village (lol) I'll be pretty impressed with your gamesolving. Gotta admit though, a wolf plot on that level would be pretty amazing too, so please don't be insulted.

I have the opposite ability, I don't shine with mechanics, instead I am able to theorize how anyone could be anyone else's packmate no matter what mechanics are in play. It hasn't been useful this game lol.

 

[Crayola227]

#### unyeet stagg ####

### yeet mayo ####

For messing with me this late at night.

 

[Crayola227]

a bunch of righties with no matches.
too many people not talking. but of those who have, i want to put shorty, docE, AM, cray, April as more village.

In hindsight this reads like a very safe list for a wolf to post

 

[Crayola227]

Idk maybe some stuff will happen overnight. Even if one of the two is a wolf, there are still others out there and I don’t think all the attention needs to be focused on either/or with AM and Finn.

Gently steering away from Finn?

 

[Crayola227]

if we're going to spend 2 yeets on finn vs. AM like samac wants, a vig would really help cut down that time.

Ah but would she really have tempted the vig to shoot a wolf? Maybe. Then claimed cred like she was helping?

 

[Crayola227]

A fat furry creature in a funny hat threw me in jail last night, which kind of sounds like the sheriff of Nottingham... shook me down for coins first too. But if it is, does that mean a villager tried to kill me?

Not just this post, but others, feel village though.

I don't know, the ISO of genny isn't really helping.

I may be wrong. Wrong about everything.

I'm gonna go back to rereading.

 

[samac]

Honestly I've probably been too hard on you, and if you're village (lol) I'll be pretty impressed with your gamesolving. Gotta admit though, a wolf plot on that level would be pretty amazing too, so please don't be insulted.

I have the opposite ability, I don't shine with mechanics, instead I am able to theorize how anyone could be anyone else's packmate no matter what mechanics are in play. It hasn't been useful this game lol.

If I was a wolf and came up with this plot to tinfoil actively on thread for the equivalent of almost 2 weeks I would be impressed with myself. I’ll keep it in mind for the future I guess but right now I’m just a villager who’s super excited for her game solving ability to work for once and Super frustrated to be minimized as sharing tmi on thread or as a deep plot that I wouldn’t agree to because it’s against my fundamental views on bussing.

good night cray. I look forward to seeing everything on genny in the AM

 

[Crayola227]

Or multiple packs.

Planting mutiple pack paranoia.

 

[Crayola227]

No, the shot was a separate action.

Genny answered questions about the night actions in a weird way that made it unclear if she was talking about one or two. Confused me at the time. I saw it and noted it as weird, and maybe fishy, like fishing for PRs, knowing the vig might want to correct her that the jailing action was separate from the shot.

 

[Crayola227]

Yeah, the jailing is why I’m still here. But that ability isn’t inherently wolfy or village.

Subtle defense of jailer?

 

[Crayola227]

i might be tunneling. or i might be on to something. i'm not sure which one it is yet.

Vagueness about her second vote on Zenge

 

[Crayola227]

yeet finn

Is she just trying to make her VCA better by getting some early votes on packmates?

 

[Crayola227]

i don't like this post. it's disingenuous. mkg was asked to comment on the people up for the vote, which is why the analysis was fairly limited.

Pointing out a post Zenge had on mkg - so attacking Z and defending mkg.

I agreed with the disingenuous apprasial that was wrong. Hope Zenge learns not to stretch things as much to make his cases in the future.

 

[Crayola227]

That was a genuine misunderstanding of what you said. I actually had to go look at the wagons after your post because it was so damn misleading.

This

 

[Crayola227]

That Samac would break the tie, and she was voting Visc.


Yes. I have previously stated that I think wolves can have class modifiers like royal. I was asking Ms P a question to make her think more about the royal designation, since she seemed to think SAR was killed for that reason only. Your question looks like you're trying to point things out and appear village, but had a definite lack of thread awareness.

Sometimes wolves can't help themselves and end up correcting village on certain things. Like that wolves can be royal and why SAR was killed.

 

[Crayola227]

ATTN: I think you may be overstating things.

If you look at Zenge's post, he was tearing up mkg and sunny.

 

[Crayola227]

Because you are?
Sunny's not asking for village credit for listing mkg as a wolf, she's calling you out on your reads of both her and mkg as wolfy together, when she's wolf reading mkg. Why would you assert that she's asking for village credit for a flip that hasn't happened when she clearly isn't doing that? Why are you twisting words to shade her?

More

 

[Crayola227]

why?

Concerj re capri voting mkg

 

[holdthemayo]

#### unyeet stagg ####

### yeet mayo ####

For messing with me this late at night.

You do me wrong, my tale is not yet done!

For sirs, take no offence of me I pray,

It may not, though you wish, happen this way;

Ours is the voice whose decision is at hand,

And the judge’s judgement you must stand;

 

[Crayola227]

Who was Zenge PMing?

Noting this

 

[Crayola227]

we should yeet him for it

unyeet mkg
yeet bread

This was kinda weird. She moved there after SP pointed out that Bread might not make it to thread.

 

[Crayola227]

F

did anyone not have their action canceled last night?

Fishing?

 

[Crayola227]

finn, sunshine, alissa, sporty, dubz, cyndia, LIS is where I'm at right now. More wolfy to less wolfy (but still wolfy).

Here I'm trying to get info to plan my shot. And she has alissa in top 3, which factored into my decision since I was heavily reading genny village at the time. Read the next post

 

[Crayola227]

Because we've had a long long long long long time to think about this. If we can't reach a decision in the next few hours, what's another 24 going to do?

This also played into my timing.

 

[Crayola227]

i don't understand why you're bothered by it. you were voting alissa.

Then this and read the next post

 

[Crayola227]

Alissa would not have been my first choice. Or my second. Or the third, probably.

But she literally was her 3rd choice! Total 180. Struck me at the time.

Feels like she's trying to manipulate my shots on thread. When it killed a villager, she distanced herself.

 

[Crayola227]

Eh, still really paranoid of genny, but the re-read has me less than convinced she's wolf.

 

[Crayola227]

Okay, but if you had to pick a couple of wolves, whose the top of the list?



I'm not following what you mean, can you clarify this or quote the posts where you did?

Stagg was pushing alley from the start. But maybe just for show? And picking on a noob?

 

[Crayola227]

About to see a new pt (90minute appt), so will be back later. How many games have Zenge, and MKG played before?




Thanks, was curious what the actual vote tally was.

Wonder if fake question and why he asked

 

[Crayola227]

This tone pings frustrated villager hardcore for me. I think shorty, tone-wise sounds very village this cycle but this post in particular.

Wondering if SP would really have been this impressed.

 

[Cyndia]

I will be really sad if genny is a wolf because of how much we pmed earlier.

 

[PippyPony]

Day 6 - BeWWare the JabberWWock - Vote Tally

Stagg (7) - genny, alley, cyndia, barks, sporty, mayo, dina
Alley (0) -
Capri (0) -
genny (0) -
Sporty (1) - stagg
Cray (0) -
Ms P (2) - samac, LIS
Mayo (1) - cray

@Stagg737 you are in the lead
11/13 players voting
Voting ends in ~12 hours

 

[Stagg737]

How do you feel about shorty/mayo now?

Huh? Mayo is in the YMCA? Is that a grocery store? Do they have ketchup and mustard too?

Stagg was pushing alley from the start. But maybe just for show? And picking on a noob?

"Call me beautiful, so original, telling me I'm not like other girls"

 

[Stagg737]

Is she just trying to make her VCA better by getting some early votes on packmates?

VCA? What's that? Virgin Children's Association? What? Do I want to join? Do I qualify for that? I do!?! Do I get a membership card or something? Huh? Admin will give me a badge with my name and job on it tomorrow? Can I wear it tomorrow morning? Yea? Okay. Can't wait!

 

[Stagg737]

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"Call me beautiful, so original, telling me I'm not like other girls"

Not game related, but my home comp has Grammarly and when I wrote this it had a blushing smiley face and said the tone was "joyful", lol

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[genny]

I don’t think mayo is restricted.

I think he just likes to role play.

 

[genny]

Idk, how much of a cluster/waffle-fest do you want tonight to be?

Also, I am 100% fine with a Finn flip and would strongly support this with a real push on Alley tomorrow. It would provide by far the most info. The point I'm trying to get across is that I'm a terrible choice for a vote and that we should all very strongly be considering Finn vs. Alley tonight for #reasons. I'd prefer not to elaborate more at this time, but I will use the subtlety of a sledgehammer if needed.



Whatever gave you that impression? I am about as certain of Alley as I am of Finn. However I'm 100% certain that keeping a Stagg wagon much longer is going to be a huge waste and that we need to be discussing Alley v Finn right now.

Think real hard about why I wouldn't need to self-prez. I'll give you a hint: I don't have an vote avoidance.

And no, Alley was not an arbitrary choice. That would be incredibly bad play.

There is a different reason that it would be very dumb to vote for me and that self-prez wouldn't matter.

Stagg, if you're actually village, it would make sense to give us your #reasons for Alley. And why you're not voting there today.
And why you're such a terrible vote. If you're village, why would you want us to waste 36 hours on a stagnant vote when we could be questioning "the real wolves"?

 

[SportPonies]

Wondering if SP would really have been this impressed.

As opposed to?
If there’s context to this, I haven’t yet read it because I jumped straight to this quote notification

 

[alleycat03]

Ok. Because assuming the candy is still doing the same thing I'm about to go radio silent.

Am I the only one who thinks LIS is a weird target for the candy? He’s not very active because of his work schedule, so I don’t get why the wolves would want to silence him.

Cray, did you know DubZ was tracker?
@alleycat03 did you know DubZ was tracker?
Bite me.

I did not know that, because Dubz and I didn’t role reveal to each other, though we did trust each other and I was reading her as village as we talked about the game. Most of our PMs were about PhDs and research though.

Um, no. If she has a mod-given cover role she's not worried it's in the game. If the wolves had to fend for themselves with a fake role, maybe, but her point stands. Not wanting to tell you her role is NAI, it just means she is intelligent.

Mods give cover roles??? Do you just have to ask nicely for them? Because I remember us coming up with our own cover roles in wolf chat in Bioshock and mine sucked, I just never got a chance to share it because I was yeeted while I was silenced.

 

[capri1722]

hi friends, am working until an hour before close tonight so i won't be able to check in most of today

just gonna drop my vote here...

vote stagg

but i'm also interested in mayo, sporty, cray, and msp (not in any particular order)

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Mods give cover roles??? Do you just have to ask nicely for them? Because I remember us coming up with our own cover roles in wolf chat in Bioshock and mine sucked, I just never got a chance to share it because I was yeeted while I was silenced.

Some mods do

 

[Barkley13]

I will be around more this afternoon once I'm finished at work. That's when you'll get my updated, updated wolf reads.

right now my POE is Stagg, Capri, MsP, Sporty


###Yeet Stagg###

Any updates on these updated reads?

 

[PippyPony]

Day 6 - BeWWare the JabberWWock - Vote Tally

Stagg (8) - genny, alley, cyndia, barks, sporty, mayo, dina, capri
Alley (0) -
Capri (0) -
genny (0) -
Sporty (1) - stagg
Cray (0) -
Ms P (2) - samac, LIS
Mayo (1) - cray

@Stagg737 you are in the lead
12/13 players voting
Voting ends in 9.5 hours

 

[PippyPony]

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I've been typing 14 players for 6 pages and no one noticed...

Tallies should be fixed now, including a couple with incorrect vote counts
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[PippyPony]

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[WildZoo]

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[genny]

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