England - Game Thread

[PippyPony]

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Also there are "sanities." A sane seer will get results that make sense, a villager will seer as villager and a wolf will be wolf. An insane one, results are the opposite. A paranoid seer will get a wolf result on everyone. There's more variations. Some of them it's possible to figure out the pattern and others it isn't.

Going to come right out and say you will never see this nonsense in one of my games.
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[SportPonies]

honestly I’m in a tunnel I can’t see the light out of

Ew

 

[SportPonies]

You gotta yeet me because I’m weird? I’m always weird.
feels weird you’re insisting on yeeting me because the wolves can’t kill me. But cool bro, say you have to yeet a villager.

I do want to mention this given some folks think I’m more sus now a days, and this is directed at you DubZ, if I was a wolf why would mkg open a pm with me? She would already have a line of communication with me and then pocket me in it. I don’t even understand lol

I definitely opened a PM with MJ in the Dogs game when we were both wolves....

 

[PippyPony]

Day 4 - The Black Server Death Descends - Vote Tally

Finn (7) - Mayo, samac, alley, cyndia, genny, stagg, docE
Sunshine (6) - Dubz, barks, dina, LIS, AM, finn
Dubz (0) -
Mayo (0) -
Crayola (0) -
Samac (1) - sporty

SDN (2) - Ms P, alleycat

@finnickthedog you are in the lead
14/18 players voting
voting closes in < 1.5 hours

 

[Barkley13]

if I was a wolf why would mkg open a pm with me? She would already have a line of communication with me and then pocket me in it. I don’t even understand lol

It’s easier than talking with a villager, to look like she’s village by talking to the PM, there wasn’t really a PM, for funsies etc etc

 

[sunshinefl]

Well I find myself agreeing with almost everything barks says except voting for me for some reason.

 

[samac]

Ew

Hey, if she flips village I’ll feel bad. As I already said her reveal is convincing and I’m conflicted If she flips wolf I’ll rub it in for the rest of game.
That’s where I’m at right now.

I definitely opened a PM with MJ in the Dogs game when we were both wolves....

Definitely not a thought I would have ever had, but that’s interesting. Seems like a waste of resources.

 

[SportPonies]

Unyeet samac
Yeet sunshine

I don’t really have time to sit around for the next hour and a half because I have a billion assignments to do. Finn has not sounded wolfy, the sheriff thing is dumb, and we’re fools if we yeet our rezzer.

I’m not convinced that sunshine is a wolf either but I don’t have time to pull village quotes and finish comparing.

 

[WildZoo]

I'll always open a PM with a wolf partner if I can, however I think in this scenario where you only get to pick one person, seems like it would be a waste for a wolf to use it on another wolf. We don't know 100% that mkg didn't actually open a PM with someone else but it wasn't mentioned by anyone when she was being voted off so I think that's unlikely.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Well I find myself agreeing with almost everything barks says except voting for me for some reason.

Like what?

 

[capri1722]

I think the write up from the other day's shot did enough to suggest James Bond, and then here again. I am Bond, James Bond. 007. License to kill.

I was BSing about a noob shooter just to throw the wolves off until I could use my last shot. But the part where I said maybe this will teach you all a lesson about vigilantes was real. I wasn't trying to teach you all a lesson on purpose, I was trying to be a hero, but you know, my reads can't be good every game.

I think the level of participation from Sunny and Finn being higher than Alissa also doesn't make it the worst choice on the board. We won't know until Finn and/or Sunny flip how bad a choice it really was.

Also I think I've proven that I could shoot anytime of day. I am confirming genny's claim of being shot at N1, and no one else is countering my claim.

Given that I had that choice, I could have hidden my shots at night and never claimed them. I didn't have to take village direction in this last shot. I think if I was trying to hurt village on purpose there were other moves I could have made.

If you all want to be pissed about me shooting Zenge, like, OK, whatever. But Alissa was a top wagon for like a million hours so you only have yourselves to blame for that.

I think this makes your last shot WIFOMy as heck, particularly after the scrutiny the vig would have been under after the Zenge shot.

 

[SportPonies]

Hey, if she flips village I’ll feel bad. As I already said her reveal is convincing and I’m conflicted If she flips wolf I’ll rub it in for the rest of game.
That’s where I’m at right now.

Definitely not a thought I would have ever had, but that’s interesting. Seems like a waste of resources.

I just cannot begin to see you as village when you knowingly buckle down on a tunnel and refuse to see anything else until she’s dead.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Where the heck is @Ms Procrastinator

It's in my member window thing. I'm in hell

 

[PippyPony]

Day 4 - The Black Server Death Descends - Vote Tally

Finn (7) - Mayo, samac, alley, cyndia, genny, stagg, docE
Sunshine (7) - Dubz, barks, dina, LIS, AM, finn, sporty
Dubz (0) -
Mayo (0) -
Crayola (0) -
Samac (0) -

SDN (2) - Ms P, alleycat

@finnickthedog @sunshinefl you are tied
14/18 players voting
voting closes in ~ 1 hour

 

[samac]

I just cannot begin to see you as village when you knowingly buckle down on a tunnel and refuse to see anything else until she’s dead.

I don’t think I refused to see anything else and acknowledged I was fine with a sunny flip?

 

[WildZoo]

I just cannot begin to see you as village when you knowingly buckle down on a tunnel and refuse to see anything else until she’s dead.

Hmmm

 

[Crayola227]

You gotta yeet me because I’m weird? I’m always weird.
feels weird you’re insisting on yeeting me because the wolves can’t kill me. But cool bro, say you have to yeet a villager.

I do want to mention this given some folks think I’m more sus now a days, and this is directed at you DubZ, if I was a wolf why would mkg open a pm with me? She would already have a line of communication with me and then pocket me in it. I don’t even understand lol

No it's more like as time goes on it will be hard to believe wolves haven't wanted to NK you, so you will become an egg to crack for many reasons.

 

[samac]

No it's more like as time goes on it will be hard to believe wolves haven't wanted to NK you, so you will become an egg to crack for many reasons.

They can keep trying.

 

[Stagg737]

I'm never critical enough of AM, have admitted that, and have told people not to trust my read of her and to use their own brains because I have a blind spot there. I don't see how this is relevant to the conversation we were having since I was village in Orchestra and in the post I was responding to here you said you would be voting for me.

I felt it was likely that either you or AM was a wolf, and if AM flips wolf I'd feel better about you as it would make me feel better about you sheeping/trusting AM on some things like in Orchestra.

He was right about mkg, so it only makes sense to me to flip sunny now.

Not really? This seems like extremely poor reasoning to place a vote there now. II agree that it seems like a great reason to bring Zenge back though.

I'm really surprised @Animal Midwife isn't giving @samac any grief about how the best wolf hunting is done by posts on thread, not mechanics or outting what you've learned by PM.

Unless AM is just loving this play from samac.

This has really been bothering me. So many things that AM has just not commented on that she has previously screamed about regularly in the past. AM and Finn has both been sus to me, so I've been humoring Samac's mechanics foil because it's not unreasonable and both are flips I'd like to see.

 

[SportPonies]

I don’t think I refused to see anything else and acknowledged I was fine with a sunny flip?

You’ve been stuck on Finn for days and the fact this conversation will not stop until she’s dead is what’s driving me batty.

I really dislike the whole yeeting to crack an egg nonsense, and your fixation on this sheriff character needing to be either x or y has basically forced us to the point of revealing an important PR.

 

[Stagg737]

@Stagg737 What do your reads look like currently?

Let's start here:

Unexecute Finn
Execute AM

 

[Animal Midwife]

Let's start here:

Unexecute Finn
Execute AM

How does it feel to be on a losing wolf team?

 

[samac]

You’ve been stuck on Finn for days and the fact this conversation will not stop until she’s dead is what’s driving me batty.

I really dislike the whole yeeting to crack an egg nonsense, and your fixation on this sheriff character needing to be either x or y has basically forced us to the point of revealing an important PR.

If she flips what she claims you’re right, it was an important PR. I’m not sure if I swallow everything though given the “oh night 4 is the night” and part of me worried that there’s a wolf rezzer and they’ve agreed to let her take credit. Unfortunately it’s hard for me to not be skeptical at this point. Especially after I was fooled by MKG.

 

[PippyPony]

Day 4 - The Black Server Death Descends - Vote Tally

Finn (6) - Mayo, samac, alley, cyndia, genny, docE
Sunshine (7) - Dubz, barks, dina, LIS, AM, finn, sporty
Dubz (0) -
Mayo (0) -
Crayola (0) -
Samac (0) -
AM (1) - stagg

SDN (2) - Ms P, alleycat

@sunshinefl you are in the lead
14/18 players voting
voting closes in ~ 1 hour

 

[Crayola227]

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Going to come right out and say you will never see this nonsense in one of my games.
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Fair enough. Although there was a ninja wolf, and there are other things like item decoys, unseerable wolf, that can reduce the power of normal seers.

 

[LetItSnow]

##### unyeet mayo ####

I don't know what to do.

Do you need me to tell you?

 

[sunshinefl]

You gotta yeet me because I’m weird? I’m always weird.
feels weird you’re insisting on yeeting me because the wolves can’t kill me. But cool bro, say you have to yeet a villager.

I do want to mention this given some folks think I’m more sus now a days, and this is directed at you DubZ, if I was a wolf why would mkg open a pm with me? She would already have a line of communication with me and then pocket me in it. I don’t even understand lol

It’s easier than talking with a villager, to look like she’s village by talking to the PM, there wasn’t really a PM, for funsies etc etc

Like what?

Like this most recently. She always answers with good reasoning that everyone seems to miss.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Like this most recently. She always answers with good reasoning that everyone seems to miss.

Anything else?

 

[capri1722]

don’t feed the tinfoiler.
I will fully admit though I don’t know why Sar would have been in the north and your comment made me think royals were randomly distributed separate from us commoners.

Spoiler

Not to feed the tinfoiler even more, but I agree with the royals being randomly distributed thing, if all other players are located wherever makes the most sense. If they weren't randomly distributed, they'd probably all just be in London, which is boring and a little game-breaking.
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Specifically, why are you wolf reading Finn? Because the tone here hust

Just checking, was this supposed to say something more?

 

[Stagg737]

I also don't see what she's outted as being inherently harmful.

I thought Zenge might provide info on Sunny or mkg, but I wasn't looking to flip them because I personally wasn't wolf reading them. Not sure this answers your question.

What info were you hoping to gain then? I'll take the cliff notes version since Idk what relevant info you'd get that wouldn't lean them more heavily as wolves.

This is bad and you should feel bad. I have ability claimed. Why are you rushing to put a vote in before you get caught up? Do you think the vote is going somewhere? Or are you just not planning to catch up?

I mean, an ability claim that's not verifiable immediately doesn't really help. I am willing to give you an extra day to prove yourself. We also have no guarantee that the rez would come back village. You and I know this better than most (Colorado...cringe). I'm trying to give my thought process as I'm reading for more transparency and for the sake of me not mixing things up.

don’t feed the tinfoiler.
I will fully admit though I don’t know why Sar would have been in the north and your comment made me think royals were randomly distributed separate from us commoners.

Spoiler

Queen Elizabeth II was born in the north (York). I'm starting to buy into at least the aspect of locations being relevant to roles. I also think this is something Pippy would do.

I can't think of a reason why AM would put an early vote on a wolf partner, it just doesn't fit with her meta

The bold is the answer to the underlined. This is exactly why I hate relying on metas. Good players can manipulate them easily.

I don't understand what you're reading village about Stagg.

Per usual, you wouldn't.

 

[Crayola227]

AM it's been Stagg's posts

 

[finnickthedog]

I mean, an ability claim that's not verifiable immediately doesn't really help. I am willing to give you an extra day to prove yourself. We also have no guarantee that the rez would come back village. You and I know this better than most (Colorado...cringe). I'm trying to give my thought process as I'm reading for more transparency and for the sake of me not mixing things up.

You wouldn't be the first person to disregard the claim in this game, but I think what bothered me about that vote was that you hadn't even read that far and yet were rushing to chuck out a vote anyways because...?

 

[Animal Midwife]

AM it's been Stagg's posts

But what about them? His VCA's been terrible and his pushes are equally bad.

 

[Crayola227]

What info were you hoping to gain then? I'll take the cliff notes version since Idk what relevant info you'd get that wouldn't lean them more heavily as wolves.



I mean, an ability claim that's not verifiable immediately doesn't really help. I am willing to give you an extra day to prove yourself. We also have no guarantee that the rez would come back village. You and I know this better than most (Colorado...cringe). I'm trying to give my thought process as I'm reading for more transparency and for the sake of me not mixing things up.



Queen Elizabeth II was born in the north (York). I'm starting to buy into at least the aspect of locations being relevant to roles. I also think this is something Pippy would do.



The bold is the answer to the underlined. This is exactly why I hate relying on metas. Good players can manipulate them easily.



Per usual, you wouldn't.

I don't know. I thought a flip of either Zenge or sunny or mkg would help get data on the remaining 2 or on their relative backers/attackers. That's all. I'm not a genius when it comes to pack dynamics. Looks like it worked because after Zenge people sussed mkg more and got her yeeted.

 

[Crayola227]

#### yeet Sunshine ####

Just not ready to flip Finn yet.

 

[PippyPony]

Day 4 - The Black Server Death Descends - Vote Tally

Finn (6) - Mayo, samac, alley, cyndia, genny, docE
Sunshine (8) - Dubz, barks, dina, LIS, AM, finn, sporty, cray
Dubz (0) -
Mayo (0) -
Crayola (0) -
Samac (0) -
AM (1) - stagg

SDN (2) - Ms P, alleycat

@sunshinefl you are in the lead
15/18 players voting
voting closes in ~ 1 hour

 

[samac]

What info were you hoping to gain then? I'll take the cliff notes version since Idk what relevant info you'd get that wouldn't lean them more heavily as wolves.



I mean, an ability claim that's not verifiable immediately doesn't really help. I am willing to give you an extra day to prove yourself. We also have no guarantee that the rez would come back village. You and I know this better than most (Colorado...cringe). I'm trying to give my thought process as I'm reading for more transparency and for the sake of me not mixing things up.



Queen Elizabeth II was born in the north (York). I'm starting to buy into at least the aspect of locations being relevant to roles. I also think this is something Pippy would do.



The bold is the answer to the underlined. This is exactly why I hate relying on metas. Good players can manipulate them easily.



Per usual, you wouldn't.

She was born in London, but her wikepida page says she was born princess of York?
don’t feed the tinfoil pls. People are getting real tired of it lol

 

[sunshinefl]

Anything else?

Y’all are trying to kill me in 33 minutes but I should take the time to point out every time a player voting for me made good sense?

 

[Cyndia]

I’m mulling over Finn’s claim. I agree that it’s just... a little convenient on the timing? So I keep going back on forth on how believable it is. I hate to say it but I’m kind of buying into the location ties thing. As far as I’m aware, no one has refuted it?

 

[samac]

I’m mulling over Finn’s claim. I agree that it’s just... a little convenient on the timing? So I keep going back on forth on how believable it is. I hate to say it but I’m kind of buying into the location ties thing. As far as I’m aware, no one has refuted it?

Correct. It was only DocE who recanted today.

 

[Cyndia]

The other thing bugging me is that so far the roles seem to fit the abilities? I don’t know how Jane Eyre would remotely match a rez.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Y’all are trying to kill me in 33 minutes but I should take the time to point out every time a player voting for me made good sense?

I mean, you're not voting for or otherwise saying who you're suspecting, so I figured I'd gather the interactions I can.

 

[Stagg737]

Just checking, was this supposed to say something more?

Yes, lol. It's been updated.

You wouldn't be the first person to disregard the claim in this game, but I think what bothered me about that vote was that you hadn't even read that far and yet were rushing to chuck out a vote anyways because...?

Because I wanted my thought process on thread and also did not expect a role reveal before I could catch up.

I don't know. I thought a flip of either Zenge or sunny or mkg would help get data on the remaining 2 or on their relative backers/attackers. That's all. I'm not a genius when it comes to pack dynamics. Looks like it worked because after Zenge people sussed mkg more and got her yeeted.

I mean, this seems like a pretty arbitrary reason and if that was the reason people were looking at MKG it was the wrong one.

She was born in London, but her wikepida page says she was born princess of York?
don’t feed the tinfoil pls. People are getting real tired of it lol

I'm leaving it for now, as I have previously. I do think the location aspect is still worth looking into as we progress.

 

[DocEspana]

Unyeet samac
Yeet sunshine

I don’t really have time to sit around for the next hour and a half because I have a billion assignments to do. Finn has not sounded wolfy, the sheriff thing is dumb, and we’re fools if we yeet our rezzer.

I’m not convinced that sunshine is a wolf either but I don’t have time to pull village quotes and finish comparing.

Sport ponies is remarkably suspicious for being a wolf. ( before this comment) Remember this vote if Finn ends up being a wolf because this is sport pony making sure Finn doesn't get voted out

Also applies to crayola placing her vote now too (assuming Finn is a wolf and not that both of the above are totally right to go for sunshine) I can honestly see sunshine being one but it's less like than Finn how that they've given what appear to be a pretty bad identity claim. Jane Eyre seems a bit of an odd fit for the roles we've seen so far. JMHO.

 

[capri1722]

In case anyone wants this updated with Alissa's flip...

Spoiler: VCA Tallies

Prime Minister Tally

SAR - Dubz, SAR, April, AM, vetmedhead, zenge, samac, supershorty, finn
Ms P - Ms P, barkley, genny
Samac - mkg323, Telemarketing, bread
Shorty - dina, sporty
DocE - DocE, viscernable, crayola, alissa, cyndia, LIS, sunshine
capri1722 - capri1722

Absent: alley, stagg, bob

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Prime Minister Prime Tally

Samac - Zenge, crayola, shorty, samac, telemarketing, mkg, cyndia, doc e, sar, finn
Ms P - sunshine, genny, barkley, AM, ms p, capri, dubz

Visc voted Samac after vote close

Absent: bread, alissa, alley, LIS, april, visc, vmh, stagg, dina, bob, sporty

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Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (3) - alissa, TME, SAR
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (2) - finn, capri
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
DocE (6) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty, mkg
April (6) - Dubz, MsP, samac, Bread, DocE, Visc
Shorty (1) - stagg
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw
sunshine (3) - LIS, VMH, Barks
MKG () -
Stagg (1) - AM
samac () -
Visc (1) - Cyndia
SAR (1) - Sporty

Cray switched from Zenge to April after vote close

Absent: none

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Day Two - Keep Calm and WW On - Vote Tally

AM (1) - bobloblaw
Alissa (1) - stagg
Zenge (1) - Cray
Bobloblaw (1) - Ms P
Viscernable (7) - cyndia, capri, sunshine, sporty, mkg, samac, finn
Sunshine (1) - LIS
DocEspana (1) - Mayo
Dina (1) - dubz
Finn (2) - genny, alley
MKG (7) - barks, zenge, AM, dina, bread, DocE, visc
Capri (1) - alissa

Absent: shorty

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Day 3 - Am I Sitting in a Tin Can - Vote Tally

Bread (6) - mkg, AM, sporty, dubz, Ms P, alissa
Sunshine (2) - DocE, LIS
MKG (7) - Dina, capri, barks, Stagg, Cyndia, mayo, crayola
Barks (1) - Bobloblaw
Finn (3) - samac, alley, genny
LIS (1) - Sunshine
Capri (1) - Finn

Absent: bread

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Day 4 - The Black Server Death Descends - Vote Tally (PRE-VIG)

Finn (3) - Mayo, samac, alley
Sunshine (4) - Dubz, barks, dina, LIS, alissa
Alissa (3) - AM, stagg, sporty
Dubz (1) - genny
Mayo (1) - cray
Crayola (1) - DocE

SDN (1) - Ms P

Absent: MsP (kinda), Finn, Capri, Cyndia, Sunshine

 

[sunshinefl]

I mean, you're not voting for or otherwise saying who you're suspecting, so I figured I'd gather the interactions I can.

My strongest suspects are gone. LIS, Dina, and Capri would be my next ones up. Looks like I’ll have to self prez onto Finn though. And no one is even making a case against me to respond to. And so far every yeet has gone down despite the person defending themselves. So maybe I just don’t really care and Id rather just enjoy dinner with my husband.

 

[Cyndia]

View attachment 334175


"For England, James?" said Trevelyn

"No. For me."

Dead is

Spoiler: alissa14

ANNE BOLEYN

It is still...somehow...Day 4.​

LONDON

@samac​

@holdthemayo​

@alleycat03​

@LetItSnow​

@Ms Procrastinator​

@WildZoo​

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YORKSHIRE & THE NORTH

@Animal Midwife​

@finnickthedog​

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OXFORD & CAMBRIDGE

@DocEspana​

@Stagg737​

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CORNWALL

@capri1722​

@Barkley13​

@Dinashadow​

@genny​

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PARTS UNKNOWN

@SportPonies​

@Cyndia​

@Crayola227​

@sunshinefl​

AVALON

@Aprilthearab - Robin Hood, item thief​

@SARdoghandler - Lilibet ​

@TelemarketingEnigma - Margaret Thatcher, 2x executioner​

@vetmedhead - William Shakespeare, write up modifier​

@Viscernable - Sir Isaac Newton, physical action redirector​

@Zenge142 - Alan Turing, cryptanalyst​

@mkg323 - Jack the Ripper, ninja ladyseer wolf​

@BobLoblaw78 - Queen Victoria​

@The_Breadmann - Winston Churchill, heavy vote​

@alissa14 - Anne Boleyn​

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IT IS STILL DAY FOUR. ​

18 PLAYERS REMAIN.​

VOTING WILL CLOSE AT 9PM TOMORROW NIGHT.​

On my phone so my quote didn’t post with my last post, but look at the roles list. Aside from the royals who have nothing listed, everything else vaguely fits the character.

I’ll admit I never read Jane Eyre, so if someone can explain a reason go for it, but from googling the synopsis I don’t know how a rez would vaguely connect to her. Idk, I’m going back and forth but I’m leaning towards staying on Finn at this point.

 

[Stagg737]

But what about them? His VCA's been terrible and his pushes are equally bad.

Really? Funny to hear this coming from you. May want to look at your own VCA before criticizing mine 🤣

 

[finnickthedog]

The other thing bugging me is that so far the roles seem to fit the abilities? I don’t know how Jane Eyre would remotely match a rez.

I still didn't read the book so I can't help you on this. Apparently I have compassion for others due to my hard start in life.

As to your other comment, I didn't fully out my ability before today so I can't address the fact that it sounds convenient now. I did allude to MsP that I was important in PM a couple days ago because it seemed like I was getting a lot of heat close to deadline and I was worrying about last minute wafflefests, but I wasn't really on the chopping block so it seemed far too soon to say everything. Not that MsP is really here anyways so it wouldn't have mattered if I had.

 

[Animal Midwife]

My strongest suspects are gone. LIS, Dina, and Capri would be my next ones up. Looks like I’ll have to self prez onto Finn though. And no one is even making a case against me to respond to. And so far every yeet has gone down despite the person defending themselves. So maybe I just don’t really care and Id rather just enjoy dinner with my husband.

We've flipped literally one wolf (last cycle no less) and you're giving up?