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[SportPonies]

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Breadsticks and Apocalypse

Thanks

now can you elaborate on your hm

 

[samac]

Thornfield Hall, Derbyshire or something I'd have to actually check the PM. I didn't because I'm at the store right now and I didn't commit the thing to memory.

Are you trying to villager code or something right now? I hope I'm wrong, because that's crap play. Between that and the looking at people's last seen earlier in this game... if I was modding some people would be getting shin kickings.

Appreciate the clarification.
I also started at a fictional place but it had a real place associated with it, that’s why I asked.

you’re right, it would be in the north.

 

[finnickthedog]

Appreciate the clarification.
I also started at a fictional place but it had a real place associated with it, that’s why I asked.

you’re right, it would be in the north.

I inferred what further information you were looking for. What I'm not sure of is whether you were seeking that clarification in order to attempt village code or because you don't know how to figure out whether the location is North. Though tbh I straight up just googled "Jane Eyre setting" and it said Northern England and I was like "kthx". Never bothered specifically looking up Derbyshire or wherever.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Thanks

now can you elaborate on your hm

That vote feels like the first bite of a lemonhead.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Thornfield Hall, Derbyshire or something I'd have to actually check the PM. I didn't because I'm at the store right now and I didn't commit the thing to memory.

Are you trying to villager code or something right now? I hope I'm wrong, because that's crap play. Between that and the looking at people's last seen earlier in this game... if I was modding some people would be getting shin kickings.

I don't think asking for a role name is ever village code unless the rules specifically say no flavor claiming. Asking for role description formatting is another thing, but I fail to see how this is out of line.

 

[finnickthedog]

I don't think asking for a role name is ever village code unless the rules specifically say no flavor claiming. Asking for role description formatting is another thing, but I fail to see how this is out of line.

It wasn't the asking for a role name that I thought may have been villager code. It was her prompting me for further description of my location that I interpreted as possible villager code. Like she mentioned in the follow up, she had a real location attached to her fictional one. So was she trying to discern whether mine was formatted the same? If so, that would be villager code.

Whether she was doing it... I don't really know. Which is why I didn't say "you are using villager code" I just questioned it and expressed displeasure IF that was the case.

 

[SportPonies]

That vote feels like the first bite of a lemonhead.

delicious?

I haven't gotten many village feels from samac all game; all she's done is tunnel nonproductively for days.

Edited because my grammar made it sound like tunneling = village

 

[samac]

It wasn't the asking for a role name that I thought may have been villager code. It was her prompting me for further description of my location that I interpreted as possible villager code. Like she mentioned in the follow up, she had a real location attached to her fictional one. So was she trying to discern whether mine was formatted the same? If so, that would be villager code.

Whether she was doing it... I don't really know. Which is why I didn't say "you are using villager code" I just questioned it and expressed displeasure IF that was the case.

I don’t know if I’m doing something specifically against the rules? If I am whoops my bad pippy slap me in my role and I’ll stop.
I’m just trying to see if your fake claiming with how much detail you have in comparison to MKG’s fake claim.
Obviously, I wholeheartedly believe location is important this game.

 

[WildZoo]

delicious?

I haven't gotten many village feels from samac all game; all she's done is tunnel nonproductively for days.

Edited because my grammar made it sound like tunneling = village

How do you know it's non-productive though?
And it's not like she hasn't talked to/about other people as well.
Plus she was silenced for 48 hours.

 

[finnickthedog]

I don’t know if I’m doing something specifically against the rules? If I am whoops my bad pippy slap me in my role and I’ll stop.
I’m just trying to see if your fake claiming with how much detail you have in comparison to MKG’s fake claim.
Obviously, I wholeheartedly believe location is important this game.

If you're trying to figure out how the formatting of my role PM compares to yours and using that to determine whether you think I'm village or not, that would be villager code. I don't know whether that's what you're doing or not, but it seems like you might be.

If you are, is it specifically against the rules? Well no, because this is Pippy's game and she didn't list that as a rule.

But it's cheap play and I don't abide by it. I specifically disallow it all games I run (subject to mod penalties). I also--and I know I'm not the only mod who does this--will either purposely vary the formatting of PMs or give wolves a sample of the villager formatting to render this kind of play useless.

I also felt the instances of using people's last seen against them in this game was cheap as well and as a mod I would instruct any new players who weren't aware of how to turn that off.

But again, not my game so you're free to keep going with it though I probably won't continue entertaining you on principle if that's the road you're going down.

 

[Animal Midwife]

delicious?

I haven't gotten many village feels from samac all game; all she's done is tunnel nonproductively for days.

Edited because my grammar made it sound like tunneling = village

Making my lips curl because I wasn't expecting it.

 

[SportPonies]

How do you know it's non-productive though?
And it's not like she hasn't talked to/about other people as well.
Plus she was silenced for 48 hours.

I'll add her to my ISO list as well to double check, but the "sheriff this, sheriff that" for what felt like 40 pages is basically the only major contribution I remember from her.

 

[samac]

If you're trying to figure out how the formatting of my role PM compares to yours and using that to determine whether you think I'm village or not, that would be villager code. I don't know whether that's what you're doing or not, but it seems like you might be.

If you are, is it specifically against the rules? Well no, because this is Pippy's game and she didn't list that as a rule.

But it's cheap play and I don't abide by it. I specifically disallow it all games I run (subject to mod penalties). I also--and I know I'm not the only mod who does this--will either purposely vary the formatting of PMs or give wolves a sample of the villager formatting to render this kind of play useless.

I also felt the instances of using people's last seen against them in this game was cheap as well and as a mod I would instruct any new players who weren't aware of how to turn that off.

But again, not my game so you're free to keep going with it though I probably won't continue entertaining you on principle if that's the road you're going down.

Not trying to figure out if it’s formatted exactly like like mine, I just have reason to believe everyone has a real place in their role. I’ve gotten way into looking at maps this game.

 

[Stagg737]

Wut. I was village in Orchestra.

Yes, I was referring to the fact that you put your trust in AM because it's AM which significantly hurt village (and led to wolf sweep). I'll admit I suck at reading you, but I'm getting the feeling that you're not being critical enough of AM this game.

Why? Are you wolf reading samac?

She's on the wolfy side of neutral.

 

[samac]

I'll add her to my ISO list as well to double check, but the "sheriff this, sheriff that" for what felt like 40 pages is basically the only major contribution I remember from her.

Honestly it probably is a lot of that because I’m pretty sure it’s a wolf and no one has indulged it and I get stuck on things.
also doesn’t help I was silenced for a full day and never got to discuss MKG like I wanted to.

 

[SportPonies]

Sunshine wolf posts (Breadsticks):

I agree with much of this but it is so hard to judge Kras. I know you have commented in recent games that you haven’t felt her to be a helpful villager, and I asked her to stop being so sketchy when we were both good apples.

Is no one else gonna move?!

I don’t want a tie but don’t feel good about the Mayo wagon

Contingency yeet sporty

She was similarly unhelpful and absent last game when she was my packmate. Of course I couldn’t call her out on it then. But now I can.

^This last one being the post I shot her for

 

[SportPonies]

Honestly it probably is a lot of that because I’m pretty sure it’s a wolf and no one has indulged it and I get stuck on things.
also doesn’t help I was silenced for a full day and never got to discuss MKG like I wanted to.

hmmm.

 

[WildZoo]

Yes, I was referring to the fact that you put your trust in AM because it's AM which significantly hurt village (and led to wolf sweep). I'll admit I suck at reading you, but I'm getting the feeling that you're not being critical enough of AM this game.

I'm never critical enough of AM, have admitted that, and have told people not to trust my read of her and to use their own brains because I have a blind spot there. I don't see how this is relevant to the conversation we were having since I was village in Orchestra and in the post I was responding to here you said you would be voting for me.

 

[finnickthedog]

Not trying to figure out if it’s formatted exactly like like mine, I just have reason to believe everyone has a real place in their role. I’ve gotten way into looking at maps this game.

I feel like that's on the border of villager coding. I guess the question is what would have happen had I told you that my role only said Thornfield Hall? Would you have decided that meant I must be lying? Because if so, I think you're crossing into the villager code/formatting territory.

On the other hand if you were asking because you do assume everyone has a specific location and you just wanted to know what it was but had I said I didn't have one, you wouldn't have considered that a significant factor... then you're definitely not village coding.

 

[WildZoo]

I feel like that's on the border of villager coding. I guess the question is what would have happen had I told you that my role only said Thornfield Hall? Would you have decided that meant I must be lying? Because if so, I think you're crossing into the villager code/formatting territory.

On the other hand if you were asking because you do assume everyone has a specific location and you just wanted to know what it was but had I said I didn't have one, you wouldn't have considered that a significant factor... then you're definitely not village coding.

I'm gonna let samac answer first but I have thoughts

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Stagg737 What do your reads look like currently?

 

[SportPonies]

Sunshine wolf posts (Apocalypse):

oh I def analyze it, but like my reads aren't always accurate.

and then I died. but also I said the same thing last time when we were electing a mayor, to give it to someone who was inactive/not good to avoid accidentally handing more power to a strong wolfy.

see that's the thing. The vets are giving noobs hell for carrying emotional inertia from the toons game, but you guys live off your "meta", friendships, and banter.

I'm starting to feel like people are running for thread class president instead of hunting wolves

I am suspicious of how quiet M935 is being. That’s highly unusual

you know what? Yours is the bad attitude. And I'm not asking a vet to explain. Either they recognize its a team game and try to win together or they don't. I'm also collecting info based on this.

Here is another example of how the noobs are supposed to worship the ground the vets walk on since everyone was asking me earlier.

the scenario is no better because they were wrong about both and let the vote build on a villager, AND killed a villager, resulting in the loss of 2 villagers. how is this not adding up for you? I understand the strategy of that scenario that apparently no one else sees, but either way it resulted in the loss of 2 villagers.

lol so you are one of many I find wolfy and some people I think are village, keep saying you're village. That influences me.

Also, if you recall because of your dynamics with Mel that I mentioned, I thought probably 1 of you was a wolf. He flipped village so maybe you are a good candidate for yeeting...

but also when I mentioned my Mel/Pip opposite theory, many said they thought could be V/V interaction. which loops back to point 1.

hmmm visc is a village read and is unyeeting my other village read to Yeet Pippy,

###YEET PIPPY###

SEE BELOW WHERE YOU SAY IM ACTING DIFFERENTLY ABOUT CALLING OUT WOLVES

YET YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DIPPED WITHOUT A VERIFIABLE COMMITMENT WHEN YOU CAME UNDER FIRE


Yes these are all the reasons I’m voting her! I’ve been having her on my wolf read for a long time if you look back. I just felt more assured by another village read feeling similarly, so was very comfortable being vote 2. (Not a bandwagon!)


this game is really lacking in hard evidence. Or at least I’m finding that difficult. I do look for my own reasoning, but it feels like everything is based off just discourse. We don’t really have much else to go off.

 

[Crayola227]

I don’t think DocE has been back yet since to chance his vote.

The servers were down for well over 24 hours. I guess you’re technically correct that means she’s been a wagon for like a million hours but shortly after the servers came back up you didn’t give the chance of much further discussion

A brain disease? You just have no reading comprehension skills. I was saying that if Pippy didn’t put a direct Bond quote in the right up I would swear you’re a wolf trying to claim James Bond. If you didn’t knee jerk reaction everything like you do your vig shots you would understand that what I was saying. I’d assume you were a wolf vig trying to use James Bond as cover because your shots were so bad. I don’t think that’s true though cause of Pippy.


I was saying I trusted her enough to reveal it.

The other Royal asked me to reveal it Saturday and I held off so back the **** up. They’re curious why the Royals keep dying when they’re supposedly 1x death proof. Alissa didn’t tell me of an attempt on her life before, but I’m sure the wolves have figured it out by now and it would just be knowledge the wolves don’t have and something village doesn’t.
I was assuming there was a strongman on the wolf team, but you one shottong Alissa surprised me and I’m asking about it for the other one.


Why am I convinced the Sheriff is a wolf? He’s a god damn bad guy. You really think they put the sheriff in the game and made him village? That’s why.


As far as I know there’s no nobility, and I’ve already responded once to you explaining why it would be the north, including mileage from cities. On this breakdown of location, they would start in the north. I’ve broken out maps in PMs.

The thing about James Bond is where you show your ignorance of WW. Why does the role name matter? How does that in any way clear me? Why does Pip referencing that and my claim I am that do me favors?

It's fine cuz I'm villager, but I don't like right villager wrong reason much either.

There was time for discussion, but I also needed to place a shot before the mod went to bed and I did want to push it out to today because of how late to deadline I get on at times. And pushing it to another cycle doesn't make sense I was very concerned after the talk with genny that I was essentially outed to wolves.

Your defense of blabbing about 1x time death proof is bad. It doesn't matter if wolves know and villagers don't. The only time we might need to know is if we had a royal up for vote and their death proof applied to votes.

And for the last time, mods love to put in roles that are "bad guys" or a wolf, and then make them villagers. So yes, sheriff could be in the game and not a bad guy.

Doesn't matter if you're right the sheriff is a bad guy, they're not going to tell anyone that is what they are with your screaming about it.

Your theory is in practice useless for hunting wolves and a big distraction. At least when I went on and on about 3P that on game I was wolf and it was my job to distract.

 

[SportPonies]

Looking at the most updated roster, I feel like I haven't seen enough from @Dinashadow, @Barkley13, or @alleycat03 in recent history.

 

[samac]

The thing about James Bond is where you show your ignorance of WW. Why does the role name matter? How does that in any way clear me? Why does Pip referencing that and my claim I am that do me favors?

It's fine cuz I'm villager, but I don't like right villager wrong reason much either.

There was time for discussion, but I also needed to place a shot before the mod went to bed and I did want to push it out to today because of how late to deadline I get on at times. And pushing it to another cycle doesn't make sense I was very concerned after the talk with genny that I was essentially outed to wolves.

Your defense of blabbing about 1x time death proof is bad. It doesn't matter if wolves know and villagers don't. The only time we might need to know is if we had a royal up for vote and their death proof applied to votes.

And for the last time, mods love to put in roles that are "bad guys" or a wolf, and then make them villagers. So yes, sheriff could be in the game and not a bad guy.

Doesn't matter if you're right the sheriff is a bad guy, they're not going to tell anyone that is what they are with your screaming about it.

Your theory is in practice useless for hunting wolves and a big distraction. At least when I went on and on about 3P that on game I was wolf and it was my job to distract.

Sure, I’ll stop distracting from the obvious wolf role we know in the game.

I’ll stop that, but the death proof royals is a real question. Why are they dying after seemingly one hit? Is that not something fair to ask.
If they’re deathproof and wolves double tapped them they already know that. If they’re not then they’re shook and confused by this information too. I don’t see how that’s not valuable village information.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm here now.

I guess the important step now is to make sure that the descriptions of people being killed by james bond-like figures line up to presumably villager vigilante actions and not to wolfy activity. I have mentioned it before (might have been to the now dead viscernable, so dont yell at me if it wasnt here in public), but making a wolf have day killing powers is just.... really.... unlikely to be a wolf power. IDK how much pippy thought this over (sorry to potentially criticize the mod), but its always seemed very clear to me that wolves with day kill powers have an insane strategic advantage as they can make the kill happen when its strategically best for them to silence someone AND they can act like a bunch of villagers all thinking up the same explanation at once. It leads to others who arent paying attention jumping on the same logical bandwagon that a bunch of "other people" all "intuited" at the same time purely because its the obvious interpretation and for no other reason at all. I even tried it out once in a game (and ironically gave nutmeg, of all people, that power) and it worked out exactly as I feared it would. Nutmeg smoked people at will and let his fellow wolves control the narrative on how the village should interpret it and got *a lot* of people lynched because of it without it coming back on a single wolf (ironically nutmeg was the next wolf to go down, multiple rounds later. But either way, no one looped around to the other wolves driving the narrative and called them out).

I say all of this because I *do* believe that pippy considered this on some unconscious or conscious level and wouldnt give wolves a daytime kill. But if other people think she might have - then know that if you TRULY believe a wolf is behind the day kill, that you should just stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes and ignore anyone trying to 'explain' the logic to you because its just too easy for wolves to work the story on this. I dont have better advice than that.

I still need to actually read the thread and see if the james bond references do seem legitimately benign or if there was clearly a 'night kill' that was also a james bond kill. If someone could clarify that I WOULD LOVE IT. Because I'm at work until 7pm EST and wont get too many long breaks to do deep analysis (after this post), I'll mostly just make snarky comments when I get a free 60 seconds here and there. I'm definitely willing to give crayola the benefit of the doubt and vote elsewhere if - and only if - a review of mod comments on deaths shows nothing muddying the water about if the guy with the gun may not be 100% on the up and up.

You don't have to believe me of course, but the two day shots I'm claiming had their own write up and referenced Bond.

I don't know if my missed shot N1 was referenced in the write up, I'll have to look. Genny would otherwise be the only proof of the shot and its flavor.

I can't recall the flavors of all the NKs.

 

[Dinashadow]

Bro 2 of my early, consistent wolf reads were up for yeet, back and forth. Why would I try to save one wolf read over another? Bread was a wolf read for me just as long. Yes it turned out to be wrong later (AFTER night 3), but at the time I was fine with either one.

I mean as a wolf it makes sense for you to vote bread over mkg, but you didn't even pick either of them. You went for LIS.

Please bring back Zenge.

Second this

Someone explain to me the sunshine vote, because I just did a brief ISO and I don’t think I understand what is wolfy

I've explained why I'm voting for her. I've been wolf reading her since early game, but people said her frustration sounded village. When I spoke with shorty in PMs she said she went back and read the two game's sunny has wolfed in and felt comfortable moving her slightly village, then before she subbed out shorty said she might have to look back at her sunshine read because she wasn't feeling confident that sunny wasn't wolfing.

At this point sunny knows that people read her village when she uses caps lock and gets frustrated. I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to emulate it.

Not to mention sunny was the second person zenge was pushing. He was right about mkg, so it only makes sense to me to flip sunny now.

I feel like that's on the border of villager coding. I guess the question is what would have happen had I told you that my role only said Thornfield Hall? Would you have decided that meant I must be lying? Because if so, I think you're crossing into the villager code/formatting territory.

On the other hand if you were asking because you do assume everyone has a specific location and you just wanted to know what it was but had I said I didn't have one, you wouldn't have considered that a significant factor... then you're definitely not village coding.

Village code aside, I don't blame samac or anyone else for questioning role reveals after mkg.

 

[samac]

I feel like that's on the border of villager coding. I guess the question is what would have happen had I told you that my role only said Thornfield Hall? Would you have decided that meant I must be lying? Because if so, I think you're crossing into the villager code/formatting territory.

On the other hand if you were asking because you do assume everyone has a specific location and you just wanted to know what it was but had I said I didn't have one, you wouldn't have considered that a significant factor... then you're definitely not village coding.

I would consider you not having one a lie, because the one wolf who’s flipped had one too.
The other wolf told me some flower stand in London in Pm with their fake role, so honestly I would think that it would just have been a lie because even mkg thought to do it before I asked. you also said it made sense to northern England, but it’s fictional.
Does that make sense?
maybe village coding, but wasn’t intentional. I’m just on a location kick right now cause I’m not going to be convinced it doesn’t matter until we flip a commoner that shuts it down.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm done with lunch and I don't know when I get back to my hotel so... I guess it's time for the neon lights.

So really? No one could figure out why I was implying to samac that voting me would result in the lost of an additional villager? I didn't want to have to spell it out on thread, but I have a rez. Can't use it until after cycle 4. Would really rather not die before I get to. Vote somewhere else.

I'm willing to give Finn that long to prove this claim, or force the wolves to NK her. If it's a wolf lie it's not a good one because it's easy to disprove.

I am considering that as a wolf or 3P there's some village-hurting reason for her to want to live that long lies be damned, but I don't think that's as likely.

 

[Crayola227]

I mean, that's not the correct read of what I wrote - But I do admit that I was hoping people could convince me that I didn't need to lynch them. So I can see where you could have skimmed it and gotten the wrong impression from.

Did you just misgender me as them? Lolol

 

[Crayola227]

It occured to me someone might think I was implying lover but those usually have a PM so I figured the absence of someone else coming to my aid would point away from that. I forgot vengeful was even a thing.


Jane Eyre. Thornfield Hall. Though I'm unclear on why you're asking.

If this is more theory business, I stated pages ago that my role fits well in the North--though I googled for that info. It's interesting that you decided I must be a wolf (not solely because of theory as you've indicated you'd give AM a pass after flipping me) but apparently haven't paid much attention to my posts.

This post is weird. Why are you pointing out that you weren't going to claim lover because there's no one else to support your claim?

 

[SportPonies]

I've explained why I'm voting for her. I've been wolf reading her since early game, but people said her frustration sounded village. When I spoke with shorty in PMs she said she went back and read the two game's sunny has wolfed in and felt comfortable moving her slightly village, then before she subbed out shorty said she might have to look back at her sunshine read because she wasn't feeling confident that sunny wasn't wolfing.

At this point sunny knows that people read her village when she uses caps lock and gets frustrated. I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to emulate it.

Not to mention sunny was the second person zenge was pushing. He was right about mkg, so it only makes sense to me to flip sunny now.

Thank you. I'm well beyond my point of fading in this game, so it's getting hard to remember and be fired up.

I disagree with the bolded though. A villager is only as good as any other, so if this vote were on the basis of that alone, it's garbage. Being right once doesn't mean he's Village Jesus.

 

[Crayola227]

I don't think asking for a role name is ever village code unless the rules specifically say no flavor claiming. Asking for role description formatting is another thing, but I fail to see how this is out of line.

It's villager code if you're using it as villager code.

 

[Dinashadow]

Sure, I’ll stop distracting from the obvious wolf role we know in the game.

I’ll stop that, but the death proof royals is a real question. Why are they dying after seemingly one hit? Is that not something fair to ask.
If they’re deathproof and wolves double tapped them they already know that. If they’re not then they’re shook and confused by this information too. I don’t see how that’s not valuable village information.

SAR too. Didn't she die N1? Wonder if it had something to do with the teapot being stolen? Somebody knew to target her after the election shenanigans?

 

[SportPonies]

I've explained why I'm voting for her. I've been wolf reading her since early game, but people said her frustration sounded village. When I spoke with shorty in PMs she said she went back and read the two game's sunny has wolfed in and felt comfortable moving her slightly village, then before she subbed out shorty said she might have to look back at her sunshine read because she wasn't feeling confident that sunny wasn't wolfing.

At this point sunny knows that people read her village when she uses caps lock and gets frustrated. I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to emulate it.

Not to mention sunny was the second person zenge was pushing. He was right about mkg, so it only makes sense to me to flip sunny now.

The underlined is something I want to go back and check now in the games I quoted. I know she did it in Apocalypse but I don't know if I remember seeing it in Breadsticks, and I need to find a village sunny game to check as well.

My multi-game ISO is making me realize I only have significant memories of sunny's wolf games so I'm wondering if that's been influencing my read of her here as "normal"....

 

[samac]

SAR too. Didn't she die N1? Wonder if it had something to do with the teapot being stolen? Somebody knew to target her after the election shenanigans?

I’ve also wondered that she did die N1 and that kind of shook Alissa and the other. Because the 2 that claimed this had no contact with each other but made the same claim to me as royals. It feels weird that one died night 1 and as far as I know Alissa hadn’t taken a previous hit.

 

[Dinashadow]

Thank you. I'm well beyond my point of fading in this game, so it's getting hard to remember and be fired up.

I disagree with the bolded though. A villager is only as good as any other, so if this vote were on the basis of that alone, it's garbage. Being right once doesn't mean he's Village Jesus.

But his role suggests he might have had extra intel that led him towards those reads

 

[Animal Midwife]

It's villager code if you're using it as villager code.

No, village code is pretty straightforward. If wolves can't lie about it, it's village code. Otherwise, it's free real estate.

 

[finnickthedog]

Village code aside, I don't blame samac or anyone else for questioning role reveals after mkg.

Are you all like... new to fake roles or something? Just the way you said this

At any rate, again it wasn't about "questioning role reveals". Role reveals should be questioned. It was about possible (not even necessarily) use of village code.

you also said it made sense to northern England, but it’s fictional.

Well, again I literally just googled "Jayne Eyre setting" and wikipedia says "Northern England". Good enough for me.
Honestly, had not a darn clue whether Thornfield Hall was a real or fictional place. I have never read this book and did not really research my role.

maybe village coding, but wasn’t intentional.

I'm not gonna harp on about it forever, but it's a pet peeve. Which is why I specifically disallow it in my own games.

 

[WildZoo]

The underlined is something I want to go back and check now in the games I quoted. I know she did it in Apocalypse but I don't know if I remember seeing it in Breadsticks, and I need to find a village sunny game to check as well.

My multi-game ISO is making me realize I only have significant memories of sunny's wolf games so I'm wondering if that's been influencing my read of her here as "normal"....

To be fair she wasn't alive very long in Breadsticks. Would be good to see if she was ever pushed there, I don't remember it happening but I'm not AM

 

[Crayola227]

Sure, I’ll stop distracting from the obvious wolf role we know in the game.

I’ll stop that, but the death proof royals is a real question. Why are they dying after seemingly one hit? Is that not something fair to ask.
If they’re deathproof and wolves double tapped them they already know that. If they’re not then they’re shook and confused by this information too. I don’t see how that’s not valuable village information.

It just isnt.

 

[finnickthedog]

This post is weird. Why are you pointing out that you weren't going to claim lover because there's no one else to support your claim?

That's not what I was saying at all.

I was saying it occurred to me someone might misinterpret my hints as me claiming lover. I wasn't outright stating my ability at that point, so it did occur to me that it could be taken multiple ways. I then thought, that actually it should be pretty clear that I wasn't a lover and that I was implying rez.

Like... I did not think I was being subtle. I was trying to be, but I thought it was really obvious.

Turns out, because Dubz misinterpreted it anyways and others seem to have missed what I was getting at altogether, that it actually wasn't as clear as I thought it was.

 

[WildZoo]

Since samac commented already, my comment was it's not really village code if you're looking for a fake role. No reason to believe wolves wouldn't have real locations in their roles as well, but a wolf might forget to include one when coming up with a cover. It's only village code if you're looking for something you believe to be in village PMs that wouldn't be in wolf ones.

 

[Crayola227]

SAR too. Didn't she die N1? Wonder if it had something to do with the teapot being stolen? Somebody knew to target her after the election shenanigans?

Was it the item that conferred deathproof? Would a failed kill attempt result in just stealing the item? Maybe wolves didn't even know that would be the result until it happened. Plus or minus if royals knew or not.

And if a royal was smart, they wouldn't have mentioned that about the item to samac or anyone.

 

[WildZoo]

Aaaanyway. I am very drained today. But I don't think continuously going after samac is a good use of time.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm really surprised @Animal Midwife isn't giving @samac any grief about how the best wolf hunting is done by posts on thread, not mechanics or outting what you've learned by PM.

Unless AM is just loving this play from samac.

 

[finnickthedog]

Since samac commented already, my comment was it's not really village code if you're looking for a fake role. No reason to believe wolves wouldn't have real locations in their roles as well, but a wolf might forget to include one when coming up with a cover. It's only village code if you're looking for something you believe to be in village PMs that wouldn't be in wolf ones.

I don't agree, because you're still looking for the formatting to be off in order to determine that it's fake. You're comparing formats.

If it was my game and someone was trying that (which tbh I'm not even convinced samac actually was) I would punish it.

Weren't you a co-mod on Michigan? We punished them for villager code for thinking "you are a villager" was a fake line. How is "I think a missing location means it's a fake role" any different?

 

[Crayola227]

No, village code is pretty straightforward. If wolves can't lie about it, it's village code. Otherwise, it's free real estate.

My point is that in the case where wolves can lie about it, it wouldn't work as village code but it wouldn't stop a villager from trying to use it and getting led astray.

Seems like that kind of thing usually matters to you.

 

[Crayola227]

Are you all like... new to fake roles or something? Just the way you said this

At any rate, again it wasn't about "questioning role reveals". Role reveals should be questioned. It was about possible (not even necessarily) use of village code.


Well, again I literally just googled "Jayne Eyre setting" and wikipedia says "Northern England". Good enough for me.
Honestly, had not a darn clue whether Thornfield Hall was a real or fictional place. I have never read this book and did not really research my role.



I'm not gonna harp on about it forever, but it's a pet peeve. Which is why I specifically disallow it in my own games.

Yes and I can see Pippy allowing it because she's done things that will make this line of reasoning one giant wankfest. And she wants to allow wankfests if people want to have them for her entertainment.

Can we get back to post analysis and VCA and interactive tells and hell even NKA for finding wolves?

 

[Stagg737]

The situation with mkg made me think I should shoot someone in the mkg/Sunny/Zenge triad or something. Problem is I wasn't wolf reading mkg or Sunny.

If you wanted info on Sunny/Mkg, what was up with the waffling near vote close yesterday instead of going straight to MKG?

So.. what are your thoughts now that there is a vig claim?

Same as they were before, that it would have been a dumb wolf move and was almost certainly non-wolf. I feel the same now with Cray's explanation. I'm not convinced she's village, but I'd be surprised if she was a wolf.