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samac said:
Or you’re a wolf and are unsure if your cover role may also be in the game and PANICK
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Um, no. If she has a mod-given cover role she's not worried it's in the game. If the wolves had to fend for themselves with a fake role, maybe, but her point stands. Not wanting to tell you her role is NAI, it just means she is intelligent.
 
Day 6 - BeWWare the JabberWWock - Vote Tally

Stagg (8) - genny, alley, cyndia, barks, sporty, cray, mayo, dina
Alley (0) -
Capri (1) - LIS
genny (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (1) - stagg
Ms P (1) - samac

@Stagg737 you are in the lead
11/13 players voting
Voting ends at 9pm tomorrow because I am boring
 
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I'll be honest, I'm no Skagg fan, but I'm not liking the runaway voting.

Especially since it doesn't close until tomorrow. Odds are real good there's a wolf just camped on Skaggs laughing at the lack of defense they have to give.

Even if Skaggs is a wolf, it's still giving an easy hiding spot.
 
genny said:
So don't vote for the wolf because other wolves might also be voting there. O...K....
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Didn't say that. Not even at all.

I'm not convinced Skagg is a wolf.

But also, my post wasn't so much about Skagg as about the fact that we're early in the cycle and it's lining up like a shooting gallery.

That's fine if we have a CONFIRMED wolf, but we don't. So all we're doing is giving a wolf, or wolves, a chance to hide without being forced to interact or defend themselves.

Why are you twisting what I wrote into something it's not?
 
samac said:
No. All you’ve done is vote out and kill villagers and you tell me I share too much information and I’m suspicious. Bite me.
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All I've done is vote out and kill villagers? I've been on the vote and flip of every wolf, and I'm counting Finn. I only moved off to prove a point I don't have some weird wincon. So you bite me.
 
capri1722 said:
I mean the reverse is always possible too--wolves not targeting people who ping as sketchy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm also not into reads lists for different reasons though.

^ Also this though. But for the sake of village sanity I think it's better to assume there is always a discoverable reason why wolves kill the players they do.
On this note I am slightly disappointed there wasn't a kill last night.
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Ooh, village on a win streak? Back in my day wolves won almost every game lol
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Wolfy post
 
Day 6 - BeWWare the JabberWWock - Vote Tally

Stagg (8) - genny, alley, cyndia, barks, sporty, cray, mayo, dina
Alley (0) -
Capri (0) -
genny (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (1) - stagg
Ms P (2) - samac, LIS

@Stagg737 you are in the lead
11/13 players voting
Voting ends at 9pm tomorrow because I am boring
 
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Crayola227 said:
All I've done is vote out and kill villagers? I've been on the vote and flip of every wolf, and I'm counting Finn. I only moved off to prove a point I don't have some weird wincon. So you bite me.
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I’m tired of you. You killed Zenge and Alissa, 2 villagers who were useful.
You weren’t on finn. That doesn’t count and I don’t know why you’d argue that it should.
You were on sunny and mkg. On mkg saying you were going to leave it to me.
You say you’re going to leave it in my hands then spend time trying to make some complicated wolf plot instead of accepting the reality. You call everyone else wolfy for the same thing you’re doing. I’m just kind of tired of it and if you think I’m a wolf then vote me. If not move on.
 
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LetItSnow said:
1) April is much more involved than previously, unless I'm confusing her with someone else. I read it as being more interested in the game, not wolfy.

2) Disagree regarding Zenge, as already stated. That barf'd villager.

3) Agree that Cray/DocE are interacting like historic players. Disagree that it means anything regarding alignment.

4) Agree (with previous posters) that Shorty/DocE are not w/w.

5) I really don't think DocE is wolfy.

6) I'm not sure about Shorty (neutral).
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Has Mayo firmed things up for you?
 
LetItSnow said:
Didn't say that. Not even at all.

I'm not convinced Skagg is a wolf.

But also, my post wasn't so much about Skagg as about the fact that we're early in the cycle and it's lining up like a shooting gallery.

That's fine if we have a CONFIRMED wolf, but we don't. So all we're doing is giving a wolf, or wolves, a chance to hide without being forced to interact or defend themselves.

Why are you twisting what I wrote into something it's not?
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Genny has done something like this a few times, no? And she has a sus voting record iirc. I'm really starting to wonder about her. She was trying to get the village vig to waste shots on her, and had Finn jail her to protect her and so they could test if the game was loud and its notifications, and earlier someone pointed out more reasons for wolves to have done something like that.

It also felt like she was egging me on with Zenge.
 
Crayola227 said:
Genny has done something like this a few times, no? And she has a sus voting record iirc. I'm really starting to wonder about her. She was trying to get the village vig to waste shots on her, and had Finn jail her to protect her and so they could test if the game was loud and its notifications, and earlier someone pointed out more reasons for wolves to have done something like that.

It also felt like she was egging me on with Zenge.
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Can you give examples of her egging you on with zenge?
 
holdthemayo said:
But natheles, al-though that thou be dulle,
Yit that thou canst not do, yit mayst thou see;
For many a man that may not stonde a pulle,
Yit lyketh him at the wrastling for to be,
And demeth yit wher he do bet or he;
And if thou haddest cunning for t'endite,
I shal thee shewen mater of to wryte.'
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OK, I need to see a regular post from you if you're capable. So I know if you're choosing to post this way or not.

What are your reads?
 
samac said:
Can you give examples of her egging you on with zenge?
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It's a feeling. I could go back and try to find examples if you really want them. Are you asking to read me or her? Because if you want it to help you eval her, I'll spend the time. I'm less interested in dealing with your read of me. I don't say that to be rude or mean, just I'm entertaining this is v/v and I want to be sure I'm looking at everyone.
 
Crayola227 said:
It's a feeling. I could go back and try to find examples if you really want them. Are you asking to read me or her? Because if you want it to help you eval her, I'll spend the time. I'm less interested in dealing with your read of me. I don't say that to be rude or mean, just I'm entertaining this is v/v and I want to be sure I'm looking at everyone.
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Honestly, if there’s something sus of genny that would help me. Mayo told me last game genny and I have a 100% read on him and that’s why I’ve been so interested in her opinion of him. Overall she’s read village to me so I’ve valued her opinion, but if there’s evidence she’s wolf I’d like to see it.
 
Crayola227 said:
OK, I need to see a regular post from you if you're capable. So I know if you're choosing to post this way or not.

What are your reads?
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The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne
holdthemayo said:
Some thoughts based mostly on VCA, and some gameplay

MsP, Sporty and Stagg are the ones that jump out to me as looking the worst here, with varying levels of low play/low village play
Capri has been flying under the radar, she has one vote which is good, but it isn't enough to clear her.
I find myself being a bit frustrated with Cray this game, but mostly believing her
Samac, LiS, and Alley look a lot better after last night.
Dina, Barks, Genny
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No empty handed man can lure a bird
 
samac said:
I’m tired of you. You killed Zenge and Alissa, 2 villagers who were useful.
You weren’t on finn. That doesn’t count and I don’t know why you’d argue that it should.
You were on sunny and mkg. On mkg saying you were going to leave it to me.
You say you’re going to leave it in my hands then spend time trying to make some complicated wolf plot instead of accepting the reality. You call everyone else wolfy for the same thing you’re doing. I’m just kind of tired of it and if you think I’m a wolf then vote me. If not move on.
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I will say I don't have to just vote someone or move on. A single vote in the wilderness without making a case to the rest of village does very little.

Alissa was of limited usefulness honestly because she was complaining about keeping up when she died and didn't have a PR. So why overstate the case?

And when you got tossed the tie you killed Visc and she had a useful PR.

Enough pot calling kettle black. Villagers kill villagers all the time and have bad reads. That's the basis of your case against me, which I think is weak.

OTOH, I'm pointing out real deficiencies in play where you put things on thread that do nothing for village but could help wolves.

At some point when someone is willingfully doing that enough, you have to call it out.

And it doesn't matter if I'm doing something and say someone else is doing it and it's wolfy. That's the logical fallacy about hypocrisy I'm always talking about.

You're never going to get me to back down when it comes to talking theory so it's best not to even try.
 
samac said:
Honestly, if there’s something sus of genny that would help me. Mayo told me last game genny and I have a 100% read on him and that’s why I’ve been so interested in her opinion of him. Overall she’s read village to me so I’ve valued her opinion, but if there’s evidence she’s wolf I’d like to see it.
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I'm ISOing her and will post.

Most concerning about genny is the twisty thing. She does that as a wolf. And she will have more of a feel of dispassionately stirring the pot to create dissension without ever getting her hands too dirty, if you get what I mean.
 
genny said:
unelect shorty
elect docE

it's definitely a bad idea to elect DocE. but it would also be interesting, and I can't resist that.
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Here's the thing. I actually love DocE and when he's village, I truly think he can be an asset. But others have other opinions on him, like AM saying he can sow chaos no matter his Af.

The issue here, is that I don't think genny would think he would be good for village, even if he's village. So I kinda wonder if she was wolfing if that might make her want to light what she might think would be a DocE dumpster fire.

This is what I mean, it isn't wolfy *for me* to support DocE. Doesn't mean it isn't for others. I think sunny was supporting DocE because he's divisive, a distraction, and sketchy, and in hindsight I see how Sunny was subtly pocketing me, and backing me and DocE was a way she did it.

That's just an example. So I can see genny's support for DocE being wolfy.
 
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