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how many of you guys read the entire passage for the verbal reasoning section and how many of you don't? PLease explain why you do what you do.
Thanks in advance..
Pri
 
Pinkertinkle said:
Read the whole thing, two word summary of each paragraph after reading, then go thru the questions.


how long should it take to read the passage usually?

huseyin
 
huseyin said:
how long should it take to read the passage usually?

huseyin
4-5 minutes ideally, then another 4-5 to answer questions. Some people take a little more time to read and haul balls through the questions.

Tooth
 
do you think it will help to read the qns before reading the entire passage? and then go back to the qns??
 
priyanka said:
do you think it will help to read the qns before reading the entire passage? and then go back to the qns??


Yeah reading the questions first helped me alot. Sometimes, they are throwing out so much information, I do not know which one I should pick up, then reading the questions first kinda helps me.
 
I read the whole passage. I read pretty quickly and that gives me a mental roadmap so I can come back to find specifics pretty quickly once I read the questions and know what I'm looking for.

Reading varies by person. It takes you what it takes you. You have to learn to read a little faster sometimes and then just work around your reading speed.
 
nice suggestions, thanks
i am only worried about the time constraint, I might not be able to complete the VR if I go at my pace which gives me a good score. But no use since its too much time taken. So now, I am going to read the economists everyday to get used to it and as PT said, i'll have a two word summary for each passage, but i ll skim thru the questions before reading the passage. I think two word summary is very important.
 
Please take a look at this passage:

Kristen breitweiser, like her husband ron, voted for George W.Bush in 2000. Far from being any kind of activist, she didn't know her congressman's name before Sept. 11, 2001, the day her husband died on the 92th floor of the World Trade Center's Tower 2. But she knows her way around politics now. It has taken her three years to get to an airplane, but she did it on Sept.22, the day before the state of Iowa started accepting absentee ballots. To mark the occasion, the John Kerry campaign was holding a women-and security rally in Davenpoty. Kerry was nursing a cold, so John Edwards filled in, but it was Breitweiser who took center stage before the crowd of more than 600 in a sweltering hall. As she has on countless talk shows, she described her fight to get the White house to appoint a commision to investigate the 9/11 attacks. Bush, she said, agreed only after the Senate voted 90 to 8 in favor of it. "We gave every opportunity to President Bush to do the right thing/" said Breitweiser, a high profile widow whose presence on the campaign trail is designed to project the message that women can count on Democrats to protect kids.

This is a paragraph from the time magazine. What do you guys think would be the two word summary for this passage? I want to check if my analysis is right. Also i wanted to know if this passage is against bush or for Bush? I concluded it is against Bush, is that right?
PLease explain your thought process.
PS: assume that you v no background information of politics while reading this passage.

Thanks 🙂
 
priyanka,

there isn't one strategy to this thing. that's why it's so hard. different people teach different things. i liked the Examkrackers more than the princeton review. so... you should test your waters and see what fits best for you. i glanced at the questions for 30 seconds and looked for questions that involved direct quotes (cuz they sometimes don't give u line numbers) and then read the paragraphs... but u gotta read them with questions in the back of your head... and then go through the questions...timewise i tried to spend 8-9 minutes per passsage. but then again there are those 12 minutes passages... so u just gotta adapt. gluck. haha.. ps i liked ur desi post. funny stuff.
 
virilep said:
priyanka,

there isn't one strategy to this thing. that's why it's so hard. different people teach different things. i liked the Examkrackers more than the princeton review. so... you should test your waters and see what fits best for you. i glanced at the questions for 30 seconds and looked for questions that involved direct quotes (cuz they sometimes don't give u line numbers) and then read the paragraphs... but u gotta read them with questions in the back of your head... and then go through the questions...timewise i tried to spend 8-9 minutes per passsage. but then again there are those 12 minutes passages... so u just gotta adapt. gluck. haha.. ps i liked ur desi post. funny stuff.


yeah...trying to figure out "my way" ..hehe lets see how it works. Yea desis rock don' they ? 😀 The fact that they possess a little to lot of ego is a completely different issue.
 
priyanka said:
yeah...trying to figure out "my way" ..hehe lets see how it works. Yea desis rock don' they ? 😀 The fact that they possess a little to lot of ego is a completely different issue.

indeed we desis do rock!

ok, now heres what i did for the aug04 mcat vr

before reading the passage i scanned through the questions only to notice where line references were made, for eg (line 45-47). These references were the only thing i looked for in the question stem. Then i put a mark on those lines in the passage along with the question number...
in this way, when i read the passage and came across a marked line or paragraph... i jumped to that particular question and answered it immediately.. this helped because the material for that question was fresh in my mind.

a little caveat though... this works mainly for 'meaning' or 'detail' questions. will not work for questions in which they ask you to compare, for instance, the authors attitude in line 3 and his attitude in line 60.

for all other questions.... do not waste time reading the long question stems b4 reading the passage simple coz u wont understand them... it is just a waste of time!
 
TiggidyTooth said:
4-5 minutes ideally, then another 4-5 to answer questions. Some people take a little more time to read and haul balls through the questions.

Tooth
for some reasons I take less time reading passages, and more time answering questions.
Huhhhhhhh
 
gildas said:
for some reasons I take less time reading passages, and more time answering questions.
Huhhhhhhh

To each his or her own. I read slow, so i make sure to really understand what I'm reading. Then I just start answering questions and try not to look back to the passage for info unless i know where to go or if i feel i have the time.

Tooth
 
as above. everyone has their own technique. generally I read the entire passage with emphasis on tone and structure.

I didn't end up finishing all the verbal, but I still managed a 10 (which is lower then I had thought! but I am not complaining since most of my friends were between 5 and 8
 
pakidoc said:
indeed we desis do rock!

ok, now heres what i did for the aug04 mcat vr

before reading the passage i scanned through the questions only to notice where line references were made, for eg (line 45-47). These references were the only thing i looked for in the question stem. Then i put a mark on those lines in the passage along with the question number...
in this way, when i read the passage and came across a marked line or paragraph... i jumped to that particular question and answered it immediately.. this helped because the material for that question was fresh in my mind.

a little caveat though... this works mainly for 'meaning' or 'detail' questions. will not work for questions in which they ask you to compare, for instance, the authors attitude in line 3 and his attitude in line 60.

for all other questions.... do not waste time reading the long question stems b4 reading the passage simple coz u wont understand them... it is just a waste of time!


Thats a very clever suggestion: To write down the reference line!! Thanks dude! 🙂
 
instead of getting VR advice from premeds, I recommend getting advice from VR professionals! This is one section where technique does matter, and you need to be very solid and confident with your technique, not experimenting.

Most of the questions you are asking are common to nearly everyone taking the MCAT. I really recommend that you buy the Examkrackers verbal reasoning/math book and study the strategy in there. For example, they will recommend: no notations while you are reading; no going back to the passage (unless you have specific reasons for going back); do not read the questions first; etc.. I have seen this technique work well even for students who had a lot of trouble with reading speed/comprehension/boredom. I did a lot of testing using the VR technique from another one of the big prep companies and I really did not like it; it took too much time to be useful on the real MCAT, and my students had the same experience.

The example passage you provided is very un-MCAT-like. It is full of concrete details, facts, information, and an obvious message. MCAT VR passages are usually full of opinions, interpretations, and are often confusing and deathly boring to read. There are a couple of great deadly VR passages on the free AAMC 3R test on e-mcat.com.
 
priyanka said:
how many of you guys read the entire passage for the verbal reasoning section and how many of you don't? PLease explain why you do what you do.
Thanks in advance..
Pri

All I do is underline. I've never taken an actual MCAT, but verbal comes naturally to me...when I did the "Petersons" MCAT Verbal section for example, I got like 99% of the questions right. Same result in some other book. Of course, an actual MCAT score is the icing on the cake, but the format is the same. Personally, I think that 1/2 of it is cognition. You can answer questions better if you remember what you read. You can't "remember" what you "read", if you didn't read it? So yes.... read the whole passage. The essence is conveyed by the whole passage, not lines 10 or 29 (they may sound good, but if they do convey the whole meaning of the passage, more than likely they conform better to some gangster rap CD, than an MCAT test). If you disagree, try to read a few lines, say 3 or 4, from a famous speech and see if you can make out the meaning of the whole speech.
 
whenever i do verbal passages, or other things like that, i read the questions, with the choices first. sometimes, you can figure out what the passage is about, if some of the answer choices relate to each other and usually, those are the right answers. i do the line reference thing too, and then i read the passage and as i come across the answers to the questions, i go and answer them.

i'm not sure if this is the examkrackers' method or not, but the examkrackers guy came to my school last year and did a mini verbal tutorial for our premed club, and that's what he told us to do, and i've been trying it, and it seems to work.
 
HistoRocks said:
All I do is underline. I've never taken an actual MCAT, but verbal comes naturally to me...when I did the "Petersons" MCAT Verbal section for example, I got like 99% of the questions right. Same result in some other book. Of course, an actual MCAT score is the icing on the cake, but the format is the same. Personally, I think that 1/2 of it is cognition. You can answer questions better if you remember what you read. You can't "remember" what you "read", if you didn't read it? So yes.... read the whole passage. The essence is conveyed by the whole passage, not lines 10 or 29 (they may sound good, but if they do convey the whole meaning of the passage, more than likely they conform better to some gangster rap CD, than an MCAT test). If you disagree, try to read a few lines, say 3 or 4, from a famous speech and see if you can make out the meaning of the whole speech.

Peterson's MCAT prep books are not realistic VR practice; the techniques that work well on their tests may not work very well on the MCAT. I'd suggest that you invest in the AAMC full-lengths and use those VR sections as a guide. I particularly recommend the brain-numbing Picasso passage from AAMC 5 and the Confucius/li passage from AAMC 3 (I think those are the right test numbers).
 
musiclink213 said:
whenever i do verbal passages, or other things like that, i read the questions, with the choices first. sometimes, you can figure out what the passage is about, if some of the answer choices relate to each other and usually, those are the right answers. i do the line reference thing too, and then i read the passage and as i come across the answers to the questions, i go and answer them.

i'm not sure if this is the examkrackers' method or not, but the examkrackers guy came to my school last year and did a mini verbal tutorial for our premed club, and that's what he told us to do, and i've been trying it, and it seems to work.

Reading questions first is not the EK method. It is a practice technique that they teach in order to emphasize how much information is in the question stems and answer choices themselves. You use this technique early on, ONLY to build skill in really reading the questions/answers. Then you move on and always fully read the passage before you even glance at the questions.
 
MeowMix said:
Reading questions first is not the EK method. It is a practice technique that they teach in order to emphasize how much information is in the question stems and answer choices themselves. You use this technique early on, ONLY to build skill in really reading the questions/answers. Then you move on and always fully read the passage before you even glance at the questions.

hmm interesting. it seems to have worked though in all the practices i've done. well, it was only a mini tutorial anyway so he wouldn't have taught us their whole technique anyway. but that seems odd, to start one way and then switch to another method.
 
MeowMix said:
Peterson's MCAT prep books are not realistic VR practice; the techniques that work well on their tests may not work very well on the MCAT. I'd suggest that you invest in the AAMC full-lengths and use those VR sections as a guide. I particularly recommend the brain-numbing Picasso passage from AAMC 5 and the Confucius/li passage from AAMC 3 (I think those are the right test numbers).


Yeah, I have to do the AAMC stuff sometime... but honestly, its common sense: you can't understand something unless you read it? Consider, for example, the topic sentence isn't always the first sentence... it could be the 4th, 5th, or 6th sentence of a paragraph. I say this, coz' for any reading test, theres usually a question about the main idea of a passage. Then theres usually a "which of the following is NOT true" question.

Lets take an example passage. Imagine the passage was about Mother Teresa's character. The intro is as follows:

"Mother Teresa is known to many as a saint, but underneath the veil of generosity lay a complex persona magnified by many extremes, including a deceptive side, hardly known to the world at large. Only recently have details emerged about the "unmotherlike" Teresa, details which, to the scrupulous eye, exemplify not the hallmarks of virtue, but the doings of a desperate, bitter woman, who was nevertheless able to conceal her untoward improprieties from the public eye, with astonishing success."

Okay, lets say you look at the first question, which says: "the main idea of the passage is that during her lifetime, Mother Teresa was..." One of the four answer choices, says this: "Untarnished reputation-wise, nevertheless prone to personal insecurity." Another one says: "tarnished reputation-wise." A third one says, "Tarnished reputation-wise, yet not at all prone to personal insecurity." And the fourth answer choice says, "none of the above." By reading the first paragraph, you know - according to the author - she has an untarnished reputation. But do you really know that her behavior showed signs of personal insecurity? The word "desperation" just barely implies that. But you CAN'T be sure unless the second, third, or fourth paragraphs actually validates that point. Which makes (d), a possibly wrong answer, quite tempting. Now imagine you had a question like, "According to the passage, when it came to her ultimate mission, helping the poor, Mother Teresa was: (A)Steadfast, and yet yielding"... (b) "steadfast and unyielding..." (c) "not steadfast but yielding" (d) "neither steadfast nor unyielding." The first paragraph will definitely NOT answer this. With this question, the person writing the passage can just have one or two lines, to conclude the entire passage (pretend its lines 204 & 205), where he says, "It is truly astonishing that she never let her secret life affect her attitude or relationships with the poor. Indeed, had this indiscreetness of hers been otherwise, everything from Nobel acclamation to beatifcation might well have been a pipe dream." You would certainly NOT know this by skimming the first paragraph. Or the second. Or the third. Or the fourth. In fact, the author of the passage doesn't have to mention anywhere in the passage except in the last two lines that Mother Teresa was steadfast and unyielding in her ultimate mission. You'd have to be very lucky to skim down all the way to the last passage - assuming you're skimming - to get the right answer. And finally, a question like this: "which of the following is not true, according to the passage: (a) Mother Teresa's ability to hide her darker side from the public eye may have contributed to her winning a Nobel Prize eventually. (b) Most of Mother Teresa's improprieties were unknown to the public eye. (c) Most of Mother Teresa's improprieties were uknown to the public eye, yet had no bearing on her winning a Nobel Prize. (d) Mother Teresa's improprieties were reflected in her often erractic behavior. In this case, (a) is mentioned only mentioned once in the passage, which if you've read you can eliminate fairly easily. (b) can also be eliminated easily. (c) relates to (a); notice here how unhelpful skimming is. The first part of (c) is mentioned in the intro, and the last part is given in the last two lines of the whole passage. (d) can be eliminated after reading the first passage. Incidentally, (c) is the right answer.

Note: The passage here is totally made up by me. So plz hold off on the lawsuits, if ur Kaplan or whoever.
 
HistoRocks said:
Yeah, I have to do the AAMC stuff sometime... but honestly, its common sense: you can't understand something unless you read it?

of course I agree with you on this point. My (unrelated) message to you personally is that success on Peterson's does not mean that MCAT success will be "icing on the cake" or prove that you have a knack for MCAT VR. Nail the AAMC practice tests and then you can eat the cake. With icing.
 
musiclink213 said:
hmm interesting. it seems to have worked though in all the practices i've done. well, it was only a mini tutorial anyway so he wouldn't have taught us their whole technique anyway. but that seems odd, to start one way and then switch to another method.

Football players might run through tires in practice, but never during a game. Same principle - build the skills separately, then integrate them.
 
MeowMix said:
of course I agree with you on this point. My (unrelated) message to you personally is that success on Peterson's does not mean that MCAT success will be "icing on the cake" or prove that you have a knack for MCAT VR. Nail the AAMC practice tests and then you can eat the cake. With icing.

I never said Petersons is the definitive word on MCAT VR. I only used it as an example. If you noticed, I also said "other." Although "other" doesn't include AAMC practice tests, I do know for a fact MCAT VR is a piece of cake. As long as theres not gonna be Hegel or Kant on that thing, I have no doubt about it. This is how I see it: if you're a voracious reader, you'll do well on MCAT VR no matter what. Bottom line. Also important is the fact that you can read stuff you're not exactly interested in, without losing your concentration. A final note (and this is my opinion): how well you write is, to a certain extent, a reflection of how well you read. I don't know the precise correlation, but I do know that one exists. So I would say, if you want to improve your reading skills, don't just practice reading, but also practice writing - journal, diary, forum, whatever.
 
To reply to the original question posed by this thread:

I do think one can read all the passages in their entirety and then successfully answer the questions. The two primary elements of that approach are: (I) reading at a sufficiently accelerated rate, (II) actually comprehending what you read. Remember, language is a play on words, but a meaningful one nonetheless. Whatever you're reading, put aside your personal biases... pretend you're the author - absorb his/her viewpoint like its your own. Keep your mind totally focused on every sentence. And remember, its an essay you're reading, not a book. Try to form a conclusion in the back of your mind as you go along. Remember, if you were the one writing the essay, you too would have a certain point/theme/message you wanted to get across. Its this theme which ultimately gives unity to the essay as a whole. So,as you read, make sure that any conclusions you form are in line with this theme.
 
I slowly go through each passage. No highlighting, underlining or note-taking. I just make sure to absorb the logic (or lack of) in each passage before going on to the questions. This way, most questions can be answered on the spot; the only questions I have to return to the passage for are the ones that ask for the definition of a word used in context.
It's worked on practice tests so far - 11V, 13V on the two I have taken.
 
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