ERAS, COMLEX and MD residency?

[kushdog1]

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Though I have taken the COMLEXs only UF informs me I should definately apply for their IM program. When I go into ERAS and AOA approved residencies I do not see UF listed. So what do I do? Or what am I doing wrong with ERAS application? This ERAS application is sooooo g.....! Any help will be appreciated.

 

[ceftazidime]

Dude.... seriously? Are you talking about University of Florida? They are not an AOA program. Just because a program accepts the COMLEX does not mean they are AOA-approved. You have to search for them under ACGME programs.

 

[kushdog1]

Dude.... seriously? Are you talking about University of Florida? They are not an AOA program. Just because a program accepts the COMLEX does not mean they are AOA-approved. You have to search for them under ACGME programs.

I got an input from my dean and a SDN member. We can do any residency but if not on AOA approved list we cannot practice in 5 states. Unless we go through to Resolution 42. This is really sad that AOA puts us through this sh.... I do not know how willing I am to deal with AOA regarding "R 42" to practice in Florida. I am thinking through it. Love to get IM residency at Shands in JAX, Florida. It is good. My family is in JAX. My maybe girl is in JAX!!!😡

 

[cbtk18]

I got an input from my dean and a SDN member. We can do any residency but if not on AOA approved list we cannot practice in 5 states. Unless we go through to Resolution 42. This is really sad that AOA puts us through this sh.... I do not know how willing I am to deal with AOA regarding "R 42" to practice in Florida. I am thinking through it. Love to get IM residency at Shands in JAX, Florida. It is good. My family is in JAX. My maybe girl is in JAX!!!😡

Wait.....explain this. What the restriction here?

 

[kushdog1]

You may do any residency with just the COMLEX. Even those not on AOA list of approved residencies. If you do the non approved residencies you cannot practice in 5 states of USA. One of them is Florida. In case you do apply for the non approved sites. During or maybe before PG-I you follow the AOA "R 42 rules". If you are applying through ERAS this year you will find all the AOA approved residencies under "Osteopathic Pragram" promp. You will "R 42" on AOA site. It is a hassel. Hope this helps.

 

[kushdog1]

That is it.

 

[DrWBD]

I got an input from my dean and a SDN member. We can do any residency but if not on AOA approved list we cannot practice in 5 states. Unless we go through to Resolution 42...

That's not necessarily true.

I advised you in the other thread to contact the Florida State Osteopathic board for your questions. Relying on strangers from an internet message board (including me) for accurate information about your situation is a sure way for you to have problems later on.

From the Florida Department of State website:

64B15-16.002 Procedure.
(1) Any applicant who has failed to complete an AOA (American Osteopathic Association)-approved internship must apply to the AOA for approval of the PGY (post-graduate year)-1 year of the ACGME (Accreditation Council on Graduate Medical Education) residency for educational equivalence. Upon acceptance of the PGY-1 year for educational equivalence of the ACGME residency by the AOA, the Board of Osteopathic Medicine will approve for licensure applicants who are otherwise qualified for licensure, and who demonstrate good cause as delineated below for having taken the ACGME residency in lieu of an AOA internship.
(2) When the AOA denies educational equivalency, the Board of Osteopathic Medicine will not review the equivalency of the PGY-1 year.
(3) When the AOA approves the ACGME residency's PGY-1 year for educational equivalency and denies the demonstration of good cause for having taken the ACGME residency, the Board of Osteopathic Medicine shall review the applicant's demonstration of good cause. Good cause for having taken a non-AOA approved rotating internship shall be:
(a) Personal limitation created by a documented physical or medical disability.
(b) Unique documented opportunity otherwise unavailable that meets a practice area of critical need.
(c) Documented legal restriction which requires physical presence in a particular state or local area.
(d) Documented unusual or exceptional family circumstances which limit training opportunities.
(e) Previous program met all AOA requirements but, due to documented circumstances beyond the control of the applicant, was discontinued.
(f) Documented inability to relocate to another geographic area without undue hardship.
(g) Documented inability to obtain an AOA rotating internship.
(4) Any applicant who completes an ACGME-approved residency shall be deemed to have met the educational equivalence of an AOA rotating internship. It shall remain the responsibility of the applicant to demonstrate good cause, as defined above, for having not taken an AOA-approved internship.
Specific Authority 459.005, 459.006(1), 459.007(1) FS. Law Implemented 459.006(1), 459.007(1) FS. History–New 7-15-96, Formerly 59W-16.002, Amended 2-13-01.
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In short, it looks to me like you could even practice in Florida without a Resolution 42 exemption, as long as the state osteopathic board approves your residency. Even if you had to get the Resolution 42 exemption, it is very easy to do so, especially if you are doing an Internal Medicine residency. Something like ~98% of all the petitions have been granted up to now.

Relying on your school faculty for good objective information, by the way, is almost as bad as relying on SDN. So many osteopathic students think that, by default, the osteopathic faculty at their school wants them to succeed. Most do, of course, but some have the secret agenda of trying to push as many people as possible into AOA internships and residencies. They are often not above fudging the truth (sometimes flat out lying) about ACGME residencies and such in order to discourage students from pursuing ACGME training. In other words, DO's Eat Their Young 😉

Sorry if I come across as being harsh, by the way. It's just that I feel like there are so many good students who are uninformed or misinformed about residency and The Match and don't realize it until it is too late. I recommend the Iserson book again. If you want to PM me with a specific question I'll try to help or at least point you in the (hopefully) right direction.

 

[ceftazidime]

Dude, the assistant program director of IM at Shands Jax is a DO. NSU-COM grad. You will have no problems meeting the requirements of resolution 42, trust me.

 

[kushdog1]

Dude, the assistant program director of IM at Shands Jax is a DO. NSU-COM grad. You will have no problems meeting the requirements of resolution 42, trust me.

Cool. But I got to figure out all this R 42 stuff first. Wanna be do thanks! But my faculty and staff came out true to me last year man! I cannot in true sprit ever bash them. They are good. I owe em big time.

 

[JustPlainBill]

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Relying on your school faculty for good objective information, by the way, is almost as bad as relying on SDN. So many osteopathic students think that, by default, the osteopathic faculty at their school wants them to succeed. Most do, of course, but some have the secret agenda of trying to push as many people as possible into AOA internships and residencies. They are often not above fudging the truth (sometimes flat out lying) about ACGME residencies and such in order to discourage students from pursuing ACGME training. In other words, DO's Eat Their Young 😉

Or sometimes not so secret....our dean has flat out told people that a lot of other dean's from other DO schools are mentioning when they get together at various functions that DO students are having some problems. Specifically, a lot are bypassing the AOA match and counting on matching ACGME. Unfortunately, 'a lot' of these students don't match ACGME and the AOA match has already 'passed and filled' so now these students must 'scramble'. Another student at the same school was basically told they had no chance at an ACGME allopathic family residency but could 'maybe' get in at one of the DO family residencies in the state....particularly the one that was not well thought of and had a reputation as being a 'on the golf course by 3pm' type of place 'great for a family life' type of residency......but not necessarily a good training site.....

So, get the word from the source (in this case either the AOA or the OMA of that state), exercise adult judgement or ask a friend that's BTDT that you know AND trust and make your decision....

To quote a famous gunfighting instructor.....

"You have the rest of your life to solve your problems. How long that is depends on how effectively you solve them."

 

[DrWBD]

So, get the word from the source (in this case either the AOA or the OMA of that state), exercise adult judgement or ask a friend that's BTDT that you know AND trust and make your decision....

To quote a famous gunfighting instructor.....

"You have the rest of your life to solve your problems. How long that is depends on how effectively you solve them."

Quoted for truth.

I was (and still am) amazed by how little effort many DOs who are going the ACGME route put into the application and Match process. The Match is probably the single most important event of one's medical career that effectively determines what you will be doing for the next 40+ years of your life, well beyond residency...

 

[ducki303]

The DO matching date is earlier than the MD's. For DOs seeking to match into an MD residency, would they have to forgo the DO's matching date and hope for MD matching successes?...

 

[USArmyDoc]

The DO matching date is earlier than the MD's. For DOs seeking to match into an MD residency, would they have to forgo the DO's matching date and hope for MD matching successes?...

Yes