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[bnichols0330]

I think I understand this process correctly, but I can't seem to find a source or post that spells this out for me so I'm going to try and then you guys please correct my mistakes:

Types of Programs:
1) Categorical - 5 year program with prelim year built in
2) Advanced - 4 year program that you must complete a prelim year first
3) Preliminary Medicine - 1 year prelim spot in medicine
4) Transitional Year - 1 year prelim spot in a rotating fashion
5) Transition Year (Preliminary) - I assume the same as #4

When applying:
1) Apply to all categorical and advanced radiology programs interested in
2) Apply to all prelim programs interested in (prelim medicine, trans, or surg prelim)
3) Submit your application to ALL of these programs
4) Take the interviews you can get
5) When rank time comes, you rank Radiology Programs and prelim programs secondary for each individual Radiology Program

Lastly, Personal Statements
I have written a personal statement that I think is appropriate and really sells that I want to do radiology. Do I need to write a seperate PS for prelim med & TY programs that is more generalized and only mentions that I want to do radiology?

Does that sound correct? Thanks for the help navigating this system.

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[Bevo]

2nd this.

and I dunno about how to go about applying to all these programs. There was some tab in eras about it and then I hear about the nrmp.

 

[GammaRay]

I think I understand this process correctly, but I can't seem to find a source or post that spells this out for me so I'm going to try and then you guys please correct my mistakes:

Types of Programs:
1) Categorical - 5 year program with prelim year built in
2) Advanced - 4 year program that you must complete a prelim year first
3) Preliminary Medicine - 1 year prelim spot in medicine
4) Transitional Year - 1 year prelim spot in a rotating fashion
5) Transition Year (Preliminary) - I assume the same as #4

When applying:
1) Apply to all categorical and advanced radiology programs interested in
2) Apply to all prelim programs interested in (prelim medicine, trans, or surg prelim)
3) Submit your application to ALL of these programs
4) Take the interviews you can get
5) When rank time comes, you rank Radiology Programs and prelim programs secondary for each individual Radiology Program

Lastly, Personal Statements
I have written a personal statement that I think is appropriate and really sells that I want to do radiology. Do I need to write a seperate PS for prelim med & TY programs that is more generalized and only mentions that I want to do radiology?

Does that sound correct? Thanks for the help navigating this system.

You are essentially correct. However, you do not have to "link" your prelim year to your radiology residency. For example, you could stay in the state where you currently live to do a prelim or transitional year and go somewhere completely different for rads. residency (or vice versa).

NRMP is the match program, ERAS is the application system. ERAS simply forwards your info to the programs you select. After you interview, you rank the programs you like using the NRMP website. The NRMP then takes rank lists of students submitted by the residency programs and "matches" students with programs. The goal is to place each student at their highest ranked residency that also ranked them highly.

 

[bcmitch]

And a follow-up question:
Do you have to pay to submit to each individual radiology and intern year programs. For example, if I want to apply to 20 rad programs and their 20 corresponding med preliminary internships, do I have to pay the fee for 40 applications?

 

[colbgw02]

And a follow-up question:
Do you have to pay to submit to each individual radiology and intern year programs. For example, if I want to apply to 20 rad programs and their 20 corresponding med preliminary internships, do I have to pay the fee for 40 applications?

the radiology, the transitional year, the preliminary medicine, and the preliminary surgery programs are all considered to be in separate categories. meaning you will pay the base fee for the category which lets you apply to 10 program within that category before incurring an additional fee.

an example, and please keep in mind that these numbers aren't accurate, but you'll get the point. let's say you want to apply to 20 radiology programs, 10 transitional year programs, 5 preliminary medicine programs, and 5 preliminary surgery programs. let's say that the base fee for the category is $100, and let's say that each additional program over the first 10 costs you $25 more. so...

20 radiology programs - base fee $100 + 10 additional programs at $25 each = $350.

10 transitional programs - base fee $100

5 preliminary medicine programs - base fee $100

5 preliminary surgery programs - base fee $100

total - $650

 

[bnichols0330]

thanks for the input. what about the personal statements. do most people have 1 for their rads programs and 1 for their prelim programs or do most people send the same PS to all types of programs?

 

[Dwite]

Our dean was talking about the serious consequences of breaking contracts once match results are announced.

My question is this- if I don't match in radiology, and would rather take a year off than do my internship, how do I do this on my rank list? I don't want to get committed to an internship only.

 

[flux=rad]

Our dean was talking about the serious consequences of breaking contracts once match results are announced.

My question is this- if I don't match in radiology, and would rather take a year off than do my internship, how do I do this on my rank list? I don't want to get committed to an internship only.

When you create your match list, there will be a dedicated subset for preliminary programs for every advanced position that you rank. That way you can tailor your prelim list for each advanced program based upon geography and other preferences. Accordingly, if you don't match to any of the advanced programs, their corresponding prelim rank lists do not get used. If your list consists of only advanced programs and their attached lists, you match nowhere if you don't match advanced.

If someone in a different situation wanted to make sure that they matched somewhere for a prelim even if they did not match advanced, the strategy would be to rank prelim programs in order of preference at the end of the primary rank list (unattached to anything else). That way once all the advanced programs go by, you are matched with a prelim all by itself. In the same manner some people use the above strategy to rank positions in more than one specialty.

An example would be:
Primary List
1. Advanced Prog A
-->a. Prelim A
-->b. Prelim B
-->c. Prelim C
2. Advanced Prog B
-->a. Prelim B
-->b. Prelim C
-->c. Prelim A
3. Advanced Prog C
-->a. Prelim C
-->b. Prelim A
-->c. Prelim B
4. Prelim A
5. Prelim B
6. Prelim C

The above student would match at a prelim alone only if they didn't match advanced. If they left the prelims off at the end (#'s 4,5,6), they wouldn't match anywhere if they didn't match advanced.

 

[indiamacbean]

To add a layer of unfortunate complexity. How does this all work with the couples match? If I am doing radiology and my wife EM, do we make a list like:
Primary List
1. Advanced Prog A
-->a. Prelim A
-->b. Prelim B
-->c. Prelim C
2. Advanced Prog B
-->a. Prelim B
-->b. Prelim C
-->c. Prelim A
3. Advanced Prog C
-->a. Prelim C
-->b. Prelim A
-->c. Prelim B


and then simply put these "nested" lists in order of preference incorporating her choices?
like:
St. Elsewhere EM-
Primary List
1. Advanced Prog A
-->a. Prelim A
-->b. Prelim B
-->c. Prelim C

Mans Best Hospital EM-
Primary List
1. Advanced Prog A
-->a. Prelim A
-->b. Prelim B
-->c. Prelim C
2. Advanced Prog B
-->a. Prelim B
-->b. Prelim C
-->c. Prelim A
3. Advanced Prog C
-->a. Prelim C
-->b. Prelim A
-->c. Prelim B

etc. I feel like there are maybe a million possible combinations done this way if we apply to many programs.

 

[conure]

In regads to the PS. I don't know what most people do. In my class we have 6 trying for Rads and I think half have written two (one for transitional, one for Rads) Personal Statements.

I wrote two. I didn't like the idea of simply changing one paragraph in my rads ps to suit a transitional year. It wasn't hard or take much time to write a second one. I think it flows/reads much better to be tailored to a transitional year, plus it's that much more "personal".