Ethical Questions- Too much of a whistle-blower, is there such a thing?

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WhittyPsyche

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So I've been reflecting on some of my group interview experiences and I am coming to the realization that in every group interview I've been in, I've been feeling like I am the hard-ass so to speak.

Ex. At one particular school, 4 of us had to decide what to do about a friend and lab partner that was falsifying data, and publishing said false data.
-Great discussions took place and we examined many sides of the issue but when it came down to actually saying what actions we would take following the discovery, I was definitely not on the same page. They all agreed that they would give the individual 3 weeks to a month to think about the fact hat what they were doing is wrong and potential harm (to patients if the research was clinical, and dishonesty in general if it wasn't.) My stance was that I would have the same one-on-one conversation with the individual, and we shared the same sentiments on what the talk should involve and how to approach the person etc. etc. but I said I would give the person 24 hours to bring it to come forward and bring it to the attention of the PI and the other lab members about what they had been doing, as well as suggesting potential ways to rectify the situation in hopes that they could stay in the lab. They didn't agree and thought the person should have the month for soul-searching, I thought the ramifications, on everyone involved in the lab, was too great to take such a lenient response because it is your friend.

In the end I felt like they thought my approach was too harsh and brought up things like the person's confidence and self-esteem, and yes while those things can be discussed in fixing the situation I didn't see why that would take precedence over putting a stop to it first. This kind of situation has repeated itself in most of my group interviews over ethical dilemmas, I have always said honestly what I would do, but I have been feeling self-conscious that it hasn't been what the majority of the group would do.

Maybe it's because my background and current position in research is as a project coordinator and I deal with all the IRB and red tape and rules in design and implementation of protocol, so in my eyes, if one of my RAs is being dishonest about their work, I need to know asap so I can fix it before our grants, reputation, and/or participants' wellbeing are in jeopardy. I wonder if my opinions have stood out in the wrong way in these situations though, I mean do they want a soft touch to responses?

Thoughts?
 
I am no expert but if its a situation in which it can affect others livelihood and taking care of themselves or kids, the time for soul searching goes out the door. So I would agree with you, also confronting the person is not always the best thing to do when issues are serious because you never know when someone can flip a bad situation on you. Sometimes its best to access the institutions Chain of Command/hierarchy in addressing these issues .
 
I'd agree with you. I think it obviously depends on the situation but publishing falsified data seems pretty serious to me.
 
People tend to be super averse to snitching - regardless of how justified it is. That's why they were so hesitant.
 
I am no expert but if its a situation in which it can affect others livelihood and taking care of themselves or kids, the time for soul searching goes out the door. So I would agree with you, also confronting the person is not always the best thing to do when issues are serious because you never know when someone can flip a bad situation on you. Sometimes its best to access the institutions Chain of Command/hierarchy in addressing these issues .

Right they were drawing the line between if patients are directly affected versus if its basic science research. And I get that the humanistic side plays a part but even basic science research affects someone on some level, ex. the PI or grad student who doesn't realize what you are doing.

I'd agree with you. I think it obviously depends on the situation but publishing falsified data seems pretty serious to me.

Exactly, I agree.

People tend to be super averse to snitching - regardless of how justified it is. That's why they were so hesitant.

Right, which is probably why all these prompts always add "your friend" instead of "one of the RAs" but seeing the trend in opinions over and over again made me think like wait, am I cold because I don't think it should matter that it is your friend? Especially when I'm sitting there and they are unanimously against me.
 
Right, which is probably why all these prompts always add "your friend" instead of "one of the RAs" but seeing the trend in opinions over and over again made me think like wait, am I cold because I don't think it should matter that it is your friend? Especially when I'm sitting there and they are unanimously against me.

I think it'd be especially disappointing if it was your friend. I don't really care what strangers do, but I would expect better of my friend.
 
I don't know. A 24 hours ultimatum to think about a decision that could potentially lead to working at burger king is pretty scary. The emotional distress of being discovered can also lead to some irrational on-the-spot decisions. A one month passive approach is also not preferable... alot of that time could be used for damage control.

Your followup is something I agree with, damage control + disciplinary measures with the incentive of staying in the lab. It may even take less than 24 hours to reach a decision, but it depends on the level of rapport, compassion, and support you're willing to offer this friend (which can be a challenge). Can't just be like "I'm going to give you 24 hours to out yourself or I will..." sort of thing.
 
I don't know. A 24 hours ultimatum to think about a decision that could potentially lead to working at burger king is pretty scary. The emotional distress of being discovered can also lead to some irrational on-the-spot decisions. A one month passive approach is also not preferable... alot of that time could be used for damage control.

Your followup is something I agree with, damage control + disciplinary measures with the incentive of staying in the lab. It may even take less than 24 hours to reach a decision, but it depends on the level of rapport, compassion, and support you're willing to offer this friend (which can be a challenge). Can't just be like "I'm going to give you 24 hours to out yourself or I will..." sort of thing.

Very true. We agreed on the approach to the conversation, keeping in mind the kind of responses people can have when they're caught/ashamed/panicked and my point in the 24 hrs was to make it clear to the individual that I had an obligation and responsibility to come forward whether or not they chose to because we could all (as a lab) face the repercussions of those actions. There is a lot in the approach that would be person-dependent of course.

This was just one example, but in all the situations at different group interviews I felt like I was the only one that was more for the "take action, take responsibility, ASAP" approach. There was a lot more of the hesitance and careful choice of words that, to me, felt uncomfortable.

Actually, in this same interview, one of the applicants advocated giving more time to the person because "who knows maybe they were falsifying because the way it was supposed to be done didn't make sense and the protocol should be changed, and his way actually turned out to be the better way". And it just started to seem like they were looking for reasons to not have to blow the whistle or call the person out.


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