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UnderdogMD said:
Thanks for the great info. I understand the doing well part, but could you please explain what you mean by "don't polarize yourself"
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What i mean is pretty much dont damage your reputation with anyone on the admissions committee or anyone with any amount of influence in general.

It is not 100% guaranteed that you will get the spot at EVMS but if you put in the effort and still want to go to med school at the end of the program, you will get in. You are expected to do better than the M1s, i mean come on, you have less class then they do, it should be pretty much automatic! As far as how much better, if you want to gamble with $30k in tuition, at the very least, you should pass all of your classes. I have heard of several people who have gotten below average (a C) in a class or two and have still gotten in. In addition, you are expected to get at least a high pass or honors in at least a class every semester.

The graduate school classes seem like they're going to be pretty easy based on my discussions with the program director here. The 2 classes are once a week each, have 2 exams, both of which are take home. So pretty much for the 2nd semester we are taking physio, biochem and the two grad school classes. Med students are taking 3 additional classes, neuroscience, human development and a medical mentorship class. This pretty much means we have a ton of time to study for 2 classes.

I feel like this program really is designed for people with bad gpas and decent/good mcats who really cant get to the interview stage. You really dont have time to take the mcat here while in the program so its more or less expected that your score is already good in preparation for matriculation the following year.
 
blindkutha said:
What i mean is pretty much dont damage your reputation with anyone on the admissions committee or anyone with any amount of influence in general.

It is not 100% guaranteed that you will get the spot at EVMS but if you put in the effort and still want to go to med school at the end of the program, you will get in. You are expected to do better than the M1s, i mean come on, you have less class then they do, it should be pretty much automatic! As far as how much better, if you want to gamble with $30k in tuition, at the very least, you should pass all of your classes. I have heard of several people who have gotten below average (a C) in a class or two and have still gotten in. In addition, you are expected to get at least a high pass or honors in at least a class every semester.

The graduate school classes seem like they're going to be pretty easy based on my discussions with the program director here. The 2 classes are once a week each, have 2 exams, both of which are take home. So pretty much for the 2nd semester we are taking physio, biochem and the two grad school classes. Med students are taking 3 additional classes, neuroscience, human development and a medical mentorship class. This pretty much means we have a ton of time to study for 2 classes.

I feel like this program really is designed for people with bad gpas and decent/good mcats who really cant get to the interview stage. You really dont have time to take the mcat here while in the program so its more or less expected that your score is already good in preparation for matriculation the following year.
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don't forget about the 30 page research thesis we should be working on as we speak! all of us are pretty much permanent residents at the library or hermits in our rooms.
 
i was wondering what is the thesis on, like is it lab based research or research on a medical topic.
 
The thesis is library based. You're given a list of graduate advisors (professors) along with their list of possible thesis topics. You pick a topic off the list and meet with your advisor. Some of the topics are pretty narrow, so you're just answering the question presented. Some other topics are broad, and you'll have to figure out how focused you want your paper to be. From what I hear from people, the thesis isn't too big a deal.

In response to questions about personal statements, I did pretty much what Ilovesciene did. I turned in my amcas PS with the last paragraph tailored to the EVMS program. Get your apps in soon, it helps, good luck!
 
Just out of curiosity, current students, what are your thesis topics?
 
Whats my thesis topic? Even i dont know the answer to that... haha...

I'm actually going to talk about a particular cancer's diagnostic and treatment options... as for which one, I have no clue. As you can see this is an example of a broad topic.

The thesis isnt really a big deal at all. Not very many of us are concerned about it and we have a draft due on Dec 15.
 
My topic is also fairly broad at the moment....mitochondrial basis of Alzheimer's Disease. A rough draft of the paper is due Dec. 15 so I'll be narrowing it down over the next week or so. Definitely don't stress about the thesis. The advisors expect serious effort but it is basically reviewing research and presenting current theories and findings and possibilties for future research.
 
I am in love with EVMS and submitted my things about a week ago. If I get in I think I would withdraw my other applications and do a little dance 🙂

Here's to hoping and praying!
 
Sarahgelatinano said:
I am in love with EVMS and submitted my things about a week ago. If I get in I think I would withdraw my other applications and do a little dance 🙂

Here's to hoping and praying!
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Me too! Would absolutely withdraw stuff from elsewhere... Good luck!!!
 
Ok, here's the deal (without trying to sound like a complete jerk): I really want to make sure this is out there on the web, especially with all the talk on this board lately. The Med Master program is HARD. If you want to get in you HAVE to make grades, you HAVE to beat the M1's, that is what they are basing their thoughts on. If you can walk in and show them that you are doing better than those in their M1 year, you will be fine. But this is no easy task. It takes extreme dedication at the expense of most social events, as a previous post said, some live in the library; that should be absolutely true (or if not library, live at your desk at home). The point is this is not a give me. People with some pretty good grades don't get in, you have to put in the work and knock this out of the park. This is your chance, blow it in this program, and the application process will be even more daunting than before. Think of how it would seem that you had a class less and still performed worse than the medical students. Again, I am not trying to come across mean, I just want to be sure that someone said the truth. This program is no joke, the rewards are tremendous if you can make it, but it will take a level of dedication to studies that most have not experienced before.
 
PackLax said:
Ok, here's the deal (without trying to sound like a complete jerk): I really want to make sure this is out there on the web, especially with all the talk on this board lately. The Med Master program is HARD. If you want to get in you HAVE to make grades, you HAVE to beat the M1's, that is what they are basing their thoughts on. If you can walk in and show them that you are doing better than those in their M1 year, you will be fine. But this is no easy task. It takes extreme dedication at the expense of most social events, as a previous post said, some live in the library; that should be absolutely true (or if not library, live at your desk at home). The point is this is not a give me. People with some pretty good grades don't get in, you have to put in the work and knock this out of the park. This is your chance, blow it in this program, and the application process will be even more daunting than before. Think of how it would seem that you had a class less and still performed worse than the medical students. Again, I am not trying to come across mean, I just want to be sure that someone said the truth. This program is no joke, the rewards are tremendous if you can make it, but it will take a level of dedication to studies that most have not experienced before.
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good wake up call 😉
 
on the EVMS app, would it be better for me to submit a professional looking resume or add each activity/job separately and write a paragraph for each one? This is in the Job History section... It says either or for resume vs paragraph

thanks
 
MikeMD I think either way would be fine. I would submit a resume if you already have one.

In response to Packlax, yeah, it's definitely not easy. You need to dedicate yourself to the program, it's mentally taxing. My study habits have gotten much better since I got here, you're forced to learn how to deal with the workload.
 
So who else applied for the Fall 2008 entering class?
 
Are we supposed to wait until the fall semester grades for our senior year come out to apply?
 
I am complete now and just waiting.

And NO, I don't think it is going to be some cake walk. I know it will be VERY VERY hard because of the standard you have to keep up too. Plus, it can completely kill all chances of getting into medical school if you don't do well. A little scary...but well worth it!

Also, I have searched and searched and cannot find the answer to this question.

If you get into EVMS med school the next year, are you required to retake the classes you already took for the medical masters? Can you test out of them?

I called the office and I am COMPLETE! Here's to more hoping and more praying....
 
Sarahgelatinano said:
I am complete now and just waiting.

And NO, I don't think it is going to be some cake walk. I know it will be VERY VERY hard because of the standard you have to keep up too. Plus, it can completely kill all chances of getting into medical school if you don't do well. A little scary...but well worth it!

Also, I have searched and searched and cannot find the answer to this question.

If you get into EVMS med school the next year, are you required to retake the classes you already took for the medical masters? Can you test out of them?

I called the office and I am COMPLETE! Here's to more hoping and more praying....
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just fyi, your question has been answered in this thread a few times. 🙂

the grading system there is something like fail, pass, high pass, honor pass (don't quote me on the exact terms used). if you high or honor pass the class, you don't have to retake it at the evms med school. great huh?
 
vahe99 said:
why the wait, out of curiousity...waiting for grades to post?
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A couple of reasons

a) I'm nearing the end of the first quarter of a good chunk of my pre-reqs (physics, orgo and bio) so I"m a bit overwhelmed with course work

b) I'm waiting for those grades

c) I'm not taking the mcat until Jan, so I figure I'll apply closer to that date

d) I'm applying to schools right now as well (D.O) so I"m working on those secondary's and what not
 
LauraDO said:
A couple of reasons

a) I'm nearing the end of the first quarter of a good chunk of my pre-reqs (physics, orgo and bio) so I"m a bit overwhelmed with course work

b) I'm waiting for those grades

c) I'm not taking the mcat until Jan, so I figure I'll apply closer to that date

d) I'm applying to schools right now as well (D.O) so I"m working on those secondary's and what not
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how'd you apply to D.O. without already taking MCAT? or am I missing something? good luck either way!
 
LauraDO said:
A couple of reasons

a) I'm nearing the end of the first quarter of a good chunk of my pre-reqs (physics, orgo and bio) so I"m a bit overwhelmed with course work

b) I'm waiting for those grades

c) I'm not taking the mcat until Jan, so I figure I'll apply closer to that date

d) I'm applying to schools right now as well (D.O) so I"m working on those secondary's and what not
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cool, good luck!
 
vahe99 said:
just fyi, your question has been answered in this thread a few times. 🙂

the grading system there is something like fail, pass, high pass, honor pass (don't quote me on the exact terms used). if you high or honor pass the class, you don't have to retake it at the evms med school. great huh?
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Yes, if you high pass or honors a class, with the exception of Embryology, you do not have to retake it as an M1. You will also be assigned a letter grade for each course, that will appear on your transcript for the Master's program. The transcript can be sent out to the other medical schools that you are applying to for the next academic year.
 
BK421 said:
Yes, if you high pass or honors a class, with the exception of Embryology, you do not have to retake it as an M1. You will also be assigned a letter grade for each course, that will appear on your transcript for the Master's program. The transcript can be sent out to the other medical schools that you are applying to for the next academic year.
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oh great, i didn't know about the letter grade part...so is the other designation (honors/high/pass/etc) based on percentages or actual letter grades?
 
Honors/high pass/pass is a little different for each course but the designation is based on percentages and standard deviations. The letter grades correlate somewhat with the honors, etc. but will not match up exactly with honors=A, high pass=B, etc.
 
BK421 said:
Honors/high pass/pass is a little different for each course but the designation is based on percentages and standard deviations. The letter grades correlate somewhat with the honors, etc. but will not match up exactly with honors=A, high pass=B, etc.
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cool, thanks for the info
 
Hey everybody! i'm new to this thread...im currently a senior in college and applying to the EVMS medical masters program. Anyways i called the Admissions office today and spoke to Ms. Myanguna...maybe i didnt spell that right..ehh ..anyways... i asked her if my app was complete yet, bc my profs sent my rec letters about 2 weeks ago. She said "Oh well, i'll change your status to complete." I said "Great! So when do we hear back?" She pretty much didn't know ..but guessed that they would prolly start reviewing apps in Dec/but most likely in January. Anyways,... i am waiting like a lot of you...GOOD LUCK everyone! ~God willing i will be there next year.:horns:

Rock on. Stay strong. Migs22
 
Anybody heard anything yet? From what I understand, they are going to start reviewing applications either this week or next week. I'm reaaally nervous lol.
 
I wish they would hurry up already! All this waiting is enough to make me go grey!!!!!
 
will they review my application even though I only have 2 of my 3 recommendations sent in? The 3rd guy is taking forever but he finally "promised" me he'll have it sent within the next 2 weeks.

UGH hate waiting!
 
I am almost certain that an application will not be reviewed until all supporting transcripts and letters of recommendation are in the file...i.e. application complete. The committee would waste a lot of time going through files multiple times if they reviewed files before completion.

Unfortunately, the whole application process for this program and med school is a "hurry up to wait" situation. Consider yourselves very fortunate if you are accepted early on. Otherwise, you have to keep playing the waiting game which often plays out until classes start in August. UGH!!!

Good luck to everyone hoping for a seat in the 2009 Class!!!
 
I doubt you'll get an acceptance/rejection decision based on an incomplete app. However, they may be able to advise you on how to improve certain aspects of your application; though, I personally dont know of anyone who has had this happen to them.

Heres a reply I made to someone else's question about EVMS. I dont want to lose this thread in the archives of SDN... Its too good!



Class size will probably be around 23-25 I'm guessing. Its currently 23 but its been going up by a couple every year.

By being in this program, you are guaranteed an interview at EVMS.

Applying right now does not put you at a disadvantage at all. I think an overwhelming number of the applications come in after winter break when the outlook starts looking bad for current med school applicants. I know I applied towards the end of January and I got in. People had gotten in before I submitted my application as well.

At the same time, do not delay your app! I hear the current number of applications submitted has gone up a lot thanks largely to greater awareness through SDN. I know some of my classmates know more about this then I do.
 
Hey guys! I have a question for current/past med master's especially... I realize that there are several good options for apartments, but do you all have roommates? How did you find your roommate? Are they students at EVMS? I know it's super early, but the boredom of winter break has got me thinking a lot about next year.

I really appreciate any feedback!
 
ChemNerd4 said:
Hey guys! I have a question for current/past med master's especially... I realize that there are several good options for apartments, but do you all have roommates? How did you find your roommate? Are they students at EVMS? I know it's super early, but the boredom of winter break has got me thinking a lot about next year.

I really appreciate any feedback!
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Yea, I'd also love to know the answers to those...also do you guys find that you need a car to get around or are the pembroke and hauge towers walking distance from class, grocery store etc.??
 
NYCarebear said:
Yea, I'd also love to know the answers to those...also do you guys find that you need a car to get around or are the pembroke and hauge towers walking distance from class, grocery store etc.??
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I can't answer the roommate question since I live by myself, but I would definitely recommend having a car. You can find a place nearby that is walking distance to the school, but otherwise you are pretty isolated unless you have a car. The public transportation is pretty crappy here as well.
 
I think I am one of the few in my class that has a roommate. I searched on sinapse, the school classifieds I guess, and emailed several people. Eventually, I emailed the website administrator so that I could post an ad as well. Right now would be too early for sinapse postings. You'll see a great increase in people posting for roommates for their apartments starting in April. Since I was taking classes up until I started the program, and I am from out of state, I didn't get a chance to check out the apt or meet my roommate in person before signing the lease, but we did talk on the phone and through email for months. She is a medical student at EVMS.

I do not have a car, but I don't mind walking...I think I walk up to a mile or a little less than that to get to a grocery store. It takes me around 5 minutes to get to class. I haven't tried out the bus system, but my roommate has a car, and I have a few classmates that have cars and are nice enough to drive me if I ever need them to. I take a cab to the airport if I can't find a ride, and it's approximately 16-18 dollars. For this year, It's been fine without a car since I'm studying at school or at my place most of the time, but for med school, it would be much more convenient to have a car to get to places i.e. free clinics and rotation sites during the 3rd and 4th year. If you have a car, parking is free in the parking garage on campus. You just need to get a sensor sticker and fill out some papers.

Pembroke Towers & Hague Park are practically across the street from the school. If I haven't mixed up the names, I believe Hague Towers is a little down the way. I don't think you would want to walk from there to class.

Hope this helps!
 
ChemNerd4 said:
Hey guys! I have a question for current/past med master's especially... I realize that there are several good options for apartments, but do you all have roommates? How did you find your roommate? Are they students at EVMS? I know it's super early, but the boredom of winter break has got me thinking a lot about next year.

I really appreciate any feedback!
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I live in Pembroke Towers which is right across the street from school. It takes me like 4 minutes to get to class (walking). I dont plan on living there next year cause i'm getting ripped off ie 900 bucks a month for a studio on the top floor. I dont have time to enjoy the view nor do I have much furniture in my pad. I'd rather live in the Hague club apartments which are university owned, a little closer, and are a lot cheaper... 650 a month for a 1 bedroom. As an incoming student, you need to be on the waitlist for the hague club apartments to get it and even then, the chances of you getting a spot before school starts are virtually non-existant. Hague Park is next door to Pembroke, in between the Hague Club and Pembroke Towers, and is cheaper than Pembroke with about the same quality. They are worth checking out if you want to live close and in a tower. In retrospect, I'd live there over PT.

I dont have a roommate but I didnt really try to get one too hard. I got one of the few remaining units at Pembroke, I actually signed the lease with out even visiting Norfolk. I think I did this in mid-July. Another thing out here is that most big apartment complexes pay for all of your utilities (ie water, gas, electric, trash, parking). This is largely unheard of in California.

I dont have a car but have yet to encounter any significant problems related to this at all. You honestly dont really need one. Sure you might have to work around other people's schedules so its a little inconvenient but I dont lose sleep over not having a car. PT is close enough to walk to most places. Hague towers is a little bit farther but very walkable, although most people that live there elect to drive... If I need a ride, I can usually convince someone that giving me a ride is in their best interests... If all else fails, cab it. I guess it helps that I live near a lot of other students so it does make it a bit easier to get rides. Ultimately, it comes down to how many drivers you know and how well you know each other. FYI, It costs about 1000 bucks and a little over a week to get your car towed out here from California.
 
ilovescience and blindkutha thank you so so much for that detailed and specific info!

very, very helpful!

when would you recommend to actually apply for an apartment? I'm planning on visiting around April, do you think that will be too early?
 
It might be a little early, but I don't remember exactly. When I went in March, the few places I checked out near the school said that they don't receive notice from their current tenants (if they are leaving/staying) until May/June. You can call Hague Club Apartments and say that you will be an EVMS student next year, and I think they can put you on the waiting list on the phone after they fax you some paperwork. Not too sure about it since I haven't done this, but I know a few classmates that have signed up.

And before you come to visit, be sure to call the admissions office so you can meet with Dr. Meyer or someone from EVMS that can show you around town and the campus. That's what I did. You can also ask them about housing, but everyone pretty much just says to walk in a one mile radius of the school and look at places. If anything, I'm sure at least one of us here would be more than willing to show you around when you come.
 
ilovescience said:
It might be a little early, but I don't remember exactly. When I went in March, the few places I checked out near the school said that they don't receive notice from their current tenants (if they are leaving/staying) until May/June. You can call Hague Club Apartments and say that you will be an EVMS student next year, and I think they can put you on the waiting list on the phone after they fax you some paperwork. Not too sure about it since I haven't done this, but I know a few classmates that have signed up.

And before you come to visit, be sure to call the admissions office so you can meet with Dr. Meyer or someone from EVMS that can show you around town and the campus. That's what I did. You can also ask them about housing, but everyone pretty much just says to walk in a one mile radius of the school and look at places. If anything, I'm sure at least one of us here would be more than willing to show you around when you come.
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Cool, thanks ILovescience. I'll give Dr. Meyer a call in the spring and head down there around then I guess...I might take you or any one of the med masters/students on that offer!

I'm kind of getting more excited about EVMS more so than Gtown now..
 
is there really a "linkage" between the Masters program and the EVMS medical school??? if so, what do you need to get in the program in order to receive the benefit of this "linkage"???
 
zackscoot said:
is there really a "linkage" between the Masters program and the EVMS medical school??? if so, what do you need to get in the program in order to receive the benefit of this "linkage"???
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There is no official linkage, but it seems that historically if you high pass/honor your classes EVMS will let you in. Although it is not cake to excel in the program, I heard you're guaranteed an interview....although perhaps a current Med Masters can answer your question with greater accuracy
 
To the people who previously attended this program, in addition to EVMS, where else did you received interview at????
 
from the current and previous med master's classes, these are some places - VCU, GW, Cincinnati, Tulane, various osteopathic schools, some home state schools
 
ilovescience said:
from the current and previous med master's classes, these are some places - VCU, GW, Cincinnati, Tulane, various osteopathic schools, some home state schools
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How many interviews do people usually receive on average i guess...? I'm just wondering if people do receive ALOT more interviews than if not entering the program.
 
zackscoot said:
How many interviews do people usually receive on average i guess...? I'm just wondering if people do receive ALOT more interviews than if not entering the program.
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i don't think there is an answer to that question because you have to factor in which states people come from, how many schools they apply to, how early in the application period they applied, and how competitive they are prior to entering the program. some schools won't wait for your first semester grades at EVMS, and a lot will put you on hold (pre-secondary or pre-interview). so if you do get an interview, it may be late in the application period, but it will be one that you probably couldn't have gotten at all without being in the program. i won't speak for everyone, but those like me would not have a shot at allopathic medical schools without being here. if you were competitive enough to get interviews without being in this program, maybe you don't need an SMP. there isn't a clear cut answer.
 
Here's my take on it. When are you applying to med school?.... Around July-October right? So when you apply to schools, the only thing extra they are going to see is that you are IN a program. You won't even have grades you can send them. You can ask them to postpone reviewing your application until you have some grades to send them, but in my experience it is unlikely that they will actually do that. So I really don't forsee a huge increase in the numbers of schools that would give you an interview over not being in the program. However, once you COMPLETE the program, if you still have not gotten in, or don't want to go to the place you did get in, and have rockin grades in the master's program, then I can see the numbers possibly go up. The caviat being: if you have great grades, you have a pretty good shot at getting in to EVMS med school, so why would you pass it up........

To clarify an earlier post, yes you are guarenteed an interview. It is very late in the process though (the earliest date we could pick was the sometime in March). An interview as a med master does not necessarily give you a leg up in the interview, and don't think that because you rocked the Med Master year, they won't bring up past discrepencies (happened to me: still got pimped on undergrad gpa, even though I high passed or Honored every class I took as a Med Master) so have good answers for any previous short falls.
 
what i am trying to get at (i wasn't sure wat i wanted to say before) is that for those who participated in this program, how many of your classmates got acceptance to other schools other than EVMS, or do MOST people who participate in this program end up in EVMS.
 
Those who graduated from this program, for people who do not wish to go to EVMS for whatever reason, does that mean this program might not be for them???

Should those people select georgetown SMP instead????
 
Can/do Med Masters get accepted at other schools? Yes, Med Masters do get accepted at other schools during their year at EVMS. The problem as PackLax pointed out is that grades for the fall semester are available in January and for the spring semester they will be available in May. If your application depends upon getting good grades in the program, then you will still be at somewhat of a disadvantage application wise during the year you are in the Med Master program. However, if you have great grades during the program then you will have a stonger application for all schools for the next cycle...this will result in what some call a "gap" year. This will be the case with any SMP program that you participate in.

Most of the Med Masters do end up at EVMS for several reasons. First of all, you will get an interview at EVMS and if you've done well, you will most likely get an acceptance for the upcoming school year. This eliminates the gap year mentioned above. Secondly, the medical school classes that you high pass/honors as a Med Master you can opt out of for your M1 year. This gives you the opportunity to be a TA, do some free clinic work, research, etc. during your M1 year. And lastly, EVMS is committed to helping you to become an excellent physician. The faculty members are very accessible and willing to help but more importantly, the student body is a cohesive and cooperative group always willing to help and share information.
 
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