F*** pat. Why do we need pat???

[ScarletKnight24]

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I just started studying for the PAT today and bought CDP royal flush edition. I went through the tutorial and I am already struggling in cube counting....😱 The cubes are stacked crazily and sometimes I can't even tell if there is a cube in the back or not. WTF??? isn't this supposed to be the easiest section?

 

[LALAKERS24]

hey, i too started pat today(no idea where to even begin, i heard KBB has a good starting point). Anyways, i started with TFE, and got 0/15 on a kaplan online test. this sucks, but its part of the process... keep at it!

 

[ScarletKnight24]

hey, i too started pat today(no idea where to even begin, i heard KBB has a good starting point). Anyways, i started with TFE, and got 0/15 on a kaplan online test. this sucks, but its part of the process... keep at it!

Dude it feels great that I am NOT the only one struggling. I think I am even worse at TFE. I might hit KBB before going to CDP. WOW PAT SUCKS BIG time

 

[voager]

Start with Kaplan for PAT but you need more challenging questions than that so Crack DAT PAT is a good choice for cube counting , may be you can use few techniques on this page pre dds . net ..i have to put spaces to make it show here ...for some reason it's replacing it with ********

if you cannot see a cube in picture and it's not supporting any other cubes in structure then its NOT there.

 

[voager]

for some reason the weblink didnot get copied try to go to pre dds . net website and see tutorial for PAT sections

 

[jrub]

i bought the royal flush edition as well, and at 1st i had no idea what was going on but take the time to go through the tutorials and then practice practice practice , ull b hitting 22 in no time

 

[ScarletKnight24]

Start with Kaplan for PAT but you need more challenging questions than that so Crack DAT PAT is a good choice for cube counting , may be you can use few techniques on this page

http://***********/pat-techniques/

if you cannot see a cube in picture and it's not supporting any other cubes in structure then its NOT there.

YEAH exactly. She also said that if a cube isn't there then ITS NOT there but when she was counting the exposed sides, in one of the example, she said there must be a cube there because the cubes can't be connected by corners or something like that. WTF I don't know what that means.

I am planning on buying some dices today at TOYS R US and try to stack the cubes like the example to see it for myself.


Hold on while i post the pic of the example she did

 

[ScarletKnight24]

WAIT HERE IT ISSSS

wow i can't believe someone actually asked this crap already

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=891770&highlight=pat+cube+counting


In the picture he/she posted on that thread I DO know there is a cube that is marked red but

how do I know if there is a cube between the two cubes I marked blue

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29nxrna&s=6

 

[jrub]

the problem with her statement is that on some pat like acheiver they do attach stuff by corners

 

[Ari Rezaei]

All the cubes will be connected (by corners at least), so you can go ahead and assume there is one there. I'd be careful about the one you marked red though, it could just be empty and actually just parts of the cube behind it and to the side making it look like theres one 🙂

 

[bluesolic]

I just started studying for the PAT today and bought CDP royal flush edition. I went through the tutorial and I am already struggling in cube counting....😱 The cubes are stacked crazily and sometimes I can't even tell if there is a cube in the back or not. WTF??? isn't this supposed to be the easiest section?

the reason they put this kind of trash problems in the DAT is that they don't care about us.


so stressful.. I figured out all kind of this emotion during AADSAS process too.


cheer up and Keep practicing


I think they should color them so that we know there is a cube there.

it is cube counting, not cube guessing..

 

[voager]

All cubes will be connected trough faces only...atleast all the examples i have come across were....it might be a CDP mistake report it to them and see what they say.

 

[ScarletKnight24]

WTF so I spent 200 bucks for this piece of crap?

 

[TheDentist16]

I can empathize with all of you on the PAT section and its difficulty. I went through the same thing last summer. My advice is to keep working at it. Know why an answer is right, and why the other answer choices are wrong. This may seem tedious, but it'll help you ace the PAT section. By knowing what is right and why others are wrong it'll help you spot the right answer more quickly when you become more comfortable with the PAT section.

For cube counting, it's all about experience. You will never have cubes "floating" in the air. They will always be supported by cubes underneath. KBB goes over the "rules" or guidelines on what to expect in the cube counting section. You will all start to ace this section in no time with patience and practice. I can assure you all that this will become the easiest section to score those points towards your PAT subscore. Keep practicing and don't get too frustrated with this section! We all have gone through it successfully and you all can do it too!

 

[amona]

Just as an advise to you, in the TFE section do not depend on the line counting method you will be screwed just like me. The tutorial is great for some sections but the TFE is not gonna work. I depended on that method and on the real PAT section i got 15!! " i missed up here and there too" Yah it is good method to use for like 2 or 3 /15 questions, the others you have to "imagine it and see it" in your head.

 

[LALAKERS24]

Just as an advise to you, in the TFE section do not depend on the line counting method you will be screwed just like me. The tutorial is great for some sections but the TFE is not gonna work. I depended on that method and on the real PAT section i got 15!! " i missed up here and there too" Yah it is good method to use for like 2 or 3 /15 questions, the others you have to "imagine it and see it" in your head.

I just started PAT today and have been using the line counting method for TFE. Are you saying I should stay away from it completely now? Why won't it work on the real DAT? thanks for your help and time!


Also, is the royal flush edition worth it for PAT beginners (are the video and tutorials good)? Or is the 10 prac test version enough?

 

[ScarletKnight24]

LOL I just did kaplan blue book cube counting and it felt great I hope the real cube counting is this easy.

 

[theGNOME]

You are not alone! PAT is extremely tedious and is already wearing me down. I am just starting to look at this section a little every day and I am getting headaches.. But, as everyone says, practice makes perfect. So that is what I keep telling myself. :/

 

[ScarletKnight24]

You are not alone! PAT is extremely tedious and is already wearing me down. I am just starting to look at this section a little every day and I am getting headaches.. But, as everyone says, practice makes perfect. So that is what I keep telling myself. :/

Hey it's great to see I'm not the only one struggling! I felt frustrated many times but I hope I won't give up when I get to tfe and pattern folding

 

[Kahr]

LOL I just did kaplan blue book cube counting and it felt great I hope the real cube counting is this easy.

I'll tell you right now, the real PAT is pretty easy. If you want to experience a near identical test to the real one, get the paid ADA practice test. CDP and the like will help prepare you in terms of speed and general feel for the sections, but the ADA test is the only one that matches the real thing near perfectly, for obvious reasons. I myself struggled too, and hated it, I couldn't even finish the CDP practice tests in time, but by the time I finished the real thing I pulled a near perfect score on it. Oh and KBB was pretty much useless for the PAT in my opinion.

 

[dymm]

I'll tell you right now, the real PAT is pretty easy. If you want to experience a near identical test to the real one, get the paid ADA practice test. CDP and the like will help prepare you in terms of speed and general feel for the sections, but the ADA test is the only one that matches the real thing near perfectly, for obvious reasons. I myself struggled too, and hated it, I couldn't even finish the CDP practice tests in time, but by the time I finished the real thing I pulled a near perfect score on it. Oh and KBB was pretty much useless for the PAT in my opinion.

^ =/.



OP, the fact that I am left handed doesn't mean much but I like to think of myself as a 3-dimentional/spatial thinker. I also felt good about most of PAT sections (with the exception of PF) while I was preparing for the DAT. I used 10 test CDP, and a few full length tests to prepare for the PAT and scored around 22-25.
However, on the real DAT I struggled with the KH section, which at times felt like the answer choices were drawn by a 10 year old. I also struggled with the HP section, since I saw many "half-folds" and weird punches. I have to say that CC was the easiest section for my DAT, which had small stacks of cubes that were very doable and not time consuming. Anyways I ended up with 20PAT on my DAT 🙁.
If I were to redo it all over again, I would definitely do Achiever practice tests, and all other PAT materials that are available to expose myself to all types of questions for each PAT subsection. If I were you, I definitely would not underestimate the PAT section when I take the DAT.

 

[ushaseos]

2 things:

1) PAT isn't the easiest section. I don't know who told you guys PAT is easy, but that person needs to reprimanded SEVERELY! It is one of those sections that some will do well on naturally, while others will struggle with A LOT.

2) PAT question types aren't like Bio where you can just read over the facts once and you're good. Its all about practice. More importantly, DO NOT try to rush prepping for PAT. If you're struggling, use all the strategies you can have learned do 1 test a day tops. Taking those long breaks helps your brain organize which strategies to use when. PAT scores improve rapidly with practice, but your must be patient when attempting that practice.

For all of you who have CDP, I honestly suggest turning off the timer for the first couple tests and just take your time. It helps you familiarize yourself without worrying about time. Once you feel confident, try it with the 60 minutes - alternatively if you don't feel comfortable try 90 minutes or something. Anecdotal evidence isn't permissible, but I got a 16 on my first CDP test not even answering 29 questions. On the second one, I got a 18 but this time timer was off. I struggled with PAT, but ended up getting a 23 on the real one. Its a difficult task to be sure, but definitely one within reach

 

[ScarletKnight24]

I'll tell you right now, the real PAT is pretty easy. If you want to experience a near identical test to the real one, get the paid ADA practice test. CDP and the like will help prepare you in terms of speed and general feel for the sections, but the ADA test is the only one that matches the real thing near perfectly, for obvious reasons. I myself struggled too, and hated it, I couldn't even finish the CDP practice tests in time, but by the time I finished the real thing I pulled a near perfect score on it. Oh and KBB was pretty much useless for the PAT in my opinion.

Why is kbb useless?

Also is the Ada practice test free? I typed Ada sample test on google and it gave me a free 2009 test. Is there more I can buy?

 

[ScarletKnight24]

^ =/.



OP, the fact that I am left handed doesn't mean much but I like to think of myself as a 3-dimentional/spatial thinker. I also felt good about most of PAT sections (with the exception of PF) while I was preparing for the DAT. I used 10 test CDP, and a few full length tests to prepare for the PAT and scored around 22-25.
However, on the real DAT I struggled with the KH section, which at times felt like the answer choices were drawn by a 10 year old. I also struggled with the HP section, since I saw many "half-folds" and weird punches. I have to say that CC was the easiest section for my DAT, which had small stacks of cubes that were very doable and not time consuming. Anyways I ended up with 20PAT on my DAT 🙁.
If I were to redo it all over again, I would definitely do Achiever practice tests, and all other PAT materials that are available to expose myself to all types of questions for each PAT subsection. If I were you, I definitely would not underestimate the PAT section when I take the DAT.

I don't understand the purpose of the sad face if you got a 20 on the PAT

 

[LALAKERS24]

I just started PAT today and have been using the line counting method for TFE. Are you saying I should stay away from it completely now? Why won't it work on the real DAT? thanks for your help and time!


Also, is the royal flush edition (the 3hrs of tips, tricks, video and tutorials) worth it for PAT beginners.... Or is the 10 prac test version enough?

bump...

 

[ScarletKnight24]

OH MY GOD. I just started hole punching on KBB and I feel like crying now....

Realistically speaking, how many folds are we gonna have on the real thing?

 

[voager]

a lot of odd holes and half holes ...try the 3X3 grid method it will help to visualize HP little better. for number of folds they can be three or four but may be folded beyod your imagination...: kidding ...if you have time try it with cutout papers and folding it in all possible way....to get an idea.

 

[ScarletKnight24]

a lot of odd holes and half holes ...try the 3X3 grid method it will help to visualize HP little better. for number of folds they can be three or four but may be folded beyod your imagination...: kidding ...if you have time try it with cutout papers and folding it in all possible way....to get an idea.

I did cut out a paper so I could see it for myself but man this is worse than studying for ochem and gen chem put together.

LOL you think I should try ALL the different possible folds? wow this section gonna take me a month at least to finish

 

[voager]

Definitely not all possible fold just few tricky one ...pay attention to first two folds and see when you unfold it where the edges appear.

 

[Heller123]

I was definitely feeling the same way as you just a few days ago. Practice is really the only way you'll get the hang of it. I went from a 15 on achiever to a 19 in just a few days. What helps is looking at why the wrong answers are wrong. Whenever I do Keyhole/TFE I don't always necessarily know the right answer, but I am capable of pointing out the wrong ones. It's all about examining the details.

Definitely buy Ross's videos, his techniques are very helpful. Although I wouldn't rely on line counting - I keep reading about how it fails to work on the actual DAT. There are also neat games on the predds dot net site that improve your perceptual ability.

Something I've found useful for TFE (something I started off terrible at) is when reviewing problems you get wrong, try to picture the object in 3D. It's hard at first but once you get the hang of it, you'll notice a pattern and know what to look at.

 

[Kahr]

Why is kbb useless?

Also is the Ada practice test free? I typed Ada sample test on google and it gave me a free 2009 test. Is there more I can buy?

KBB is not entirely useless, but all it does is provide a brief overview, a taste if you will. I said useless because the thing will not prepare you adequately in any way for the PAT. You're going to need to use CDP until you feel you've memorized all the problems, then once you've got your speed and familiarity with the sections as high as possible, you start using practice tests like TS, ADA, Achiever... I suppose the only useful thing in KBB to me was the full length practice tests which you should also use (and I believe with KBB you get another practice test online).

The 2009 version is the paid version (the 2007 is the free one):

http://www.ada.org/sections/educationAndCareers/pdfs/dat_sample_test_order_form.pdf

or online:

https://ibt1.prometric.com/index.asp?ibt=3486139178&

 

[ScarletKnight24]

KBB is not entirely useless, but all it does is provide a brief overview, a taste if you will. I said useless because the thing will not prepare you adequately in any way for the PAT. You're going to need to use CDP until you feel you've memorized all the problems, then once you've got your speed and familiarity with the sections as high as possible, you start using practice tests like TS, ADA, Achiever... I suppose the only useful thing in KBB to me was the full length practice tests which you should also use (and I believe with KBB you get another practice test online).

The 2009 version is the paid version (the 2007 is the free one):

http://www.ada.org/sections/educationAndCareers/pdfs/dat_sample_test_order_form.pdf

or online:

https://ibt1.prometric.com/index.asp?ibt=3486139178&

Hey thanks for the insight.

I did kbb hole punching but was still struggling but I am starting to see the pattern. I tried to do CDP and boy the fold was crazy lol.

 

[jhc83]

So I've been hearing that there is this "1/3 folds" in hole punching section....
First of all, what are these???? any examples??
Where can I find problems like this?

 

[ScarletKnight24]

So I've been hearing that there is this "1/3 folds" in hole punching section....
First of all, what are these???? any examples??
Where can I find problems like this?

I'm pretty sure there are some of those in kbb. If not than cdp

 

[ScarletKnight24]

Man. I just started hole punching in CDP and got like 40% correct lmao. It felt like a brain surgery...

also how many holes are gonna be punched for each problem on the real test normally?