Failed organic chemistry 1 can I pass organic chemistry 2

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So I took Orgo 1 and had a bad professor. I still feel like I understand a lot of it and I'm planning on getting a tutor next semester.

Would I be able to take orgo 2 if I study a loooooooooot and do well?
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how much of orgo 1 is in orgo 2? I got a D in the class
 
I wouldn't recommend it. It has been a while, but I do think that you need a good foundation of orgo 1 to be able to solve the mechanisms in orgo 2.
 
The fundamental reasoning and skills you learn in Orgo I is then attributed to Orgo II. If you don't do well in Orgo I it will significantly affect how well you do in Orgo II
 
livelovelife said:
how much of orgo 1 is in orgo 2? I got a D in the class
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A lot. Why are you trying to move on to Orgo 2, anyway? I'm assuming you are pre-med. You just got a D in Orgo I. It's a crazy idea to think about going on to Orgo II until you have Orgo I down with something much higher than a D. Bad professor is not much of an excuse at all. Nobody is going to buy it, including AdComs. What is most likely to happen if you took Orgo 2 right now is another very poor grade.
 
Yeaaaaaa, don't do that.
 
Why didn't you study a lot and get a tutor for Orgo 1 ?
We can all claim to have had a "bad professor". Its plain and simple if you wanted to make the grade you could have. There are so many resources at our disposal these days. I can Youtube IUPAC Nomenclature now and get thousands of videos that would teach me better than my "bad professor".
Re-take it.
 
I guess I'm in the minority with this opinion, but I thought Ochem II was much easier and different in nature - more about recognizing synthesis steps and a handful of large standard mechanisms, as opposed to being all about bonds and solving many unique cases of "what happens to this molecule in acid" etc. I had a couple friends that worked their butts off for B's in Ochem I that found Ochem II a breeze and got A's.

Professors can be a huge factor as well. My Ochem I prof gave exams with median scores in the 30s and 40s, where scoring well was more about speed and flashes of insight in solving difficult, unique puzzles than study time. Ochem II was scores in the 60s and 70s and studying paid off more because material in the practice would be on the test.

So, ignore the haters, and get that A.
 
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Lannister said:
You're going to have to retake ochem 1 anyways, because a D won't satisfy for the pre-req for any school that requires ochem 1.
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+1, even for schools that don't have a hard requirement you'd want to retake and do well to show you can handle it. But if you'd have the same prof again and don't think you'd do better a second time around, could always take it as a summer class at a different college. Quite common for people to dodge notoriously tough classes that way.
 
If you're impartial to that particular professor then take a different professor at the same university. How did you do in the lab ?
A higher grade in the lab would at least help you to tread water on your account of the "bad professor". Change your study approach. Get a dry erase board. That helped me big time. Go to Study groups if your University has them set up. If not make your own w a few classmates that are equally as invested as you claim you will be next attempt. Just work your butt off and get it done. This road will be tough, and people aren't going to coddle you throughout the journey.
 
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I thought OChem 2 was easier than OChem 1. You can pass it, sure, but you won't get anything out of it.

Might as well retake that D and get an A while everything's fresher then move on.
 
According to this post by the OP, they already took Orgo 2 and got an A-. Also a 516 on the MCAT:

livelovelife said:
So I go to a top 50 private college and I was wondering my chances for DO/MD schools.

sGPA: 3.2 (could be a 3.37 if I get those classes withdrawn) cGPA: 3.6
Took upper level Bio classes (about 45 credits worth) (All A's) junior/senior year
Biochem A
Orgo 2 A-
Orgo 1 D- <-- trying to withdraw
Orgo 1 retake C-
1 upper-level Bio class F <-- trying to withdraw
Physics B/C+
Bio C+/C+
Chem B-/B-

MCAT: 516
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"Lucy, you go some splainin to doOoOoO"
 
ROSC said:
Showing a dislike, disinterest, or lack of favoritism towards.
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Only the disinterest part, not the dislike, the two are contradictory. It's like saying you're unbiased about the prof

lol OP busted
 
efle said:
Only the disinterest part, not the dislike, the two are contradictory. It's like saying you're unbiased about the prof

lol OP busted
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Ahhh hah...... I see what you did there..... interesting.
 
ROSC said:
Ahhh hah...... I see what you did there..... interesting.
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Was just confused because I think most people are impartial to their profs. Well I did have one great old chem professor that would yell "The Equation of the Day" every lecture. But other than that they're just interactive textbooks 😛
 
efle said:
Was just confused because I think most people are impartial to their profs. Well I did have one great old chem professor that would yell "The Equation of the Day" every lecture. But other than that they're just interactive textbooks 😛
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My Orgo prof was a first year at our university, the new dept head, AND German....... Great guy though, but MAN was that scary signing up for that course being the Guinea pigs of the University.
 
I tutored Organic Chemistry for a year and a half, and no. Retake O-chem 1, stop blaming the professor, knuckle down and get the A, and THEN tackle O-chem II.
 
livelovelife said:
So I took Orgo 1 and had a bad professor. I still feel like I understand a lot of it [um... I feel like I have to be the mean person here and tell you... no... you didn't get it if you got failed] and I'm planning on getting a tutor next semester. [tutors are great... but ... unless you plan on meeting them 3 times a week... it's not going to make that big of a difference. The biggest difference is you practicing. Buy a ochem book and the answer key and either do practice problems or read the answers]

Would I be able to take orgo 2 if I study a loooooooooot and do well? [sure... it's possible, but it's probably not going to happen.]
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Why would you even do it?
You already got a low grade for Ochem1... you are going to go into Ochem II (which was mostly just carbonyl ochemI made harder) - so you can get another low grade for ochem2? THen you will probably need to retake both OchemI and II.... what's the point of this?
 
moisne said:
tutors are great... but ... unless you plan on meeting them 3 times a week... it's not going to make that big of a difference. The biggest difference is you practicing. Buy a ochem book and the answer key and either do practice problems or read the answers
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Tutoring once a week made an enormous difference for me in Orgo 1. I was already practicing a lot, but my thought processes just needed some guidance at times. If somebody isn't putting the time in, then yeah, tutoring isn't going to help much.
 
Im not taking orgo 2 next semester. Kk guys. im taking some bio classes instead.

Nah i did get a 516. Already took the mcat but the other post was just a prediction post to see what ppl would think in the best case scenario.
 
Well if you made a 516 with out taking Ochem2, Biochem, and with making a D in Ochem 1 then you my friend are very talented. I would say you've got what it takes, go ahead and sign up for Ochem 2 and just ace it like you did the MCAT.
 
livelovelife said:
Im not taking orgo 2 next semester. Kk guys. im taking some bio classes instead.

Nah i did get a 516. Already took the mcat but the other post was just a prediction post to see what ppl would think in the best case scenario.
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In this thread - OP lies about everything and asks for advice.
 
livelovelife said:
So I took Orgo 1 and had a bad professor. I still feel like I understand a lot of it and I'm planning on getting a tutor next semester.

Would I be able to take orgo 2 if I study a loooooooooot and do well?
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Depends on your work ethic. Why in the world would you consider taking organic chem II if you can't do well in organic chem I. I don't think you can even take organic II without passing organic I
 
efle said:
I guess I'm in the minority with this opinion, but I thought Ochem II was much easier and different in nature - more about recognizing synthesis steps and a handful of large standard mechanisms, as opposed to being all about bonds and solving many unique cases of "what happens to this molecule in acid" etc. I had a couple friends that worked their butts off for B's in Ochem I that found Ochem II a breeze and got A's.

Professors can be a huge factor as well. My Ochem I prof gave exams with median scores in the 30s and 40s, where scoring well was more about speed and flashes of insight in solving difficult, unique puzzles than study time. Ochem II was scores in the 60s and 70s and studying paid off more because material in the practice would be on the test.

So, ignore the haters, and get that A.
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Hmmm ik this is late but sounds a lot like my current ochem I class. Except our test average scores tend to be in the 60s. I've busted my a** off and I feel like I grasp the concepts very well, but somehow on the tests-well speed caused me to bomb my first test and I was slightly above the class average 2nd test yet still a mediocre score. Am yet to find the results of my third test tomorrow and can only pray that I don't end up with a C+ or below at this point in the class. But yea like you said ochem I so far really feels like "solving puzzles" under a time crunch. Can't really speak on OChem II yet until I take it.
 
if you got a D with Sn1/Sn2/E1/E2, how do you expect to understand the mechanisms all of the reactions in orgo 2?
 
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