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Bluntly, the letter is too long, too personal, and too dramatic. Ideally it should be less than one page and be very easy to follow. Otherwise, no one will read it and if they do, they will dismiss it as being some kind of personal vendetta.
 
All4MyDaughter,

What do you think can be cut out? Alot of it seems relevant and I feel that if I don't include it, they won't get the complete picture.

Here is what I think are essential:

Intro paragraphs.

incidence where he complained about introverts

incidence on tardiness 1st time

incidence on coffee

incidence on Chinese food

Incidence on poking fun at my ability to memorize

Final event/ integrity

Closing paragraph



All4MyDaughter thank you,

Ok so
1) Too biased
2) Too long/detailed.

Will work on it tonight after I comeback from NAPLEX study
Anything else?
 
I pasted it into a Word document. It's 6.5 pages. You will never be heard. You need to limit it very specific facts such as, "the professor made remarks that were racially insensitive and/or homophobic." Leave out any sentence that starts with "I think he was trying to" or "I believe he meant..." You have no insight into his motivation and it does not belong here. Stick to describing behavior.

Drop anything that sounds whiny: "I can't forgive him" or "I'm in emotional turmoil," etc. You need to appear calm and rational.

Leave out any complaints about stuff like working through Thanksgiving break, not getting a lunch break, preceptor being cold and distant, blaming your preceptor for tardiness and parking issues, and anything else that is just par for the course for rotations.

Leave out the extremely long paragraph about the other student. It's irrelevant.

No attachments of emails or cell phone pictures or text messages unless they ask for them.

Your goal is to get them to read your letter. It is ESSENTIAL that it is less than one page and doesn't make you sound like a crazy person. Your only goal is to get them to read and it and perhaps ask for more information. Then, you can provide all the details. Not in the initial letter.
 
All4MyDaughter thank you,

Ok so
1) Too biased
2) Too long/detailed.

Will work on it tonight after I comeback from NAPLEX study
Anything else?

I think you are rushing into this. Pass your NAPLEX, work as a pharmacist for a month and then use your first paycheck to hire an attorney. Let the attorney file a complaint on your behalf not only to the school but also to the board of pharmacy. If what you are saying is true then this person should not be allow to be a preceptor and the BOP can deny this person that privilege. Therefore, he can't no longer work as a professor.

However, your name will also be made public if the BOP takes action against this professor.
 
I agree with BMBiology: to make it a burning punch to this kind of scumbag preceptor, you need proper representation and legal armour. Right now, you are not even licensed yet and is basically just a graduate from the school. Your letter, though meticulous and emotionally appealing, may be considered just as another sheet of paper from a disgruntle customer to the school. Get licensed and work as an RPh for at least a month and then hire a good attorney or even just an attorney to file a case with appropriate state departments and the school itself--I bet that will make this scumbag **** in his sorry pants! Plus you can add in that now that you've been working as a pharmacist you understand how the previous experience has affected your practice and future endeavors.
I am all for students! Unless you are out right lazy and cursing at me, I will always pass everyone with a B (I've never given out anything less than a B during my times of precepting despite having students overtly disrespecting me and my practice). I think the fact that they show up everyday and endure student loan to pay for the experience is quite enough. I will try my best to not teach but rather to share what I know about drugs and pharmacy practice with them and it's up to them to decide whether or not and how they want to absorb those knowledge.
 
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I think everyone should calm down just a little bit, you are being told one side of a story here. The student already has named names of a private matter on a public forum and has shown his flair for dramatization and should probably be taken with a (large) grain of salt. Let's not breakout the torches and pitch forks.

Half of you are already telling this student to contact a lawyer and have the teacher fired over these unsubstantiated claims. As a district manager said to me years ago "If i took every corporate complaint as the direct truth I would have had to fire all of you for 'racism' a long time ago."
 
I am all for students! Unless you are out right lazy and cursing at me, I will always pass everyone with a B (I've never given out anything less than a B during my times of precepting despite having students overtly disrespecting me and my practice).

Grade inflation, anyone?
 
PharmilyValues,

Please advise where I have named names in this thread? I will promptly remove the names. Thank you

I can assure that most of my claims are substantiated via text messages, email attachments which I will not post on a public forum.

With regards to the verbal abuses, they can further be proven if the other student tells the truth, which she may/may not do.

Thank you for your input and I agree that there are 2 sides to the story
 
If someone feels he/she has been wronged, shouldn't that person seek legal advise?

Of course we don't know what actually happened. That is up to the school to decide but I think this person should be fairly represented.

Some people can be an a-hole when they have power over someone especially when that person doesnt fight back.
 
I would have hung up on you too. You got your degree so get over it! Where are the damages that stem from these alleged homophobic and racist remarks?
 
I would have hung up on you too. You got your degree so get over it! Where are the damages that stem from these alleged homophobic and racist remarks?

Emotional distress.
 
I would have hung up on you too. You got your degree so get over it! Where are the damages that stem from these alleged homophobic and racist remarks?

This. No lawyer is going to take a case without the possibility of substantial damages, since that's how they get paid.
 
Emotional distress.

From what I've experienced, this tends to be analogous to giving an insanity plea for murder defense: it only works on TV. It could certainly be valid, but I don't think it will gain any traction unless OP has some kind of documented counseling on the matter. I don't think a psychiatric consult would even cut it; psychiatric visits imply a diagnosis is being made i.e. you don't know what's wrong. I've only seen people get referred to counseling once they have an idea of what's going on. On top of that, I would wager a therapist would be quicker to go to bat for the OP in court faster than anybody else should the need arise.

That being said, a good lawyer would do some digging on the matter to see if this has been an ongoing problem with the school or not. Who knows, depending on what could turn up, you might be able to intimidate them into a settlement! Anythings possible, but whatever the outcome is, you will never get the best possible outcome tackling this by yourself.
 
OP: Let us review your goals:

An official letter of apology from Dr. V
Highly unlikely.

a refund on the tuition for my make up rotation
Unlikely.

and a change of grade from F to NG
You might have success here. To get that, you will probably have to sign a legal agreement releasing the school from any and all future legal claims and liability. Are you willing to do that? I am speculating that you aren't.
 
I can appreciate how frustrated and pissed off you feel, but sometimes you have to let things go. I had a rotation that was horrible myself. I was degraded by the preceptor and my fellow student was given all the recognition for doing no work and being on facebook all day. Guess what? I sucked it up, finished the rotation under the radar and ended up creating programs that are still done to this day at the site.

You still graduated and are a pharmacist. He can't take that away from you anymore. He is just a mean person that likes making people miserable. I worked with many people like that and still do. You will also work with people like him in the future. The only thing that can change is how you deal with it.
 
Also, after re-reading your letter to whomever, I do not even see clear case of discrimination.

1. You "believed" he was referring to Asians. Unless he directly said it, you inferred something that may or may not have been there.
2. You did not contact the professor until 36 minutes after you were supposed to be there. In the real world, that would equal "no communication". Also, it seems funny that it took 36 minutes to pull over? That paragraph alone would dismiss the reader.
3. The other student: She is not releveant to the discussion. She did not "make" you fail nor have any hand in it. There are some people out there that will do anything to get ahead. Get over it and delete all mention of her.
4. You mention alot of "implying". Implying is not discrimination nor is seen in the legal world as discrimination.
5. You mention that you missed directions because he intimidated you. That is an excuse and not a justifiable reason for your ultimate request.
6. You ask the reader to look up facts. WRONG. You supply facts and they verify them. You do not ask the court system to do the work for you.


Ultimately, reading this letter makes me side on the side of the professor and reads like someone who is not prepared to be an adult. We all make mistakes. We all have people that intimidate us. We all have to deal with dinguses. You aren't special in that. My best advice I can give is to give it up and move on and learn from the experience.
 
I had a rotation like that too. I ended up dropped out and received W. I guess my situation was similar to yours. All other my rotations I got 99. The rotation that I withdrew from is actually from one of the faculties. I don't like her to this very day. I could have written a letter to her to tell how bad she is but in the real world that you may end up deal with lot of more of people like that. My suggestion is to move on and be a great pharmacist. Later on, let them see your glory. That is the best way to piss them off. Gain more confidence on yourself. The good way to revenge people who want to hurt you is to ignore them. Nothing hurts them more than you ignore them. I have my vengeance to this very day. I make great money,have great networking and great future ahead. I come back to my school and people are aware how successful I am and I am sure that will piss lady more than anything since she definitely does not want to see me succeed. I am now one of the school favorite alumni. In fact, all people in school know my name and respect me for what I have overcome. I know it is a hard lesson to learn but take heed and overcome it, your fear. Be courage and be strong to stand up. You can do more than it. Don't let people judge who you are. Don't listen to people who tell you this and that about yourself. You are living in the world where people do not want you to succeed. But again, ignore them. You will be great.
 
Let me preface this by saying that I am also an ASIAN student who had a rotation with this professor. However, despite undergoing the same critique, I feel completely opposite about this rotation. He does offer a lot of criticism which can initially be off-putting, but I found them to all constructive. During that rotation in particular, I utilized all his feedback to improve and I feel that I am a better pharmacist because of it. I grew not only as a clinician, but as a person. My time with him has shaped who I am as a pharmacist and a professional.

From the original post to your lengthy letter, I feel that you were on the defensive from the beginning and your attitude is what held you back from a passing grade. Additionally, I feel that that this post is bias, although some SDN posters may have a harder time discerning that having not known the school/professor.

For example, the reason that he is the hooder at graduation isn’t some personal insult towards you, as you would have us believe, but is because he was VOTED by your classmates to receive the TEACHER OF THE YEAR award. He has received this honor, I believe, for the past 4 years.

I also question your judgment regarding professionalism. Up until recently, there has only been one pharmacy school in NJ. Based on your description of the rotation site in the original post, I was able to recognize what specific rotation you were speaking of. You’ve confirmed that professor by listing him as Dr. V. Did you think that your classmates or alumni wouldn’t come across this on SDN? It’s not hard to imagine that this professor made against you were, in fact, true.
 
Hi

You mentioned that he gave the same critique. Did he ever say you are failing? Did he ever say "Don't worry, I'm not that cruel?"
Also, are you a female student? Asian females are generally treated better in this country. Asian males are often stereotyped as nerdy and shy, while females are considered attractive. I am not saying that he definitely treated you better because you are female but it is something to consider as a possibility as well. Everyone's experience is different. Some people don't click. Please don't generalize your experience to mine.

You have also mentioned that he was voted. I have inquired other student about when this vote was made. Most students did not even bother to vote. Maybe its a stretch to say that students who already liked him bothered to vote? It may or may not be true but it is a possibility. You are in my class and you know what our votes are like. We always are encouraged by faculties to evaluate them and if enough students do it, we get extra credit. Yet we never do get the credits because no one ever bothers to do the evaluations. What does it possibly say about the amount of students who bother to vote for teacher of the year? Just looking at it from another prospective.

Also, I am not afraid to give credit when due. Dr. V was very engaging in the classroom setting during our didactic years. He made the class entertaining and he was a very articulate spokes person. I learned from those class. However, it does not change the fact that I was treated disrespectfully on rotation

Also, I did take his advice. I did owe up to my mistakes.

For example, I apologized for being late. I am always half an hour to an hour early at the pharmacy. I learned and during my cycle 9 rotation, I was late once but I called ahead of time.

I apologized for missing the directions. I did my corrections over Thanksgiving. I don't have this problem in my other rotations because those preceptor do not constantly change there directions. I have started taking notes on any and all directions after that.

I recognize that I also have responsibility in what lead to my failure. But it does not give him the right to bully or intimidate me.
What does not change is the fact that his approach is wrong and his comments were insensitive regardless if his intentions are correct.
I have been critiqued during my midpoints on some of my rotations. Those preceptors were respectful. I listened. I learned

Please tell me How am I defensive to his critiques? I am defensive to the Way he treated me.


I also find it highly amusing that the posts have generally been against me ever since PharmilyValues (with only 1 post) posted his opinion. You yourself only have 1 post and registered today. Both of your first posts starts here. Maybe its a stretch to say that someone from my school saw this post and invited others to defend him? Just saying.

If I am really a problem defensive person as these users suggest, don't you think I would have failed more classes or at least have a bunch of C's. Statistics would imply that its hard for me to have grade inflation on all 10 other rotations.

I have had 2 classmates PM me to state their condolence. They imply that the professor is well liked so there is nothing I can do and advise me to remove identifying phrases, which I have tried to do. I will not post their messages here unless I get permission to do so.


I think I will not bother filing the complaint because if this is the general consensus of my case, what will the reader think.
Life is not always fair. You live and move on.

People in position of power are often well liked and they are socially adept. People tend to side with them regardless if they have wronged others.
That is a fact of life. Time to move on.











Let me preface this by saying that I am also an ASIAN student who had a rotation with this professor. However, despite undergoing the same critique, I feel completely opposite about this rotation. He does offer a lot of criticism which can initially be off-putting, but I found them to all constructive. During that rotation in particular, I utilized all his feedback to improve and I feel that I am a better pharmacist because of it. I grew not only as a clinician, but as a person. My time with him has shaped who I am as a pharmacist and a professional.

From the original post to your lengthy letter, I feel that you were on the defensive from the beginning and your attitude is what held you back from a passing grade. Additionally, I feel that that this post is bias, although some SDN posters may have a harder time discerning that having not known the school/professor.

For example, the reason that he is the hooder at graduation isn’t some personal insult towards you, as you would have us believe, but is because he was VOTED by your classmates to receive the TEACHER OF THE YEAR award. He has received this honor, I believe, for the past 4 years.

I also question your judgment regarding professionalism. Up until recently, there has only been one pharmacy school in NJ. Based on your description of the rotation site in the original post, I was able to recognize what specific rotation you were speaking of. You’ve confirmed that professor by listing him as Dr. V. Did you think that your classmates or alumni wouldn’t come across this on SDN? It’s not hard to imagine that this professor made against you were, in fact, true.
 
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This happens all the time!

Either hire a lawyer and waste money and time fighting the system or do like the rest of us and suck it up and move on!

Life is not fair, when you start working as a pharmacist you will have horrible bosses too!

Few years later you will be passed over a promotion you deserve because someone else is more attractive, or race/culture, or just plain sucks up to the boss more than you!

After that you might have to deal with our wonderful government, perhaps a run-in with the IRS or the BOP, or just a your plain,old, run of the mill racist cop, and again you will find out that life is not fair!

And there is so many things that is not fair in that world. It's a messed up world, the sooner you accept that, the happier you will be.

By the way, I am not being insensitive at all, you had a hard experience and it will affect you for the rest of your life. I went through similar experiences, loved ones went through worst, and close friends lost over a year in lost pharmacist wages because of stuff like that.

Just imagine him in the future in a nursing home laying in his stool the whole day, getting haldol around the clock, left to die alone and miserable. Maybe that will give you some peace!
 
I will admit, I should not have gone far to say "are you implying that I have mental issues?" to the person in charge.
However, I found it very insulting when he stated that some students who complain may have mental issue. Why would he need to say that to me?

Also, I think "getting over it" is valid advice.
However, in the back of my head, I wonder why was he so insistent that I get over it? Is it because the reputation of the school would be tarnished? Odd especially when there are 2 famous incidences of discrimination/ Harassment at this institution.

Also to BenJammin, Rosa Parks was told to move to the back seat on a bus because of her color. If she had filed a complaint with you, would you have told her to get over it? What kind of damage was done to her based on her alleged racism? All she did was sit elsewhere right? However, you do have valid point that I already have my degree and this happened long time ago.

What kind of damage to me?
Dignity, self confidence, emotional, lost wages, money for tuition, time spent on make on rotation, gas money etc...Travel was 1hour with another hour in traffic each way. These may or may not have legal basis.




I would have hung up on you too. You got your degree so get over it! Where are the damages that stem from these alleged homophobic and racist remarks?
 
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You take yourself way too seriously without having earned the merit to do so.

I'm also an asian male and my advice to you: you are in THEIR land. We didn't (and can't) earn respects by complaining or protesting.

You try frontal assault out numbered 50:1? You lose. Turn it into a race instead, study hard, work hard, come out on top and leave them no choice but to accept your standing.
 
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You take yourself way too seriously without having earned the merit to do so.

I'm also an asian male and my advice to you: you are in THEIR land. We didn't (and can't) earn respects by complaining or protesting.

You try frontal assault out numbered 50:1? You lose. Turn it into a race instead, study hard, work hard, come out on top and leave them no choice but to accept your standing.

Don't be too submissive now.

People don't care how successful you become when they know they treated you like crap and got away with it.

OP- if you think you got discriminated, hire an attorney to file a complaint on your behalf. Most likely, nothing will happen because it is his words vs. yours. But it will be on his record and he will be extra careful the next time he treats someone like that. Of course I don't know what happened but I don't believe in "sucking it up" or. "Letting it go". It is within your rights to file a complaint if someone harassed you.
 
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Don't be too submissive now.

People don't care how successful you become when they know they treated you like crap and got away with it.

OP- if you think you got discriminated, hire an attorney to file a complaint on your behalf. Most likely, nothing will happen because it is his words vs. yours. But it will be on his record and he will be extra careful the next time he treats someone like that. Of course I don't know what happened but I don't believe in "sucking it up" or. "Letting it go". It is within your rights to file a complaint if someone harassed you.

Nobody is saying being submissive. I'm advocating bide your time, become their boss. Just because we are a minority doesn't mean we can't turn the table on the majority by beating them at their own game. But trying to tackle them by brute force is a stupid way of doing it. Asians haven't the numbers like blacks and Hispanics to try to protest our way to equality.
 
It doesn't matter if this professor won teacher of the year award or was hooder at graduation, there is no reason to fail a student during rotation. You still graduated so all it did was lower your confidence. I remember a professor at my school that students loved and I initially liked him too, but all it takes is one bad experience to understand someone's true personality.
 
You are giving this guy way too much power over you. There will always be dinguses out there.

All I can think about is the whole "me me me" generation issues. Some people aren't rainbows and unicorns around you and they don't have to be.

If are this up in arms about one guy in pharmacy school, just wait till you start working the real pharmacist job with bosses who are clueless, collegues that are backstabbing, and customers that are psychotic. You have been sheltered as an intern, so just wait till you get the brunt of the complaints.
 
You are giving this guy way too much power over you. There will always be dinguses out there.

All I can think about is the whole "me me me" generation issues. Some people aren't rainbows and unicorns around you and they don't have to be.

If are this up in arms about one guy in pharmacy school, just wait till you start working the real pharmacist job with bosses who are clueless, collegues that are backstabbing, and customers that are psychotic. You have been sheltered as an intern, so just wait till you get the brunt of the complaints.

Yup, some of the old pharmacists in the hospital expect you to do most of the work if you're working the shift with them and you're a newer pharmacist. This one dude would always watch what I was doing on the Internet and tell me there are orders to be verified when he could have easily done them by himself. I'd check the numbers after every shift and find that while I verified 200+ orders, made 40-50 IVs, and filled like 10 narcotic requests; this dude only verified like 20 orders, did no narcotic requests, and made 10 IVs.
 
This is my formal complaint. I will file it under the department that deals with bullying. Please give me constructive criticism Thanks

Personally, I would NOT do anything without consulting with a lawyer. The more you talk with them, the more you risk hurting your case. Even if you don't plan on doing anything more than a formal complaint, I would still talk with a lawyer, they can help you write up the best letter, to get the best results. Your letter was good for pouring out your heart & feelings, it will be a good letter to share with your lawyer, but I would NOT send it to anyone at the school. Talk with a lawyer so any further actions you take will be the best actions. And if you don't feel strongly enough about this to talk to a lawyer, then I would let the matter drop and just talk to a counselor/psychologist about the matter and moving on with your life.
 
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Great, so your students don't need to show up or do any work, they can just stay at home and eat Twinkies? Cool!

That's where I draw the line - eating Twinkies is inexcusable for a future pharmacist!

Rotations are meant to be a learning experience about the various pharmacy settings and should be optional for those who are unsure about their future. Heck, some of my rotations were as good as useless. I don't consider PharmDs to be any more competent than BSPharms. If they're unfamiliar with a drug, it's because they've been out of school for too long, not because they didn't go through rotations.

Actually I'm getting off topic. Any old fart can become a preceptor and start failing students just because they can. That doesn't seem right to me and that's why I don't believe anybody should fail a rotation. They made it this far and if they start drunk driving or stealing Oxys, it should be up to the school or the board to discipline them. I'm going to stop here :whistle:I'm very opinionated and can go on for days about this.
 
You take yourself way too seriously without having earned the merit to do so.

I'm also an asian male and my advice to you: you are in THEIR land. We didn't (and can't) earn respects by complaining or protesting.

You try frontal assault out numbered 50:1? You lose. Turn it into a race instead, study hard, work hard, come out on top and leave them no choice but to accept your standing.

"I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me. Years ago we had the church. That was only a way of saying - we had each other. The Knights of Columbus were real head-breakers; true guineas. They took over their piece of the city. Twenty years after an Irishman couldn't get a ****ing job, we had the presidency. May he rest in peace. That's what the blacks don't realize. If I got one thing against the black chappies, it's this - no one gives it to you. You have to take it." - Francis Costello

Pretty good quote from The Departed.
 
I can appreciate how frustrated and pissed off you feel, but sometimes you have to let things go. I had a rotation that was horrible myself. I was degraded by the preceptor and my fellow student was given all the recognition for doing no work and being on facebook all day. Guess what? I sucked it up, finished the rotation under the radar and ended up creating programs that are still done to this day at the site.

You still graduated and are a pharmacist. He can't take that away from you anymore. He is just a mean person that likes making people miserable. I worked with many people like that and still do. You will also work with people like him in the future. The only thing that can change is how you deal with it.

This. OP, what exactly do you want from this preceptor? He sounds like an a-hole, sure, but despite what he did, you graduated and are licensed (or will be soon). If he was trying to hurt your career, he has failed. Do you really think he's going to apologize to you? He won't, because that would require him to admit that he was an a-hole, and a-holes never admit to being a-holes.

Do you want your grade changed? Why? If you're applying for residencies, then that's a good reason and I think you should pursue it. However, if residency does not interest you, then why do you care? If you don't apply for residencies, nobody is going to look at your transcript again. Ever. Your future employers won't care what your grades were; they will only care whether you passed your boards.

Pass your boards (if you haven't already), get a job, and move on. The best revenge is living well.
 
You take yourself way too seriously without having earned the merit to do so.

I'm also an asian male and my advice to you: you are in THEIR land. We didn't (and can't) earn respects by complaining or protesting.

You try frontal assault out numbered 50:1? You lose. Turn it into a race instead, study hard, work hard, come out on top and leave them no choice but to accept your standing.


well said !! 👍👍



Don't be too submissive now.

People don't care how successful you become when they know they treated you like crap and got away with it.

OP- if you think you got discriminated, hire an attorney to file a complaint on your behalf. Most likely, nothing will happen because it is his words vs. yours. But it will be on his record and he will be extra careful the next time he treats someone like that. Of course I don't know what happened but I don't believe in "sucking it up" or. "Letting it go". It is within your rights to file a complaint if someone harassed you.

agreed there too but one advice I have heard many times again from many people in my family for pharm/med students is that when you are in pharmacy or medical school is like you are being in the military, esp on clinical rotations. That is you can get insulted, abused, and discriminated with no clear reason. But you do not want to get yourself in a position where you want to fight with them. Do not give them any reason to be in a fight with you. You cannot really fight unless you are on equal footing with them. Most likely you will lose if you fight. Try your best to get along and on the good side with them. Like @xiphoid2010 said very well above, focus on doing the best job and being the best student you can. Everyone likes the best and needs the best. They cannot mess with that.

It is also about face. Do not confront them (headon is a no no) !!

Do not start a war you do not have a sure chance of winning !! IMHO the OP should reevaluate risks/rewards for this matter and also his/her priorities now that he/she has already graduated and/or started working as a pharmacist.
 
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Also to BenJammin, Rosa Parks was told to move to the back seat on a bus because of her color. If she had filed a complaint with you, would you have told her to get over it? What kind of damage was done to her based on her alleged racism? All she did was sit elsewhere right? However, you do have valid point that I already have my degree and this happened long time ago.

What kind of damage to me?
Dignity, self confidence, emotional, lost wages, money for tuition, time spent on make on rotation, gas money etc...Travel was 1hour with another hour in traffic each way. These may or may not have legal basis.

Well that's apples and oranges because I have never discriminated on the basis of race before so I have no response to your question. You failed the rotation. These damages are self inflicted. Nobody coerced you into failing your rotation, nobody demanded that you spend a lot of money on gasoline to confront this professor, and nobody is to blame except for yourself.

I'd like to see your medical bills. Can you prove this emotional damage?
 
So apples and oranges You still haven't answered my question. Based on the surrounding evidence, would you tell Rosa Parks to let it go? If not, why would you tell me to let it go and not her? Am I less worthy of a person than her? Similar elements involved. Both of us were mistreated.
If you are going to tell her to let it go. Why?

You also misinterpreted my meaning. Seems like you are jumping to conclusion without understanding the context.
Gas is for traveling to makeup rotation. I focused on that rotation and got an A.
I never traveled back and forth to argue with the professor as your post suggest.
If I traveled to dispute the professor, then yes I agree it was my own choice.

I know you are thinking that I'm a difficult person based on my post.
Really, I'm not a difficult person to work with. I got A's and B's in my other rotation. If I am a difficult person, I would have done bad on most of my other rotations. I get along with almost everyone. I think you focus on my one complaint on this professor and generalize that I am a whinny person who complains about everyone and everything about life. I can do more work than my coworker and I won't complain. This professor really ticked me off in the wrong way.
Seems like you already made up your mind what kind of person I am based on the post regarding my phone call. It doesn't seem like you read /bothered to read the description of my rotation. But maybe I'm wrong. Just a thought.

Dr. V failed me through intimidation and subjective grading. Because of his decision to fail me, I was "forced" to retake a rotation to get my degree. If you had bothered to read my post, I was forced to accept an F or continue the rotation to get a D and repeat a rotation afterwards. He coerced me to fail by making me feel horrible thru verbal harassment, threats and loosing confidence, leading to under performance (subjective) via emotional damage. So yeah I was forced and damages are not all self inflicted as you might suggest.

I completed all my assignments (including 2 presentations which positive comments) and it was not determined that I was going to fail until the end of the 4th week of a 5 week rotation. So no I was not lazy and I did the work.

Haven't made up my mind if its worth fighting for. Like you suggested, I might "let it go."
Why are you so stuck up on proving emotional damage from a legal point. Your post continue to revolve proving emotional damage.


Why are you so eager to prove that I'm the only one to blame and the professor has no wrong? What do you know? You weren't there for 4 weeks. You never experienced the rotation or the humiliation. What are you trying to gain by constantly attacking me? Making me feel horrible? Thanks a lot.





Well that's apples and oranges because I have never discriminated on the basis of race before so I have no response to your question. You failed the rotation. These damages are self inflicted. Nobody coerced you into failing your rotation, nobody demanded that you spend a lot of money on gasoline to confront this professor, and nobody is to blame except for yourself.

I'd like to see your medical bills. Can you prove this emotional damage?
 
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People are being honest with you that you do not seem to have a solid case. If the guy specifically said something about you being Asian or gay then it would be a different story. These are things you are implying from the conversation. It is hard for us to pick out the facts because we are only hearing one side of the story. If you were truly discriminated against, then for sure go seek real legal advice and go from there. Otherwise a lot of it seems very emotional vs fact driven. You graduated...pass your boards and move on.
 
Fair enough. Thank you for being honest without seeming blaming.

After taking the time to reflect and rereading. I agree that I may not have clear evidence that I have been discriminated.
However, I still think I was bullied.

What preceptor would tell you "I'm going to have to think about if I'm going to fail you"
Then be insensitive enough to tell you "Go do doctor calls so you don't waste time"
Then tells you "I'll let you know before the weekend if you can continue. Oh, don't worry I'm not that cruel."
Then call you latter and say "Whoops. Looks like we'll have to wait till Monday"

I mean really? This is coming from someone held to high esteem and standards.


People are being honest with you that you do not seem to have a solid case. If the guy specifically said something about you being Asian or gay then it would be a different story. These are things you are implying from the conversation. It is hard for us to pick out the facts because we are only hearing one side of the story. If you were truly discriminated against, then for sure go seek real legal advice and go from there. Otherwise a lot of it seems very emotional vs fact driven. You graduated...pass your boards and move on.
 
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