Failed Step 2 CS, Information-Sharing Skills (CIS)! Help!

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Just got my Step 2 CS results back and I can't believe I failed! Every other bar is average or with off-the-chart with stars to the high end, EXCEPT for the CIS (communication and interpersonal skills) subcomponent, "Information Sharing Skills".

I googled this and looked it up on the USMLE website, but I'm not just not getting much feedback. (I wish Step 2 CS would provide more feedback...)

Does anyone know what the "Info-Sharing Skills" subsection might be made up of? And how would I improve it?
 
Sorry to hear that you failed this most unpredictable of all the steps.

Information sharing skills are graded on how well you explained your initial impressions about the history and physical. Giving them a presumptive diagnosis and discussing what you plan to do next. Counseling is probably included but I'm not sure about that.

Hope this helps, good luck!

p.s. Would love to give you tips on it but I'm currently awaiting my own score for the CS so I have no idea whether or not the things I did were good enough or not.
 
Thanks for the tips, I'll just suck it up and try to provide better diagnosis and "what happens next" information.
 
Sorry to hear that you failed this most unpredictable of all the steps.

Information sharing skills are graded on how well you explained your initial impressions about the history and physical. Giving them a presumptive diagnosis and discussing what you plan to do next. Counseling is probably included but I'm not sure about that.

Hope this helps, good luck!

p.s. Would love to give you tips on it but I'm currently awaiting my own score for the CS so I have no idea whether or not the things I did were good enough or not.

Xtrasystolic, speaking of waiting for CS score, when did you take yours? I took mine on June 12 and I'm dying to fine out the result.
 
Xtrasystolic, speaking of waiting for CS score, when did you take yours? I took mine on June 12 and I'm dying to fine out the result.

I took mine on 30th June, so my score probably won't be reported the very first wed of the aug18-sep15 period. The waiting sucks just as much as the prep period (if not more) doesn't it? I just went through 7 weeks of waiting for my step1 score and now this :laugh:

Good luck! :luck:
 
Aww I guess we are all in a same boat. Now in addition to CS, I'll be waiting for CK I took on Wed.
Waiting game really sux 😛
Good luck to you guys! We are almost done! 🙂
 
Just got my Step 2 CS results back and I can't believe I failed! Every other bar is average or with off-the-chart with stars to the high end, EXCEPT for the CIS (communication and interpersonal skills) subcomponent, "Information Sharing Skills".

I googled this and looked it up on the USMLE website, but I'm not just not getting much feedback. (I wish Step 2 CS would provide more feedback...)

Does anyone know what the "Info-Sharing Skills" subsection might be made up of? And how would I improve it?

Honestly, check out the book "Step 2 CS Triage". I'm still studying for the test but this is a huge find on my part. Its much better than FA and will help you kill the cis part. Just a plug for what's helping me!

Good luck next time!
 
Failed CIS,passed in all the components but for questioning skills ?? I don`t understand ,how come i pass all the Subcomponents but not this one......
 
Sorry guys, I guess its about counselling patients and making sure you ask enough questions in a way that is understandable to the patient.
 
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I just got my result too. Also found out that I had failed. In my own case it is the ICE. Right now I'm so confused. I'm running thru the cases in my head, trying to figure out what I did and what I could've done different and I'm drawing a blank. I spent two months preparing for this exam and still I have nothing to show for it. My result shows that I did poorly on the data gathering subcomponent. I have no clue what I did wrong; I asked all the questions in my hx taking using PAM HR FOSS and LIQOR AAA. I am at a loss. I'm going to take it again (I don't have a choice) but I honestly don't know what I should do differently. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.🙁
 
Hey guys,

It must suck to not clear this step, and for what it's worth, here's what I think might be of help:

Try to read the info booklet for CS, at least pages 10-11 to get a better sense of what exactly is being evaluated for each subcomponent. (click if you're looking for it)

Read one resource and stick to it, no need for multiple resources. I used the FA but they all pretty much offer the same information.

Time is almost always an issue for any kind of case. The P/E has the least influence on the overall score (or so I gathered from forums and successful test-takers) so spend the least amount of time on it. I did an extremely basic exam for ALL my cases and was out of the room about a minute earlier every time, but this allowed me to close well.

No point in just cramming all the mnemonics and coming off as a robotic question machine. Just try to remember the most common and the most serious differentials before entering the room, and then let the data gathering flow as it comes naturally to YOU. Don't make the SP feel that you're rushing through one question after another, your only goal being to get as many of those checklist items as you can. Make small talk (I even made a couple of polite jokes) every now and then. It's about your bedside manner and rapport just as much as your medical skills.

Finally, and this has been said over and over again, practice at least the common cases. Starting from doorway info to P/E and PN, all under timed conditions.

Hope this helps, good luck to all of you 👍
 
I'm sure this has been stated before, but this is what I did (and I found out that I passed today).

1. I took 30 seconds to quickly write down my outline for an H&P on my sheet of paper. That way I didn't forget the social history or ROS (which would be very easy to do in a stress situation-especially when some questions don't seem relevant).

2. I made sure I didn't use any "doctor words." This one was hard and took practice. Don't use any words that you would have to define if you were talking to your mom (granted that your mom isn't a doctor, nurse, etc.).

3. Spend some time with the patient on the stuff that seems irrelevant. For instance, your patient with chest pain may also have a drinking problem (or, engages in risky sexual behavior, etc.). These things are important to CS, even if "in real life" you would never waste time on safe-sex counseling when a person is likely having an MI in front of you. Take time to ask about smoking, drinking (CAGE questionnaire), and sexual practices. This stuff counts.

4. Review of systems. From what I have been told by others that have been successful on CS (and, I did this myself), you have to ask a pretty good ROS. I am not saying risk running out of time to ask a super thorough internal medicine ROS but don't discount this part. It is important. At least cover the basics: fever, chills, weight loss, GI, GU, etc.

5. Summarize, summarize, summarize. Make sure you take some time to talk to the patient about what they told you, what you found, and what you think. Ask them if there is anything else that they may feel you should know that they didn't tell you. This is another step where you shouldn't use "doctor words." Make sure you are able to explain the common problems that are found in FA for CS in a way that a lay person can understand. This is a pretty important part of CIS (from what I hear).

6. The physical exam is the least important part of the test-don't waste too much time on this step. If you take a thorough history and do a good job communicating with the patient about your findings, your thoughts, plan of action, etc. this step probably won't "make or break you." I have been told (and, from personal experience) that it is totally possible to pass without doing a thorough physical exam but that is unlikely that you will pass if you don't do a good job interviewing, have a good bedside manner, take time to summarize, etc. So, moral of the story, if you see that time is going to be an issue-get the quick and dirty part of the PE accomplished (basic heart, lungs, abdomen) but don't blow your time on a super thorough neuro exam. I found myself unable to do a very long PE for several patients and just mentioned in my summary to the patient that there were a few more things that I would like to examine in addition to the further testing that I was planning to order.

7. Smile and act pleasant. This seems obvious but after a few hours of this test the last thing you want to do is put a smile on your face and ask questions that you think are stupid. So, practice smiling (hell, smile when you pick up the phone if you have a phone case). Remember, that the patient liking you and your bedside manner matter on this test.

8. Wash your hands. Don't forget this. (Or, wear gloves)

9. The note is a pain in the butt. You will inevitably hit a character limit when typing your note (many people I talked to have this problem). So, moral of this story, look at the approved abbreviations and be able to use them without having to think about them. It is amazing how much space it will save you to use abbreviations. Also, I recommend typing the note (unless you are just incapable of doing so). In a rushed situation, all of us have the capacity to have some crappy handwriting and you would hate to fail this thing because someone couldn't read what you wrote down. Also, it may or may not help you, but I quickly put in my top differential diagnoses and plan before I typed the rest of the note. For one thing, these would be entered if I started to run out of time and for another, it helped me to keep my note going in the right direction.

I hope this helps. This part of the process is just plain stupid (I think). It is such a subjective test and quite frankly doesn't accurately evaluate how well you would do with a patient in a real situation. But, as we have all learned, medical school requires some "hoop jumping." This is just an expensive hoop.

Best of luck!
 
I am thinking of taking the test again ,but i am not sure if i would pass.I am an IMG,i have a high SEP,high data gathering but i failed in questioning skills.So i am thinking if my questions are so **** ,how come i score high in data and SEP.Also another guy who failed in SEP has high scores in ICE and CIS,that doesn`t make sense ,cause i know i am the bitter guy here, but if SEP is failing then in rational world there is no way CIS and ICE is gonna be high. I am not too smart to pass the CS but i think i just don`t know how i could have done so bad ......
 
I am thinking of taking the test again ,but i am not sure if i would pass.I am an IMG,i have a high SEP,high data gathering but i failed in questioning skills.So i am thinking if my questions are so **** ,how come i score high in data and SEP.Also another guy who failed in SEP has high scores in ICE and CIS,that doesn`t make sense ,cause i know i am the bitter guy here, but if SEP is failing then in rational world there is no way CIS and ICE is gonna be high. I am not too smart to pass the CS but i think i just don`t know how i could have done so bad ......
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd figure that maybe you weren't asking open-ended questions. It's not so much that your questions are crap, but the way you present them isn't preferred.

But it's tough to say without seeing you do it. If you fail it once, you might need a class or something to get the practice needed to not fail it a second time.
 
I just got my result too. Also found out that I had failed. In my own case it is the ICE. Right now I'm so confused. I'm running thru the cases in my head, trying to figure out what I did and what I could've done different and I'm drawing a blank. I spent two months preparing for this exam and still I have nothing to show for it. My result shows that I did poorly on the data gathering subcomponent. I have no clue what I did wrong; I asked all the questions in my hx taking using PAM HR FOSS and LIQOR AAA. I am at a loss. I'm going to take it again (I don't have a choice) but I honestly don't know what I should do differently. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.🙁
I did poorly on the Data Gathering part, myself. I was fortunate enough to pass, but my only guess is that I didn't summarize quite that much and I didn't explain what I was looking for on the physical exam. Maybe you had the same issues?

Patient note saved me dearly, so I think it would do you well to practice writing out a completely normal patient note in detail under 10 minutes, so you can easily crank one out as soon as you sit down. I finished those notes early in every station, and spent the extra few minutes trying to sneak in a few extra abbreviations around the word limit. That can be enough of a difference-maker when it comes to making up for poor data gathering.
 
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd figure that maybe you weren't asking open-ended questions. It's not so much that your questions are crap, but the way you present them isn't preferred.

But it's tough to say without seeing you do it. If you fail it once, you might need a class or something to get the practice needed to not fail it a second time.

Hey Golding thanks for writing back,I always started with tell me more about the problem then went on to ask couple of close ended questions and then again before starting Family Health and Sexual health i would say i need to ask couple of questions regarding your ... health is that okay with you.

But you are probably right in saying that it is hard to tell without seeing me do it ... i guess my problem is slowing down and not being a native speaker might have confused a lot of people,i don`t know , but i would rather have people looking at me quizzically and failing me than people replying back promptly and then failing me but i guess i will practice more with people and hope to pass this test the next time ,but i believe that any chance of getting into good program is gone with this CS result ,🙁
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Don't get so down on yourself, surely if you practice and try and correct yourself-you'll be fine. I think most programs just look at this as something you need to get finished so, work hard (get a partner if you can to go through it with you and that can critique you) and try again. Most programs don't weigh this step too heavily-especially if you pass it on the next try. This one isn't like failing Step 1 or Step 2 CK. Good luck!
 
Hey Golding thanks for writing back,I always started with tell me more about the problem then went on to ask couple of close ended questions and then again before starting Family Health and Sexual health i would say i need to ask couple of questions regarding your ... health is that okay with you.

But you are probably right in saying that it is hard to tell without seeing me do it ... i guess my problem is slowing down and not being a native speaker might have confused a lot of people,i don`t know , but i would rather have people looking at me quizzically and failing me than people replying back promptly and then failing me but i guess i will practice more with people and hope to pass this test the next time ,but i believe that any chance of getting into good program is gone with this CS result ,🙁
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Yeah, it was just a stab in the dark anyhow. CS is very unpredictable. I won't lie and say that everything is rosy with a failed CS exam, but it doesn't necessarily mean your options are nil. I do know some IMG's that failed the CS who made it into reasonable programs. They didn't get into university hospitals or anything like that, but they were still the fields of their choice (IM, ER, FP, etc). If you have to fail a USMLE exam, it ought to be the CS, which is the most subjective of all.
 
Yeah, it was just a stab in the dark anyhow. CS is very unpredictable. I won't lie and say that everything is rosy with a failed CS exam, but it doesn't necessarily mean your options are nil. I do know some IMG's that failed the CS who made it into reasonable programs. They didn't get into university hospitals or anything like that, but they were still the fields of their choice (IM, ER, FP, etc). If you have to fail a USMLE exam, it ought to be the CS, which is the most subjective of all.

Hey thanks a lot for the support and your time ,sometimes you read the UW think i did that ,it`s not possible to fail ,then look at the report and that`s all .Will be applying for IM residency program this year ,dunno how many will reject "the reject".
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