Falsifying Shadow Information

[MedProdigy]

What's to stop a candidate from falsifying actual shadow hours? They could theoretically just make up some doctor and say they shadowed him/her at a free clinic in some obscure town. Wouldn't it be hard for AMCAS to determine whether the info is valid?

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[Malice]

What's to stop a candidate from falsifying actual shadow hours? They could theoretically just make up some doctor and say they shadowed him/her at a free clinic in some obscure town. Wouldn't it be hard for AMCAS to determine whether the info is valid?

Every single hour on my AMCAS was falsified to some extent. I like to call it generous rounding. Sure for most people 32 doesn't round to 77, but that's the way I learned it in grade school. I got an acceptance this cycle, but I'll tell you if it has worked 4 years from now when I'm getting my MD.

Better question: what is the statute of limitations on falsifying AMCAS info?

 

[Nymphicus]

Every single hour on my AMCAS was falsified to some extent. I like to call it generous rounding. Sure for most people 32 doesn't round to 77, but that's the way I learned it in grade school. I got an acceptance this cycle, but I'll tell you if it has worked 4 years from now when I'm getting my MD.

Better question: what is the statute of limitations on falsifying AMCAS info?

Good thing you are anonymous 🙄


OP: Just remember, if you get caught in anything egregious, you are done. Forever

 

[Astarael]

This is what keeps people from falsifying their shadowing hours:

1) Admissions committees and interviewers are not stupid
2) Admissions committees can tell when interviewees are stupid
3) Making a $150,000 investment into your future without spending the recommended 70-ish hours to determine if medicine is a good fit for you is stupid

Thus,
4) If you're the kind of person who would falsify records, it'll eventually show up in a way an admissions committee will see-probably when you sound fake in an interview.

On a more serious note though, there's a good chance you'll be asked a question either directly about your shadowing experience or about a topic that will require a reference to your shadowing experience in order to answer appropriately. That, along with the fact that falsifying information on AMCAS is grounds for dismissal from medical school (even once you've matriculated), keeps most people from outright lying. I wouldn't worry about rounding though. Nobody cares if you say you did 70 hours when you really did 65.

 

[enTropeeeeeeeee]

Every single hour on my AMCAS was falsified to some extent. I like to call it generous rounding. Sure for most people 32 doesn't round to 77, but that's the way I learned it in grade school. I got an acceptance this cycle, but I'll tell you if it has worked 4 years from now when I'm getting my MD.

Better question: what is the statute of limitations on falsifying AMCAS info?

Biggest troll on SDN, but I this person is actually pretty funny . I wonder who actually owns this account? Hey it could be me for all you know... 😱

 

[Holderlin]

Every single hour on my AMCAS was falsified to some extent. I like to call it generous rounding. Sure for most people 32 doesn't round to 77, but that's the way I learned it in grade school. I got an acceptance this cycle, but I'll tell you if it has worked 4 years from now when I'm getting my MD.

Better question: what is the statute of limitations on falsifying AMCAS info?

Hmmm. I would rather lie about something that can't really be verified at all, but something that could come back and bite me would make me a bit paranoid. Although going from 32 to 77 I guess isn't sooo bad. If you shadowed 2 different docs for a month each, that would only be like another 3 weeks/doc if you round up, and the docs probably wouldn't remember either, unless you did it through a program at your school, in which case you could get anally reamed.

 

[TriagePreMed]

Falsify the college you went to and the grades. Just send them a fake transcript.

 

[Geneticist]

Falsify the college you went to and the grades. Just send them a fake transcript.

I'm graduating from South Harmon Institute of Technology with a 4.16 weighted GPA. hbu?!

 

[dbeast]

Because you go to hell. 🙁

 

[WuMedic]

The hours don't matter to the schools as much as what you learned from them. I estimate have somewhere between 2500 and 3500 hours of experience as an EMT over the years, and guess what, I just split the difference. Sure, I could have looked up my paystubs and volunteering records as well as ask for the Roll Call Log from my fire house for the last few years, but it doesn't really make a difference. It's what I can say about those experiences managing a patient, making clinical decisions, and talking to patients and other healthcare providers that add to my application.

 

[SFGuy2011]

Let me see if I have this correct. From your two most recent threads it looks like you're falsifying transcripts and shadowing hours, and then you're asking if you'd get caught in both cases?

You should do well on the ethical/moral dilemma questions during your medical school interviews, that is, if you can figure out a good method to cheat your way through the MCAT.

 

[raltima07]

Why the hell would you risk it?

 

[mauberley]

What's to stop a candidate from falsifying actual shadow hours?

Your own ethics or integrity.

 

[LizzyM]

You never know what might be checked by an adcom member on a slow night (most of us do these reviews "after hours"). I saw an unusual name as a contact for a volunteer gig and googled it. Turned out the lady had left that facility before the applicant's stated start date and was working elsewhere at the time that the applicant claimed to have been volunteering there.

GAME OVER​

 

[high5]

You never know what might be checked by an adcom member on a slow night (most of us do these reviews "after hours"). I saw an unusual name as a contact for a volunteer gig and googled it. Turned out the lady had left that facility before the applicant's stated start date and was working elsewhere at the time that the applicant claimed to have been volunteering there.

GAME OVER​

Hmm. I volunteered at a soup kitchen for a year, but when I applied a year later I wasn't sure of my supervisors last names. Instead I just looked on the website and listed the person in charge of kitchen but was rarely there. Would that get me in trouble if an adcom was bored?

 

[Democritus]

You never know what might be checked by an adcom member on a slow night (most of us do these reviews "after hours"). I saw an unusual name as a contact for a volunteer gig and googled it. Turned out the lady had left that facility before the applicant's stated start date and was working elsewhere at the time that the applicant claimed to have been volunteering there.

GAME OVER​

So by Game Over, we mean to say that the applicant receives one less interview invite? Or would this be communicated to other schools?

 

[tennismasta]

You never know what might be checked by an adcom member on a slow night (most of us do these reviews "after hours"). I saw an unusual name as a contact for a volunteer gig and googled it. Turned out the lady had left that facility before the applicant's stated start date and was working elsewhere at the time that the applicant claimed to have been volunteering there.

GAME OVER​

Perhaps the applicant had a good excuse? I participated in a volunteer organization that had no adult supervisor to whom I answered. When it came time to list the activity on the AMCAS, I was unsure who to put as the contact, so I also googled my organization and listed the regional adult supervisor. Had the website not been up-to-date and the supervisor left, I would have been in the same boat as that applicant you checked. I probably should have been a little more careful, but I still put the time and effort into the organization.

Or was that my application that you checked? Haha

 

[irishspring]

Wouldn't it be really hard for adcoms to verify clubs? Sure it'd be easy to verify if you were part of an ASM chapter because they are a national organization. However, if you join your school's NPB or Biotech club I don't see how they can verify. Clubs have such a high turn over rate and by the time you apply most of the people who knew you are gone.

 

[muhali3]

You can falsify a lot of things but they'll know when you sound fake during the interview. You will project unequivocal nonverbal messages that will let the interviewer know that you are lying.

 

[LizzyM]

You can leave a field blank and that is a better choice than bull ****ting your way through the experience section. Also, a note to young grasshoppers, keep a log of your activities and the people who serve as directors of volunteers.

The point I was making is that the applicant listed somone who had left the organization before his start date. It isn't a name that would have shown up in a google search for the name of the current volunteer supervisor. As I think about it now, I wonder if he copied the name off of someone's old application.

Yes, it might mean one less interview. I highly doubt that this was brought to the attention of all other schools.

 

[Malice]

Wouldn't it be really hard for adcoms to verify clubs? Sure it'd be easy to verify if you were part of an ASM chapter because they are a national organization. However, if you join your school's NPB or Biotech club I don't see how they can verify. Clubs have such a high turn over rate and by the time you apply most of the people who knew you are gone.

Clubs are self reported. They also don't mean much to adcoms, unless the club is also a service organization and you participate in said service. There are certain things that are cock hard for people to verify and club membership is one of them - lie away. I usually only included clubs that I attended at least one meeting. One club on my AMCAS, however, I was only on the email list, but I feel that after getting spammed for 3 years, I was an important member.

Biggest troll on SDN, but I this person is actually pretty funny . I wonder who actually owns this account? Hey it could be me for all you know... 😱

lol. I'm actually just tired from all the bs that goes on in the application process and I want to come on here and be me now that I'm in. Or maybe I am you! muahaha

 

[getright]

Clubs are self reported. They also don't mean much to adcoms, unless the club is also a service organization and you participate in said service. There are certain things that are cock hard for people to verify and club membership is one of them - lie away. I usually only included clubs that I attended at least one meeting. One club on my AMCAS, however, I was only on the email list, but I feel that after getting spammed for 3 years, I was an important member.

lol

 

[NickNaylor]

 

[sideways]

You never know what might be checked by an adcom member on a slow night (most of us do these reviews "after hours"). I saw an unusual name as a contact for a volunteer gig and googled it. Turned out the lady had left that facility before the applicant's stated start date and was working elsewhere at the time that the applicant claimed to have been volunteering there.

GAME OVER​

I think we've all learned a lesson here: Google your lies beforehand.

 

[JKinSC]

What's to stop a candidate from falsifying actual shadow hours?

Offhand, I can come up with a few reasons:

Not wanting to be a lying sack of ****;
Wanting to be able to look at myself in the mirror in a few years, without seeing someone who got where they are by being a lying sack of ****;
Wanting to be able to raise my children with an appreciation for the importance of honesty, without knowing that I was a hypocritical lying sack of ****...

I'm sure there are other reasons, but these are the first to come to mind.

 

[Malice]

Offhand, I can come up with a few reasons:

Not wanting to be a lying sack of ****;
Wanting to be able to look at myself in the mirror in a few years, without seeing someone who got where they are by being a lying sack of ****;
Wanting to be able to raise my children with an appreciation for the importance of honesty, without knowing that I was a hypocritical lying sack of ****...

I'm sure there are other reasons, but these are the first to come to mind.

Sounds like someone turned in the AMCAS early and forgot about beefing up his hours.

Whatever type of lying sack you are, at least you'll have an MD and kids respect the MD (and the $ that comes with it).

 

[NickNaylor]

Sounds like someone turned in the AMCAS early and forgot about beefing up his hours.

Whatever type of lying sack you are, at least you'll have an MD and kids respect the MD (and the $ that comes with it).

Are you ******ed? Or did I fail at sarcasm?

 

[gettheleadout]

Are you ******ed? Or did I fail at sarcasm?

The PC Nazi's are coming.

And he was serious.

 

[LEUNIT]

The PC Nazi's are coming.

And he was serious.

I never pay attention to what Malice says. He is a master of trolls. Heed my warning, brethren.

 

[MedProdigy]

Offhand, I can come up with a few reasons:

Not wanting to be a lying sack of ****;
Wanting to be able to look at myself in the mirror in a few years, without seeing someone who got where they are by being a lying sack of ****;
Wanting to be able to raise my children with an appreciation for the importance of honesty, without knowing that I was a hypocritical lying sack of ****...

I'm sure there are other reasons, but these are the first to come to mind.

You should become a professor of ethics, not an MD.

 

[SFGuy2011]

You should become a professor of ethics, not an MD.

All the time you spend figuring out how to falsify your application could probably be spent shadowing or doing something constructive. You and Malice should open up a practice together, like the one where the podiatrist charged a patient to remove 18 toenails.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20...refraudhighlightshowdoyouremove18toenails7023

 

[MedProdigy]

All the time you spend figuring out how to falsify your application could probably be spent shadowing or doing something constructive. You and Malice should open up a practice together, like the one where the podiatrist charged a patient to remove 18 toenails.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20...refraudhighlightshowdoyouremove18toenails7023

Nothing wrong with pouring a little gravy on your turkey.

 

[Evergrey]

Falsifying a clinical experience hurts the applicant most of all.. they rob themselves of the opportunity to scrutinize whether this career is something they're interested in or not. That's what matters most of all. Some pre-meds just don't get it.. and then they get into med school and they're like oh ****

 

[runawayclock]

Falsifying a clinical experience hurts the applicant most of all.. they rob themselves of the opportunity to scrutinize whether this career is something they're interested in or not. That's what matters most of all. Some pre-meds just don't get it.. and then they get into med school and they're like oh ****

you mean House isn't real? That's not what being a doctor is like?????

****, I'VE BEEN LIED TO!!

 

[sideways]

Falsifying a clinical experience hurts the applicant most of all.. they rob themselves of the opportunity to scrutinize whether this career is something they're interested in or not. That's what matters most of all. Some pre-meds just don't get it.. and then they get into med school and they're like oh ****

Ain't no shadowing gonna prepare you for the experience of medical school.

 

[MedProdigy]

Ain't no shadowing gonna prepare you for the experience of medical school.

The people who belong in medical school have no problems with it. I'll attend classes, study for 2 hours a night, watch "House" and "NCIS," bang some hot nursing student, and then call it a night. Rinse, Wash, Repeat

 

[sideways]

The people who belong in medical school have no problems with it. I'll attend classes, study for 2 hours a night, watch "House" and "NCIS," bang some hot nursing student, and then call it a night. Rinse, Wash, Repeat

Substitute "bang some hot nursing student" with "furiously masturbate" and we're mirror images.

 

[MedProdigy]

Substitute "bang some hot nursing student" with "furiously masturbate" and we're mirror images.

That's what separates the contenders from the pretenders. Hands are for surgeries, manpoles are for pounding.

 

[sideways]

That's what separates the contenders from the pretenders. Hands are for surgeries, manpoles are for pounding.

I fill two ziploc bags up with warm water, wrap a strip of duct tape around them, mustard some lotion in between, then sandwich it under my couch cushion.

My hands are free.

 

[LEUNIT]

I fill two ziploc bags up with warm water, wrap a strip of duct tape around them, mustard some lotion in between, then sandwich it under my couch cushion.

My hands are free.

I thought I was being original when I did this.

 

[sideways]

I thought I was being original when I did this.

Just make sure you lock the front door. Seriously.

 

[Evergrey]

Ain't no shadowing gonna prepare you for the experience of medical school.

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[Frazier]

I fill two ziploc bags up with warm water, wrap a strip of duct tape around them, mustard some lotion in between, then sandwich it under my couch cushion.

My hands are free.

Sounds like a good promo ad for ziploc bags. Def superbowl material.

 

[MedProdigy]

I fill two ziploc bags up with warm water, wrap a strip of duct tape around them, mustard some lotion in between, then sandwich it under my couch cushion.

My hands are free.

Right but then you're making a mess in your couch when you could simply make a mess inside some girl's cooch and leave her with the cleanup duties.

 

[Frazier]

Right but then you're making a mess in your couch when you could simply make a mess inside some girl's cooch and leave her with the cleanup duties.

 

[slatermd]

This thread certainly got a makeover today.

Facials anyone?

 

[laxplayanumba16]

This thread certainly got a makeover today.

You could say it turned out to be quite a double bagger
YEEAAAAHHH

 

[patel2]

The people who belong in medical school have no problems with it. I'll attend classes, study for 2 hours a night, watch "House" and "NCIS," bang some hot male nurse, and then call it a night. Rinse, Wash, Repeat

fixed it for ya

 

[DessieW]

I like where this is going.

 

[slatermd]

fixed it for ya

The dude who wants to lie about shadowing thinks it won't be obvious when he starts bullsh*tting about his heterosexual prowess.