Long story short..Sort of got a verbal offer with a pharmacy out of state. Came to the interview in person. Everything went well. I did salary counter offer and was told that he would need to check with the owner and get back to me. That was a little over a week ago. I tried calling and left messages for a follow up and as well as sending email. Nothing came back. I'm starting to worry that he got turned off by my counter offer. I made it clear to him that I'm open to negotiation. He seemed to be ok with it at the time. I think I made a mistake doing that. Feel so down right now. At least he could have called and told me he couldn't match it and I would be ok with it. God damn this sucks.
Feeling disappointed..
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I can understand where you are coming from. I've been disappointed since I've been out of work. I haven't been able to pay any student loans ever. I always thought a pharmacist could afford a decent house and car. I've been driving an old klunker around for years. I doubt I will ever be able to save up for a house. With how the job market is today, it's ever harder to negotiate wages. You say it's only been a week. I would give it at least 2 weeks before starting to worry.
Why the counter offer? you heard about the pharmacy job market lately? take whatever offer they give you and appreciate having a job at all in this f*cked up economy. counter offers are for people with multiple other opportunities
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no you did the right thing, it's nerve-racking to negotiate but assuming you were actually in a position to negotiate (confident about getting another job, financial situation is good, your offer was not way-above-market) then don't question what you're worth. when i counter-offered, it was a nail-biting 24hrs.
however, if your counter-offer was sky high then that could be a problem, but the employer should have quickly brought you back down to earth or just said no.
but on the face of it, you did everything right.
however, if your counter-offer was sky high then that could be a problem, but the employer should have quickly brought you back down to earth or just said no.
but on the face of it, you did everything right.
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You're gonna have to give us more information.
Did you counter $100k with $125k? Did you counter $85K to $95k? Are you in Cali/NYC? Can't help you without more information.
If it's an independent it wouldn't surprise me at all if he wants to go with the cheapest RPh possible. Every dollar he pays you is a dollar of the owner's pocket.
Did you counter $100k with $125k? Did you counter $85K to $95k? Are you in Cali/NYC? Can't help you without more information.
If it's an independent it wouldn't surprise me at all if he wants to go with the cheapest RPh possible. Every dollar he pays you is a dollar of the owner's pocket.
Without divulging too much information. My background includes many years of experience in LTC, work as a consultant for a managed care company doing prior authorization, disease state management, MTM, the whole nine yards. I even had the ability to approve refill requests for controlled meds per physician protocol for outpatient pharmacies. I can order lab work and urine test based on the patient's medication history and for what med. I have an MBA and have worked as a consultant with several startups. The company I applied for is a growing company and they plan on growing in a niche market. I did a counter-offer with an emphasis that it is open for negotiation. My counter offer is 10K more than what the salary offered to me. If this opportunity doesn't come through then I guess it isn't meant to be. I still have a job but just wanted to move so badly. Plus, I kept getting calls from the recruiters but had to ignore them because I wanted this one so bad. I guess I should explore other options with other recruiters. I'm not asking for help here. Just venting my frustration at the whole thing.
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Good luck, ZeroLemon I hope you do get the job.
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Wow...you have some big 'ole brass ones or you are the dumbest person in the world...or both.
In case you were wondering the shortage is loooooong over.
Just out of curiosity did you counter just because you thought you should? You have to have something new and/or unique to bring to the position that no one else can. You listed a lot of stuff up there however none of it was really that unique. I am sure it was taken into account when they made the salary offer. The biggest thing that stood out to me was the rather checked job history. It doesn't look like you stayed anywhere very long and you worked for a lot of places.
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usually hiring process can be extremely long...my long means not a day..a week, a month..or even half year! so don't be discouraged. Keep it up 🙂
it is up to you whether if you want to devaluate yourself or not. In his case, he did very right choice IMO. be thanks for having a job shouldn't be applied here.
you indeed have great experience.. negotiation is one of critical process that everyone need to go through in their life times. I really hope you hear great response from them later!
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I agree. You were very lucky to get an offer at all, and instead of appreciating what you had, you made yourself look like a diva in the hiring manager's eyes. Not the impression you want to make.
There's nothing you can do now but learn from this experience.
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man you guys are selling yourself short.
again, i stress that i do not know all of the details nor can i evaluate the skills the OP listed above (not in my practice area), but unless a potential employer drops a money bomb on me beyond my wildest dreams (hey i can dream big), then you absolutely have to ask for more.
You just have to a) know how to ask and b) critically be able to evaluate your skills, the skills of your competitiors, and whether the offer was fair or not.
Even if it's a fair offer I've asked for little variances here and there... waiving any waiting periods for 401k matches or insurance, for example.
TL;DR = if you're a new grad with pretty much zero skills getting the median offer from some chain store....then kiss your DM's shoes and thank them for the offer and take it up the rear like a fleet enema. If you've got some marketable skills and the offer comes back as fair or less than fair market, then tactfully ask.
again, i stress that i do not know all of the details nor can i evaluate the skills the OP listed above (not in my practice area), but unless a potential employer drops a money bomb on me beyond my wildest dreams (hey i can dream big), then you absolutely have to ask for more.
You just have to a) know how to ask and b) critically be able to evaluate your skills, the skills of your competitiors, and whether the offer was fair or not.
Even if it's a fair offer I've asked for little variances here and there... waiving any waiting periods for 401k matches or insurance, for example.
TL;DR = if you're a new grad with pretty much zero skills getting the median offer from some chain store....then kiss your DM's shoes and thank them for the offer and take it up the rear like a fleet enema. If you've got some marketable skills and the offer comes back as fair or less than fair market, then tactfully ask.
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I agree with this part. I applied for a per-diem job at a hospital in the Bronx in November 2012. Didn't get an interview offer until February 2013. Didn't hear anything until April when they had me interview with the director. And they finally hired me in the middle of May.
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Then I better get some sleep, study up, and ask for $200k
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It's been my experience that most (pharmacist) employers will not negotiate salary. (the exception being if you already have a written offer from another place that you can show the employer.) Benefits, vacation time, moving expenses, etc. are somewhat negotiable....it just depends on the employer, the area, the need, etc.
But ya know, live and learn. Perhaps it just wasn't meant to be. And depending on how longs its been, perhaps they will get back to you--I'd give it a week or 2. Lesson is, don't stop talking to recruiters and making plans, even if you think you are going to get another job, your negotiating position is FAR higher if you have multiple job offers.
But ya know, live and learn. Perhaps it just wasn't meant to be. And depending on how longs its been, perhaps they will get back to you--I'd give it a week or 2. Lesson is, don't stop talking to recruiters and making plans, even if you think you are going to get another job, your negotiating position is FAR higher if you have multiple job offers.
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We just hired a newbie for $25/hr. From the looks of it, he won't cut it. The quality of pharmacists is declining rapidly. 😱
I have also noticed that most of the pharmacy related positions in the pharmaceutical industries have opened these positions to nurses and PAs as well.
I have also noticed that most of the pharmacy related positions in the pharmaceutical industries have opened these positions to nurses and PAs as well.
That's what I was making as a mason.. They gotta be pulling your leg about $25
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$25/hr??????? Holy crap! Is this a retail setting?
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This is at a major compounding company. We are nationwide.
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That's what happens when you pay too low. You'll get lower quality, desperate people. They'll also jump ship when they get a better offer, which means you'll spend more money rehiring and retraining.
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Wrong! He graduated on the top of his class. There were over 100 applicants. We usually start at $25/hr for the first year.
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Nothing wrong with countering in a professional manner. Just factor in what kind of cards you are holding vs. what they got. I counted both jobs out of pharmacy school, $5K and $10K, both were accepted. But don't just make up numbers out of sense of self-worth. Do your research, justify to them why you are worth the extra. It's always a nail biter, but easier when you have a job or have other interviews lined up.
