Felony Theft Conviction

[ANF1986]

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lol, why is this thread still active? I like the fact that this board is extremely inviting and optimistic but this thread is out of control.

we have a convicted felon that spent two years at CC and when they finally got to a 4-year university, they still only got a 3.68. Even IF this person didn't have the felony, a 3.68 with 2 years spent at a CC would make it very difficult. Not to mention the OP had an addiction to drugs.... and then they want to enter a profession that gives them the ability to prescribe the most powerful drugs on earth?

I hate to be a jerk but, NO, you have no chance

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The majority of non-drug using law abiding college students dont achieve >3.5... Only a 3.68, man that would ONLY be said on a board full of naive pre-meds who live in a f***ing bubble. This might be a shock to most of you inside your bubbles, but in the real world people do actually make mistakes. People do turn their lives around, while it is the exception and not the rule, it happens. Yet snide little pricks like you will pass judgement on the OP. Barring people convicted of crimes from gaining meaningful employment, voting, owning firearms, and all in all being forced to wear the metaphorical "star of david" only contributes to our near 80% recidvism rate.

To the OP...You need to pay for the lawyer, if you are serious about doing this you will. You also need to talk to family and friends, and find out who, if anyone has legitimate political connections in your state. If so, you need to utilize those connections to the best of your ability, excel in your academics and start meaningful volunteer work, as LizzyM mentioned perhaps in an addiction field of some sorts. If you can do some political posturing you can try to get the governor to give you a full pardon. I would say your best bet to do so would be after completing your degree and taking the MCAT, with a respectable score. I think you could make a good case to an appellate judge, if your state allows expungements after X period of time.

In closing, EVERYONE makes mistakes. The only difference between the OP and most likely A FEW people in every medical school graduating class, is that the OP got caught, and they didn't. The system is severely broken when a young man of 18 or 19 years old commits a crime, cleans his act up, achieves a measley 3.68 (A average), and is precluded from following his dreams. Good luck OP...

 

[futureboy]

just asked my mother who's an attorney because i was curious: in our state (IL) felonies cannot be expunged unless the person is a minor or gets pardoned- granted, she doesn't do criminal law, and it may differ by state.

Yes, it does differ by state.

 

[futureboy]

one of the Timberwolves players crashed his car into a few parked cars because he was:

3.) Oh, and the movie he was watching... ya it was a porno to which he beating his d ick like it owed him money-again admitted to PD on scene.

This guy is pathethic. An NBA player shouldn't have to do this -- he should be able to get the REAL THING any time he wants.

 

[flip26]

Um, if you get convicted of DUI manslaughter, you are a felon.

Um, not always. There are misdemeanor dui manslaughter convictions, too.

Ummmmmmmmm

 

[buccsmf1]

The majority of non-drug using law abiding college students dont achieve >3.5...

And the majority of college students don't get into medical school....

Only a 3.68, man that would ONLY be said on a board full of naive pre-meds who live in a f***ing bubble.

They're called statistics.... he has one SEMESTER that's barely above the average accepted student..... This whole thing is absurd. So far this guy....

-Went to college where he did drugs and stole.... resulting in a felony
-got an AA from a community college
-he earned a 3.68 in ONE SEMESTER

Yea.... he's got medical school written all over him

This might be a shock to most of you inside your bubbles, but in the real world people do actually make mistakes. People do turn their lives around, while it is the exception and not the rule, it happens.

And people don't need to pay for their mistakes? This person is only two years removed from severe drug abuse and a felony theft conviction and they're talking about medical school? Are you ****ing kidding me? I personally find it insulting. Spend a few years actually contributing to society and then get back to us

Yet snide little pricks like you will pass judgement on the OP. Barring people convicted of crimes from gaining meaningful employment, voting, owning firearms, and all in all being forced to wear the metaphorical "star of david" only contributes to our near 80% recidvism rate.

Pricks like me? I'm the prick? This idiot abused drugs and stole and I'm the prick? I went to college, I had the option to do drugs, they're everywhere in college. If I had a dollar for every time someone offered me drugs I'd have medical school paid for. But guess what? YOU CAN ****ING SAY NO.

In closing, EVERYONE makes mistakes. The only difference between the OP and most likely A FEW people in every medical school graduating class, is that the OP got caught, and they didn't. The system is severely broken when a young man of 18 or 19 years old commits a crime, cleans his act up, achieves a measley 3.68 (A average), and is precluded from following his dreams. Good luck OP...

Lol, what a cop out. "everyone makes mistakes" what a bull**** statement. yea medical school matriculants made mistakes: maybe they forgot to call their mom on her birthday, maybe they got too drunk and threw up at a party, maybe they slacked off for a semester and got a D in a class. But 99% of them sure as **** didn't severely abuse drugs, steal, and rack up a felony in the process.

Now I'm not saying that the window is completely closed. But it's going to take more than 2 damn years. Listen to LizzyM, work with kids like yourself and try to help the community. If the dream is still there in 10 years then re-enroll in school and make a serious push to apply.

 

[atomi]

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[ANF1986]

And the majority of college students don't get into medical school....



They're called statistics.... he has one SEMESTER that's barely above the average accepted student..... This whole thing is absurd. So far this guy....

-Went to college where he did drugs and stole.... resulting in a felony
-got an AA from a community college
-he earned a 3.68 in ONE SEMESTER

Yea.... he's got medical school written all over him



And people don't need to pay for their mistakes? This person is only two years removed from severe drug abuse and a felony theft conviction and they're talking about medical school? Are you ****ing kidding me? I personally find it insulting. Spend a few years actually contributing to society and then get back to us



Pricks like me? I'm the prick? This idiot abused drugs and stole and I'm the prick? I went to college, I had the option to do drugs, they're everywhere in college. If I had a dollar for every time someone offered me drugs I'd have medical school paid for. But guess what? YOU CAN ****ING SAY NO.

Lol the difference between you and I, is that I view drug dependence as a medical problem, and not a legal one. I have compassion for people who have a physical&mental dependence on substances, which cause them to do things they would never have done while sober. You, on the other hand, pass judgement and call this person an idiot. You are insulted by the fact that they have high aspirations after cleaning themselves up. You're right you can say no, the OP made the decision not to say no, and that was his mistake. Thats the only thing I could possibly fault the OP for. Other than that, I dont fault the OP for having a substance abuse problem and realizing the errors of his ways. What bothers me is that you sit there on the other side of that screen passing judgement with your condescending attitude and instead of trying to encourage the OP or contribute anything positive, you just find ways to break him down. You potentially being a future medical professional, IM OFFENDED! Is this how you're going to speak to your patients with substance abuse problems?


Lol, what a cop out. "everyone makes mistakes" what a bull**** statement. yea medical school matriculants made mistakes: maybe they forgot to call their mom on her birthday, maybe they got too drunk and threw up at a party, maybe they slacked off for a semester and got a D in a class. But 99% of them sure as **** didn't severely abuse drugs, steal, and rack up a felony in the process.

You missed the point. I said that I guarantee you in every single medical school graduating class, there are people who did severely abuse drugs, who most likely stole, and did any number of other crimes that they didn't get caught for. Yet they were able to discontinue their bad habits, and because they didn't get caught while they were off the deep end, they are going to be doctors.


Now I'm not saying that the window is completely closed. But it's going to take more than 2 damn years. Listen to LizzyM, work with kids like yourself and try to help the community. If the dream is still there in 10 years then re-enroll in school and make a serious push to apply.

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[flip26]

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Umm, if I understood the OP, his felony conviction is for THEFT, not for drug abuse per se. He was not convicted of "felony drug abuse." Just go back and read the title of the freaking thread if you still are confused...

So save your it is a "medical and not a legal problem" BS argument to yourself RE the OP and his drug problem which, in and of itself, has little to do with his app / licensing dilemma because of the felony theft conviction.

 

[45408]

Rather than coming to any kinds of conclusions about how this is all going to end up, you definitely should talk to a lawyer. I think you should take your time in proceeding - the more time there is between a felony and your application, the better. It would show that you've changed. You can always apply. It won't be SDN's decision whether or not you get in, so it's kind of a pointless debate.

 

[buccsmf1]

Lol the difference between you and I, is that I view drug dependence as a medical problem, and not a legal one. I have compassion for people who have a physical&mental dependence on substances, which cause them to do things they would never have done while sober.

you aren't born addicted to drugs....................................

this person, when faced with the option of doing drugs or passing, gave in. of course you can become dependent on drugs, but you have to give in those first few times. this person created for themselves a dependence on drugs, so no, I don't feel an ounce of sorrow for them.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE. I don't feel that the door should be completely closed. But 2 years just isn't long enough. You need to prove to society that you've changed...... And that's going to take more than 2 years at a community college.

 

[Mitch556]

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[Mitch556]

you aren't born addicted to drugs....................................

this person, when faced with the option of doing drugs or passing, gave in. of course you can become dependent on drugs, but you have to give in those first few times. this person created for themselves a dependence on drugs, so no, I don't feel an ounce of sorrow for them.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE. I don't feel that the door should be completely closed. But 2 years just isn't long enough. You need to prove to society that you've changed...... And that's going to take more than 2 years at a community college.

You can be born addicted to drugs first off. Second off I would wager that addiction runs in his family. Drug abuse / addiction isnt as black and white as you try and portray it as.

 

[ANF1986]

Umm, if I understood the OP, his felony conviction is for THEFT, not for drug abuse per se. He was not convicted of "felony drug abuse." Just go back and read the title of the freaking thread if you still are confused...

So save your it is a "medical and not a legal problem" BS argument to yourself RE the OP and his drug problem which, in and of itself, has little to do with his app / licensing dilemma because of the felony theft conviction.

How are they not one in the same? The drug addiction precipitated his criminal behavior leading to his problem. In addition, I was responding to a poster who initially referenceed his drug problem as a reason for his exclusion. It is quite clear the drug addiction was a large factor in the OP engaging in criminal behavior leading to his felony conviction. A large percentage of petty thefts and robberies are to feed drug addictions.

 

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[flip26]

How are they not one in the same? The drug addiction precipitated his criminal behavior leading to his problem. In addition, I was responding to a poster who initially referenceed his drug problem as a reason for his exclusion. It is quite clear the drug addiction was a large factor in the OP engaging in criminal behavior leading to his felony conviction. A large percentage of petty thefts and robberies are to feed drug addictions.

Because they are separate willful acts. Plenty of people get high every night of the week without going out and committing crimes.

Get high, or get drunk, society doesn't care if you do it where you don't harm anybody else.

But go out and steal, or drive your car while high and wrap it around a baby carriage, you have consequences.

To excuse theft due to drug addiction is asinine.

 

[LizzyM]

It comes down to, "do we want a student with a felony theft conviction in our student body? do we want a student with a felony theft conviction working with our patients and staff?" I suspect that many adcoms are going to answer in the negative when presented with that question. It is not to say that there aren't other occupations open to ex-cons but it is going to be difficult to gain access to an academic setting that asks on page 1 of the application: Have you ever been convicted of a felony? If yes, explain.

 

[45408]

How are they not one in the same? The drug addiction precipitated his criminal behavior leading to his problem. In addition, I was responding to a poster who initially referenceed his drug problem as a reason for his exclusion. It is quite clear the drug addiction was a large factor in the OP engaging in criminal behavior leading to his felony conviction. A large percentage of petty thefts and robberies are to feed drug addictions.

Let's be honest here: a drug addiction is illegal in the first place. He was violating the law and committing crime before he ever was addicted. It's illegal to buy drugs, to have drugs, to use drugs, to have paraphernalia for drugs, etc. One crime (drugs) simply led to another (theft). It's not like a harmless behavior led to a harmful behavior.

It comes down to, "do we want a student with a felony theft conviction in our student body? do we want a student with a felony theft conviction working with our patients and staff?" I suspect that many adcoms are going to answer in the negative when presented with that question. It is not to say that there aren't other occupations open to ex-cons but it is going to be difficult to gain access to an academic setting that asks on page 1 of the application: Have you ever been convicted of a felony? If yes, explain.

Exactly. There are thousands of people applying to each med school each year. Most schools have the pick of the litter, so to speak. Someone would have to have a pretty good application to overcome a felony.



One other thing is that something like a drug conviction can make you ineligible for federal financial aid. If you can't get loans to pay for med school, you probably won't be accepted.

 

[Col Kurtz]

Um, not always. There are misdemeanor dui manslaughter convictions, too.

Ummmmmmmmm

ummmmmmm, how about a citation? Yes, DUI=misdemeanor in most states. Even DUI causing personal injury-misdemeanor, but I have yet to find a state that will only charge a misdemeanor for dui MANSLAUGHTER. Now, there may be people who plea out the original charge and ultimately get charged with a misdemeanor. but if you're correct, congratulations 🙄