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i'll try and answer some of these as a fourth year that goes to a school outside the top 50 and will probably not be participating in this fireside chat. so here's some input regardless because i felt like typing while on the interview trail.

1. If you're willing to share, have you experienced any financial difficulties during medical school with regards to buying supplies, paying rent, living life, etc.?
living in a large metropolitan area means times are hard. loans are there, and you learn to live within your means. i have encountered very few people in my medical school class who has had significant financial hardship where they are unable to meet their needs. budget yourself form the beginning, and find rent that fits that budget.

2. Do any of you have a family (children and wife)? If so, what is it like for you to juggle med school and a family? If not, do you know of anyone that in a similar situation who would be able to give you insight on this?
juggling med school with family is hard. you must ACTIVELY make time for them. you'll also have to realize that many of your class mates will be younger than you (probably) and many of them haven't had that "traditional" college or even high school experience. in my opinion, many med students are socially sheltered and possibly "disadvantaged". all i am getting at is this- many of your class mates will be at a different stage in life than you. prioritize your life accordingly.

3. Why did you all choose to go to Pritzker? Did you have a hard time choosing schools?
don't go to pritzker. i chose based off cost of tuition, but i am sure i am making up for it in living costs.

4. What factors do you think applicants should consider when choosing medical schools? What is important/not important?
reputation- go to the best school possible as this will help you during residency application time.
administration- go to a school with a receptive administration that takes care of their students; ask other students when interviewing how approachable the dean is and etc.
good board prep- go to a school with a good track record for good board prep. yes, this is largely an individual feat, but you also want an environment that is conducive for you to do well.

you're going to get a good education where ever you go.

5. How is the food up there? Is there like a meal plan?
NA. i will say, though, in relation to #4.. go to a school where there is good food or at least decent cafeteria food. although, this is definitely less important.

6. I like to ask students where I interviewed at what they do not like about the school, and if possible, what recommendation would they make for improvement. Whether it be to the curriculum, labs, clinic exposure, etc.
you'll get a good education where ever you go. i'm a fan for the truncated 18 month M1/M2 combined curriculums with a longer 3rd and 4th year.

7. When should you start trying to find an apartment and what are important factors for finding a place to live?
this is common sense really. only you know your budget and where you might like to live.
but, right behind cost, location should be next. also, this largely depends on WHERE you get in; my advice for you if you live in a big city will be different than if you live in the south.

8. What are the things that you worried about as a pre-med, that looking back now, you realize that it really was not worth worrying about?
N/A. just worry about getting in.

9. I know Pritzker is about as prestigious as it gets, but do you ever wonder/worry that you would've been better off going to a more prestigious school like a Harvard or Hopkins?
see above. go to the best school you can get into. however, i will say that at the top, it doesn't matter so much. it's hard to say don't look at match lists, but i think this should dictate which school you choose. and i say it's hard to look at it, because as a premed, you have NO idea what you're looking at or even how to possibly interpret it. and, even as a med student it's kinda tough to interpret it.

10. Piggybacking on question 1, if you aren't getting financial help from anyone or anything but loans, how did you manage the summer months that loans don't cover?
N/A

11. I realize pre-clinical grades don't matter too much, but how do residency programs rank students from different schools if one school, for example, uses a P/F grading system and another school uses the A/B/C/D system?
they'll rank you on a variety of factors. and, regardless, your school will rank you unless you come from some place special like Stanford (i think). but, they factor your class rank/AOA status into it. however, board scores and third year grades are pretty much the most important factors to getting interviews (this is a broad generalization and each specialty will put weight towards other factors). there's no magic formula for ranking (or even getting interviews)

12. Is it possible to get a girl med student in there maybe? Should be interesting getting a female perspective.
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reputation- go to the best school possible as this will help you during residency application time.
administration- go to a school with a receptive administration that takes care of their students; ask other students when interviewing how approachable the dean is and etc.
good board prep- go to a school with a good track record for good board prep. yes, this is largely an individual feat, but you also want an environment that is conducive for you to do well.

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i think we really need to make a concerted effort to defeat the SDN myth that it doesn't matter where you go to school and that you should go to the cheapest place. unfortunately some on here think that a 4th year's advice is as reputable as a premed's advice.

it's hard to say don't look at match lists, but i think this should dictate which school you choose. and i say it's hard to look at it, because as a premed, you have NO idea what you're looking at or even how to possibly interpret it. and, even as a med student it's kinda tough to interpret it.

i used to agree with this sentiment but recently i've begun changing my mind. obviously looking at how many people go into "competitive" specialties is the wrong way to analyze a rank list. however i think a good way for a premed to look at the match list would be to look at WHERE the IM matches are. this tends to be relatively easy to interpret because (for the most part) the good IM programs are easily recognizable since they're similar to the top med schools (and there's nothing pre-meds know more than med school rankings). the only caveat is that you should take into account regional bias...if the school is in the midwest then you may have students picking top midwest programs over JHU and the harvard hospitals.

they'll rank you on a variety of factors. and, regardless, your school will rank you unless you come from some place special like Stanford (i think). but, they factor your class rank/AOA status into it. however, board scores and third year grades are pretty much the most important factors to getting interviews (this is a broad generalization and each specialty will put weight towards other factors). there's no magic formula for ranking (or even getting interviews)

i would say that class rank is the most important factor (at least it seems to have been for IM) followed by step 1 because you can make up for a mediocre step 1 by getting a good step 2 ck score.
 
i used to agree with this sentiment but recently i've begun changing my mind. obviously looking at how many people go into "competitive" specialties is the wrong way to analyze a rank list. however i think a good way for a premed to look at the match list would be to look at WHERE the IM matches are. this tends to be relatively easy to interpret because (for the most part) the good IM programs are easily recognizable since they're similar to the top med schools (and there's nothing pre-meds know more than med school rankings). the only caveat is that you should take into account regional bias...if the school is in the midwest then you may have students picking top midwest programs over JHU and the harvard hospitals.

I agree here. Also, be cognizant that if X med school never matches into Y residency for whatever specialty, it's probably because they have 0 experience with those students and makes it less likely you'll match there.

i would say that class rank is the most important factor (at least it seems to have been for IM) followed by step 1 because you can make up for a mediocre step 1 by getting a good step 2 ck score.

This is a hard one to pin down. There are way too many factors in play, and like I said, I gave broad generalizations. But, overall, I think as the specialty gets more competitive and/or the competitiveness of the residency program increases (regardless of specialty), class rank/AOA tends to play a more important factor.
 
I think the shift to relying heavily on class rank (and AOA)...again speaking for IM...might be related to the change in timeline of releasing the dean's letter. Whereas in the past many programs had nothing but ur app, step score and a transcript with grades out of context now they get way more info in only 2 wks vs 2 months.

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Impossibru brah. Everyone knows MD > DO > Podiatry

Whoops! You had the last sign backwards! You meant to have the MD/DO part < Podiatry.

No worries, I got your back. Everyone else probably knew what you meant too.
 
don't go to pritzker. i chose based off cost of tuition, but i am sure i am making up for it in living costs.

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Really? I was looking at Pritzker and It looked like a really chill place.
 
1. If you're willing to share, have you experienced any financial difficulties during medical school with regards to buying supplies, paying rent, living life, etc.?

2. Do any of you have a family (children and wife)? If so, what is it like for you to juggle med school and a family? If not, do you know of anyone that in a similar situation who would be able to give you insight on this?

3. Why did you all choose to go to Pritzker? Did you have a hard time choosing schools?

4. What factors do you think applicants should consider when choosing medical schools? What is important/not important?

5. How is the food up there? Is there like a meal plan?

6. I like to ask students where I interviewed at what they do not like about the school, and if possible, what recommendation would they make for improvement. Whether it be to the curriculum, labs, clinic exposure, etc.

7. When should you start trying to find an apartment and what are important factors for finding a place to live?

8. What are the things that you worried about as a pre-med, that looking back now, you realize that it really was not worth worrying about?

9. I know Pritzker is about as prestigious as it gets, but do you ever wonder/worry that you would've been better off going to a more prestigious school like a Harvard or Hopkins?

10. Piggybacking on question 1, if you aren't getting financial help from anyone or anything but loans, how did you manage the summer months that loans don't cover?

11. I realize pre-clinical grades don't matter too much, but how do residency programs rank students from different schools if one school, for example, uses a P/F grading system and another school uses the A/B/C/D system?

12. Is it possible to get a girl med student in there maybe? Should be interesting getting a female perspective.

13. Also, what are the things that you worried about as a pre-med, that looking back now, you realize that it really was not worth worrying about?

14. Since most of you are M2's how are you planning on tackling boards coming up?

15. How does MS4 work, exactly? Do you get time off from rotations to interview for residency?

15. How big of a role has technology played in your medical education? Has it helped you out to a large extent, thus far?

16. Are you personally invested in the local community of your medical school?

17. Do you usually study out of the textbook? Or do you also need to study the lectures? Or do you also have supplementary books to study with?

18. Can you relate the significance of research, service/leadership activities, preclinical/clinical grades, Step 1 score, and LORs when aiming for top primary care residencies (ex. CHOP, Boston and Baylor for peds) versus top (or not top) specialty care (cardio, ortho, etc.) ones ?

19. What are some tools you find helpful in medical school (e.g., wristwatch, smartphone, tablet, etc.)?
 
nick naylor looks like FPS Russia. just putting it out there.
 
1. If you're willing to share, have you experienced any financial difficulties during medical school with regards to buying supplies, paying rent, living life, etc.?

2. Do any of you have a family (children and wife)? If so, what is it like for you to juggle med school and a family? If not, do you know of anyone that in a similar situation who would be able to give you insight on this?

3. Why did you all choose to go to Pritzker? Did you have a hard time choosing schools?

4. What factors do you think applicants should consider when choosing medical schools? What is important/not important?

5. How is the food up there? Is there like a meal plan?

6. I like to ask students where I interviewed at what they do not like about the school, and if possible, what recommendation would they make for improvement. Whether it be to the curriculum, labs, clinic exposure, etc.

7. When should you start trying to find an apartment and what are important factors for finding a place to live?

8. What are the things that you worried about as a pre-med, that looking back now, you realize that it really was not worth worrying about?

9. I know Pritzker is about as prestigious as it gets, but do you ever wonder/worry that you would've been better off going to a more prestigious school like a Harvard or Hopkins?

10. Piggybacking on question 1, if you aren't getting financial help from anyone or anything but loans, how did you manage the summer months that loans don't cover?

11. I realize pre-clinical grades don't matter too much, but how do residency programs rank students from different schools if one school, for example, uses a P/F grading system and another school uses the A/B/C/D system?

12. Is it possible to get a girl med student in there maybe? Should be interesting getting a female perspective.

13. Also, what are the things that you worried about as a pre-med, that looking back now, you realize that it really was not worth worrying about?

14. Since most of you are M2's how are you planning on tackling boards coming up?

15. How does MS4 work, exactly? Do you get time off from rotations to interview for residency?

15. How big of a role has technology played in your medical education? Has it helped you out to a large extent, thus far?

16. Are you personally invested in the local community of your medical school?

17. Do you usually study out of the textbook? Or do you also need to study the lectures? Or do you also have supplementary books to study with?

18. Can you relate the significance of research, service/leadership activities, preclinical/clinical grades, Step 1 score, and LORs when aiming for top primary care residencies (ex. CHOP, Boston and Baylor for peds) versus top (or not top) specialty care (cardio, ortho, etc.) ones ?

19. What are some tools you find helpful in medical school (e.g., wristwatch, smartphone, tablet, etc.)?

20. Did any of you waver between becoming a physician versus another career before diving into it (PA/NP or non-healthcare fields)?
 
Anyone watch the first fireside chat and think that NickNaylor kind of looks like Leonardo Dicaprio?
 
Anyone watch the first fireside chat and think that NickNaylor kind of looks like Leonardo Dicaprio?

needs to wear aviators for the second one. where is the second one btw 😴
 
Really? I was looking at Pritzker and It looked like a really chill place.

I think he meant that "I don't go to Priztker" or he doesn't go to Pritzker.

He didn't mean any harm or opinion on a school 🙂
 
I think he meant that "I don't go to Priztker" or he doesn't go to Pritzker.

He didn't mean any harm or opinion on a school 🙂

Lol you're right I just re-read it thanks.
 
needs to wear aviators for the second one. where is the second one btw 😴

Haha, sorry about the long delay. We ended up getting a bit busy with finals and I've been busier at home than I expected. 😉 We'll start working on a definite time early next week, so I'll hope to have a date for you then!
 
Haha, sorry about the long delay. We ended up getting a bit busy with finals and I've been busier at home than I expected. 😉 We'll start working on a definite time early next week, so I'll hope to have a date for you then!

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Haha, sorry about the long delay. We ended up getting a bit busy with finals and I've been busier at home than I expected. 😉 We'll start working on a definite time early next week, so I'll hope to have a date for you then!


Didn't mean to stress you guys out. Honestly, you're not forced to do this, so you don't have to take this as your top priority. It's pretty awkward to talk in a webcam to a bunch of online strangers. 😛
 
oh fasho i forget that these internet identities are real people some times.... thanks for being such awesome medical students!!!
 
I know you guys mentioned which classes you thought where useful to have taken before medical school for individuals who haven't taken them say anatomy or physiology would you suggest auditing such over part of the summer (if its an option) or would you suggest relaxing with no classes all summer. (as a partial followup what would you suggest people do with the summer before school)

Also can you speak towards any difficulty graduate students have had transitioning into medical school (ie. research based MSc or PhDs)

Thanks the video was very informative
 
Also Can someone post the pancake meme I haven't seen it yet
 
Also Can someone post the pancake meme I haven't seen it yet

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1. If you're willing to share, have you experienced any financial difficulties during medical school with regards to buying supplies, paying rent, living life, etc.?

2. Do any of you have a family (children and wife)? If so, what is it like for you to juggle med school and a family? If not, do you know of anyone that in a similar situation who would be able to give you insight on this?

3. Why did you all choose to go to Pritzker? Did you have a hard time choosing schools?

4. What factors do you think applicants should consider when choosing medical schools? What is important/not important?

5. How is the food up there? Is there like a meal plan?

6. I like to ask students where I interviewed at what they do not like about the school, and if possible, what recommendation would they make for improvement. Whether it be to the curriculum, labs, clinic exposure, etc.

7. When should you start trying to find an apartment and what are important factors for finding a place to live?

8. What are the things that you worried about as a pre-med, that looking back now, you realize that it really was not worth worrying about?

9. I know Pritzker is about as prestigious as it gets, but do you ever wonder/worry that you would've been better off going to a more prestigious school like a Harvard or Hopkins?

10. Piggybacking on question 1, if you aren't getting financial help from anyone or anything but loans, how did you manage the summer months that loans don't cover?

11. I realize pre-clinical grades don't matter too much, but how do residency programs rank students from different schools if one school, for example, uses a P/F grading system and another school uses the A/B/C/D system?

12. Is it possible to get a girl med student in there maybe? Should be interesting getting a female perspective.

13. Also, what are the things that you worried about as a pre-med, that looking back now, you realize that it really was not worth worrying about?

14. Since most of you are M2's how are you planning on tackling boards coming up?

15. How does MS4 work, exactly? Do you get time off from rotations to interview for residency?

15. How big of a role has technology played in your medical education? Has it helped you out to a large extent, thus far?

16. Are you personally invested in the local community of your medical school?

17. Do you usually study out of the textbook? Or do you also need to study the lectures? Or do you also have supplementary books to study with?

18. Can you relate the significance of research, service/leadership activities, preclinical/clinical grades, Step 1 score, and LORs when aiming for top primary care residencies (ex. CHOP, Boston and Baylor for peds) versus top (or not top) specialty care (cardio, ortho, etc.) ones ?

19. What are some tools you find helpful in medical school (e.g., wristwatch, smartphone, tablet, etc.)?

20. Did any of you waver between becoming a physician versus another career before diving into it (PA/NP or non-healthcare fields)?

21. As a 1st year, do you have to actively go out there to look for opportunities w/ research + service? Or do schools generally encourage/push you towards exploring different avenues.
 
seeing as this is unlikely to happen anytime soon and i have some time on my hands i will answer some of these questions. my perspective on some of these issues has changed as i've gone through 4 years of med school and may not mesh with the SDN conventional "wisdom"

4. What factors do you think applicants should consider when choosing medical schools? What is important/not important?

A lot of things that pre-meds look at during interview day don't matter at all such as prettiness of the anatomy lab, facilities, etc. Here are some things that do matter:

- reputation. by far the most important thing to consider when picking a school. the better the school's reputation the more doors will be opened to you. it's indisputable. saying things like "well i'll be at the top of my class" or "i'll be the first person at the school to match into X specialty or at Y program" is naive fantasy.you should be more concerned about how the average student at that school does, the opportunities available to them, and how hard they had to work for those opportunities relative to others.

- location. self-explanatory and differs for everyone.

- mandatory lectures. even though i was one to voluntarily go to many/most pre-clinical lectures they aren't useful for everyone and even if you find them useful you might not find a certain professor or a certain class particularly stimulating. more choice is always better than less! That being said there will/should be SOME mandatory classes and that's ok.

- time off for step 1 studying. i think ~6 weeks is probably the sweet spot

- responsiveness of the administration to student concerns. have there been any changes recently? what are some outstanding gripes and how is the admin dealing with it? here you might have to wade through some BS responses and determine what matters, what doesnt and whether you're getting the whole story

- strength of clinical rotations. does the school have it's own university hospital? what kinds of patients does it attract and what are the surrounding competing hospitals? will you likely be forced to go from hospital to hospital for rotations? are the rotations structured or do they just send you out there and leave you on your own?

9. I know Pritzker is about as prestigious as it gets, but do you ever wonder/worry that you would've been better off going to a more prestigious school like a Harvard or Hopkins?

these Pritzker guys will be fine. the difference between #1 and #10 with regards to prestige and opportunities is splitting hairs.

11. I realize pre-clinical grades don't matter too much, but how do residency programs rank students from different schools if one school, for example, uses a P/F grading system and another school uses the A/B/C/D system?

first of all "pre-clinical grades don't matter" is an SDN myth. they matter insomuch that they determine your class rank and whether you are AOA ...the former can make or break a residency app. it's true that no one will pore over your pre-clinical grades but they are factored in (pretty heavily sometimes) in your class rank which is the most important thing in your dean's letter.

as for different grading systems ...P/F is nice psychologically but can make you complacent which may in turn hurt you on step 1. most schools rank which defeats the purpose of P/F. if a school truly doesn't rank then it puts more pressure on you to do well during third year when grading is more subjective and the learning curve for how to be a successful third year might be steep.

15. How does MS4 work, exactly? Do you get time off from rotations to interview for residency?

schools differ pretty significantly in this regard but in general US MD schools will be quite lenient in letting you go to interviews and will give you sufficient time off to do so or will let you take time off during a rotation. I even heard on the interview trail people doing an "online" rotation that frees them up to travel around for interviews.

15. How big of a role has technology played in your medical education? Has it helped you out to a large extent, thus far?

simply put i have no clue how people did this before computers/the internet/Uptodate. the easy availability of information helps tremendously especially during third and fourth year when you have to get information and come up with answers on the fly.

16. Are you personally invested in the local community of your medical school?

no. a bit of a weird question. maybe i'm misinterpreting?

18. Can you relate the significance of research, service/leadership activities, preclinical/clinical grades, Step 1 score, and LORs when aiming for top primary care residencies (ex. CHOP, Boston and Baylor for peds) versus top (or not top) specialty care (cardio, ortho, etc.) ones ?

everyone will tell you that step 1 score and clinical grades/comments are the most important things ever. they're not wrong, those are very important. the problem is that people don't appreciate how important other aspects are. for instance for IM class rank and AOA would be the next most important things followed by step 2 CK, LORs, then ECs. it doesn't seem like ECs will make up for a deficiency in academic abilities whether it is research/service/etc.

this list will differ for various specialties and i'm not going to pretend to know what it is for peds, ortho, gen surg, etc.

while we're on this topic though i think one thing that is lost on many SDNers is how difficult it is to match at top programs in "noncompetitive" specialties. for instance matching at a top IM program (hopkins/mgh/columbia/etc) is probably as difficult as (or more difficult than) matching into derm.

PS "cardio" is a fellowship of IM, not it's own residency as your post would imply

19. What are some tools you find helpful in medical school (e.g., wristwatch, smartphone, tablet, etc.)?

all you need for the preclinical years is a laptop. for clinical years a smartphone comes in very handy because you are constantly on the move. tablets can be useful for accessing a hospital's EMR on the fly but not necessary by any stretch of the imagination. i'll leave the wristwatch up to personal preference.

21. As a 1st year, do you have to actively go out there to look for opportunities w/ research + service? Or do schools generally encourage/push you towards exploring different avenues.

as a general rule of life you should never expect something to just fall into your lap.
 
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Great post and valuable insight. Thank you!
 
hi thanks for your participation

16. Are you personally invested in the local community of your medical school?
no. a bit of a weird question. maybe i'm misinterpreting?

I am interested in community health and working on projects that improve community health in communities with less health, I know most medical students can (or have to) work at free clinics and stuff like that, but what about creating new ones to address unsolved disparities? Do you feel attached to your medical school's community, would you stay there after you graduate, or work there in the future? How irrelevant are these questions? 😀
 
I am interested in community health and working on projects that improve community health in communities with less health, I know most medical students can (or have to) work at free clinics and stuff like that, but what about creating new ones to address unsolved disparities?

creating something like that sounds particularly ambitious and likely won't be feasible. it's always in your best interest to take part in something that's already set up, become part of the leadership and try to incrementally change it.

Do you feel attached to your medical school's community, would you stay there after you graduate, or work there in the future?


the answer in my case is still no on all accounts.
 
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