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whew, got one from u maryland last friday. 😉 It should be pretty funny to interview at your home school, going on tours and meeting the interns are residents. I still plan on going to the pre-interview dinner for the free dinner even though I don't really have any questions I need to ask the residents that I haven't already asked.
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I got Stony Brook today.
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I just got jefferson and U Rochester. I don't know anything about jefferson, I think that someone once told me that they have a nice hospital or are in a nice area. I didn't even remember that I applied there until I got the interview invite today.
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Just got one from George Washington by snail mail. All of my other interview invites have been by e-mail.
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I got a 230 on step 1. All of my interview invites are posted in this thread (even I have difficulty keeping track of them). Incidentally, I don't think tha board scores don't matter as much as the school that you go to for many IM programs. I have a friend with lower board scores (below avg) but he goes to a top 5 med school, so he has gotten a lot of interviews from top schools that I haven't heard from. This was before they've seen our grades too.
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I second the above. That's sort of what my PD is telling us. I do have the priviledge of attending a high-ranking school and my PD and IM clerkship director told us that it's a pretty big advantage rolling out of a strong school, even if one is an average applicant, everything being equal, will get preferentially selected. The reason being most high-ranked med schools have strong IM department, and applicants from there usually get letters from bigger named people that are better-known in the residency circles. And the name factor is pretty important. I used to not trust the med school rankings much, but looking at what my friends at my institution and friends from other institutions are going through applying for residency right now, I started seeing how med school reputation can be an important factor in the heat of the competition.
But for us late-matchers, I would suspect, though, that many if not most high-end places (at least most places I am applying to) wont notify until dean's letter, regardless of med school. Unless, of course, you are AOA with 250+ boards and a "can't miss" tag on your forehead, I would be patient until Nov.
that sucks. only because everyone argued that staying in your state school and saving money is more important than looking at usnews in deciding which med school. hearing that and that personal performance is more important than school name, i went with the state school over lots of big name schools. are you now telling me what i've heard throughout my medical admissions process is all wrong, and that the pitfall of my career was choosing my state school???
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I certainly don't think that you made a mistake. Even if you don't end up at mass general for internal medicine, if your goal is to be a cardiologist, you will end up being a cardiologist irrespective of if you do med school and residency at a state school. Once you enter private practice, names don't really matter. If you enter academics after your training, names do matter, but even then, it's not going to prevent you from doing whatever you want to do. At my school (a state school), all IM residents who applied to GI and cards got into a fellowship. If your goal is to be something like a dermatologist, going to a top name school isn't going to guarentee you anything either because if you are part of the bottom 50% of the class, you still probably won't match. I read on this website that no one from Hopkins matched derm last year while we over at Maryland had one or two, so even though a big name will certainly help you get your foot in the door, it's not a deciding factor in your career.
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Well, it's money vs name. We've been playing that game all along. The difference is $100+ g, not exactly an amount to sneeze at. Keep in mind that if your goal is to be a board-certified, good compassionate internist or a cardiologist or a nephrologist, you can do it regardless of school, or for the most part, residency, for that matter. (as long as it has a solid name, ACGME accrediation, in university-based teaching hospital.) But the snobbish factor do kick in at the high end places. This is just a reality that we all know all along - true for private elite prep high schoolers applying to top colleges, true for ivy leaguers applying to med schools, and now, true for high-ranked med school grads applying to snobbish residency spots.
With that said, I am not disagreeing that personal performance do remain the most important factor. ie. this is not to say that if you are AOA who graduate near the top of your class, you wont have a chance at MGH. I am just saying that, according to my observation, the name will give an otherwise unremarkable applicant a boost at the most competitive places.
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State school here also. Does make me nervous. Same undergrad school and did not even get an interview at a couple of Ivy med schools with high MCAT's and 3.9 GPA. Hope they do not pull the snob trick again. Heard from 5 good programs so far. I don't think anyone has heard from any of the top NE schools. November will be the key. Still do not have all Lor's in and that is annoying! Jr. AOA - 267 step 1 - Just took step 2 yesterday. Shooting for the stars, hope to at least land on the moon.
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State school here also. Does make me nervous. Same undergrad school and did not even get an interview at a couple of Ivy med schools with high MCAT's and 3.9 GPA. Hope they do not pull the snob trick again. Heard from 5 good programs so far. I don't think anyone has heard from any of the top NE schools. November will be the key. I still do not have all my Lor's in and that is annoying! Jr. AOA - 267 step 1 - Just took step 2 yesterday. Shooting for the stars, hope to at least land on the moon.
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I got UConn today.
Why take Step 2 with that tremendous Step 1 score?
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my guess is that he is witholding step2 scores from programs. if he is ready to take it then he is ready to take it. a good step2 will only be icing on the cake come rank time
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A couple of the programs that I am applying to require step 2. Also our PR director strongly urges all students to have it done by October 31st so they can "enjoy" their senior year. I will not send out the scores to anyone that does not need them until I see what they are. It is risky. If they turn out okay - it will be a benefit to prove the 267 was not a fluke. Shelf exams worked out real well as a whole, so I am confident that the step 2 will be okay. Does not have to be another 267, just not a 230. I'm hoping that most of the other high board scores are going for derm or something and that I will be given a good look by a competitive program. I just dread this whole process. Even scheduling the interviews and flights is such a pain in the butt!
Are you sure I'm a "he"? Funny assumption in this time and place.
Are you sure I'm a "he"? Funny assumption in this time and place.
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dood, i refer to a man or woman as he if sex is unknown.
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hoptoad -
You have numbers and grade that 99% of us on this board would kill for. Regardless of where you are at school, if you are from US allopathic program with your stats and decent LORs you'll do extremely well in the match. Relax.
ej
You have numbers and grade that 99% of us on this board would kill for. Regardless of where you are at school, if you are from US allopathic program with your stats and decent LORs you'll do extremely well in the match. Relax.
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Just got USC interview today.
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just wanted to give my 2 cents on the state school debate...i don't think that school or site will determine your income. i goto school to small town and the graduates are not from the most grand of places...yet they do really well because of the locale....number of docs, population size, etc....
i think going to ivies, will help with one thing mainly....academic appointments....
but renovar is right getting spots at top places will be helped by if you goto a top med school....and fellowship spots will be probably be determined by the quality of the IM program you go to...
A GI docs from podunk fellowship is still a GI doc and he will make the bank...irregardless, but he may be hurt if he goes for an academic position...at the top places especially...
i think going to ivies, will help with one thing mainly....academic appointments....
but renovar is right getting spots at top places will be helped by if you goto a top med school....and fellowship spots will be probably be determined by the quality of the IM program you go to...
A GI docs from podunk fellowship is still a GI doc and he will make the bank...irregardless, but he may be hurt if he goes for an academic position...at the top places especially...
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just out of curiosity, which programs require step 2? I still haven't taken step 2 yet, and don't plan to until late-November. I've glossed over USMLE requirements, thinking that step 1 is enough for now. then again, I've noticed reading on some websites that they require USMLE scoreS, probably meaning both step 1 and 2. ugh...any of the better programs in nyc such as columbia or cornell? How about MGH, BWH, UCSF, and Stanford?
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My research indicates that U Penn and Cornell require step 2. Also Brigham indicates that they do, but in another section it says that it's before start. (I'm sure that is true of all). I'd like to be wrong on this, so enlighten me if you have other information. Whoever told me to relax I'd like to add that just having good numbers is not the end all be all. I do not have major connections. Gramp did not donate a wing or anything. I feel I will match well, but match where I want? We'll see. Many things in life causes a person to be humble and just having a certain score on a test does not negate that.
Hop, you are super intense.
UPenn does indicate this but I believe you have Cornell confused with Columbia, per Cornell & Columbia website....
http://www.nycornell.org/dept/medicine/residency/instructions.html
http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/medicine/residency/apply.html
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UPenn does indicate this but I believe you have Cornell confused with Columbia, per Cornell & Columbia website....
http://www.nycornell.org/dept/medicine/residency/instructions.html
http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/medicine/residency/apply.html
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hop toad, i believe not getting med school interviews at ivys means nothing. i have never seen an admissions process as random as medical school. the fact that you got jipped of that is based on luck, and i agree, i hope the same randomness doesnt occur for residency.
i know for a fact residency name matters for fellowships, because of letter of recommendations and references to big name people when you apply to fellowship matters. that is why going to big name residency matters for fellowship. that's what i was told. however, i was told med school name plays little for residency placement. i am shocked to hear the things you guys tell me. i would've happily paid 100k more to go to a big name med school if it would've helped me get a big name residency, such that i'd have a better shot at competitive subspeciality. i am saddened that i was lied to during my med school admissions process.
about the academic appointments, i dont totally agree on that. it seems like chancellors/deans/directors are appointed based on whether they won a nobel prize and such, not which school they went to. that's just my observation.
i know for a fact residency name matters for fellowships, because of letter of recommendations and references to big name people when you apply to fellowship matters. that is why going to big name residency matters for fellowship. that's what i was told. however, i was told med school name plays little for residency placement. i am shocked to hear the things you guys tell me. i would've happily paid 100k more to go to a big name med school if it would've helped me get a big name residency, such that i'd have a better shot at competitive subspeciality. i am saddened that i was lied to during my med school admissions process.
about the academic appointments, i dont totally agree on that. it seems like chancellors/deans/directors are appointed based on whether they won a nobel prize and such, not which school they went to. that's just my observation.
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The discussion about med school is a pointless discussion at this point. Obviously that is not something anyone can change at this minute. I wish everyone good luck in making good use of whatever opportunity they have on their hands, not questioning themselves on what hands they could have had should they do XYZ.
About academic appointment, most of people in high academic posts usually have a combination of reputation in academia, reputation among collegues (ie good interpersonal), and ability to attract departmental funding - and not necessarily solely on pure achievement in academia. Those people usually are wrought with connections, often times made when the are in school or in training, which a lot of times happen in big name places.
THis is not to say that everyone who come from big name schools or programs are guaranteed to go to high places, but many of those select few that occupy high posts do indeed have gold-plated credentials.
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Vitamin - thank you for your response. I did not pick up the Columbia Step 2 requirement. I still interpret Cornell as wanting the Step 2 score if you have it. I think if you have a report by the time they interview you that you will be obligated to share your score with them.
As for "intense" there are days that is true. But there are others that I'd be accused of being a little too mellow. Depends on the focus of the moment. Don't put too much interpretation into a little blurb on a web site. We've all worked extremely hard to get to this point in our journey. No point pretending it does not matter where we end up.
As for "intense" there are days that is true. But there are others that I'd be accused of being a little too mellow. Depends on the focus of the moment. Don't put too much interpretation into a little blurb on a web site. We've all worked extremely hard to get to this point in our journey. No point pretending it does not matter where we end up.
I seriously doubt that Columbia requires Step 2. I am 4th year at Einstein and for our class of 2003, 6 people matched at Columbia IM program. I may be wrong but most of the Einstein students, including me, do not take step 2 until January or so. Having said that it is very unlikely that all 6 of them took step 2.
Nevertheless, I e-mailed my friend at Columbia asking him this specific question.
Nevertheless, I e-mailed my friend at Columbia asking him this specific question.
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I agree with the above poster. From observing the class of 2003 from my school, none of those programs above requires step 2 to interview, at least.
Last year my school have someone took step 2 in Jan, but interviewed at Penn in Dec (and matched there). And I personally know of 2 people interviewed at Cornell late November but took step 2 in Feb. One of them also interviewed at Columbia in Dec. One of our last year's grad who is an intern at MGH now, after hearing my stats and application plans, even advised me to specificially not to dick around with taking the USMLE until later in the cycle.
And my advisor told me that because of my step 1, I can feel free hold off on step 2 for now until after Feb. He felt that it is probably not going to matter that much even if I take it early and do as well or better than my step 1. He said it's one of those things that they will look at it if you have it, but it's ok if you dont. So far, I have not have any convincing evidence that any program will decline to consider applicants without step 2.
The funny confusing thing about this thread is: Hop Toad has no personal icon, I dont know what the heck a renovar is (i know rent-a-van), and Renovar has a toad as a icon. I always get these two guys mixed up. You guys should schedule the cleveland clinic interview together.
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ckent, i was told by my PD that a 230 is competitive for top IM univ programs. i'm sure you'll be fine. i'm curious though, what ballpark percentile is 230 considered?
hoptoad, dont forget about the little people like me and hook me up for IM residency when i apply and you are the chief resident at mass gen.
hoptoad, dont forget about the little people like me and hook me up for IM residency when i apply and you are the chief resident at mass gen.
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Profunda........ from your mouth to God's ears.........
No one has gone to Mass Gen from my school for longer than anyone can remember. It would be really out there.
What kind of numbers apply to IM in general? 35% of the 4th year population? Just guessing.
Also - I think I might not do the Cleveland Clinic interview in hopes of more big university programs coming through. I wish I has a crystal ball!
No one has gone to Mass Gen from my school for longer than anyone can remember. It would be really out there.
What kind of numbers apply to IM in general? 35% of the 4th year population? Just guessing.
Also - I think I might not do the Cleveland Clinic interview in hopes of more big university programs coming through. I wish I has a crystal ball!
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Funny how you and I are thinking the same thing... 🙂 I have the CCF interview scheduled in late November. Right now I am pegging it as my first, low-cost practice interview (flight = $100, and they subsidize your hotel for 1 night). Holding out on the plane tix as I am also hoping to cancel it if more ****z come my way.
Food for thought: My school has about 20% IM applicants this year which is probably steady. Would have been more if not for the popular emergence of life-style specialties like rads or EM or derm. However, I think the quality of applicants in this group is still outstanding. (Quite a few AOA's, dont really see too many people who are horrible.)
Dude, I still dont buy into the school name business. 267 and AOA should get anyone pretty far in IM even if you attended the smallest name school. The fact that no one went there from your school might mean either no one with that score applied to IM, or no one wanted to go to mass gen.
I'm sorry guys but I'm still in disbelief about the school name. It should play a role, but how can it stop a 267 AOA from going places in IM?
I'm sorry guys but I'm still in disbelief about the school name. It should play a role, but how can it stop a 267 AOA from going places in IM?
getting back on track, i've also heard from Emory (email/ERAS).
i didn't know some programs require step 2 scores. i won't be taking mine till november/december.
i agree, not everyone posting has the AOA status or the numbers like hop toad, so i'm looking at programs that look beyond such nominal qualities and look at what has been accomplished over the 3.5 years of medical school (research, independent study, volunteer efforts, literary works) to help bolster my candidacy for IM programs.
during my interview, i hope to promote those things i can bring to the plate because i don't have the numbers, either.
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i didn't know some programs require step 2 scores. i won't be taking mine till november/december.
i agree, not everyone posting has the AOA status or the numbers like hop toad, so i'm looking at programs that look beyond such nominal qualities and look at what has been accomplished over the 3.5 years of medical school (research, independent study, volunteer efforts, literary works) to help bolster my candidacy for IM programs.
during my interview, i hope to promote those things i can bring to the plate because i don't have the numbers, either.
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I've heard from Georgetown, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein. I'm starting to get nervous about scheduling too many interviews now. I should have 1 week in Dec when I drive up north and go from interview to interview M-F if my dates get confirmed.
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