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A) What is the Cost of Attendance for International Students?
B) Should an American do it? My other best shot is a DO program, because my gpa is pretty low at 3.0.
C) I kind of want to see Australia, and this will give me that opportunity.
D) I'll get a different perspective on medicine.
E) Its one of the best universities in Australia, as opposed to going to a mediocre to low-end university in America.
F) If I decide to practice there afterwards, itll be so much better than here. I hear as a doctor you only work 50 hour weeks during your residency, and get paid for any overtime you put.
G) Not sure how I feel about this PBL curriculum, sounds pretty bogus to me.
I sent an e-mail to their director -- this was his response.
I am attaching a brochure which is a little more specific to international students than the website
The following comments relate to US students returning home after graduation. In fact, the majority of our international students are Canadian and about half of them go back to Canada and half stay here. These days we have just 2 or 3 US students per year (although more 10 years back) and probably the majority of them go back to the US for Residencies. For this they need to sit the US Medical Licensing Exams (USMLEs) Step 1 (Biomedical science), Step 2 CK (a multiple choice clinical knowledge exam) and Step 2 CS which is an in-person clinical skills exam. In general Flinders students do well on these exams with mean results above the means from first attempt scores of US and Canadian students. Our US students typically go into the Match run by the ECFMG and in general have found Residencies in places they were happy with and in disciplines they wanted Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, Radiology, Pathology, Obs and Gyn, Family Medicine, Orthopedic Surgery etc. Obviously it will be slightly tougher with a degree from outside North America but so far students who have done OK in our course have done well with Residencies.
Typically, North Americans use their 12 weeks of electives in Year 4 to do rotations in the US (or Canada) so as to have references from the US when applying in the Match. In some cases they complete 18 weeks of final year rotations in the US (allowed as long as you are not borderline in Year 3).
On the issue of options for US students staying in Australia after graduation, there is some comment on our website http://www.flinders.edu.au/gemp/new (click on After Graduation and then International Applicants in the left hand menus)
On the subject of staying in Australia, the website gives pretty much the best current summary. In recent years, all international graduates from Flinders who have wanted to stay for internships have been able to find them in Adelaide, including all our 2009 graduates. However the question is how increasing numbers of Australian graduates this year and over the following two years will change this (The federal government increased medical school places for Australian students by about 50% and the extra graduates start to flow through from this December). The good news is that internship allocations for 2011 have recently been released and our international final year students seem to be getting Intern offers where they have sought them. In fact one Canadian I talked to yesterday has been offered places in both Adelaide and Alice Springs (in the Northern Territory). This is encouraging in that the initial wave of extra graduates from Flinders and interstate 4 year graduate entry courses arrives in December but it seems there is still a reasonable supply of intern places left for International students In SA and NT. There is still a question about places when extra graduates from the Univ of Adelaide (6 year course) are competing for places in 2013.
At this point SA (and Northern Territory, where Flinders has a couple of Clinical Schools) look a lot better than the eastern states but we cant yet say with confidence that this will apply by the time your potential cohort graduates in 2014. We ARE hopeful.
After internship. You would have to seek Permanent Resident status to go onto to specialist training. Up to now US students have been able to train in their desired area although again the future is less clear.
B) Should an American do it? My other best shot is a DO program, because my gpa is pretty low at 3.0.
C) I kind of want to see Australia, and this will give me that opportunity.
D) I'll get a different perspective on medicine.
E) Its one of the best universities in Australia, as opposed to going to a mediocre to low-end university in America.
F) If I decide to practice there afterwards, itll be so much better than here. I hear as a doctor you only work 50 hour weeks during your residency, and get paid for any overtime you put.
G) Not sure how I feel about this PBL curriculum, sounds pretty bogus to me.
I sent an e-mail to their director -- this was his response.
I am attaching a brochure which is a little more specific to international students than the website
The following comments relate to US students returning home after graduation. In fact, the majority of our international students are Canadian and about half of them go back to Canada and half stay here. These days we have just 2 or 3 US students per year (although more 10 years back) and probably the majority of them go back to the US for Residencies. For this they need to sit the US Medical Licensing Exams (USMLEs) Step 1 (Biomedical science), Step 2 CK (a multiple choice clinical knowledge exam) and Step 2 CS which is an in-person clinical skills exam. In general Flinders students do well on these exams with mean results above the means from first attempt scores of US and Canadian students. Our US students typically go into the Match run by the ECFMG and in general have found Residencies in places they were happy with and in disciplines they wanted Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, Radiology, Pathology, Obs and Gyn, Family Medicine, Orthopedic Surgery etc. Obviously it will be slightly tougher with a degree from outside North America but so far students who have done OK in our course have done well with Residencies.
Typically, North Americans use their 12 weeks of electives in Year 4 to do rotations in the US (or Canada) so as to have references from the US when applying in the Match. In some cases they complete 18 weeks of final year rotations in the US (allowed as long as you are not borderline in Year 3).
On the issue of options for US students staying in Australia after graduation, there is some comment on our website http://www.flinders.edu.au/gemp/new (click on After Graduation and then International Applicants in the left hand menus)
On the subject of staying in Australia, the website gives pretty much the best current summary. In recent years, all international graduates from Flinders who have wanted to stay for internships have been able to find them in Adelaide, including all our 2009 graduates. However the question is how increasing numbers of Australian graduates this year and over the following two years will change this (The federal government increased medical school places for Australian students by about 50% and the extra graduates start to flow through from this December). The good news is that internship allocations for 2011 have recently been released and our international final year students seem to be getting Intern offers where they have sought them. In fact one Canadian I talked to yesterday has been offered places in both Adelaide and Alice Springs (in the Northern Territory). This is encouraging in that the initial wave of extra graduates from Flinders and interstate 4 year graduate entry courses arrives in December but it seems there is still a reasonable supply of intern places left for International students In SA and NT. There is still a question about places when extra graduates from the Univ of Adelaide (6 year course) are competing for places in 2013.
At this point SA (and Northern Territory, where Flinders has a couple of Clinical Schools) look a lot better than the eastern states but we cant yet say with confidence that this will apply by the time your potential cohort graduates in 2014. We ARE hopeful.
After internship. You would have to seek Permanent Resident status to go onto to specialist training. Up to now US students have been able to train in their desired area although again the future is less clear.